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User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12662 times:
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Welcome to the 22nd Installment..
We have decided to change the format of the thread...As the aviation industry expands, we will dedicate threads to carriers serving Jamaica...

We will start with US..



US Airways, Inc., an operating unit of US Airways Group, is the fifth largest airline in the United States. A member of the Star Alliance, it has a fleet of 353 mainline jet aircraft and 319 regional jet and turbo-prop aircraft connecting 200 destinations in North America, Central America, the Caribbean, Hawaii, and Europe. As of December 2008, US Airways employs 33,765 people worldwide and operates 3,130 daily flights (1,312 US Airways Mainline, 1,818 US Airways Express as of December 2008). The airline merged with America West Airlines in 2005 and the combined airline retained the US Airways name.

US Airways operates hubs in Charlotte, Philadelphia and Phoenix. US Airways also maintains focus city operations at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport in Washington, DC, McCarran International Airport in Las Vegas, LaGuardia Airport in New York, and Logan International Airport in Boston.

The airline operates the US Airways Shuttle, a US Airways brand which provides hourly service between key Northeastern markets. Regional airline service is branded as US Airways Express, operated by contract and subsidiary airline companies..



US started services to MBJ in the mid 90s with Boeing 737 service to CLT..Services were quickly expanded to PHL and BWI..
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d152/340-600/AMS092.jpg

In 2004 KIN was inaugurated to expand international services from FLL..This expansion was short lived...Also, past services were extended drom RDU and PIT to MBJ..


US serves MBJ from CLT,PHL,BOS and most recently PHX..
CLT is served with a B762,A319,B752 and A320 mix..
PHL is served with a B752,A321,B734 and A319 Mix..
BOS is served with an A319..
PHX is a dedicated A319 route..

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x315/yardieindubai/USAirwaysEaglesPlane.jpg

In other local news..
Mr Golding announced the new preferred bidder for JM is Caribbean Airlines..
Lets continue our healthy debate..
More news can be found in old thread..http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4616941/









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User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12721 times:
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Quoting JM079 (Reply 218):
Quoting Caymanair (Reply 215):


The decision that was taken last year to open the Jamaica thread was base on what we saw as Jamaica as a vibrant and strong brand. We have a thriving tourism and aviation sector which warrants its own thread. Our suspicious has been confirmed time and time again with the arrival of new carriers and other tourism and aviation related industries.

But to be fair, and it is accurate statement as the Caribbean Thread is not really a Caribbean Thread as the discussions are dominated by Trinidad and about Caribbean Airlines.

Information about the other islands and what is happening there in terms of tourism and aviation - rarely scene.

So, a merge of the both threads will merely be a Jamaica and Trinidad discussion- we already had that.

I believe a combined thread will be a stifle each other...
We have to learn to expand our horizons..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 219):
1/ IMF ORDERS AIR JAMAICA TO BE CLOSED IN THREE MONTHS TIMES

2/ INDIGO DEAL WITH AIR JAMAICA WOULD INCREASE DEBT OF THE COUNTRY
country would have to come up with 400million USD

3/ INDIGO WANTS JAMAICA TO PAY RENTAL FOR NORTH AMERICAN ROUTE

4/ INDIGO WANTS TO CHANGE THE NAME TO SPIRIT OF JAMAICA.

5/ TRINIDAD WANT TO CHANGE AIR JAMAICA NAME

6/ CARIBBEAN AIRLINES UNDER ITS PROPOSAL IS NOT GUARANTEEING
FLIGHTS TO JAMAICA.


http://www.sunheraldja.com/2009/12/i...9t-to-sell-air-j-or-close-it-down/

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has ordered the government to sell Air Jamaica to another entity than the Florida based Indigo Partners LLC or close in down in three months time.

This dictate forced beleaguered Prime Minister Bruce Golding to run to Trinidad & Tobago's Prime Minister Patrick Manning for assistance last Wednesday in order to get an agreement on time for the signing of the country's letter of intent with the international lending agency on Thursday.

