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I Want To Thank The NWA Family.  
User currently offlineNWADC10LUVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6112 times:

To the people who are in the trenches at NWA you are what make the airline, the airline. You all deserve better than what is been handed to you as part of this merger with DL. I as a passenger and Historian of Passenger airlines Thank you all for your fine work you are the best at doing what you do. You are Innovators of the industry. NWA sure has had is fair share of issues as any large company does, but you the front line workers did your best with what was thrown down to you. I as a passenger thank you for getting me from point A to point B safe and secure for over 1,500,000 miles in the past 5 years and lifetime since 1993 well over 7,500,000 miles. You have taken me around the world on time for the most part every time. I thank all the Highly Skilled pilots who have flew when no others wanted to, you are the best in the industry. Thank you all for putting up with my demanding schedule.


NWA should live forever NWA should be there till the end of time. Follow the red tail folks, Follow the red tail.

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User currently offlineFlydreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5967 times:

I think NW's history is certainly something special and to be remembers in the annals of commercial aviation history.

That said, I think that the DL merger will be best for the company and the passenger.

For the passenger, DL offers undeniably more amenities and in my opinion a higher level of consistency in their professionalism across the airline than old NW. I have seen and heard things from NW cabin crews that I have never encountered on any other carrier. DL comes as close as any American airline to offering a top-bottom world-class product as any of their competitors (I know the 763s are ancient, but their renovation is in the cards).

In terms of the company, Delta has shown the creativity and ambition in their product development (actively working on fleet-wide avod and lie-flat J for international, PTV for 3+ hour flights domestic) and in terms of route development and opening new markets (like Africa, Eastern Europe, and increasing presence in Latin America, all growing markets) and bringing new competition to the US-OZ market.

NW's management had one trick, cutting costs. You can't run an airline for the long-term doing nothing but cutting. DL brings a plan and a vision the old NW lacked. NW alone risked marginalization in the ever more competitive market.

In short, DL may not be perfect (JFK T3 is overdue to be replaced, the 763s are overdue for refurbishment, ATL might be overloaded at times), but they raise the standards and breathe new vision and life into the people and pieces of the old NW, and NW undeniably brings some important things to the new DL also (like IT expertise, a virtuoso ability to sniff out and trim fat, and a pretty great North America based reservations center).

NW is the better for having been folded into the new Delta, and the new Delta is better for having them.

The merger is no tragedy.



"Let the world change you, and you can change the world"
User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5762 times:



Quoting Flydreamliner (Reply 1):
NW's management had one trick, cutting costs. You can't run an airline for the long-term doing nothing but cutting. DL brings a plan and a vision the old NW lacked. NW alone risked marginalization in the ever more competitive market.

In short, DL may not be perfect (JFK T3 is overdue to be replaced, the 763s are overdue for refurbishment, ATL might be overloaded at times), but they raise the standards and breathe new vision and life into the people and pieces of the old NW, and NW undeniably brings some important things to the new DL also (like IT expertise, a virtuoso ability to sniff out and trim fat, and a pretty great North America based reservations center).

NW is the better for having been folded into the new Delta, and the new Delta is better for having them.

The merger is no tragedy.

I agree, especially considering the massive cuts NWA management made mainline employees and most importantly, longtime customers take with the massive outsourcing of jobs. A stable, reliable operation does not cut at every opportunity, they choose to spend money and grow. I've often gotten the impression that if NWA management wanted to, they would outsource everybody but the pilots and run it on a shoestring budget.



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User currently offlineNWADC10LUVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5607 times:

Would like to make a correction to my topic name my laptop is having a Monday moment. It should read I want to thank the NWA family, oops.


Well this is my view of the merger which I was trying to make earlier.
Remember this is per rule 1.a.

The management needed to answer to it's customers not investors since without customers you have no business. Also they should have listened to it's employees and stopped the mistreatment of them, gutting salaries and benefits as well as eliminating jobs since without quality employees you have no company. Furthermore getting a bonus at the exit of NWA to go to another company when the company is being gutted for a backwards takeover. And taking bonuses at the expense of not hiring back help that made your company get where it was. This company had 4-6 Billion dollars in CASH, how is it that another company named DL was in Bankruptcy protection as well and was shedding help at the same time and had NO money in the bank was able to purchase NWA. NWA was the ONLY US flag carrying airline to have ANY CASH besides SWA a LCC. NWA had Paid equipment cost down to almost Zero, but that was negated with a mortgage purchase of the 757-300 and a huge purchase of A-320/319's and the A-330's,. Also the New 787's in which if DL had a heart take in the 787 and have two in the NWA livery one in the Bowling Shoe and the NWA silver.


