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RUMOR: DL To Move DC-9-50s To MCO; Battle FL, G4  
User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3829 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 16931 times:

Just when you thought the AllegianTran fight for Mickey Mouse couldn't get any nastier, here (possibly) comes Delta.

I spoke to a DL (ex-NW) pilot who predicted the DL/NW merger and the DL/US DCA/LGA slot swap on the spot, and he told me a new, but plausible rumor: Before the DC-9-50s are all melted away into Coke cans and MacBook Pros and while DL buys a bunch of MD-90s (the Chinese ones and possibly the ex-Saudia ones that would need cockpit modifications), DL will send the DC-9-50s to MCO to do battle with Allegiant and AirTran. Given Delta's (and this pilot's) strong distate for AirTran, he's cheering on the idea.

The strategy would work like this:
-DL sends DC-9-50s to MCO (no word on crew base)
-DC-9-50s fly from MCO to former NW heartland markets, competing against G4 and/or FL
-DL starts price war, matching G4 and/or FL fares and maybe double SkyMiles
-If you followed the NW "heartland strategy", you know what's next

Sure, the new DL has the cost structure to survive a fare war... but will passengers choose DL over FL or G4? And what will happen to already skinny jean-thin yields? If it happens, it should be interesting...


"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
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User currently onlineVctony From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 16895 times:

DL already tried this once with Delta Express and 737-200s. US tried this once with MetroJet and 737-200s. UA tried this with Shuttle by United and TED with 737-300s, 737-500s, and A320s. DL also tried Song with 757-200s. This strategy doesn't work.

User currently offlineStratosphere From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1653 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16799 times:

I am rooting for AirTran


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User currently offlineLH417AF025 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16799 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Thread starter):
NW "heartland strategy",

What was that??

Quoting Vctony (Reply 1):

DL already tried this once with Delta Express and 737-200s. US tried this once with MetroJet and 737-200s. UA tried this with Shuttle by United and TED with 737-300s, 737-500s, and A320s. DL also tried Song with 757-200s. This strategy doesn't work.

We all know that the airline within an airline deal doesn't work. The way I read the post there is no reference to that. It is speculation that Delta will try to make Orlando a "focus city" in response to AirTran / Allegiant

[Edited 2009-12-20 15:04:09 by srbmod]

User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16741 times:



Quoting Vctony (Reply 1):
DL already tried this once with Delta Express and 737-200s. US tried this once with MetroJet and 737-200s. UA tried this with Shuttle by United and TED with 737-300s, 737-500s, and A320s. DL also tried Song with 757-200s. This strategy doesn't work.

Continental Lite had a nice presence in Florida as well.


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16741 times:



Quoting Vctony (Reply 1):
DL also tried Song with 757-200s. This strategy doesn't work.

Airline-within-an-airline doesn't work but pushing cheap inventory with perks (like mileage advantages) works.

At least the way I read the post, it seems plausable: DL converts routes to D95s &/or adds new routes with the D95 -- relatively cheap to operate since they're paid for. DL then sells those seats -- as Delta flights -- at fares on parity with or slightly less than their competitors; if that's not enough add on double SkyMiles, EQM promos, etc. until someone cries for mercy (either DL or the competition).

I'm not sure it would actually be profitable (is anything any airline does?) but it would potentially gain market share, offer a similar product (D95 v. 717/M80) and generally be an effort to prove to someone who's boss.

Lincoln



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16691 times:



Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 3):
Quoting FWAERJ (Thread starter):
NW "heartland strategy",

what was that??

Adding a bunch of low-yielding, leisure-heavy markets with little or no success. FNTMCO, FNTTPA, GRRTPA, GRRMCO, MSNLAS, FARLAS, FSDLAS and FNTLAS come readily to mind, along with beefing up schedules at midwestern airports like IND and MKE to remove low-cost or niche threats like ATA and Midwest.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3829 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16665 times:



Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 3):

Quoting FWAERJ (Thread starter):
NW "heartland strategy",

what was that??

