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F9 Announces New Service To FAI  
User currently offlineNZblue From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 638 posts, RR: 3
Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9952 times:

Per the Frontier Airlines homepage, a link now exists titled "Introducing Fairbanks!"

Flight to operate 4x weekly.

DEN-FAI Flight 641 1815-2142
FAI-DEN Flight 642 2240-0553 (+1)

Service to begin May 14, 2010.

NZblue

[Edited 2009-12-17 04:50:10]


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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5197 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9938 times:

NEVER saw that one coming. Should be a winner for them in the summer. Is this a seasonal flight?


Next up, STL-ATL-MSY-ATL-STL
User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9894 times:

WOW! Indeed, I never saw that one coming at all. I wonder if/how AS will react.

It appears the route map has already been updated.
http://www.frontierairlines.com/frontier/flight-info/route-map.do

[Edited 2009-12-17 05:14:51]

User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9743 times:

I just fell over in my chair!


Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlineMUWarriors From United States of America, joined May 2005, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9702 times:



Quoting Airport (Reply 2):
It appears the route map has already been updated.
http://www.frontierairlines.com/frontier/flight-info/route-map.do

I do enjoy how they have the locations of ANC and FAI reversed.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9706 times:

It is posted on the route map. http://www.frontierairlines.com/fron...t/pages/shared/largeFlightMap.html In its current form the route map makes Alaska look like an island.

With that said Fairbanks is north of ANC, not south, as currently shown. The designers might want to change. IMO it brings the NW overflight at MSP and geographically challenged to the forefront.



Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9649 times:

The info has not made it to print in Fairbanks local newspaper or in their URL as of yet http://www.newsminer.com/

They must have fell off their chairs too!



Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9635 times:

Anyone have an idea about projected yields?

User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1313 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9606 times:



Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 7):
Anyone have an idea about projected yields?

Quoting Mariner in another thread it appears the fares are high to FAI, so hopefully F9's yield will be good.

Quote:
Using T'City/Orbitz for a Tuesday in July, non-stop MSP-FAI, Delta wants $1100 - $1053 on their website and I'm getting $700 r/t for Alaska's non-stop SEA-FAI

For DEN-FAI as a one stop, I can't find anything south of $831 (Alaska) or $851 (Frontier).




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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9575 times:



Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 8):
Quoting Mariner in another thread it appears the fares are high to FAI, so hopefully F9's yield will be good.

These might be introductory fares. I saw $169.00 DEN-FAI each way which is a great price.
Here are some more fares FAI" target=_blank>http://www.frontierairlines.com/fron...s/online-deals-details.do?name=FAI



Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9546 times:



Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
Is this a seasonal flight?

As currently publised the flights will be offered Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday through September 12



Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlineKGAIflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4320 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9530 times:
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Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 1):
NEVER saw that one coming. Should be a winner for them in the summer. Is this a seasonal flight?

Ahhh.

In the summer.

I was just thinking, "Why would the 'Ice Road Truckers' be flying down to Denver?"  laughing 


User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9480 times:

The Alaska map they have on the network route map is incomplete. The map only shows the peninsula where Kenai and the cities of Whittier and Seward are, they need to get a complete map of Alaska displayed and properly locate Fairbanks north of Anchorage.


Retorne ao céu...
User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1313 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9452 times:



Quoting DCAYOW (Reply 12):
The Alaska map they have on the network route map is incomplete. The map only shows the peninsula where Kenai and the cities of Whittier and Seward are, they need to get a complete map of Alaska displayed and properly locate Fairbanks north of Anchorage.

So true, and hopefully the error will be corrected quick. As it stands now, the good folks of Texas think they are the largest state again when you look at the island of Alaska on F9's route map.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9381 times:



Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 13):
when you look at the island of Alaska on F9's route map.

The scale and proximity of location shown on the route map makes the island of Alaska look like Queen Charlotte Island off of the north central British Columbia coast or the artist is trying to suggest the glaciers have melted.



Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9274 times:

If F9 publishes their service under the F9 banner they may have separate themselves from the other Frontier currently operating in FAI. "Frontier Flying Service" http://dot.alaska.gov/faiiap/pdfs/flight-schedule.pdf As I recall there was some confusion between the two airlines when F9 inaugurated service to ANC


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User currently offlineChrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2162 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9145 times:



Quoting MUWarriors (Reply 4):
I do enjoy how they have the locations of ANC and FAI reversed.

I hope the guy who made the map isn't the same one who makes the flight plans.  Big grin


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25559 posts, RR: 86
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9145 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 9):
I saw $169.00 DEN-FAI each way which is a great price.

I just posted this in the other thread. Whatever the introductory fares, I checked a couple of dates in July and Travelocity is showing DEN-FAI at just under $600.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 15):
If F9 publishes their service under the F9 banner they may have separate themselves from the other Frontier currently operating in FAI.

It was also my hope that they would do a code share with that other airline. Then we could get the headline - "Frontier code shares with Frontier".  Smile

mariner



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2478 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9055 times:
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Quoting MUWarriors (Reply 4):
I do enjoy how they have the locations of ANC and FAI reversed.

LOL, yeah, they have FAI where Seward is. They'd be better off not showing just the Kenai Peninsula, but it seems geographical accuracy is too important in the world these days. A big peeve of mine!

I forsee this service go the way of Reno Air's (QQ) FAI service. I really don't see them breaking much into the AS loyalty ( mostly not by choice haha) in FAI. I hope them the best, but not counting on it.

What they should do is offer a ANC-FAI trip or two and see if they can get a few AS pax.



"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4580 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9022 times:

The Denver winter isn't long and cold enough. As things are breaking people are thinking "Hey its not cold here anymore. Where can we find cold? Oh.. Alaska?" After a long cold winter is Alaska really the place you want to go?  Smile No offense to those living in Alaska. I personally am crazy enough to go in the middle of winter.


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User currently offlineYtib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 577 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9022 times:

What is the possibility they have some tour companies on board to help with the pricing?

Also this would probably lead to some people only needing one connection instead of 2 using AS and some codeshare partners. Bottomline is that to the average consumer it is about price.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9022 times:



Quoting PlaneAdmirer (Reply 7):
Anyone have an idea about projected yields?

If the FAI loads do not pan out, I hope the planners might consider a one stop in JNU on the way up and down even if it is a zero dark thirty 0200 departure out of JNU to DEN, for those that need to travel beyond SEA .This would allow F9 to test drive true market share. They would be pleasantly surprised.

DL flew SLC-LAX-SEA-JNU-FAI service through Sep 1996.

AS flew a 0100 departure JNU-SEA a few years ago, which was popular.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25559 posts, RR: 86
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9015 times:
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Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 18):
I really don't see them breaking much into the AS loyalty ( mostly not by choice haha) in FAI. I hope them the best, but not counting on it.

The target market for DEN-ANC has always been the summer tourist traffic, any local (ANC) traffic is pure icing, but it turned out there was quite a lot of it.

When Frontier first announced DEN-ANC, Alaska retaliated with DEN-ANC within a couple of weeks (days?), and it turns out there was room for both of them and, in those days, United as well.

mariner



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8983 times:



Quoting Indy (Reply 19):
The Denver winter isn't long and cold enough. As things are breaking people are thinking "Hey its not cold here anymore. Where can we find cold? Oh.. Alaska?" After a long cold winter is Alaska really the place you want to go? No offense to those living in Alaska. I personally am crazy enough to go in the middle of winter

F9 service is summer seasonal, you will not be able to travel to FAI in winter at least on F9. It can get to -50 fahrenheit over the winter months. And most of the people have these strange electrical cords sticking out of their automobile grills (block warmers) On the opposite of the scale it is not uncommon for FAI to reach +85 during the summer.

When I looked a couple of hours the mercury in Fairbanks was a blustery -9 fahrenheit



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25559 posts, RR: 86
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8959 times:
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Quoting Mariner (Reply 22):
When Frontier first announced DEN-ANC, Alaska retaliated with DEN-ANC within a couple of weeks (days?)