Sure NWA had labor issues but they (management) did not want to deal with the unions because the unions were right. This merger is another way of a backdoor union buster.

DL is not using anything that NWA had on the customer side of things like the World Perks Program, World Clubs, World Traveler magazine. These sound a bit more professional than Sky Club, Sky Miles Sky Magazine and could at least have used some of these out of respect of the NWA work group and it's customer base. Also like US keep some birds in previous liveries for retro sake.

Had issues of DL not honoring NWA policies on a few flights in which were totally NWA.

And it seems funny that the top Management at DL is now all NWA people.

Remember NWA had 53,000 people pre merger and forced downward spiral.
Now post today 24,000.people Management said no jobs would be lost as result of this merger, my math says otherwise.

Remember the Management said no hubs would be lost well as per many many a.net posts CVG is on extreme life support. PLN has lost 4 flights TVC has lost all mainline service and BOS lost MKE and ORD. PVD lost MSP and two flights to DTW are CRJ's.
DTW lost CDG to AF. and One of the two flights to FRA to LH. Severe downgrade of HNL service and HUGE CARGO LOSS of revenue. Severe Downgrade of TATL cargo and PAX capacity. Try putting the cargo carried on a DC-10 on a 757-200 it would bust in two.or in a A-330 you would be leaving some behind.

I was on a KLM 747-400 traveling from AMS-ORD a NWA A-330 took off 20 minutes ahead of us and we had a 20 minute delay due to loading a horse into the cargo hold we passed it over KEF like it was sitting still.


Any info about this can be publicly extracted from the companies web sites, and press releases and CEO's themselves. Also from your own research on yahoo.


User currently offlineN839MH From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5463 times:

Dude, get over the fact that NWA will be officially gone by Feb 1st!

I will be so greatful to see this merger completed and Delta and NWA
can be one! Next thing which would be even greater and that would be
for the IAM to be kicked out! I've never seen such lies and corruption
and work ethic flaws as I've seen how Unionized NWA employees work
with non-unionized Delta employees.

After seeing the lies published by the IAM newsletter on how their members
are supposedly treated....no wonder so many NWA employees (who don't mind
taking care of the customers) are ready to boot the union out!

As for former NWA customers...but the majority of them that tell us
how they feel about the merger...they say there was a reason they
were called NorthWorst!

Delta is heading in the right direction with the help of a lot of great
employees of both companys and dedication! Delta doesn't need grievence
filing union members onboard. So tired oh hearing "this isn't the wAy
Northwest does it....come on SOC!



Solodude!
User currently offlineJetBlast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5296 times:



Quoting N839MH (Reply 4):
Dude, get over the fact that NWA will be officially gone by Feb 1st!

I will be so greatful to see this merger completed and Delta and NWA
can be one!

And you wonder why NWA does not want to be part of Delta...



Speedbird Concorde One
User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10334 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5207 times:



Quoting NWADC10LUVER (Reply 3):
Management said no jobs would be lost as result of this merger, my math says otherwise.

They said no "frontline" jobs would be lost. This is the first I've heard of (except from you) of NW losing 29,000 jobs. WHERE do you get your figures?


If you are truly an airline historian, as you say you are, you will realize that DL is NOT the great satan that you portray them as.

Quoting NWADC10LUVER (Reply 3):
DL is not using anything that NWA had on the customer side of things like the World Perks Program, World Clubs, World Traveler magazine. These sound a bit more professional than Sky Club, Sky Miles Sky Magazine and could at least have used some of these out of respect of the NWA work group and it's customer base. Also like US keep some birds in previous liveries for retro sake.

It may not seem like DL is using anything of NW's, but you might want to know that they are. For instance, it's not called the World Club, anymore, but neither is it called the Crown Room Club. They changed it to Sky Club, reflecting the best of both. The Sky Magazine has always been an award winner and, in fact, the publishing and printing of it was moved from GSO to MSP when they changed publishers....using the one that NW used for it's magazine.

Quoting NWADC10LUVER (Reply 3):
Severe downgrade of HNL service and HUGE CARGO LOSS of revenue. Severe Downgrade of TATL cargo and PAX capacity. Try putting the cargo carried on a DC-10 on a 757-200 it would bust in two.or in a A-330 you would be leaving some behind.