Read here:

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 5):
DL then sells those seats -- as Delta flights -- at fares on parity with or slightly less than their competitors; if that's not enough add on double SkyMiles, EQM promos, etc. until someone cries for mercy (either DL or the competition).




"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16664 times:

Seems like a way to just bleed money. CASMs might be low, but RASMs aren't going to be stellar either. I'd like to think there are better routes where more revenue can be had rather than going against AirTran/Allegiant in an all-out war.

User currently offlineElBandGeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16617 times:

This could prove interesting if true. DL has an historically heavy MCO presence and if this happens things could get a tad crowded in Airside 4 (unless they convince FL to move back to A2 and take over the gates B6 is leaving). IIRC, back in the days where it was a full-fledged hub they took up at least all of the 70s they're in now plus the 80s where FL is (not to mention the 60s for OH which they're using for RONs now).

Part of me thinks it probably won't happen though, because wasn't the main reason they pulled down the hub to begin with was WN and FL trashing yields? (now you have both of them plus B6 and G4 added in the mix) however if the D95s aren't doing for them what they need them to, and just want to put them SOMEWHERE for a few years until they phase them out, I guess it's a good spot (and then FL will have a field day with their "why would you fly on such an old plane" commercials)


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16587 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 8):
Seems like a way to just bleed money.

Same thing they (NWA) did in MKE and IND. You'd think by now airlines would learn not to dump capacity into low-yielding leisure markets like MCO en masse. DL's tried this stuff about four times already. I thought the biggest purpose of buying NWA was to get away from that crap and focus on competing with AA and UA for trancontinental business traffic and international feed through DL's and NW's hubs.



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5310 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16585 times:

The difference between what DL is doing now versus, DL Express, Metrojet, CO Lite, and Ted is that DL will run regular DC-9-50 with first class cabins and not an all coach configuration . None of the others who tried to take on LCCs had a first class cabin, and Allegient is very no frills in terms of service. Competing with Air Tran is somewhat more balanced, since it offers two classes of service.

Will this work? Who knows. One thing to remember that while MCO is certainly a leisure destination, it's also a huge convention city. I know many people who have gone to Orlando for a convention, either at a Disney hotel or otherwise, on expense accounts.

Assuming that the economy does start to recover in 2010, and businesses start to relax restrictions on travel, this could be perfect timing on DL's part.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3829 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16553 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 6):
FNTMCO, FNTTPA, GRRTPA, GRRMCO, MSNLAS, FARLAS, FSDLAS and FNTLAS come readily to mind, along with beefing up schedules at midwestern airports like IND and MKE to remove low-cost or niche threats like ATA and Midwest.

A couple of business markets out of DCA and LGA come to mind as well(can't remember which ones, though).

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 8):
I'd like to think there are better routes where more revenue can be had rather than going against AirTran/Allegiant in an all-out war.

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I don't like the idea personally, but DL has so many planes and routes that they can afford such a fight.



"Did he really need the triple bypass? Or was it the miles?"
User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16527 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 12):
A couple of business markets out of DCA and LGA come to mind as well(can't remember which ones, though).

Actually, LGA and DCA are often the best O&D markets for local traffic anywhere, particularly in state capitals like DSM, MSN and LAN. Oftentimes they were just slot-holders, but it's better than wasting it completely.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16494 times:



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 5):
At least the way I read the post, it seems plausable: DL converts routes to D95s &/or adds new routes with the D95 -- relatively cheap to operate since they're paid for. DL then sells those seats -- as Delta flights -- at fares on parity with or slightly less than their competitors; if that's not enough add on double SkyMiles, EQM promos, etc. until someone cries for mercy (either DL or the competition).

Between FL and G4, AirTran would be able to match any such promos, as they've done so in the past. Allegiant lacks a frequent flier program, and they really cannot divert too much away from their business model. The only things they could do is run some package promos that include free or deeply discounted room nights, perhaps rental car deals (X% off or buy X amount of days and get X day(s) free) or maybe throw in attraction tickets. Those sort of deal could really cut into their company's revenue stream.