Frontier first announced DEN-ANC on December 18, 2003. Alaska first announced DEN-ANC on December 24, 2003.

mariner



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25 Post contains links Ytib : Just noticed a link on twitter from the Boyd Group where they congratulated Fairbanks on getting the new service. They helped FAI in "crafting the com
26 GentFromAlaska : A Christmas present to F9 I suppose.
27 Dfanucci : Just when I think F9 can't suprise me anymore, they go and throw the wife's and I's summer vacation spot on the route... It is going to be sooooo nic
28 Crosswinds21 : Is there expected to be a unusually large amount of tourist traffic to AK this summer? Several new seasonal routes routes have been annouced for summe
29 GentFromAlaska : Please do not forget your mosquito repellent. During the summer the mosquito can get pretty bad. On the comedic side the mosquito is branded the Stat
30 Mariner : There's been some loss of service as well. A year ago, United dropped all service to ANC. I donlt know if they are planning to restore any of it. mar
31 BA : Wow, this is great news. I definitely didn't see this coming. Oh and I love how Fairbanks is south of Anchorage according to the Frontier route map.
32 KingCavalier : I don't quite understand why you see F9 trying to break into AS's FAI traffic. AS owns Alaska. This F9 service from DEN to FAI will probably be Denve
33 Mariner : Speaking of gangbusters. mariner
34 BA : I think it's a smart decision. Many Alaska cruises that include a land portion (often called cruisetours) start/end in Fairbanks, so there is plenty
35 PlaneAdmirer : Please tell me that these are introductory fares. I just did a sample booking going out on May 14 and back May 17 and it's under 400 round trip for 5
36 Mariner : It's simple demand stimulation for a new route. These are the introductory fares and May is the introductory (and slower) month. There are a few of t
37 MASTYC : Plus that is the very beginning of the season. Often those flights are not full as not all the tourists are up in AK yet.
38 Mariner : There's also the problem of return flights, at least for the first week or two, on these leisure routes. Often with leisure destinations the early fl
39 Post contains links Rikkus67 : ...Considering the distance from the mainland USA, the only real design change I would make is the state of Alaska placed in a box, and not flattened
40 F9Animal : This is great news for the people of Alaska, and those travelling to Alaska. There are now more options, and that is good business if you ask me. Grea
41 JetBlue777 : UGH. I was hoping it was BOS, see there's this thing in facebook and F9's page said that the first fan who will guess their next destination will get
42 VC10DC10 : Sorry to be thick, but I don't think I understand this. Geez... all this reminds me of Minnesota!
43 HikesWithEyes : The JNU redeye is a regularly scheduled flight during the summer. Has been for years.
44 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : The announcement is now posted to the Fairbanks Newsminer URL http://www.newsminer.com/pages/full_...stance=home_news_window_left_top_2
45 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I think it is going to be neat watching two F9 A319 flying south and potentially north simultaneously in Alaska air space on flightaware.com FAI as I
46 Ridgid727 : But AS now has DL feed at any station served by AS and DL. I do forsee AS reacting.
47 Mariner : I'd say it is better than even money, but do you see them reacting to US's PHL-ANC as well? Or is it just Frontier that gets their testosterone ragin
48 Ytib : Considering F9 is receiving a grant for this new service, I don't see how a reaction from AS would benefit them much.
49 N7371f : My understanding is FAI received a grant from the DOT and this is helping launch the F9 route...note I didn't use the word subsidize but probably corr
50 Mariner : Congrats. mariner
51 Boydatageek : Is the DOT Money all gone now, or is there enough left for YX to launch 3x service to MKE (and the Chicago market that would would drive up to get so
52 Mariner : If you mean something like MKE-ANC - which I think would be great - it is probably about three hundred miles outside the optimum, revenue-earning ran
