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Manchester Airport Shut Due To Severe Weather  
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27110 posts, RR: 60
Posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11290 times:

Cold Weather Closes Manchester Airport

The travel plans of thousands in the North of England have been hit as Manchester Airport shuts because of the severe weather.

All inbound and outbound flights have been temporarily cancelled.
The airport is expected to remain closed for up to an hour while snow and ice is cleared off the runway.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...tions_As_Cold_Snap_Set_To_Continue

61 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineSKORD From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11276 times:

Pathetic! They have have known for days that this was due, and they have 2 runways!! Yet again.... MAN continues to be a useless in any type of weather accurance. SHAMEFULL!!

User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11198 times:

SKORD, LHR has its own share of problems, but I guess we have not had as much snow as MAN must have had.

User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11130 times:

The whole of Europe is being affected by snowfall.


Zanair flight, please hold on finals as we have to clear rhino's off the runway. Next flight KUL-FRA-AMS Flown in A319,A
User currently offlineSKORD From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11129 times:

Their Web-site is also down! This used to be a superb airport 20years ago, now its just crap!! I live maybe 800yards from the end of the runway, and we have max 2" of snow.

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7212 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 11077 times:



Quoting SKORD (Reply 4):
we have max 2" of snow.

You try breaking a car in 2'' of snow, now try an aircraft.

No doubt the snow is very wet, and hence the hardest to clear.

Quoting SKORD (Reply 4):
now its just crap!

Give the guys a break - it takes time to clear snow from a runway, especially when snow is infrequent.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineSKORD From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10978 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 5):
Give the guys a break - it takes time to clear snow from a runway, especially when snow is infrequent.

Its the management of the airport that i have issues with. They have spent millions upon MILLIONS, doind up airside... and all we get is bombarded with Duty-Free shops!!! There are no windows, no open spaces, its horrible!!
Now.. when he bad weather kicks in, there is no infastructure to deal with it! But hay... we have shops!!


User currently offlineDazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2921 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10981 times:

The runway (single ops) was closed to clear snow and re-opened again at 1230. It might not be for long with snow still falling. 30 miles north, we have 4" of snow at the moment and it's still coming down heavy. I know what you mean though, this country is ridiculous when it comes to a bit of snow. I know we don't get these conditions very often and economics rule, but when I was in northern Finland this time last year (200km north of the Arctic circle), 3-4ft of snow was just another day. Maybe some of the merchant bankers bonuses should be used to buy some snow ploughs and other machinery to help us after we bailed them out.

Darren

EDIT

Quote:
Its the management of the airport that i have issues with. They have spent millions upon MILLIONS, doind up airside... and all we get is bombarded with Duty-Free shops!!! There are no windows, no open spaces, its horrible!!
Now.. when he bad weather kicks in, there is no infastructure to deal with it! But hay... we have shops!!

Totally agree with you  bigthumbsup 

[Edited 2009-12-20 05:05:58]


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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7212 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10928 times:



Quoting SKORD (Reply 6):
hey have spent millions upon MILLIONS, doind up airside... and all we get is bombarded with Duty-Free shops!!! There are no windows, no open spaces, its horrible!!

Duty Free shops provide revenue, and hence lower landing charges to airlines. They provide revenue on a day to day basis. Windows and open spaces dont.

In a time when airlines are screaming for lower charges investment goes into where money can be made, such as car-parks and coffee shops.

The Duty Free shops in Manchester are run by an Italian company - and they provide Manchester airport serious revenue at zero costs for the airport.

How many hours a year is Manchester closed by snow? Do your airlines want to pay £2 extra per ticket to get that runway open 15 mins earlier?

Quoting Dazbo5 (Reply 7):
was in northern Finland this time last year (200km north of the Arctic circle), 3-4ft of snow was just another day.

Different snow - Finnish and Russian snow tends to be drier, and not as sticky as British Isles snow - which is warmer, and harder to shift. It also provides less traction.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27110 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10861 times:

Runway 1 cleared and opening shortly.