Allegiant's move from SFB to MCO has the potential to rank up there with WestPac's move from COS to DEN in terms of bad business decisions.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1042 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16400 times:



Quoting ElBandGeek (Reply 9):
IIRC, back in the days where it was a full-fledged hub they took up at least all of the 70s they're in now plus the 80s where FL is

FL is not in the 80s. They are in the 90s according to www.airtran.com

Why would they take part in such a low yield competition between FL and G4. At least this way, FL is leaving ATL alone, which is DL's biggest pet peeve with FL.

Quoting ElBandGeek (Reply 9):
(not to mention the 60s for OH which they're using for RONs now).

Maybe they can repaint the tarmac a bit and use some of the 60s for the D95s? They could use some usage and since a DC-9 is relatively low to the ground compared to 757s and 737s, they could use one of those portable ramps that airports without jetways use (like HGR for G4 or CMH and SGJ used for the short-lived SkyBus). Does DL even lease/own the 60s anymore or are they completely vacant?



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9818 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16378 times:

DL hasn't been able to beat FL in other markets, and since FL has a lower CASM than DL, especially while operating the older DC-9s compared to 717s, I don't understand the point of going at war with lower cost airlines. The only way it could work is if DL outspent them, and took losses to get market share but I just can't imagine FL backing down. It's almost impossible to beat FL in a price war since FL's CASM is about 30% less. And even if DL did win, they would not be able to raise prices to cover their costs. As soon as they try to increase prices, another lower cost airline will be right there to take advantage of the revenue opportunity.


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User currently offlineElBandGeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16354 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 15):
FL is not in the 80s. They are in the 90s according to www.airtran.com

My mistake, I was thinking the internationals were the 90s (which I think FL also uses at least one of during peak at times)


User currently offlineBillReid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16321 times:

Unlikely scenario unless you are a pilot with too much time on his hands. If DL was to take on the Allegiant-tran battle then it would make FAR more sense to wait until a winner emerges, if there would be one.

What in heavens name would DL gain by jumping into a battle over third tier airports.
I think this pilot needs to get a life, or let the planning remain with the planning folks.



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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16213 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 14):
Between FL and G4, AirTran would be able to match any such promos, as they've done so in the past.

Yes, but DL would be in the position to market better "value" for any FQTV promo -- as much as I hate the airline based on my experiences with their customer "service" -- there are many ways to position the FQTV program as an advantage even without doubling, etc.

Does FL offer an "elite" status level/"free" domestic upgrades? [I honestly don't know]; who has the bigger route network (and therefore who can get you "further" with miles)? Can you use FL miles on anyone else's metal?

It's not about killing the competition just wounding them...

Lincoln
(Someone sitting on 250k+ miles in SkyMiles from 9 years with NW... now just bumping miles that direction from HHonors to keep them fresh just in case some day my need to get somewhere badly enough to overcome my hatred... it is one of their strong suits)



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6733 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16121 times:



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 19):
there are many ways to position the FQTV program as an advantage even without doubling, etc.

Maybe, but the people flying to MCO on carriers like G4 and FL aren't all that excited by miles. Most of them don't fly enough to get any real benefits from miles, upgrades,etc.

This idea just sounds ridiculous. I guess if DL really wants to lose money they can do it, but it's not going to kill FL or G4.


User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2858 posts, RR: 48
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16103 times:



Quoting BillReid (Reply 18):
What in heavens name would DL gain by jumping into a battle over third tier airports.
I think this pilot needs to get a life, or let the planning remain with the planning folks.

Don't believe every rumor offered by a pilot. We normally don't have any insight into future strategic moves.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16065 times:



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 19):
Does FL offer an "elite" status level/"free" domestic upgrades? [I honestly don't know]; who has the bigger route network (and therefore who can get you "further" with miles)? Can you use FL miles on anyone else's metal?