53 Boydatageek : I was thinking MKE-FAI. There is ORD-ANC service I believe.
54 Post contains images CGKings317 : WOW, this is outside-the-box thinking on F9's part! Now I wonder how many people will attempt to check in for that F9 flight with Frontier Alaska, (an
55 KingCavalier : But AS flies from SEA to FAI. DL doesn't have a SEA hub. How can DL feed any station? The point is AS needs feed in the gateway station with the nons
56 Crosswinds21 : Just thinking out loud here, but this might be a decent market for AA to enter. Granted, they did announce new Alaska service already (ORD-ANC) for th
57 Post contains links Boydatageek : Question to Knope, Mariner &/or others that might know., The DOT Air Fare and traffic city-pair statistic tables only deal with city pairs within the
58 Enilria : One note, the service is not daily. Since the roundtrip is over 8 hours that means the crew can't come right back. With the service non-daily, that m
59 Mariner : The same could be said of DEN-SJO, which started as 4 x weekly. That worked. mariner
60 Woodsboy : I can tell you as someone who lives in Fairbanks, getting seats on that NW nonstop to Minneapolis is not easy, its booked solid with tourists setting
61 ScottB : Not necessarily; it depends on the contract. Delta runs out-and-back flights and simply blocks seats for dead-heading crews each way. Continental doe
62 NZblue : Last season, the additional Saturday-only DEN-ANC round trip was a turn for the flight attendants, but I believe it was a layover for the pilots. The
63 Mariner : Yes, I understood that but I just don't know enough about the MKE market to know if MKE-FAI would work. I think there is a better case for MKE-ANC, b
64 PhxIAhszxJNU : And I am guessing they would be in the quite competitive disadvantage if they had to overfly and AS would still be able to operate with their fancy R
65 Post contains links CGKings317 : Yep, take the following YouTube clip as Exhibit A, which shows an AS bird departing JNU. Pay particular attention to what happens immediately upon li
66 Post contains links KingCavalier : F9 fixed their route map. FAI has moved back north of ANC again. I like that the entire state of Alaska is displayed now. http://www.frontierairlines.
67 Airport : Haha! I wonder if the route map designer was here listening...
68 GentFromAlaska : Having lived in JNU for ten years I think the WX as it relates to be constantly being degraded is misunderstood and overstated. Sure there are some b
69 MtnWest1979 : I have always wondered why the planes just don't continue South over the town and follow the water channel southward then turn Northbound (if going t
70 GentFromAlaska : Neat video. Thanks for sharing. I've flown that route a 100 or more times. There are at least three departure routes out of Juneau two in this direct
71 GentFromAlaska : They do, that departure if memory serves me is called the Mendenhall wetlands departure. Southbound flights fly over the town, over or to the right o
72 GentFromAlaska : Much better!
73 Post contains links GentFromALaska : This may get you close http://www.transtats.bts.gov/Data_Elements.aspx?Data=1 I found FAI it may narrow it down to O&D
74 PhxIAHszxJNU : A non stop between JNU-FAI would be nice and would sell a few tickets.
75 Post contains links Boydatageek : Obviously, I don't either. And, with no track record of service, most potential traffic probably doesn't show-up. The reasons I would consider giving
76 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Here is F9 and ANC. http://www.transtats.bts.gov/Data_Elements.aspx?Data=1 If I'm understanding correctly F9 flew a total of 18,746 between DEN-ANC or
77 Mariner : I'm just going by what Jeff Potter said once at an AGM. He suggested there would be more Central America (yay!) and someone asked how far south they
78 GentFromAlaska : That would be neat. Whitehorse gives you access to the ALCAN (Alaska-Cananda) highway. One would be a able to fly to YXY, rent a car or camper and dr
79 GentFromAlaska : I flew into Howard AFB in Panama many years ago. As I recall It is a very humid tropical jungle and rain forest and very mountainous. There is little
80 Pyrex : Have you been to Fairbanks? Why would anyone want to go there during the winter (or during the summer, for that matter, when there are much nicer pla
