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AA 757 Makes Emergency Landing At LAX On 12-18-09  
User currently offlineLaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 538 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12165 times:

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_14028238?source=rss

It sounds like it could have been serious, but I am glad that it was not. How often does the gear door fail to close, or function in that part? Hopefully the plane will be able to fly again. If there are any new updates, please let us all know.

Thank you in advance,

laxboeingman

P.S. I cannot believe that a Boeing had that problem.


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User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12086 times:



Quoting Laxboeingman (Thread starter):
I cannot believe that a Boeing had that problem.

?? Any piece of machinery can have a problem....what does that have to do with "a boeing"?



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User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12055 times:

Um....It's not that uncommon, and There was no structural damage so I'm sure it will fly again, and Boeing can have a multitude of problems.....yawn slow news day. you are making a big deal out of nothing.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12021 times:



Quoting NWA757boy (Reply 2):
you are making a big deal out of nothing.

It sounds like a fairly typical diversion that seems to have been handled professionally by everyone except, perhaps, the media.

Quoting Laxboeingman (Thread starter):
Hopefully the plane will be able to fly again

This is not a big deal. The plane will probably be ready to go within a week.



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User currently offlineDarthluke12694 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 12002 times:



Quoting Laxboeingman (Thread starter):
I cannot believe that a Boeing had that problem.

Any plane can have a problem. It doesn't matter what kind of plane it is. Look at Airbus, they are just as good as Boeing (in my opinion) and there brand new A380's are having problems. Just because it is a "name brand" doesn't mean it is glitch proof.



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User currently offlineYvphx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 11433 times:

Same thing happened on an RJ-200 last week at PHX. Plane took off, nose gear door did not close, came back landed fine. Mechanics fixed the problem and plane left 2 hours later with a full boat.

User currently offlineCmb320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 413 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 11422 times:

How does a gear door not closing warrant a full evacuation?

User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 11372 times:

Have a look over at Aviation Herald, it happens a bit.

User currently offlineULMFlyer From Brazil, joined Sep 2006, 475 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11286 times:



Quoting Cmb320 (Reply 6):
How does a gear door not closing warrant a full evacuation?

There's nothing in the OP's article about evacuation. Nor in the Aviation Herald.

As a matter of fact, there's nothing about declaring an emergency in the latter either. Would it be really necessary and did they do it? I wonder if Lightsaber will comment in this thread. He shared some interesting information in the AF445 thread about the resources that are mobilized when a Mayday is declared, as opposed to a Pan-Pan, and he's based at LAX.



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User currently offlineDelawareUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10070 times:

Gear retract problems happens at times on A340s. Happend to me once on LH 426 fra-phl. Heard other LH A340 diverting for the same problem.

User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2821 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9329 times:



Quoting Laxboeingman (Thread starter):
P.S. I cannot believe that a Boeing had that problem.

Things break. I have had more cancellations, diversions, and mechanical problems on Boeings than in Lockheed, Douglas, and Airbus aircraft combined.

Quoting Laxboeingman (Thread starter):
Hopefully the plane will be able to fly again.

Why wouldn't it be able to? It's a minor glitch.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
This is not a big deal.

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Quoting DelawareUSA (Reply 9):
Gear retract problems happens at times on A340s. Happend to me once on LH 426 fra-phl. Heard other LH A340 diverting for the same problem.

Gear problems happen on all models of aircraft. Just because you alter your destination doesn't mean it's a major problem; that's why airlines have procedures and well-trained staff to make operational decisions.


User currently offlinePeterSpence From United States of America, joined May 2009, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8192 times:

I was at the airport when it happened ... the crew did come over radios and declare a problem with gear door. They overflew the field at about 1500' I believe it was .... Tower said "looks like your left gear door is still open" ... he went around and you could see all other gear doors closed except for that one. Gear was retracted on all though. Of course, they dispatched the entire LAX Fire Department for the landing. When he came back, gear was down fine and landing was on the best I've seen in a while. He taxied (sp?) like any normal aircraft and held short of runway 25R for departing traffic. ATC asked if he needed any further assistance and Pilot said "Negative, everything is checking out fine no further help needed just a gate would be nice" ... and they said "roger, hold short of the runway and we'll get back to you on gate" ... after 10 mins he had a gate, all fire trucks were back at the station and everything was great. I've got a pic of it I'm gonna edit and try to get on here, might post the pre-edit on this since it came up.