Yes, there is AirTran Elite (only one level) but it does include upgrades now (came into the program a year or so ago). Delta has the much larger network (the only true partner AirTran has is Frontier); that being said, AirTran does have awards where you can redeem points and AirTran will buy you a ticket on another airline, good worldwide. There is a points premium (ie, a normal FL lower-48 r/t costs 20 points; on another airline it's 32 points), but gives some flexibility.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1042 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15881 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 16):
DL hasn't been able to beat FL in other markets,

DAB comes to mind.



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User currently offlineCrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 15636 times:

So if this happened, would this be the first time that someone tried to take on G4 on a somewhat large scale? G4 pretty much has no competitors in their niche, and that's part of their long term strategy. Granted, there was, for example, AS starting Bellingham to Las Vegas service but that's relatively small scale I'd say.

25 MPDPilot : I think maybe the reason DL has never been successful at this is that it lacks the aircraft to properly compete. Not to say this is going to work but
26 Steeler83 : When talking about NW heartland markets, IND and MKE came to mind immediately for me. They wouldn't consider PIT as well, would they? I'd have mixed
27 Toltommy : Maybe the point isn't to beat FL. Perhaps G4 is the target. The years have shown FL and DL can coexist. The G4 business model works, until it has dir
28 NASCARAirforce : No room for extra planes. Delta and Northwest share the 70s gates and they frequently run out of gate space there. I do assign gates to the internati
29 FATFlyer : Probably the largest so far has been when NW tried to beat Allegiant on non-stop "Heartland" to LAS markets back in 2005. NW added flights a few days
30 MAH4546 : Montego Bay does not pre-clear, Aruba does.[Edited 2009-12-20 19:53:15]
31 Enilria : What's next is Delta loses a ton of money and gives up like they did when they launched an attack on Allegiant out of LAS to the Heartland markets. N
32 CODCA09 : Let me guess your pilot friend flies DC9-50s and really wants to be based somewhere warm like MCO. Can you share with us some of this pilot's other i
33 Indy : I just don't see this happening. Why would DL throw away good money to fight over MCO? What is the point? The yields are bad and the competition is fi
34 Crosswinds21 : Haha, yes, I remember that. I was at LAS in either 2005 or 2006 and I saw a NW flight from FAR at the baggage carousel. At that time, I wasn't as muc
35 Nwarooster : Delta may be one of the dumbest airlines around. This may have something to do with the fact that most of the NEW Delta's upper management is from No
36 BMI727 : Ego, and it wouldn't be the first time either. I've posted a couple times about what I think is a poor strategy for DL in central Illinois that seems
37 MPDPilot : In some markets. I know MSN had both for a while and Allegiant was the first to go then NW followed suit. Allegiant is by no means the best at this.
38 DeltaL1011man : huh? DL is kicking FL's a** in Atlanta. Delta will be up 1000+ flights again in S10 and FL will be down to just a hair above 200 flights. DL is growi
39 BMI727 : I have suspected for a while that FL adding Allegiant style flights was a way of hedging against domination by DL. Whether it works or not remains to
40 TISTPAA727 : Will DL do this? Who knows. Like the OP said, its just a rumor he heard from a pilot. Exactly. And, if DL packages this with double miles or Medallion
41 Nwaesc : First they need to not lose sight of the current Heartland strategy. Seems like a bit of an afterthought these days... BTW, for those that may not kn
42 AVLAirlineFreq : If this were to happen, what would be most interesting is the selection of markets for implmentation of such a strategy. Would DL truly compete head t
43 DCA-ROCguy : This idea just sounds ridiculous. I guess if DL really wants to lose money they can do it, but it's not going to kill FL or G4. This sounds like one o