81 MtnWest1979 : If anyone cares.....I have been to Fairbanks once, June 22, 2007. It was warm (82 dregrees F) and I must say, a very boring place to visit. Toured are
82 Post contains links Mariner : I can't think anyone imagines Fairbanks is a hootenanny place, but I'd go there if only to see the Northern Lights: http://fairbanks-alaska.com/north
83 GentFromAlaska : For those who may be interested The Food Network is re-airing their North Pole and Fairbanks Alaska special in about 3 minutes (Friday 8:00 PM EST)
84 Pyrex : Eh... the Aurora Borealis is something to see at night. In the summer, in Fairbanks, there simply is no night. The Japanese love the Aurora Borealis
85 Mariner : I guess you didn't read the linked article: "If you are visiting Fairbanks in the summer, you can still get a look at the Aurora Borealis. Photograph
86 Woodsboy : Oh No! My most favorite thing is to listen to people who have either never been here or maybe have been here once talk about how awful Fairbanks is. I
87 CGKings317 : Just checked Alaskaair.com, and a one-way ticket from FAI-DEN on the 17th of May is $177. Clearly AS is getting aggressive and is seeing F9's entrance
88 BMI727 : I believe that last summer NW flew MKE-MSP-FAI with a single flight number, though it may have changed planes. The day I was in MKE it was a 753 actu
89 Pyrex : Did that (although it is a bit more than 2 hours north, if I recall correctly - it takes you an hour just to get to the haul road). Crossed it at exa
90 Frostbite : Exciting news from F9! I hope FAI locals support the service but I suspect loyalty to the generous AS frequent flier program will trump other consider
91 MtnWest1979 : When I was there, I was actually disappointed I didn't see 'massive mosquitoes'. In fact, I didn't see many at all. Maybe end of June was too soon?
92 MKENut : Fairbanks is one of my must see places in the US! I even had a "Visit Fairbanks" catalog mailed to me from the tourism bureau! I don't know why peopl
93 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : As a vacation idea I would highly recommend this flight. Spend a day or two visit the Chena Hot Springs near Fairbanks. Thereafter board the Alaska ra
94 MASTYC : Denali was the first thing I thought of when I heard FAI. Thanks for that. I got to take a little day trip up to Talkeetna from ANC this summer and s
95 YXwatcherMKE : I would love to see service to Alaska, However I don't think MKE-FAI or MKE-ANC could be done with 319's. what about the 320's With all of the talk on
96 GentFromAlaska : Sometime next December I thought it would be neat idea if F9 flew a flight to nowhere to Fairbanks for the Make-A-Wish Foundation, Shriner's , St. Jud
97 MASTYC : 320s have less range than 319s.
98 GentFromAlaska : A DEN-JNU-FAI trip should work. The A320 could take on fuel in JNU
99 Ytib : but also be at risk due to the weather at JNU.
100 GentFromAlaska : Probably no worse than flying into DEN in in-climate weather. The handful of times I flew into DIA (Stapleton) and ORD in a snowstorm had me sitting
101 TheGreatChecko : Safer in what way? In either case, it's the landing minimums in JNU that would be the issue. The airline cannot dispatch to the airport if the foreca
102 Frostbite : Neglecting the terrain around JNU...?
103 GentFromAlaska : In JNU mountainous terrain I'd be a little more relaxed knowing there wasn't 1-5 A/C on approach behind me also competing for the same runway. A pilo
104 GentFromAlaska : Not when compared to the front range in DEN
105 Frostbite : Come on, DEN is a cream puff compared to Juneau. There is at LEAST 10 miles worth of prairie country between Denver airport and the Front Range. JNU
106 TheGreatChecko : Again, I still do not understand how this is a safety issue. From a pilot's point of view, the aircraft behind me worry me a heck of a lot less than
107 GentFromAlaska : As it relates to low altitude flying in prep for landing, think about the terrain on Douglas Island closer to the airport. None of those hills are mo
108 GentFromAlaska : Keep in mind prior to RNP AS stranded travelers in JNU. Southeast Alaskans are unique and well versed in aviation delays. Even with RNP AS if memory
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