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US Drops Three Routes From PHX.  
User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4056 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7724 times:
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US has announced the elimination of three routes from PHX.
Effective 3 January 2010: COS
Effective 10 February 2010: RDU & IAD
Link : http://airlineroute.net/2009/12/16/us-phx-cxlroutes/

I'm not surprised about RDU and IAD. UA can adequately serve PHX-IAD while US's PHX-DCA I'm sure does well on it's own and IAD was extra service. I was surprised about COS. I thought there was enough of a market from PHX and traffic from hub connections.

Any thoughts? Any other routes that might get the axe in the near future from PHX? Any additions?

[Edited 2009-12-16 04:57:01]

[Edited 2009-12-16 04:58:51]

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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7697 times:

I wonder if US ever plans to actually increase domestic flying from PHX? Since the HP merger it seems like it has been, by and large, nothing but route cuts. I suppose they are getting it handed to them by WN.

User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1429 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7613 times:

Isn't PHX the only US flight from COS? Does that mean US is out of COS? That is a shame, I use to fly their HP routes a lot


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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6361 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7510 times:



Quoting Venezuela747 (Reply 2):
Isn't PHX the only US flight from COS? Does that mean US is out of COS? That is a shame, I use to fly their HP routes a lot

Yes, I do believe that PHX is their only route from COS. Star Alliance FF's still have UA to DEN, ORD, SFO and, I think, LAX, but apparently no more US Airways.


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7470 times:

This is on the heels of dropping ICT, too.

User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7385 times:



Quoting SW733 (Reply 3):
Star Alliance FF's still have UA to DEN, ORD, SFO and, I think, LAX, but apparently no more US Airways.

don't forget CO to IAH
CO is now Star Alliance


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6361 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7213 times:



Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 5):

don't forget CO to IAH
CO is now Star Alliance

Ah yes, thank you, forgot they fly to COS


User currently offlineMogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7178 times:

isn't PHX outside the DCA perimeter ? Or is it some grandfathered route like DEN ?

Quoting LACA773 (Thread starter):
while US's PHX-DCA I'm sure does well on it's own



User currently offlineMogandoCI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7166 times:

nevermind, found the answer on wiki  blush 

Quoting MogandoCI (Reply 7):
isn't PHX outside the DCA perimeter ? Or is it some grandfathered route like DEN ?

Quoting LACA773 (Thread starter):
while US's PHX-DCA I'm sure does well on it's own




User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33179 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6589 times:

It is also ending Phoenix-Toronto on 28Feb10.


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User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1727 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6503 times:

Quoting LACA773 (Thread starter):
Effective 3 January 2010: COS

I wonder if the loss of all COS-PHX service might prompt G4 to take an interest COS-AZA a few times per week. It is certainly much shorter than their other routes out of AZA, so may not exactly fit the niche they're working trying to fill there, but could potentially fit into the extra hours of a bird already flying from AZA (if they are underutilized currently).

Edit for Typo.

[Edited 2009-12-16 12:55:19 by steex]

User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5545 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6428 times:

Seems to me that there aren't really that many connecting cities that really benefit from PHX as a US hub. TUS, of course, and the Express cities in AZ, SAN, and probably most of CA, maybe LAS now that they've been eviscerated, some Mexico travelers, and oh, Hawaii.

For example, it will be a shame to lose the SAN-COS options but, as with most of the other places I listed above, there probably just isn't enough connecting traffic to places like The Springs, and if the local traffic from PHX is low, it's time for the ax.

I doubt that these are temporary, economy-driven reductions either; perhaps more the poor economic health of US rather than the U.S. We seem to be starting to see some resurgence of flights from other cx in 2010 while US seems to be continuing to slash and pull...

bb


User currently offlineCrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6370 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
It is also ending Phoenix-Toronto on 28Feb10.