44 CODCA09 : If this is true and Delta has all these DC9-50s they apparently don't know what to do with why not base them in ATL and upgrade service on the many F
45 NASCARAirforce : We had thought originally that Aruba was going to preclear - but we just received the bad news from Customs/Immigration at MCO that this FL Aruba fli
46 WA707atMSP : Ever since the DL / WA merger 23 years ago, DL has added flights at LAX several times, only to drop them when competition from WN / UA / AA caused DL
47 STT757 : I hope for the sake of the Central Florida tourism industry (which is the driving economic engine there) I hope this is true, it would hopefully lead
48 Xdlx : The Orlando market can be operated with better margins with smaller planes. History lesson #1) DLXpress, Metrojet, Airtran...etc. History lesson#2) DL
49 FATFlyer : In some of the LAS markets G4 and NW did compete, and eventually NW pulled out leaving them to G4. But that didn't happen in MSN. But MSN lost Allegi
50 Jetlanta : I can't wait for the day a few years from now when people start discussing how Delta "almost" did this, as if it were fact.
51 Tsnamm : CALite nearly destroyed the company too...a real bad idea id DL tries the sub-caarier idea.
52 CODCA09 : The reason Delta does this now is because the yields are so low to FLA they can't make money there anymore but they can't just stop flying there eith
53 USPIT10L : PIT was actually considered briefly, along with MCI for a third focus city in the midwest. I'd say it's pretty safe to assume PIT never got beyond th
54 The777Man : Not true; Shuttle By United had First Class. UA kept First on Shuttle to diffirentiate themselves from WN. The777Man
55 NASCARAirforce : Hasn't this been tried twice and pretty much failed? First with Delta Express then Song? Then they also tried it with Comair/Chautauqua/Freedom using
56 Atlwest1 : The simple reason why Airtran isnt growing Atl has nothing to do with Delta beating them which is FAR fromn the truth. It has to do with simple Physic
57 AvConsultant : I love how the .Netter's start threads from rumors. DL has stated the 2010 focus will be International. Richard Anderson has, repeatedly, commented DL
58 Quickmover : Gates are available in MCO and FL is a well know carrier down there, but MCO isn't the best place for connections geographicly. Too much backtracking
59 Atlwest1 : I totally agree with you. Ive always thought the gates used by FL in MCO are underutilized. I would like to see MCO to Las Lax Sfo and Phx come onlin
60 JBAirwaysFan : I personally don't think that DL is anywhere close to doing this. Especially not when they are waiting on the LGA/DCA slot swap approval. If this is a
61 Steeler83 : They really considered that? How long ago was that? I also think it's a safe bet to assume such. I do think PIT has the market for it -- a focus city
62 USPIT10L : 2004, but it's really redundant now that NWA is part of DL. Even if it had happened, DL would've dismantled it almost immediately, given PIT's close
63 Cubsrule : The other problem with the D95s is that they don't have infinite range; of the traditional "heartland" markets, only IND is reachable from MCO with a
64 DeltaL1011man : I don't believe Delta had a pilot base in MCO. Just covered by the ATL base, the FAs still have a base in MCO.
65 NASCARAirforce : Not for Delta they aren't - Delta shares the 70s wing with the Northwest operation - the planes of Northwest may wear Delta colors, but those flights
66 Steeler83 : Well, all that ACAA garbage aside, I'm saying that PIT has a market/cachement that I think would support a focus city operation. In a nutshell, we bo
67 USPIT10L : Back to the central argument, I doubt DL needs to get involved in trashing US' (and FL's) yields on PHLMCO, or any other low-yielding routes from MCO
68 AvConsultant : DL had a size able crew base in MCO. In the late 90's the base moved to DL Express with mainline returning to other bases. The Express base was close
69 DeltAirlines : During the peak days of Delta Express (when all 737-200s were on DLX routes), MCO had a 737 pilot base (someone can correct me on this, but I think a
70 Wjcandee : Maybe, but it also fails just as often. Remember when AA tried to take on JetBlue by offering Triple Miles and/or a Free Ticket if you flew them at a