The IMF contends that the cost of selling the airline to Indigo Partners LLC which is affiliated with the low-cost carrier Spirit Airlines, would lead to an increase in the country's ballooning fiscal deficit and debt burden. Under the terms of the agreement with Spirit, the government would have to absorb the US$400 million (J$36 billion) needed to make redundancy payments to the workers, as well as to clear some short-term debts.

The government would also have to pay five years rental for Air Jamaica's North American offices. Spirit would also change the carrier's name to Spirit of Jamaica.

Golding went to T&T for the second time on Wednesday to see if he could get Prime Minister Manning to broker a deal with Caribbean Airlines, which had earlier indicated that it would change the airline's name from Air Jamaica, while stressing that it could not guarantee flights to Jamaica under the new agreement.

The IMF wants to government to get Air Jamaica off the books because of its impact on the fiscal deficit and the debt.

The government reduced it support for the airline to US$30 million per annum, after providing unlimited support during the 10-year period when it was said to have been privatized to the Air Jamaica Acquisition Group.

I have a few observations:

I realise the final two bidders had the same intention to close JM and change the name..This begs the question why was Mr Wehby defending "maintaining the brand" when the final two had different intentions? I believe this divestment was a waste of time and tax payers money..

If Mr Golding had gone ahead, closed the carrier and restarted, all this could have been avoided...As politicians they have to learn to stand firm and take drastic actions...


I am not surprised about CAL not guaranteeing flights to Jamaica,as I already stated the competition will be too intense and I believe they will find it difficult to compete on certain routes...



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User currently offlineA340Jamaica From Jamaica, joined Nov 2008, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12667 times:



Quoting BW424:
Maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong. We will never know till it actually happens. Also, what I fail to understand is your sudden loss of confidence in ou regional aviation industry. IIRC, you stated many routes that can be made "to work" if JM were to use 90 seater jets on certain routes. You also elaborated on JM's hub potential and a plethora of benefits that can come from using KIN as an effective hub. That was back when there were other bidders such as Thomas Cook and speculative grapevine bidders like EK and DL. Now that CAL is the "preferred bidder", you promulgate doom and gloom for the entire industry, stating such ventures never work in the long run. Many have not, but at the same time, a few have worked amazingly.

I am inclined to think that if this were another "more plausible" bidder in your eyes, maybe you would not be saying the same thing right now?

It comes down to the difference between a private large airline business that may be able to use their size to provide some competitive leverage versus a small government run entity that clearly does not have the resources on its own to undertake the venture that they are attempting. If you follow my posts, while I elaborated on the good potential for a KIN hub, you always in my posts saw evidence of my uncertain thinking whether anybody would or could make it work.

If you read all my posts on Airliners.net, you will see that while I love Civil Aviation, I do not see a bright future for Civil Aviation in general. Read my posts regarding Peak Oil in particular, my posts on energy efficiency of trains and ground transport in general versus aircraft etc. etc.


User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12670 times:

I want to make some clarification about some things that were said in the previous forum

Quote:
But to be fair, and it is accurate statement as the Caribbean Thread is not really a Caribbean Thread as the discussions are dominated by Trinidad and about Caribbean Airlines.Information about the other islands and what is happening there in terms of tourism and aviation - rarely scene.

Are you being serious, while the Forum has Trinidad influences, there are plenty of news from each and every Caricom Island as they become available. Its an aviation forum, not a forum based on tourism, which means we only discuss airlines operating out of each territory,SCL767 everyday post something related to the aviation sector in the wider Caribbean as note.

Quote:
You have to understand that the people who make comments are mere airline enthusiast who are neither concern or privy to the heavy subject matter of financial consideration.

Again you post on nothing but your opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts.

Quote:
The general perception out there is that Port of Spain has unlimited resouces and can bank- roll these capital expenditure but not according to editorial in the Trinidad Guardian as the country finances has been severely affected by the recession.