User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4013 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10781 times:

Does not really matter - as airports on the continent are also closed, there will not be that much traffic anyway  Smile AMS, BRU, LGG, DUS, NRN, FRA, to name a few, have all refused to accept all or at least some inbound aircraft since ealrier today.

User currently offlineElbowRoom From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10781 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 8):
In a time when airlines are screaming for lower charges investment goes into where money can be made, such as car-parks and coffee shops.

I want to use an airport where people are calm, not screaming. I want a few decent shops and lots of windows. I want the runway efficiently cleared of snow. And I am prepared to pay a reasonable amount for it.

Used Zurich airport recently, what a pleasure. Likewise SFO, for example.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4275 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10649 times:



Quoting ElbowRoom (Reply 11):
Likewise SFO, for example.

Well SFO doesn't have to worry about snow removal...

The East Coast of the US is getting socked by 2 feet of snow - I wonder how long MAN would be closed if that happened?!



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineSKORD From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10649 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 8):
Do your airlines want to pay £2 extra per ticket to get that runway open 15 mins earlier?

Yes!!! Most definately! And i would be more than happy to pay it for them.

Quoting ElbowRoom (Reply 11):



I want to use an airport where people are calm, not screaming. I want a few decent shops and lots of windows. I want the runway efficiently cleared of snow. And I am prepared to pay a reasonable amount for it.

I couldnt agree with you more!  Big grin


User currently offlineCainanuk From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2002, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10617 times:

To be fair... I am currently at work at MAN. I have worked at this airport since 2002 and this is easily the worst snow event we have had since I started here. The guys and gals operating the snow removal equipment have been working flat out since last night. The problem as has been stated earlier is that the snow is heavy wet snow. What has been happening is that we get snow and then a good covering of granular snow on top of what has already fallen. This then causes freezing and ice build up. when it has been snowing it has been coming down very very heavily. By the time they get to the end of the runway, the end they just cleared is a mess. Also, with deicing, holdover times are significantly reduced in falling snow, so with the airport opening and closing intermittently, aircraft are having to be deiced numerous times. I think that SKORD ought to realise the logistics of running a large airfield before running his mouth.


Cainan Cornelius
User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10596 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 5):
You try breaking a car in 2'' of snow, now try an aircraft.

No doubt the snow is very wet, and hence the hardest to clear.

Yes Defo! I was driving at 5 MPH, another car reversing out of drive way, we had about a 1mph bump because he couldnt stop coming down the slightest drop in pavement, it all happened so slowly...
One of those things where if I breaked under the current 3mph as i was deciding, it would have been the middle section he bumped into, so instead waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas the back end...
Took me about 1.5 hours to go a normally 30 mins, I was being carefull...

Quoting SKORD (Reply 6):
Its the management of the airport that i have issues with. They have spent millions upon MILLIONS, doind up airside... and all we get is bombarded with Duty-Free shops!!! There are no windows, no open spaces, its horrible!!
Now.. when he bad weather kicks in, there is no infastructure to deal with it! But hay... we have shops!!

I agree on the poor management! I complained about a smoking area, you know the long terminal 2 with just gates along the long walkway, they decided to have an open smoking area at a gate, so any unlucky person wanted to get past to the other gates have to breath in the smoke for at least 3 gates of walking...
Let alone having to man the gates...
And dont get me started on Car parking Prices, and then the fact that they dont let you collect arriving passengers like you would normally do, instead making you park so you have to pay...They still using the Car Bomb Excuse even though departures one is open...

I use the departure one for arrivals  Smile


User currently offlineDazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2921 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10585 times:

Seems like three aircraft have also been hit by lightening on departure as well, two were happy to continue while one returned. It's all happening in MAN today, and many other parts of europe! Spare a thought for those that have lost their lives in all of this bad weather (not airport related I'll add!). We might moan about things here, but there's a serious side to all this as well.

Quoting Richierich (Reply 12):
The East Coast of the US is getting socked by 2 feet of snow - I wonder how long MAN would be closed if that happened?!