Wow, really? I didn't know that. According to a thread on FT, they are also dropping PHL-YYZ and apparently LAS-YYZ is also ending. That'll leave CLT as US's only destination from YYZ. That's very surprising for one of the biggest cities in the northeast.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6361 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6358 times:



Quoting Steex (Reply 10):

I wonder if the loss of all COS-PHX service might prompt G4 to take an interest COS-AZA a few times per week

I could see it. Sure, it's not far distance wise, but there is a lot of interest in people from Colorado heading to the desert, especially in winter, so I think it could be successful.


User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6806 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6153 times:



Quoting SANFan (Reply 11):
I doubt that these are temporary, economy-driven reductions either; perhaps more the poor economic health of US rather than the U.S.

Actually, I think it's a bit of both; Phoenix was one of the areas hardest hit by the mortgage meltdown. Since a good portion of the local economy was tied to construction/development, things will remain depressed there until the imbalances in the real estate market end up being corrected.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 1):
Since the HP merger it seems like it has been, by and large, nothing but route cuts. I suppose they are getting it handed to them by WN.

Well, of these routes being cut, the only one served non-stop by WN is PHX-RDU. With their plans for a DCA hub, I wouldn't be surprised to see US drop IAD completely (they'll be down to just US Express between CLT and IAD) -- even with the Star Alliance ties to UA. Perhaps PHX-COS has been weakened by lower fares on PHX-DEN.

But it wouldn't surprise me if US's nickel-and-dime policies had cost them loyalty in the PHX market.


User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1070 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5794 times:



Quoting Crosswinds21 (Reply 12):
According to a thread on FT, they are also dropping PHL-YYZ and apparently LAS-YYZ is also ending. That'll leave CLT as US's only destination from YYZ. That's very surprising for one of the biggest cities in the northeast.

PHL-YYZ? Wow. Are they turning all that flying over to AC?


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5842 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5658 times:

Quoting Steex (Reply 10):
I wonder if the loss of all COS-PHX service might prompt G4 to take an interest COS-AZA a few times per week. It is certainly much shorter than their other routes out of AZA, so may not exactly fit the niche they're working trying to fill there, but could potentially fit into the extra hours of a bird already flying from AZA (if they are underutilized currently).

My first thought too.

G4 jumped on ICT to Phoenix when that ended on US, so I won't be surprised if they announce COS-AZA in the next few weeks. Allegiant currently operates COS-LAS 4X week (jumping to daily at peaks like spring break).

[Edited 2009-12-16 19:44:28]


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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5636 times:

Is the US Airways´curse upon the west again? First it was PSA and now the HP system. Las Vegas is but a shadow and now PHX.

User currently offlineYYZRWY23 From Canada, joined Aug 2009, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5410 times:



Quoting Crosswinds21 (Reply 12):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
It is also ending Phoenix-Toronto on 28Feb10.

Wow, really? I didn't know that. According to a thread on FT, they are also dropping PHL-YYZ and apparently LAS-YYZ is also ending. That'll leave CLT as US's only destination from YYZ. That's very surprising for one of the biggest cities in the northeast.

Understandable I think.YYZ-PHX is surprising as it will only be once daily on an AC 320. IIRC, US already left YYZ-LAS. It is currently served 4x daily, 2x AC and 2x WS. YYZ-PHL is an odd one as well, but it will probably be given to QK as it is the service operated for AC. right now there isn't maineline US (I think) to PHL, only RW and ZW. Capactiy will be down though, as RW used an E175. I ahve flown YYZ-CLT three times, and minimum 85% full each time, so it isn't surprising US is keeping it.

YYZRWY23



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User currently offlinePilotfox From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5307 times:

Anyone know how MKE-PHX is doing? With all these routes being dropped I wonder if MKE will be on the chopping block at some point.

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9690 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5246 times:



Quoting DesertAir (Reply 17):
Is the US Airways´curse upon the west again? First it was PSA and now the HP system. Las Vegas is but a shadow and now PHX.