I was on a KLM 747-400 traveling from AMS-ORD a NWA A-330 took off 20 minutes ahead of us and we had a 20 minute delay due to loading a horse into the cargo hold we passed it over KEF like it was sitting still.

And yet, you forget that, for the time being, DL is keeping the 747-400s.

Quoting NWADC10LUVER (Reply 3):
And it seems funny that the top Management at DL is now all NWA people.

Except for Ed Bastian, Glen Hauenstein, etc.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5118 times:

Quoting N839MH (Reply 4):
So tired oh hearing "this isn't the wAy
Northwest does it....come on SOC!

Strange, I've heard the same thing from DL people quite a bit lately. This merger will go quite a bit smoother as soon as people like yourself get over themselves.

The "DL way" doesn't always equal the "right way."

[Edited 2009-12-21 00:59:05]


"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9266 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5091 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 6):
They said no "frontline" jobs would be lost. This is the first I've heard of (except from you) of NW losing 29,000 jobs. WHERE do you get your figures?

No way NW had 29000 people in MN at the HQ. I do know some folks who didn't move down to Atlanta had to quit/retire but Delta never said that wouldn't happen. 29,000 people haven't lost there jobs.....someones math is off.



yep.
User currently offlinePqdtw From Netherlands, joined Aug 2008, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5070 times:



Quoting NWADC10LUVER (Thread starter):
To the people who are in the trenches at NWA you are what make the airline, the airline.

On behalf of my Northwest colleagues, thank you for your kind words. You hit the nail on the head on quite a number of issues, mostly regarding cutting. We watched our salaries get cut, our hours increased, our service cut or eliminated. I know there are some of my colleagues who gave up and became bitter, but I'm proud to say that most of my co-workers managed to keep a positive outlook and tried to do the best with what we were given. One thing that passengers never see is when there are service cuts, how hard we as employees try to fight that, and advocate on behalf of the passenger. It's a very awkward position because your boss is telling you, 'tough, get over it.' and your customers are saying to you "Why are you so lousy?" I'm sure you can see why some frontline employees didn't have the stamina to put up with it.

Quoting Flydreamliner (Reply 1):
NW is the better for having been folded into the new Delta, and the new Delta is better for having them.

The merger is no tragedy.

Very true. Most of us are very pleased to be joining Delta. There are very few pockets of resistance, but these are very isolated. We're not getting the short end of the stick at all. Delta has treated us very well up until now, and the culture change has certainly been a breath of fresh air.


Again, on behalf of us at Northwest (how many times have I said that on the PA over the years??), thanks for your kind words. You are the type of passenger who makes coming to work great.


User currently offlineFjnovak1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 607 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4927 times:

Since my family lives in metro Detroit, I have probably been on more Northwest planes than any other carrier. Like most Michiganders, I always had a love/hater relationship with NW. There were things you liked (elite upgrades, row 5, lots of on-time arrivals), and things you hated (customer service, old creaky FA's, dirty planes).

But since Northwest still ranks as probably my "primary" airline, and with Delta coming in second and ranking as overall my "favorite" airline, it's worked well for me. Now my preferred carrier is my hometown carrier, serving Detroit.

I will always appreciate the years and years though of Northwest bringing me safely from all the places I've lived (SFO, SAV, LGA, BDL, LAX, SNA, XNA) to Southeast Michigan in all kinds of weather, be it rain, sleet, snow.



Go Blue!!
User currently offlineNWADC10LUVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

Mayor,
as per some other post here on a net do the research, as well as the corporate statements of both carriers, press releases and media statements is where I am getting all of the information from. I AM NOT ANTI DELTA AT ANY POINT just the way that this business transaction took place and how it is just NOT the way to do business in the airline industry. I remember the F/A announcements "on behalf of all 53,000 employees here at NWA we thank you for your business and hope you enjoyed your flight and where ever your destination may take you."
So 53,000 to the 24,000 employees now do the math.
Also Richard Anderson and Douglass Steenland's own mouth in front of congress talk about perjury at the highest level eh?


So has the World Traveler been a awarding inf light magazine.
The WBC has won a lot of awards.
The world perks program came from Republic is my info serves me correct and is award winning as well.
World Clubs are wonderful at least they listened to me and installed showers at DTW for a change in the new terminal.

DL has told NWA/XJ/ and Pinnacle people at DTW not to honor NWA's policies and procedures, Like the customer first pledges installed by the same people who are now the head at DL .

Northworst came about because of the DTW debacle in the snowstorm that caught DTW off guard the decisions that NWA Management made were hideous at best. If the management got out of the way of the employees and let them do their jobs it would be a lot bettrer.

