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South African Aw Lease 6 New A330-200s  
User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 11961 times:

http://www.air-cosmos.com/site/newsw...170600PR_NEWS_USPR_____NY27640.xml

Lessor AirCastle confirms the lease of 6 new A330-200s to SAA for first delivery in 2011.
SAA had this plan in their cards for some months , now official.

Great looking A330 in sight.Will remind the A330 , SAA leased from BMI.

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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11877 times:
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Thanks for posting , I am glad to hear that this has been firmed up .

I cant wait to see them enter service , just a teaser below from the previous lease to remind everyone how beautiful these aircraft looked in SAs stunning livery


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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11845 times:

Replacements for the A342 (coincidently also six aircraft)?


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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11774 times:

Agreed that they'll look fantastic.

I wonder if this order has any implicatoins for Aircastle's A332F order as they've currentlt got 4 A332 s and 7 A332Fs on order. Suggesting either a conversion or a top up order


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6869 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11762 times:

RR.

Of course...  highfive 


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11674 times:

Anyone having an idea which "asian operator" is mentioned in the press release? Can´t remember that this was mentioned before:

[quote]Three new A330-200F aircraft have been committed for lease to a carrier in Asia, with two deliveries scheduled for the second half of 2010 and one delivery for mid-2011;[/quote}



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8285 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11484 times:
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Great that SAA is getting new A330-200 as A340-200 replacements. Isn't their performance restricted due to J'berg high altitude ?

User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11452 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 6):
Great that SAA is getting new A330-200 as A340-200 replacements. Isn't their performance restricted due to J'berg high altitude ?

Would also be keen to know answer to this although out of CPT should be no issues. Hope we see them on the LHR run



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8871 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11300 times:



Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 5):
Anyone having an idea which "asian operator" is mentioned in the press release?

My guess would be Flyington Freighters of India.



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11229 times:
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Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 6):
Isn't their performance restricted due to J'berg high altitude ?

When they leased some from BD in the past they were able to operate from JNB to MXP ( not sure if they took a penalty on the loads though ) .



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6869 posts, RR: 63
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11191 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 8):
My guess would be Flyington Freighters of India.

Unlikely since they seem not to be taking any of their A330Fs. Didn't get an AOL I understood.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10939 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 10):
AOL

America OnLine?  Big grin

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 6):
Great that SAA is getting new A330-200 as A340-200 replacements.

Is it confirmed that they will replace the a342's? They are certainly much more efficient, but do they have the legs of the a342? And does SAA have ETOPS approval? IIRC the a342's are (also) used to South America, correct? So they would need ETOPS.

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
beautiful these aircraft looked in SAs stunning livery

Agreed!!  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8871 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10827 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 10):
Unlikely since they seem not to be taking any of their A330Fs. Didn't get an AOL I understood.

Okay, didnt realise that, but I should have guessed.



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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8944 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
just a teaser below from the previous lease to remind everyone how beautiful these aircraft looked in SAs stunning livery

To me....It's a very basic livery it's just average...at best....



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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4696 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8668 times:
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Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 5):
Anyone having an idea which "asian operator" is mentioned in the press release? Can´t remember that this was mentioned before:

CI, BR?? they could certainly use something smaller than a 747 on some regional routes and they already operate A330


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8281 times:



Quoting Trex8 (Reply 14):


Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 5):
Anyone having an idea which "asian operator" is mentioned in the press release? Can´t remember that this was mentioned before:

CI, BR?? they could certainly use something smaller than a 747 on some regional routes and they already operate A330

An off the wall idea - KE or SQ Cargo?



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30585 posts, RR: 84
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8261 times:
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Quoting Kappel (Reply 11):
Is it confirmed that they will replace the a342's? They are certainly much more efficient, but do they have the legs of the a342? And does SAA have ETOPS approval? IIRC the a342's are (also) used to South America, correct? So they would need ETOPS.

Would SAA's previous experience on them lease possibly convince the South African aviation authorities to apply for the 240-minute diversion rule?

And would the 238t MTOW model have the legs to cover the longest A340-200 missions?


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8072 times:
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Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 13):
To me....It's a very basic livery it's just average...at best....

To each his own .... BTW , have you had your eyesight tested recently , I am just wondering how bad your colour blindness is  Wink



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8871 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7986 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):
Would SAA's previous experience on them lease possibly convince the South African aviation authorities to apply for the 240-minute diversion rule?