71 Wjcandee : Also, let's review one other point: Dc9s are not "paid for". There are ongoing capital costs from replacement of rotable parts as well as compliance w
72 Wjcandee : Really? Is that how one measures whose tail is being kicked? Number of FLIGHTS? I think the Airtran shareholders (i.e. owners) would rather that succ
73 AvConsultant : That is a good point. FL has become very aggressive since Joe Leonard retired. The one thing I question regarding FL, are they taking the same path a
74 Surfdog75 : And nobody would give a rat's butt as long as the ticket price was the lowest. This idea will never happen though. Delta had the MCO market in the la
75 Post contains links AvConsultant : DL cost structure in the mid - late 90's increased where they were unable to economically compete with WN. DL had no choice to concede MCO because th
76 Surfdog75 : The Song product basically became a template for the current DL domestic product. Just add first class and take away the green. I think the demise of
77 JBAirwaysFan : Or Song. Delta Express went away as Song started taking over their routes. One of the only stations that lost Delta Express and did not gain song (th
78 MAH4546 : Far from it. Delta Express flew all over the Northeast and Midwest, including Washington-Reagan, Providence, Oklahoma City, Harrisburg, Albany, Syrac
79 Post contains links N702ML : At its peak, Delta Express was also serving destinations like Albany, Buffalo, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Louisville, Nashville, Providenc
80 AvConsultant : Correct which was not the intentions for Song. The Song product developed from JetBlue. Unfortunately, DL did not utilize the correct platform. While
81 JBAirwaysFan : Never said ISP was THE only one. I said it was the only one I could think of. But instead of Song taking over, WN took a few of them. DLX served ISP
82 N702ML : With all due respect, WN didn't "take" anything from Delta Express. The vast majority of Delta Express routes were started because WN was ALREADY fly
83 JBAirwaysFan : Oh that's right. Forgot about that. Couldn't remember when WN extended into ALB and others.
84 HVNandrew : DL Connection/Big Sky also operated B1900s from BOS into ISP 2-3x daily up until early 2008 as well.
85 DeltaRules : CMH never saw Song.
86 FWAERJ : IND never saw Song, either... it was downgraded to DL Connection and then cut.
87 747fan : DL Express flew 732's from MCO to SDF back in the 90's, I never flew them but remember seeing them in action. Somebody already mentioned BNA and IND,
88 USAirALB : CO-Continental Lite DL-DLXpress/Song UA- United Shuttle/Ted US-MetroJet NW-? AA-None There is a common problem with most of these cities. WN. Take AL
89 DLDTW1962 : I'm for DL. If they can damage G4. More power to them. B6, and Airtran are going to be a little harder to deal with. Go Delta.
90 DeltaMD90 : I think legacies should stick to fighting legacies... it's what they do best. The only real successes legacies had over LCCs involved a lot of money..
91 BMI727 : That would be okay if the LCCs only fought LCCs. But the discount carriers are moving in on the legacies' turf and they have no choice to fight back.
92 PSU.DTW.SCE : I go away for a week and look what nonsense rumors sprout up. We all know how these I heard from a pilot's roommate's garbageman about ....... This on
93 KcrwFlyer : I was thinking the same thing. My mouth flies open every time I see this thread make its way back to the top of the forum. Just to keep the gag going
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Rumor: CO To Axe CLE-LHR In 2010 posted Thu Dec 3 2009 12:56:33 by Falcon84
DL To Announce Additional Service To LHR posted Wed Dec 2 2009 15:20:17 by DL747400
Rumor:DL To Add Larger Planes Out Of MLI posted Thu Aug 9 2007 22:19:36 by Acey559
Rumor - LH To Move Moscow Ops from SVO To DME posted Mon Jul 2 2007 18:54:27 by Addd
Rumor: DL Pilots Close To Agreement? posted Mon Apr 10 2006 21:19:37 by LawnDart
DL Mainline Vs. Song To MCO posted Fri Jan 27 2006 21:00:02 by DL4EVR
DL To Move To DTW Worldgateway 3/30/05 posted Thu Mar 24 2005 04:45:18 by PSU.DTW.SCE
DL MD-11 Inbound To MCO posted Sat May 24 2003 16:26:01 by HlywdCatft
Allegiant To Serve MCO posted Mon Nov 30 2009 19:15:59 by KingCavalier