Later!



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User currently offlineLaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8007 times:

I am not trying to make a big deal out of nothing, I did not realize that this was that common. About the Boeing thing, I am just upset that a Boeing had a problem because I am a Boeing fan.

laxboeingman



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User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1025 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7681 times:

[quote=Laxboeingman,reply=0]It sounds like it could have been serious, but I am glad that it was not. How often does the gear door fail to close, or function in that part? Hopefully the plane will be able to fly again. If there are any new updates, please let us all know.



This is actually old new, this airplane is in Tulsa being repaired, and has been there for about 4 days, I have seen gear doors completely removed and the airplane still flown..
Doors fall open all the time. It is just when it is a slow news day do you hear about it.

David



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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3466 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6523 times:



Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 13):
This is actually old new, this airplane is in Tulsa being repaired, and has been there for about 4 days....

Not sure which acft you are thinking about, David, but the incident plane is acft 642 which is still in LAX. Air interrupt occurred on AA2436/18Dec --that was FRIDAY.  confused 

I agree, it must have been a slow news day though. An AA737 returned to LAX two days earlier with a nose gear issue after takeoff, emergency declared and..... nobody's mentioned anything about that -- yet.  smile 

Looks like it was a simple mechanical failure:
Removed and replaced extension and retract fuse. Leack check Ops Chk Good. Accomplished Gear Swing Operation Ops Check Normal.

The plane is scheduled to fly LAX-MIA in the morning.

N642 B75W FUTURE ROUTING 20/0535Z
FLT --FROM-- --TO-- MTC -OFF/ON-- TIME
2436/18 LAX 1055 LAX 1137 642XX 1055 1137
202/20 LAX 0807 MIA 1529 642
723/20 MIA 1715 MAR 2015 642XX



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6459 times:



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 10):
Things break. I have had more cancellations, diversions, and mechanical problems on Boeings than in Lockheed, Douglas, and Airbus aircraft combined.

Which means nothing unless we know how many flights you took on each aircraft...

but your overall point I must agree with 110%-minor glitch.



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User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2297 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6404 times:



Quoting Laxboeingman (Reply 12):
I am just upset that a Boeing had a problem because I am a Boeing fan.

Whats there to be upset about? The plane didn't crash, people did not die.. An airplane like any other machine will run into its share of problems. Look at the A380, they had to fly her with three engines across the Atlantic Ocean.



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User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1025 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6293 times:



Quoting AAR90 (Reply 14):
Not sure which acft you are thinking about, David, but the incident plane is acft 642 which is still in LAX. Air interrupt occurred on AA2436/18Dec --that was FRIDAY.

Must be something going on where, 5CT is OTS in TULE for the R/H MLG door not closing. Here from a friend that is based in LAX that this airplane was ferried for repair.

David



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6284 times:
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Quoting Laxboeingman (Thread starter):
P.S. I cannot believe that a Boeing had that problem.

What kind of nonsense is that?? News flash - Boeings can develop technical problems just like any other manufacturer's products can.



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User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3466 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6136 times:



Quoting Boeing767mech (Reply 17):
Must be something going on where, 5CT is OTS in TULE for the R/H MLG door not closing. Here from a friend that is based in LAX that this airplane was ferried for repair.

I suggest you check 5CT's status yourself -then give a figurative "slap-in-the-face" to your friend.  Smile 5CT hasn't been to TULE, has been flying the line for the last 10 days and looks to be flying charters all weekend. She transited LAX... once [night of 16th, left on 1st flight 17th] and TUL (not the maintenance station) on 18/19.