They only want the 747-400 around to move NWA equipment back to the us as the 777 or 767 cannot handle that job, also till a time they can ax that work group off the payroll .


PQDTW,
you are quite welcome. Sure at times I have been a royal pain in the backside all because of my hectic schedule and gave a few of you a few more gray hairs and ulcers and to that I apologize for. Work and pleasure schedule I did not know what end was up at times. Thank you all. If it was not for NWA I do not know who I could count on.

I will say this again NWA weathered the depression bankruptcy and watched other carriers be swallowed up and fail, 9-11 and three giant recessions, high fuel costs and labor issues but they kept going, that is a testament to the upper mid west work ethic and stamina, the employees at NWA kept NWA going. NWA could outlast any US airline I am proud to say.
NWA was the first and will be the last carrier in my opinion.


User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2817 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4613 times:



Quoting JetBlast (Reply 5):

Quoting N839MH (Reply 4):
Dude, get over the fact that NWA will be officially gone by Feb 1st!

I will be so greatful to see this merger completed and Delta and NWA
can be one!

And you wonder why NWA does not want to be part of Delta...

Did I miss something? Was N839MH officially speaking for Delta? Why wouldn't he want to get the merger completed? Mergers are hard, a reality that I, as a veteran of two knows. It's best to get it behind you.

Quoting NWADC10LUVER (Reply 3):
I was on a KLM 747-400 traveling from AMS-ORD a NWA A-330 took off 20 minutes ahead of us and we had a 20 minute delay due to loading a horse into the cargo hold we passed it over KEF like it was sitting still.

So you say, but even if true, so what? Which company made more profit on the route that day? Do you know?

Quoting NWAESC (Reply 7):
Strange, I've heard the same thing from DL people quite a bit lately. This merger will go quite a bit smoother as soon as people like yourself get over themselves.

The "DL way" doesn't always equal the "right way."

I agree. The sooner that people realize there is more than one way to do something, and that either company may have a better idea in a certain area, the quicker and smoother the implementation is done.

Quoting Pqdtw (Reply 9):
Quoting NWADC10LUVER (Thread starter):
To the people who are in the trenches at NWA you are what make the airline, the airline.

On behalf of my Northwest colleagues, thank you for your kind words. You hit the nail on the head on quite a number of issues, mostly regarding cutting. We watched our salaries get cut, our hours increased, our service cut or eliminated. I know there are some of my colleagues who gave up and became bitter, but I'm proud to say that most of my co-workers managed to keep a positive outlook and tried to do the best with what we were given. One thing that passengers never see is when there are service cuts, how hard we as employees try to fight that, and advocate on behalf of the passenger. It's a very awkward position because your boss is telling you, 'tough, get over it.' and your customers are saying to you "Why are you so lousy?" I'm sure you can see why some frontline employees didn't have the stamina to put up with it.

Hey, just to let you know NW employees weren't exactly alone in their sacrifices, and DL employees had more than their share of cuts. But since you are a "Historian of Passenger airlines" you knew that already, right?

Quoting Pqdtw (Reply 9):
Quoting Flydreamliner (Reply 1):
NW is the better for having been folded into the new Delta, and the new Delta is better for having them.

The merger is no tragedy.

Very true. Most of us are very pleased to be joining Delta. There are very few pockets of resistance, but these are very isolated. We're not getting the short end of the stick at all. Delta has treated us very well up until now, and the culture change has certainly been a breath of fresh air.

That is certainly the perception from talking to a large number of crewmembers and employees in my hometown of MSP. It's done: making the best of it is certainly the best way forward. I expect you will have many good years with Delta, and wish you a great career.

Quoting NWADC10LUVER (Reply 11):
Also Richard Anderson and Douglass Steenland's own mouth in front of congress talk about perjury at the highest level eh?

Be specific, please. Making accusations of this nature on a public Internet site is serious, so let's be clear that you have your facts straight.

Quoting NWADC10LUVER (Reply 11):
Mayor,
as per some other post here on a net do the research, as well as the corporate statements of both carriers, press releases and media statements is where I am getting all of the information from. I AM NOT ANTI DELTA AT ANY POINT just the way that this business transaction took place and how it is just NOT the way to do business in the airline industry.

Well for someone who claims in capital letters not to be anti-Delta, the only thing you ever seem to comment on is how bad Delta is. The employees didn't choose the merger, but are by and large making the best of it with good attitudes. If you are culling your numbers from your "historical research", it will be no problem to address Mayor's wholly justified skepticism for you to cite your sources and explain your math. Please show your work.