It is hard to believe that there is a goal of decreasing PHX. USair took over PSA, but in this case it was America West that took over US Airways. The management is all ex America West so I don't think they intend on shrinking that operation.



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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5157 times:

I always understood COS-PHX to be one of the higher demands of air service from COS over the ages, and I doubt much of it was connecting. Even prior to HP, I think you could get direct 1-stops (or 2 stops?) on CO or Frontier to PHX. Very sad to me to see it lost, I used to "commute" it often.

Wouldn't this be an interesting p2p to initiate for F9, perhaps with an E190 or maybe a DH8? Have it continue on to, say ICT or MCI, thereby restoring another lost connection (MCI to COS, or ICT from PHX), and sort of recreating the very first routes ever offered by HP. Not that there needs to be a valiant effort to recreate HP, but I do think there's missed traffic stimulation here. I'll be the broken record again: the way to make a profit at 2ndary cities (legions of them) is to NOT charge a premium fare, but charge a competitive fare and stimulate more traffic. When will they learn?

-Rampart


User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5012 times:

I'm on an MCI-PHX nonstop on US this Sunday. US offers the only nonstop MCI > PHX so they do pretty well with it, full planes (733s/A319s).


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User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1942 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4984 times:

This comment should "rattle some cages"..Personally, I feel if the US/HP hdq. was not in PHX, LAS would have been the surviving hub of the 2 cities. While everyone will scream that LAS is low yield as they always do (without doing their rresearch), there just seems to be more activity at this airport from a passenger standpoint. There must be a reason that HA and DL run far more wide-body flights daily to LAS han they do PHX. There must be a reason that there are far more international carriers serving LAS than PHX. LAS continues to be the WN #1 city and overall, larger aircraft prevail at LAS over PHX. Although LAS has suffered badly in the real estate market, PHX has suffered too. The economic downturn has been hard on LAS, but it has been hard on PHX too. The difference? People will continue to come to LAS because it is Vegas, whether it is a bad economy or not. Cities like PHX that are more business centers will have to rely on a economic recovery, more than LAS will. As bad as things are, you can still get reasonably priced hotel rooms in LAS and have an affordable vacation.

User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2449 posts, RR: 31
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4928 times:



Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 22):
I'm on an MCI-PHX nonstop on US this Sunday. US offers the only nonstop MCI > PHX so they do pretty well with it, full planes (733s/A319s).

No. WN has 2 daily nonstop MCI-PHX flights.



You can't fix stupid.... - Ron White
25 MMEPHX : Unless Phoenix business leaders (legislature are you listening??) can get their heads out of the sand, the Phoenix market will be depressed for a ver
26 ScottB : LAS is low-yield. Yields at PHX are about 5% higher. All that WN service and widebody flying by other carriers makes LAS a more competitive market. U
27 JRDC930 : With vastly superior service, and free baggage allowance im not surprised.
28 LACA773 : Thanks, Mark for the add on. I apreciate it. I saw that sometime ago as well. I think AC can better serve this route than US. Maybe they'll add an ad
29 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : What about WN moving into COS with PHX service now? They seem focused on DEN so i doubt it but this could be a great addition for WN with lots of conn
30 SW733 : Thank god that isn't true...I have to fly MCI to PHX on a monthly basis for work and never have, and never will, fly US on that route...always WN. An
31 Apodino : There is no way this is true. PHL is arguably one of US most important cities and there is no way in heck they would ever drop this route, especially
32 MCIGuy : Thanks, didn't know that. WN never comes up in the search of the cheapest fares so I never fly with them, never have actually. Not that I have anythi
33 Crosswinds21 : You know, maybe you're right. I can't find that info anymore now. Maybe I confused "PHX" with "PHL" - who knows. I was very surprised at this as well
34 Dsuairptman : Another vestiage of the old HP slips away with the closure of COS. This was one of there first destinations. In recent times the route has been servic
35 Rampart : That's proof of why the premium doesn't work. If anything, they should have been lowering prices. That appears to be what F9 does out of COS, even wh
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