Name me one country that has not been affected by the recession in any way, POS is affected but not to the extent you are trying to make it out to be. Everyone has their challenges in these economic times.

Quote:
What is certain though is that Air Jamaica will close and the question is not if but when. The GoJ should close Air Jamaica and the sooner the better.

Weren't you the one that was saying JM should be left open because of its economic value to the country just a few short months or weeks ago, despite me asking why they should not close the airline down?

Quote:
Seriously though, I admire these guys for taking an issue and ran with it and put there spin to it. Only, if life was so simple and straight forward.

This one is fascinating because I have seen nowhere where the poster said the deal was a done deal. It was said the both sides are aiming for an agreement before the end of the year or early next year.
You seem to be missing point all over the place and take whatever you like, this whole deal was in the works for more than 9 months now, its only because the IMF told GOJ that their preferential bid of Indigo would not be taken lightly by them as it would add to the debt, they insisted on meeting with Caribbean Airlines personnel.
BOD at CAL are not bending much to the GOJ terms and conditions so Golding thought it was better to see the acting PM and trade ministers all who agree with the BOD at the airline that their conditions must be meet.
These conditions are the same now as they were 9 months ago when the airline was bidding for JM. The Jamaican Government now has to make a deal or close the airline at the end of the 1st quarter next year. This is why the want to make a deal by year's end or very early next Year.
Those are facts and not opinions.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 1):
If Mr Golding had gone ahead, closed the carrier and restarted, all this could have been avoided...As politicians they have to learn to stand firm and take drastic actions...
I am not surprised about CAL not guaranteeing flights to Jamaica,as I already stated the competition will be too intense and I believe they will find it difficult to compete on certain routes...

Well that is the main condition of a merger/aquisition of JM, Caribbean Airlines has said they would handle most of the logistics of this new airline, however the GOJ wants the name JM as is.
One thing though, the report has it wrong, CAL is not guaranteeing flights to MBJ, however the airline has said they want to grow and maintain KIN as a base.
When the airline was invited to look at JMs operations a few months ago, they have said they are not to keen right now on maintaining the number of flights out of MBJ since there was too much competition on a low yield tourist market. They want to see a swift ROI first before making MBJ another base.



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User currently offlineCaymanair From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2004, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12611 times:

The sale of JM to BW is an interesting concept. There are some serious points to consider, although after some evaluation it is clear that this agreement is in neither best interests of Trinidad or Jamaica.

The Government of Jamaica is attempting to sell an asset, which they have cannibalized to the point where it is absolutely worthless to an investor. They have reduced the appeal of Air Jamaica in the pursuit of lower operating costs. Air Jamaica has far too much debt and a very mature staff (bad for businesses looking to lower costs and innovate). It would take hundreds of millions to fix the debt situation and recapitalize the carrier, with the only possible ROI in the distant future. For Jamaica, JM has also lost any significant value. JM is hardly a blip on the radar when it comes to airlift for the tourism industry and what capacity JM provides for Jamaicans would be instantly replaced by the many carriers already operating into JM. In the very few cases where JM has a monopoly, other carriers are just waiting on the sideline until JM disappears. If the Gov’t can sell JM to BW they will have achieved quite a bit… taken JM out of the states hands, removed significant debt from taxpayer, and they can tout the regional significance of Jamaican involvement in a pan-Caribbean initiative (while not spending anything in terms of new investment). Sounds like a good deal. What Jamaicans will loose out on is some sort of direct influence over their own airlift.

I see no benefit of Trinidad, and if I were a Trini taxpayer I would find Manning and beat some sense into him. As illustrated above, JM is a useless investment. Trinidad would have to assume a ridiculous level of debt and existing operational inefficiencies and would be required to provide yet more funds to BW to facilitate the merger, with NO ROI for many years, if at all.