Quoting NWADC10LUVER (Thread starter):
To the people who are in the trenches at NWA you are what make the airline, the airline. You all deserve better than what is been handed to you as part of this merger with DL.

NWA has been a great airline. So has Delta. Despite what you are spewing regularly here, the vast majority of NWA employees I have spoken with have been open-minded about the merger, with very few openly hostile to it.

Quoting NWADC10LUVER (Thread starter):
I as a passenger and Historian of Passenger airlines Thank you all for your fine work you are the best at doing what you do

If you truly are a historian of passenger airlines as you claim, it would behoove you to attempt being more unbiased, otherwise you come across as nothing more than a propagandist.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9266 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4528 times:



Quoting NWADC10LUVER (Reply 11):
Mayor,
as per some other post here on a net do the research, as well as the corporate statements of both carriers, press releases and media statements is where I am getting all of the information from. I AM NOT ANTI DELTA AT ANY POINT just the way that this business transaction took place and how it is just NOT the way to do business in the airline industry. I remember the F/A announcements "on behalf of all 53,000 employees here at NWA we thank you for your business and hope you enjoyed your flight and where ever your destination may take you."
So 53,000 to the 24,000 employees now do the math.
Also Richard Anderson and Douglass Steenland's own mouth in front of congress talk about perjury at the highest level eh?

I'm going to assume your talking about this: http://milwaukee.bizjournals.com/mil...ee/stories/2009/12/14/daily36.html

In that case they a counting some of NW's people in Delta's numbers. Delta has added a few people but not 7% worth. Most of that is from NW.



yep.
User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4479 times:



Quoting NWADC10LUVER (Reply 11):
Also Richard Anderson and Douglass Steenland's own mouth in front of congress talk about perjury at the highest level eh?



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 12):
Be specific, please. Making accusations of this nature on a public Internet site is serious, so let's be clear that you have your facts straight.

I'm going to guess he's referencing this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp3Yl0Hc_ZQ&feature=related

Quoting PGNCS (Reply 12):
I agree. The sooner that people realize there is more than one way to do something, and that either company may have a better idea in a certain area, the quicker and smoother the implementation is done.

I think we're in the minority-at least that's been my experience.  Sad



"Nothing ever happens here, " I said. "I just wait."
User currently offlineNWADC10LUVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4358 times:

When the passenger airline business went from being a customer driven business to a money grabbing industry this has really hurt the customers and the employees of the company, again I will say this : 1. If you have no customers you will have no business. 2. Also if you do not have your workforce having job satisfaction and respect you will not have and quality employees. Money is not the answer to everything. Money is the root of all problems.

I have many many friends and fellow college graduates working for old DL and DL is a good airline, I have never said DL is a bad airline, just the management needs to understand that if you make statements of promises and guarantees stick by it and do not weasel out of them. Also if you make press releases & public appearances and if you do not want to make things public then do not publish them.or say them ,but we will still find out somehow. And to say that this is the best way to do the merger, I say do you want to buy the Brooklyn Bridge for a penny?

I am not spewing propaganda here just stating facts and to state the other view of things.

PGNCS,
I'd say KLM for having a full flight and a full load of cargo normally this one goes out with max cargo with tulips destined for the Mid west states and Dutch cheese and other vital cargo for the windy city. The 330 was going to DTW half full and the 757 was going to BOS with 1/4 full of pax( the others were smart not to book themselves on a 757 for a 9 hour TATL AMS-BOS flight EEKS! The NWA pilots were using (which I disagree with) the going slow old person Sunday drive flight operation which they invented. I always wondered how a 632 mile flight from BOS-DTW would take 2H15 minutes when the 757 goes 550 miles an hour eh? when in my math 1H 15ish flight gate to gate.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7403 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4222 times:
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Quoting NWADC10LUVER (Thread starter):
To the people who are in the trenches at NWA you are what make the airline, the airline.

Thank you for thanking me.



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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4217 times:



Quoting NWADC10LUVER (Thread starter):
I thank all the Highly Skilled pilots who have flew when no others wanted to, you are the best in the industry.

Just want to double check exactly what makes this statement true?


User currently offlinePqdtw From Netherlands, joined Aug 2008, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4177 times:



Quoting Fjnovak1 (Reply 10):
and things you hated (customer service, old creaky FA's, dirty planes).

I'm getting a little tired of veiled sexist postings on here.