The airports would be the least of our worries, the whole country would be at a standstill until it thawed!

Darren



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User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10586 times:



Quoting BestWestern (Reply 8):
Duty Free shops provide revenue, and hence lower landing charges to airlines. They provide revenue on a day to day basis. Windows and open spaces dont.

Not with Manchester though...Even Ryanair complained about them...they are a rip off just like their car parking fees


User currently offlineDavehammer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10566 times:



Quoting ElbowRoom (Reply 11):
I want to use an airport where people are calm, not screaming. I want a few decent shops and lots of windows. I want the runway efficiently cleared of snow. And I am prepared to pay a reasonable amount for it.

That's as maybe, but it has been proved many times over that low prices are king. We'd all like every airport to be like ZRH but it just isn't gonna happen.


User currently offlineSKORD From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10484 times:



Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 14):
have worked at this airport since 2002

I started work here in 1988!!!

Quoting Cainanuk (Reply 14):
I think that SKORD ought to realise the logistics of running a large airfield before running his mouth.

Why? Its a very badly run airport, in my opinion, and im quite within my right to say so!!


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10469 times:



Quoting SKORD (Reply 6):
They have spent millions upon MILLIONS, doind up airside... and all we get is bombarded with Duty-Free shops!!! There are no windows, no open spaces, its horrible!!

So basically, they're catering for the 95% who want shops and entertainment while waiting for their flight, and not the 5% that want to sit and watch the aircraft, while also maximising revenue and helping to keep costs down. Seems like good management to me.


User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10413 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 20):
So basically, they're catering for the 95% who want shops and entertainment while waiting for their flight, and not the 5% that want to sit and watch the aircraft, while also maximising revenue and helping to keep costs down. Seems like good management to me.

MAN Could learn a bit from Singapore Airport...Free Games like BF2 Free Cinema and the nice shops...not like manchester...Even T2 has been ripped apart last April when I went through there, I now have to go upstairs then downstairs to go through security


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27110 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10366 times:

Gotta love Sky News live reporting though, they are showing a Globespan A/C saying its stationary due to the bad weather !

Like it was going anywhere anyway  Yeah sure  Big grin


User currently offlineSKORD From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10321 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 20):
95% who want shops

Really?

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 20):
5% that want to sit and watch the aircraft

Acually, no. I simply want to be in an environment thats pleasant and relaxing.

e.g. One-way MAN-ALC on ZB in early April, taxes and charges are a ridiculous £32.75p!!!

Now i know some of that goes to the government, but a hell of a lot goes to MAPLC. If they rake in that amount of cash per passenger, and i would assume a hell of a lot more on Business Class tickets,(plus extortionate charges for car-parking, trollleys, etc etc) why is the place such a mess?
Bad management and poor planning. Its a disgrace!!


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10141 times:



Quoting SKORD (Reply 23):
Acually, no. I simply want to be in an environment thats pleasant and relaxing.

I want a seat on the train every morning but I rarely get one. Since when has travelling ever been 'pleasant and relaxing'?

Most passengers want shops and they bring in revenue for the airport, so get used to them.


