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Cabin Crew Duty For Narrowbodies In Asia/Australia  
User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3326 posts, RR: 20
Posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

LCCs tend to focus on reduced crew costs such as overnighting, and extended operating hours.
Given the intense competition in Australia and SE Asia, it would be interested to see what the crew limitations for airlines in the region. Also interesting to compare with some legacy carriers with narrowbody operations.

some airlines that come to mind for comparison:

Air Asia
Tiger SIN
Tiger Aust
Silk Air
Garuda
Jetstar JQ and 3K
Virgin Blue
Qantas 738s
Air NZ

Do all airlines have same sign on/sign off time allowances?

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User currently offlineAsianguy767 From Singapore, joined Oct 2003, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4231 times:

For SIN based carriers, operators cannot schedule cabin crew to operate for 14hrs or more without provided inflight horizontal rest of at least 3hrs. So the crew wil operate turnarounds usually no longer than 14hrs FDP (flight duty period). A FDP is defined as from the time of reporting for duty till 30mins after engines off.

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6858 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

All Indonesian carriers (Regulatory):
For minimum Cabin Crew complement: Max Duty 14hrs continuous followed by minimum 9hrs rest.
Minimum +1: Max Duty 16hrs continuous
Minimum +2: Max Duty 18hrs continuous
Minimum + >2: Max Duty hours 20hrs continuous.
All duties 14 - 20hrs continuous must be followed by a minimum of 12hrs rest.

Reduced Rest following Max 14hrs Duty:
Minimum Rest can be reduced to 8hrs if the following rest period is minimum 10hrs which must commence no later than 24hrs after the start of the initial reduced rest.

Reduced Rest following 14 - 20hrs Duty:
Minimum Rest can be reduced to 10hrs if the following rest period is minimum 14hrs which must commence no later than 24hrs after the start of the initial reduced rest, and subsequent scheduled duty must be less than 14hrs.

Minimum of 1x consecutive 24hrs per 7 day period.

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For several Indonesian carriers, they are roughly as follows (this is from memory, not from looking up their documents (I can't be bothered to look it up at the moment)):

Air Asia Indonesia:
- Minimum Crew Complement (733/320)
- Max 14hrs absolute with planned max 12hrs.
- Max 4 cycles planned (unless diversions/AOG occurs where 16hrs and 6 cycles absolute limit apply).
- For duties with >6hrs flight time over 2 cycles, Max 2 cycles apply).
- Max 120 flight hours per month apply (this is tied with duty attendance and productivity bonuses)
- Self Managed Transport.

Citilink:
- Minimum Crew Complement (733/734),
- Max 14hrs planned.
- Max 6 cycles planned.
- Transport provided.

Garuda:
Minimum Crew Complement + 2 (733/5), +1 (734/8),
- Max 14hrs absolute.
- Max 4 cycles planned.
- Transport Provided.

Sriwijaya:
- Minimum Crew Complement (734) or +1 (732/3 and 734 for CGKSINCGK),
- Max 14hrs planned extendable to 16hrs absolute where 2x extension hrs is added to subsequent rest period.
- Whenever cabin crew is required to work from start to finish >16hrs, split duty applies where extension = 1/2 x rest during split duty and no extensions until completion.
- Max 6 cycles planned.
- Transport provided.

Duty Start: Standard 1Hr prior to departure (except Sriwijaya for CGKSINCGK which is 2hrs prior)
Duty End: Standard 30mins after engines off.



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3326 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 3736 times:



Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 2):
All Indonesian carriers (Regulatory):
For minimum Cabin Crew complement: Max Duty 14hrs continuous followed by minimum 9hrs rest.

Does it make a difference whether roster is daylight services, or if they are overnight flights?
does the max duty of 14 hours apply?

I note air asia doesn't operate many overnight/back of clock services (except India). Is this due to crew limitations?


User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 718 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

Qantas Short Haul:

Monthly rostered hours is 121-123. Max is 140hr. Variable penalties, or 'Bands', are paid depending on the time of day and day of week.

Domestic, Tasman, Noumea, Denpasar

Maximum rostered duty time is 9hr 45min. Can be extended to 10hr 30min if one transit is at least 1hr 5min. 11hr duty time on agreed (with FAAA) parings, with curtained inflight crew rest seats provided (3 seats on 73H, 4 seats on 763, 332, 333). In all cases duty time can 'creep' to 12 hr in delays. Must achieve a break on the ground, free from all duty, of at least 20min every six hours, or a penalty paid.

Sign On is always 45min prior. Sign Off is 15min after arrival. CSMs have an extra 10min credited to Sign On at home base. This does not counted toward daily duty limits but does count toward monthly maximum and daily overtime.

Post duty rest is 12hr away from home. It may be reduce to 10hr at a non-crew base if the following duty is rostered less than 6hr.

At home base minimum rest is 12hr following a duty of less than 8hr and 15hr following a duty of more than 8hr.

Maximum consecutive work days is six (can be a six day trip, single days or any combination). Minimum nine days of Bid Period (calendar month), only one may be a single day off. There must be an 11hr buffer between Sign Off before days off and Sign On upon return to work.

International (defined as a pattern that includes at least one flight in the QF001-399 range*, which could also be a domestic flight between international terminals. (*except Tasman, Denpasar, Noumea)

Maximum rostered duty time is 14hr. Can extend to 17 hours in delay. Can extend to 20 hours with majority crew vote. Curtained crew rest must be provided - regardless of sector length or aircraft type. Inflight rest must be 20min in the first six hours of duty (since Sign On) and 20min every four hours thereafter.

Rest in a slip port is 12hr, reducible to 10hr to maintain pattern integrity. Rest at home must be 48hr (including two local nights*) following a trip of more than 72hr away from home, 18 hr (including one local night) for trips of more than one calender day and 15hr (including one local night) for duties of less than one calender day.

Sign On times at Australian ports vary. Away from home it is 1hr. Sign Off time is always 30 mins after arrival.

Maximum pattern length is six days.

* 'local night' is defined as 2200-0600 at your home base.



That's about the gist of it.


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6858 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 3498 times:



Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 3):
Does it make a difference whether roster is daylight services, or if they are overnight flights?
does the max duty of 14 hours apply?

I note air asia doesn't operate many overnight/back of clock services (except India). Is this due to crew limitations?

6thfreedom,
Regulationwise... no difference on the daylight/night.
For overnight flights here on narrowbodies we only have:
Sriwijaya on CGK-UPG-TTE-MDC/r
Garuda on CGK-DPS-TIM/r, CGK-UPG-BIK/r (these two, the BIK-DJJ-TIM and TIM-DJJ-BIK is day time, and the returns to CGK are daytime), DPS-PER/r.
On Merpati they have the same as Garuda above, and a few shorter ones.
Indonesia Air Asia has DPS-PER-DPS (DPS-PER is night on one of the flights).

I don't know about other Air Asia group companies other than Indonesia Air Asia on their crewing policy, the different regulations between Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand means their respective local franchise have to follow the regulations where they're based.



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3326 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3321 times:



Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 4):
Maximum rostered duty time is 9hr 45min.

does this include sign on/off, or is this just flying time...?


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