What is this all the time about the public discussing the age of flight attendants anyway? I never hear anyone say, "Oh my God...the tellers at that bank are so old..." "The secretaries at that company are so old!" "The teachers in that school are old." "The cashiers at that store are old." and so on...

What's up with the comments about flight attendants being old? Are we still in the 1960's where we think the flight attendants are there to provide some masturbatory fantasy for the customers? What does it matter how old they are?

If we are able to safely execute the functions of our job, who cares if a flight attendant is 50 or 22? And I can tell you that a lot of my colleagues above 50 have a much better work ethic than those in their 20's...

Regardless of age, there are good young flight attendants and bad young flight attendants. There are good old flight attendants and bad old flight attendants. Let's just give it a rest already.


User currently offlineStratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1651 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4159 times:



Quoting Pqdtw (Reply 18):
If we are able to safely execute the functions of our job, who cares if a flight attendant is 50 or 22?

I agree..But when you have F/A's in their 70's (I know they have to prove they can do the job) But even I have to ask they may not really be the best at evacuating an a/c if it they were tasked to do it in real life. We had mechanics who were in their 70's on the line but they were pretty much worthless. Not much physical they could do at that age. Thankfully a/c evacuations are pretty rare..In fact an F/A may go thier entire career without ever having to do one.



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User currently offlinePqdtw From Netherlands, joined Aug 2008, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4138 times:



Quoting Stratosphere (Reply 19):
I agree..But when you have F/A's in their 70's (I know they have to prove they can do the job) But even I have to ask they may not really be the best at evacuating an a/c if it they were tasked to do it in real life.

The truth is, there are probably less than 8 or 9 flight attendants at Northwest over the age of 70. Just by going down the seniority list, one can see by hire date that it's impossible that there are more than that number. That said, the majority of the flight attendants that the public perceives as 'old' would likely be then those in their 50's and 60's.

Let's take the example of the USAirways 1549 crew and evacuation. This is, without a doubt, one of the most successful "landings"/evacuations on record. What were the ages of the crew members? Sully is 59, the FO is 49; Doreen Welsh, flight attendant age 59, in service since 1970; Sheila Dale, age 58, in service since 1980; and Donna Dent, 52, in service since 1982. I don't hear anyone talking about 'due to their ages' that they weren't able to fulfill the functions of their job. I would hardly call them worthless.

What I would call worthless are my colleagues who have a bad attitude, bad work ethic regardless of their age. I think that would be more appropriate than commenting on someone's age vs. capabilities.


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9266 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4115 times:



Quoting NWAESC (Reply 14):
I think we're in the minority-at least that's been my experience

bleh welcome to Delta.....They have always been this way. there is a right way, wrong way and a Delta way.....doesn't matter if it right wrong or a PITA they are going to do it there way. My hope was they would do things more NW way because more people from NW were moving over but it seems like they just jumped on the Delta ship.



yep.
User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10334 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4012 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 21):
bleh welcome to Delta.....They have always been this way. there is a right way, wrong way and a Delta way.....doesn't matter if it right wrong or a PITA they are going to do it there way. My hope was they would do things more NW way because more people from NW were moving over but it seems like they just jumped on the Delta ship.

Why do you keep answering as though you've worked for DL?

Truth be known, the Delta way worked for many, many years and made them very profitable (no matter what MSNDC9 says). I've never known DL to not listen to me when I had a better idea and many times they used the ideas.

I think it's more a generational thing with the younger workers, now. They don't seem to be as inclined to follow the rules as us older ones do. I noticed much of that sort of change at DL before I retired. Take uniform and grooming rules for instance. I saw much of that slack off over the years and complaints from those that didn't want to comply. I always wondered how they could complain when they knew what the rules were when they signed on.

Ok...rant over.

BTW, why would they necessarily do more things the NW way than the DL way? All things being equal, there would be more DL people to retrain than there would be NW people.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineNWADC10LUVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

Swiftski,
I have been in airports where all airlines are at and the only one who was flying was the red tail during bad weather ops, other airlines canceled or waited for the red tail to pave the way. The NWA crews pioneered severe weather flying - they had to as most of their operations are in the Northern part of the United States and over the Alaskan territory in which have some of the most extreme flying conditions out there. It is a wonder that DTW and MSP can operate and ORD/MDW always goes down with the first snowflake or raindrop.


As the slogan goes "follow the red tail" "follow the red tail". And Some People Just Know How To Fly-Northwest Airlines a copyrighted trademark used as a example- I miss that song.
Any one have that recording I would love to obtain a copy of it.