25 Post contains links VV701 : What is wrong with British aviation enthusiasts. On a-net at this moment are threads reporting airport closures in other parts of Europe and in Easte
26 SKORD : VV701 Keep your pants on!!! Its well known that we as a nation are bloody useless when it comes to "weather issues" and the rest of the world seem to
27 BestWestern : Didnt ask if YOU were willing to pay for it - I asked if the airlines were willing to pay for it, and the answer is NO. Again, The airlines aren't wi
28 Eastern747 : What a bunch of WHINERS.....Guess what! I left FLL last thurs and sat on the runway for 25 minutes awaiting takeoff. No real snow problems, no deicein
29 GT4EZY : I have been in the MAN crew room for a few hours watching and waiting to fly and watching flights one by one being cancelled. It's Winter, it's extrem
30 BrouAviation : With the right tyres, it's easy, ice and water are much more dangerous. Snow actually provides you with more grip and friction, and makes braking eas
31 AirNz : How are you going to pay for it though when you have no consultation or planning role in any airport? Of course it is your right, and no-one would di
32 Revelation : Well, at least the other Manchester Airport (MHT) stayed open though today's snow storm here in the Northeast US.
33 FCA767 : It's not Private, It's owned by the council
34 GT4EZY : True but in a largely convoluted way. I think what BestWestern means is that MAN is operated more like a private company than a public utility. It ju
35 FCA767 : I guess so I suppose that's why I dislike the business like attitude of the airport ripping us off left right and centre compared to the niceness of
36 GT4EZY : But to be fair, with regards to retail, it is what passengers want. As you may know I fly out of T3 a lot and one complaint I get from passengers reg
37 OA260 : Personally I have to say I love retail but there is a balance. I like huge windows that look out onto the runways and decent seating areas with free w
38 Skyhigh777 : Just to play devil's advocate, here in the East coast (at least in DC) we received well over 2 feet of snow...a far cry from a few inches of snow in
39 SKORD : Has anyone looked at the Manchester Airport web-site tonight? Useless! They are still showing some flights as "next info" 20.25! . That is coming up t
40 MAN2SIN2BKK : 38 responses and not a mention on How Gil Thompson would not have let this situation happen and would be out kicking butt!
41 Cainanuk : Sod Gil Thompson... at one point today I was considering calling Joe Patroni!
42 SKORD : Gil Thomson! What a star!!! He was the best thing MAN ever had!!
43 GT4EZY : Maybe but do we know what he would have done differently during Sunday? Perhaps more crucially, did the runway have to close due to snow during his l
44 Ocracoke : Braking a car in 2" of snow is the best of fun! Find yourself an empty parking lot, drive across it with a little speed, then slam the steering wheel
45 Seafleet : Quote Skyhigh77 Just to play devil's advocate, here in the East coast (at least in DC) we received well over 2 feet of snow...a far cry from a few inc
46 Danfearn77 : Your not forgetting that Darling and Brown are taking a nice chunk of that are you? Not all of it is going to Manchester. Ive flown from other region
47 Woodentom : how quickly is manchester going to be able to get back to normal as looking at the flights status there are delays this morning. i am flying on wednes
48 FCA767 : Oh yes...I love T3, I worked at Alpha Duty free...but the thing was that it was extremely quiet in the shop that we usually spent 70% of the time dus
49 FCA767 : I mean, manchester not being cheap
50 Myt332 : No but GT4EZY has. It was but then life happened and it is what it is today. Personally I quite like T1 these days, sure there might be a lot of shop
51 Dazbo5 : The airport are saying things should be back to normal by the end of the day, subject to how the weather gets on. There's more snow due later and the
52 LHR380 : Just as I was about to finish work in T5 at about 2320 last night when a bunch of crew came past the desk and started heading towards the Zone E back
53 VV701 : Correct. Looking back over the years at British December snow falls there was around a foot in the Manchester area in 1950. Then in December 1967 alm
54 Acelanzarote : Can anyone advise the state of play at MAN today? looking for info on the delayed TCX151K from Sunday to ACE? thanks
55 GT4EZY : But that what grates on me. People here travel to various regions that have been developed in the last 10/20 years (DXB being the obvious example) an
56 LHR380 : LOL Im shuddering at the thought of a uniform made by Paris Hilton, I dread to think what she might come up with!!
57 Danfearn77 : Now now!! Im only sort of joking. But at the end of the day marble floors and a few tv's is not too much to ask for. Im not saying knock it down and
58 Myt332 : I'm his +1 tonight and he's already got my bed made up at his place! (I hope I'm making him cringe when he reads this ) McDonalds have free wifi in t
59 LHR380 : That will do it lol
60 Andaman : It really depends were in Finland you are, in Helsinki or in Lapland, 1000km north of HEL. The snow in inland Lapland tens to be dryer and more light
61 GT4EZY : What ashame i wasn't there. I was on the AGP and couldn't be arsed going afterwards. Didn't realise you were being his Christmas B*tch.
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