N5CT B75W YESTERDAY ROUTING
FLT --FROM-- --TO-- MTC -OFF/ON-- TIME
223/16 BOS 1943 LAX 2248 5CTXX 1943 2248 6.05
416/17 LAX 0615 MIA 1342 5CTXX 0615 1342 4.27
9666/18 MIA 0901 TUL 1042 5CTXX 0901 1042 2.41
9606/19 TUL 1944 ORD 2110 5CTXX 1944 2110 1.26
9208/20 ORD 1056 DCA 1327 5CT 56502.44 19554
9209/20 DCA 1412 ORD 1457 5CT 56504.54 19555
9210/20 ORD 1517 DCA 1735 5CT 56506.34 19556
9211/20 DCA 1858 ORD 1940 5CTXX 56508.44 19557


The incident acft (#642) has been repaired and is actually headed to MIA at this very moment (Sunday morning):
RGA 642/F02
N642 B75W FUTURE ROUTING
FLT --FROM-- --TO-- MTC -OFF/ON-- TIME
2436/18 LAX 1055 LAX 1137 642XX 1055 1137 0.42
202/20 LAX 0756 MIA 1512 642 0756



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6531 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5905 times:



Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 15):
Which means nothing unless we know how many flights you took on each aircraft...

but your overall point I must agree with 110%-minor glitch.

I guess he flew more Boeings and that was implicit.

What about that picture PeterSpence ?



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5740 times:



Quoting Aesma (Reply 20):
I guess he flew more Boeings and that was implicit.

I guess me presuming most understood basic statistics was also implicit but alas I was mistaken it seems....

If he flew more Boeings, even at the same (or lesser) failure-rate, in raw numbers there would be more incidents-thus my point: It is a useless stat.



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5560 times:



Quoting Laxboeingman (Reply 12):
I am not trying to make a big deal out of nothing, I did not realize that this was that common. About the Boeing thing, I am just upset that a Boeing had a problem because I am a Boeing fan.

You realize that on any given day, there are hundreds of Boeings with glitches across the world?

I can't say I'm surprised you fall into the age range that you do with comments like that....



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User currently offlinePeterSpence From United States of America, joined May 2009, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5371 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 20):
What about that picture PeterSpence ?

Quoting Arcrftlvr (Reply 23):
So, the aircraft landed on 25L? According to the LAFD, they landed on 25R?

Here it is up close, I cropped in to show the gear mainly ... you see the left door is open, all others closed ... also, he landed 25L the article said 25R that is incorrect ... originally was to go 25R though, that is correct. Switched for some reason and all fire trucks moved over. Oh and the shot is from when he did his overfly so ATC could see what the issue was. Hope this helps! Sorry for delay in response, been away. '

One last thing, plane registration was N642AA. Now I'm done.

[Edited 2009-12-21 21:34:53]

[Edited 2009-12-21 21:37:00]


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User currently offlineDaysleeper From UK - England, joined Dec 2009, 838 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 5319 times:



Quoting Laxboeingman (Thread starter):
P.S. I cannot believe that a Boeing had that problem

I bet you also can’t believe it’s not butter  Smile

I hate to break it to you too, but over the years there have been a few very serious mechanical failures with Boeings. The 737 Rudder PCU springs to mind, as does the 747 forward cargo door locking system. I’m sure Airbus and other manufacturers for that matter have had their own issue’s – although, and I’m sure someone will correct me if I’m wrong – I don't think Airbus have had any quite as serious.


25 BMI727 : Well the tail falling off the A300 was kind of a problem, but that depends on who you ask, as does the safety of the A330. Bombardier had that issue
26 Daysleeper : If your referring to the queens crash then that wasn't a mechanical failure. The testing after the crash showed that the tail structure withstood ove
27 BMI727 : That has been an issue of contention between AA and Airbus. I think that some blame lies on both sides, but the point is that Boeing is neither immun
28 Daysleeper : I agree, in fact I said that myself. My response was a little “tongue in cheek” given the OP’s comment, and yes I can imagine it was debated at
29 Aesma : Thanks, nice shot ! But was he doing statistics ? I don't think so : He was just, as a lot of others anetters did, showing to the OP that Boeings can
30 FlyingSicilian : Actually he was doing statistics by posting his "sampling". I am also well aware of what he was trying to do; it was and is a useless statistic witho
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