JetJack74,
you are quite welcome. You NWA crews deserve better than this backwards merger/takeover.
Management did you wrong for years.

Mayor,
No wonder there are more DL people , DL/NWA exec's gutted NWA ranks to make NWA the weaker part of the operation and have less leverage in this. Also DL profitable they are still in BK protection are they not? and over the past four years shed its ranks as well.

PQDTW,
People just want young thin short flight attendants, I say this is a safety hazard since most cannot reach the overhead bins to close them or place a bag in the overhead bins without stepping on the seat or asking a passenger for help. I say a larger bodied person who can lift more than a piece of paper and could withstand a physical attack would be the better option especially now, looks are not always the best option, the ability to do the job 100 percent of time would be recommended. And before I get lambasted I am not bashing short people I am saying If you cannot reach the roof of the cabin and lift over 100 pounds the job is not for you since some exit doors can weight over 80 pounds. I am 6'6" and 275 pounds and I fit easily down the aisle and can lift jump stoop crawl and other requirements to be a excellent flight attendant, I was laughed out of one airline's recruiting event they said there is no way you can do the job I say otherwise.


User currently offlineAirbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3871 times:

All this talk of "a breath of fresh air" bla bla bla...I don't know which wind you are talking about but it sure ain't the same as the wind Bob Dylan once sang about. But that was of course a different time and a different era.. one in which the romance of aviation still existed.

Fact of the matter is: Yes, the NW/DL merger is a good business move for both companies, more specifically, for the stockholders.

I just wish the new DAL moving forward would try bring back some of the joys of the aviation industry. Although I'm pretty sure that wind of change won't be blowing my way anytime soon because all that the bozones in the adminisphere care about is only one thing - the bottomline.

Dear God, why was I born in the wrong era? I'm nostalgic about a time that I never even lived through.


