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Pan Am In SYD, Late 60s And Early 70s  
User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 665 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3901 times:

During the late 1960s and early 1970s, when Pan Am had by far the worlds largest route networks, I am almost positive they operated flights out of Sydney that were not just transpacific SYD-NAN-HNL-LAX. They definitely flew SYD-DPS in 1974, but I'm not sure when that flight began.

Could anyone please provide the routes Pan Am flew out of Australia at this time, preferably operated by 707s. If arrival and departure times are available, that would be great too.

[Edited 2009-12-15 19:53:23]

[Edited 2009-12-15 19:54:17]

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User currently offlineSimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 911 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Jackbr, please PM me your email address and I will scan my timetables if someone else does not post.

PA811 was at one point JFK-LAX-HNL-NAN-SYD-MEL.
Other routes: SYD-HKG, SYD-DPS-HKG, SYD-JKT-HKG


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3851 times:
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In a recent thread

US Airlines To Indonesia: Past, Present And Future (by 777law Oct 20 2009 in Civil Aviation)


courtesy of TN486


I have a PAA timetable dated Apr/May 69 showing inbound from SIN to JKT Flt 841 arriving Mon 1420 dep Flt 842 outbound to SIN Tue 0700 (back the way it came). Flt 811 Inbound from SYD arriving JKT Fri 1415 and dep for HKG 1500. Flt 812 inbound from HKG arriving JKT Sat 2215 and dep for SYD 2300.

PAA timetable Dec 20 1975 shows Flt 811 SYD/JKT/HKG Tu,Thu,Sun and vice versa 812 Mon, Wed, Fri. It also shows Flt 811 SYD/DPS/HKG Sat and vice versa on Sun. SIN/JKT service seems to have been discontinued, at least over Dec75/Jan 76.


Hope this helps  Smile



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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

Not precisely what you are after I suspect, but this page may give you some insight: http://www.airchive.com/html/timetable-and-route-maps/3/pan-am/213/2

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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3667 times:
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Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 3):
Not precisely what you are after I suspect, but this page may give you some insight: http://www.airchive.com/html/timetab...213/2

 thumbsup  Thanks for the link , I have the feeling that I will be spending the next couple of days exploring this site .



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User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3667 times:



Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 3):

Thankyou very much for that, I had been on that site numerous times but not that page

The map seems to show Pan Am having quite a network in Australia with flights to Hong Kong, Jakarta, trans tasman to Auckland, Noumea and what looks to be Bangkok - a larger network than I suspected

Any idea if these were all 707-321B/Cs or turbojet -321s?


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5619 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3567 times:



Quoting Jackbr (Reply 5):
what looks to be Bangkok - a larger network than I suspected

I did remember them serving BKK, but had nothing to back it up. I also remember an advertising campaign for flights to/from Europe connecting in BKK with PA1 & PA2.

Quoting Jackbr (Reply 5):
Any idea if these were all 707-321B/Cs or turbojet -321s?

Are you sure about this? I have never heard of ANY turbojet B707-320s, did they really exist? were there many of them and were some converted to tourbofan as the 120s were?

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User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3505 times:

I'm not positive, but I believe the original 707-321's were fitted with turbojet engines, and retained the engines through out their service life

User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5619 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3471 times:



Quoting Jackbr (Reply 7):
I'm not positive, but I believe the original 707-321's were fitted with turbojet engines,

Well you are right according to Wikki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_707#Design

Quote
The 707-320 Intercontinental is a stretched version of the turbojet-powered original model, powered by JT4A-3 turbojets producing 15,800 lbst each. The interior allowed for up to 189 passengers due to a 100-inch (2,500 mm) stretch, while a longer wing carried more fuel, increasing range by 1,600 miles (2,600 km) and allowing the aircraft to operate as true transoceanic aircraft. The wing modifications included outboard and inboard inserts, as well as a kink in the trailing edge to add area inboard.[9] Takeoff weight was increased to 316,000 lb (143,000 kg). First flight was on January 11, 1958, and 69 turbojet 707-320s were produced.
/Quote

I never knew that!

Gemuser



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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined exactly 6 years ago today! , 916 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3316 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 2):
In a recent thread

US Airlines To Indonesia: Past, Present And Future (by 777law Oct 20 2009 in Civil Aviation)


courtesy of TN486

Kiwiandrew, thank you for that, I couldnt remember the name of the thread (age catching up with me).

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 3):
Not precisely what you are after I suspect, but this page may give you some insight: http://www.airchive.com/html/timetab...213/2

Thanks mate, another one for my favourites, can spend some enjoyable hours with this.

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 8):
I never knew that!

LOL, tickled my warped sense of humour, I didnt know either, just shows I learn something new each day  Smile



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24858 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3019 times:



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 6):
Quoting Jackbr (Reply 5):
Any idea if these were all 707-321B/Cs or turbojet -321s?

Are you sure about this? I have never heard of ANY turbojet B707-320s, did they really exist? were there many of them and were some converted to tourbofan as the 120s were?

Boeing delivered 69 turbojet ( P&W JT4A) 707-320s to Pan Am (26), Air France (21), TWA (12), Sabena (7), and South African Airways (3). All except 8 were built in 1959 and 1960, and the last one was delivered in 1963. Except for the engines, they were basically identical to the 37 Rolls-Royce Conway-powered 707-420s built duirng the same period. The Conway was the first commercial turbofan although the bypass ratio was very low.

I don't think any -320s (or -420s) were re-engined.


User currently offlineJackbr From Australia, joined Dec 2009, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

I'm not sure if the Pan Am 707-321's operated paralel to the B/C series, or if they were confined to certain routes

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