Do not know, it would also come down to if they are presently operating some of their other aircraft ETOPS, prior ETOPS experience does not have to be on type. The lease experience would help justify the time in service and maintenance procedures.

the South African CAA would also need to implement the "beyond 180" ETOPS requirements in their local regulatations.



Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):
And would the 238t MTOW model have the legs to cover the longest A340-200 missions?

I do not think so, out of any normal airport yes, but JNB is brutal for twins.





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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30585 posts, RR: 84
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7955 times:
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Hey, thanks for that second slide, Zeke. I was wondering how the 238t was available on aircraft built after 2004 when it wasn't formally offered until 2010, but the notice that it can be done during the C Check answers that.  thumbsup 

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6869 posts, RR: 63
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7910 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 19):
I was wondering how the 238t was available on aircraft built after 2004 when it wasn't formally offered until 2010, but the notice that it can be done during the C Check answers that.

Is this true for all three engine types? I thought the CF6 was going to struggle to haul 238t.


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8871 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7880 times:



Quoting PM (Reply 20):
Is this true for all three engine types? I thought the CF6 was going to struggle to haul 238t.

I would think so, a lot of the RTOW data I generate for the A330 shows the aircraft capable of 245-255t. The 238t MTOW is not an engine limit IMHO.

Just to be clear, I do not think the 238t would help SA that much (unless they are looking at night departures). I would think the "Hot and High" requirements of JNB restrict TOW to around 200t during the hotter parts of the day.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6869 posts, RR: 63
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7880 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 21):
The 238t MTOW is not an engine limit IMHO.

OK, thanks.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7819 times:
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Quoting Zeke (Reply 18):
the South African CAA would also need to implement the "beyond 180" ETOPS requirements in their local regulatations.

Thanks for putting in the graphic , I found it quite interesting because MK have announced their intention to change the MRU-PER flight from A340 to A330-200 . I wonder whether during the quieter times of year SA would operate JNB-PER with the A330 rather than the larger A340s so that they could maintain frequencies on the route .



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User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7814 times:

A bit off-topic: any idea whether SA will be wet-leasing planes in June 2010 for the WC?

25 PM : The Aircastle press release details 12 A330 orders. Interestingly, two of these have been acquired this year (on 2nd June and 7th December) and are i
26 BoeingVista : Kind of on topic, do we know where Jetstar are leasing the latest 6 A330's from and engine choice?
27 SolarFlyer22 : Why is Aircastle so Rolls Royce leaning on their engines? Self disclosure, I own AYR stock. I didn't even realize the A340 came in a 200 variant. See
28 ThegreatRDU : Color blindness?.......It's a eurowhite livery....by your reasoning...Air France has one of the most elegant liveries in the sky....
29 PM : It's usually up to the airline customer to specify the choice of engine. Avianca certainly selected RR long before Aircastle arrived on the scene. An
30 Kappel : This version was introduced as a long range version of the original a343. This is before the time of the a343X and a343E variants and WAY before the
31 Burkhard : This was the first version of the A340, with main costumors AF and LH. When they came out in 1993, they were the most efficient small long range plan
32 PM : Just 28! One was written off and at least seven of them are now VIP planes.
33 Kappel : Oh wow, I don't know why I remember it being in the 40's.
34 OP3000 : Current commercial operators are AR, MS, RJ, SA, and one owned by Conviasa.
35 BrightCedars : I would talk about a stunning tail only.
36 I380North : On Livery....the SA livery is considered by many (including myself) as timeless. Color for color sake as in WN colors does not make for an outstanding
37 Andz : It's not nice flying on an SA 342 as they have the LH IFE, ie nothing. Ceiling mounted VDUs and very little choice of audio. Especially hard if you ar
38 Trex8 : my take on Lightsabers usually excellent engine discussions was that the GEs will take a big hit in wear and tear when running frequently at highest
39 Dennys : sorry but I really doubt that the A332s could replace all A342s on the SAA longest routes . Refering to MK , as far as I know no A332 is flying E.U .
40 SeaBosDca : A 238 t A332 should have no problem flying everywhere that SAA A342s currently fly. The A330/A340 series have gotten dramatically more capable since
41 Airbazar : But we're talking JNB which is a hot and high airport where on a lot of occasions a quad will out perform even the best twin arround, especially when
42 BlooBirdie : With any luck - and I'm not getting my hopes up - SA may deploy these aircraft mainly out of CPT and the new DUR where altitude won't be a factor.
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