25 NWADC10LUVER : Airbuske, See this is one of the problems I have with having shareholders putting their noses where they do not belong. First the company has to answe
26 Kaiarahi : Ever heard about wind? Airspeed is not groundspeed.
27 FX1816 : You really don't get it about business?? The shareholders OWN the company. Yes upper management has to answer to the share holders because they are t
28 Sbworcs : But it would seem that it is going quite well for DL / NW so it is evidently the RIGHT way to do business in the airline industry for them. It may no
29 Mayor : Sorry, wrong on almost every count. Not a very good track record for you, a self professed "airline historian". Maybe it's time to go back to school,
30 Viscount724 : It is impossible for a 747 to catch up to an A330 with a 20 minute head start in only 1103 nm (AMS-KEF). That would mean the block time for the 747 A
31 Transpac787 : The argument of crew rest procedures on long-haul between NW/DL is a fantastic example of DL not listening to a voice other than their own, as DL's c
32 Daysleeper : I’m sure those onboard AA1420 appreciate NWA encouraging operating in dangerous conditions. I really don’t think gambling with peoples life’s f
33 Kaiarahi : Really? Try telling that to the Canadian airlines flying regularly into the arctic, including First Air and Canadian North flying 737s into gravel st
34 SkyguyB727 : What is your source? Virtually all of the NWA folks I've talked to are hoping to keep the union in place. They like the idea of defined work rules, l
35 NWADC10LUVER : Mayor, I will say it again 53,000 employees now 24,000 see posts on a net and DL dot com press releases they say NWA will bring in 24,000 employees. A
36 Simairlinenet : According to my company's annual reports (http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=71481&p=NWASEC&control_selectgroup=Annual%20Filings): ...as of D
37 Daysleeper : Yes it was little rock. And yes “Get-There-itus” played a part. What was more interesting was the study conducted after on pilot behaviour when c
38 Zkeye : This is one of the silliest posts that I have ever seen on A.net. I suggest you do some research into the world of business. Are you really an airlin
39 FX1816 : You REALLY don't understand business pal. First owning even one share of stock in a company means you own that small percentage of the company so yes
40 PPVRA : There is no airline without investors. There is no airline without customers. There is no airline without employees. There is no airline with your lo
41 Simairlinenet : Not just pre-merger, but pre-bankruptcy and pre-2001. The way you write it, you imply that the blame is Delta and management's. So Northwest was gutt
42 NWADC10LUVER : Simairliner, If I would say who's behind it without actually saying it, well um I'd be lambasted again by some. I do think that something smells and i
43 FX1816 : You have shown and proven nothing except that you don't have the first clue as to how the airline industry and business in general work. FX1816
44 Alitalia744 : This entire thread, apart from Thanking the years of dedicated service NWA employees provided to NWA and their customers, is a moot point. The merger
45 Daysleeper : I’m sorry, but I’m new here and although I have now read this thread in its entirety twice I still can’t work out what you’re trying to say h
46 Mayor : Your lack of knowledge of how the airline industry works, astounds me. Pilots do not file their own flight plans or even plan them......that is done
47 Stratosphere : You're damn right this merger was planned and many years ago too. Long before any one was wise to it thats for sure. There are too many things that h
48 Daysleeper : So thats a yes on the tin foil then? Thanks for the info though, it makes a bit more sence now.
49 CODC10 : This guy is a riot! Oh please, DL is no better or worse than any carrier during irrops, save for US or some of the lo-cos. I was traveling this weeke
50 Camiloa380 : I will miss this airline really much!! I can easly say they treated me like a king CamiloA380
51 USPIT10L : I honestly think NWADC10LUVER is really Kahala777/LHR001/SFOMalpensa reborn. Just ignore the troll and he will go away.
52 Post contains links Mayor : I never said they were. My response was to his assertion that NW always gets in and out during bad weather while no one else does, yada, yada, yada..
53 Nwaesc : Regarding winter ops, I will say that DL made the intelligent move (in my admittedly biased opinion) of adopting NW's deicing policies/procedures. Ver
54 Mayor : Regarding that, who at NW does the deicing, ramp or mx? At DL it used to be mx, but changed to the ramp which I always thought was a bad move. When t
55 NWAESC : The ramp does it. In the hubs, they have separate bid locations for it. At the line stations, it requires a bit of alchemy to keep things rolling. LOL
56 Mayor : I know.....when I worked at SLC, pre DL/WA merger, we had to do the de-icing and most everything else, too..............equipment repair, cabin servi
57 NWADC10LUVER : Stratsosphere, I am thankful there is more than one here who know the TRUTH about the DL/NWA merger. All others here have been brainwashed by the lawy
58 FX1816 : You've got to be kidding me you are really WAAAAAAAYYYY out in left field my friend. Oh by the way the FAA can't do anything about the merger, they a
59 Mayor : If you talk like you write, it would be difficult to have a conversation with you, in my opinion. You still haven't told me exactly who you think own
60 CODC10 : I love vacillation. Sounds like you really don't have a clue what you're talking about. Face it, NW was a mostly below-average operation prior to the
61 NWADC10LUVER : Mayor and FX1816, FAA/DOT same thing DOT is the mother agency of FAA. if the FAA sees something wrong you think they would not have an obligation to t
62 FX1816 : Sorry pal they are not the same thing, as Mayor said the FAA deals with operational issues not business end like a merger. Second I work for the FAA
63 Nycbjr : He writes like one too.. did you see his first inflammatory thread a week ago about using new airplanes for new flights? seems its been deleted... I
64 FX1816 : Yeah I would have to agree with you. He talks about wanting to be fair and be able to get his point out without anyone shooting him down yet continue
65 NWADC10LUVER : Nycbjr, The posting you are referring to was trying to say Most people on here and everywhere else seem to think that If a plane is more than a day ol
66 JBirdAV8r : Well first of all that doesn't make any sense. Agree 100%. ....??? You're only looking at one side of the equation. Airlines DON'T upgrade simply bec
67 Simairlinenet : My paycheck says Northwest Airlines through January 7. SOC is expected on December 31. Also, please remember that the merger was legally consummated
68 Mandala499 : My-oh-My... isn't this a warm christmas prelude???? Who legally owns a company? The owners, they care called the shareholders. You can have 1,2,3,4,5,
69 Nwaesc : I assure you that that's *one* thing that hasn't changed since you split. It never fails to piss me off when people talk about how folks in small sta
70 FX1816 : That was one of the best posts regarding this whole thing, THANK YOU!!! FX1816
71 NWADC10LUVER : Mandala, When Bill Gates Started Microsoft Did he automatically have stock on the NYSE-NO! He was the one he had to answer to. When The founders/owner
72 Transpac787 : For the federal govt to certify the 757 for overland operations is putting the traveling public at risk. For the federal govt to certify the A300,330
73 NWADC10LUVER : Transpac, Those aircraft are fine for overland operations 300,330,757,767,777 the others L1011 md11, dc10 747 and A340 are for over water operations a
74 Srbmod : This thread has veered well off-topic, and to clean it up would gut the thread. As a result, this thread is being locked.
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