The idea of a single carrier is great. Unfortunately this way is going to be far too cumbersome. JM needs to be shut down, and Jamaica has to realize that JM cannot compete and will not survive, and also that the pool of potential investors in JM is tiny. And they have all already rejected the offer. If Trinidad wants to help establish a pan-Caribbean carrier, its best bet is to simply expand BW into the gap left by JM immediately, with the cooperation of the Jamaican Gov’t, so that there is no fallout from the JM closure. It would be in Jamaica’s interest to put what they can into BW to assist this process.

Montego Bay is generally a lost cause in terms of competing seriously for tourist traffic. I agree, however, that it should not be completely cut. Perhaps once the major BW expansion is complete, they can look into the possibility of doing more with MBJ with strong backing from hoteliers in Jamaica or tour companies in the US/Canada.

Whatever happens though, I still say JM should not outlive March 2010. No single state asset should suck so much out of a country. Especially one that essentially consists of a handful of leases and hundreds of state subsidized jobs.


User currently offlineIlanbwoy From Jamaica, joined Feb 2009, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12565 times:



Quoting Caymanair (Reply 4):

Caymanair........thats an excelent post. The fact of the matter is this. JM needs to be hung up on the wall. Its a harsh reality, but its a true reality. There are many other carriers that can fill the gap. I have many friends there who will be unemployed, and there are not many prospects out there, but the reality must have sunk in by now and they need to start making preparations for the end.

The LCC's have done a good/bad thing. The good is that they have driven the costs of travel down (good for the customer). In doing so, the operational costs of older carriers have not changed and as such are very high(the bad for the airline). The days of charging the customers an arm and a leg so as to meet the obligations of overpaid execs and technical staff etc are gone. Its reasons like this that you see the once domestically dominant delta now doing as much long haul as possible. They have to be able to pay these risto's there salaries and domestically does not do it. Back in the day i would only book widebody flts to florida from atl, but now that does not happen at all unless its an equipment swap for training or something like that.

The PM of jamaica is in a very tight spot. He desperately needs the IMF loan and will basically have to do what they tell him to do. If he sells it to BW, then i guess they will work something out in terms of redundancy payments to the staff when the downsizing (which is inevitable) happens.

Based on the info from other posters..the indigo option is a no go as they (i assume) will have nothing to do with the redundancy payments to the staff when they get let go.

In my opinion, BW to me is wasting money trying to get involved with JM. Personally i dont think they should get involved with JM as i dont think the people of Jamaica will fully support the joint venture. Some will not care, some will go out of the way to not support it and thats just the meat of the matter. If they BW do it anyways, then they are right to focus on Kin. Kin will provide them the best return on their investment. Let the tour companies and lcc's fight over mbj. There is no money to be made there. The majority of the $$$ in jamaica is based in kin and thats where i would want to set up shop.

Having said that, then focus on JFK, YYZ, FLL, MCO, as those are the most populated areas in terms of travelling jamaicans.

My 2 cents...


User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12564 times:
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I was told there will be a new carrier on the CUR-KIN service...

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Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 3):
One thing though, the report has it wrong, CAL is not guaranteeing flights to MBJ, however the airline has said they want to grow and maintain KIN as a base.
When the airline was invited to look at JMs operations a few months ago, they have said they are not to keen right now on maintaining the number of flights out of MBJ since there was too much competition on a low yield tourist market. They want to see a swift ROI first before making MBJ another base.

Well, I can only say best of luck as it is a sticky situation.
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Quoting Caymanair (Reply 4):
If Trinidad wants to help establish a pan-Caribbean carrier, its best bet is to simply expand BW into the gap left by JM immediately, with the cooperation of the Jamaican Gov%u2019t, so that there is no fallout from the JM closure.

It will never happen..They will face too many opposition from the "movers and shakers" of the economy....You will most likely see a local based establishing itself on these routes..

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Quoting Ilanbwoy (Reply 5):
I have many friends there who will be unemployed, and there are not many prospects out there, but the reality must have sunk in by now and they need to start making preparations for the end.

I agree..Secrets Hotel will open next year..The tourism industry is booming and jobs are readily available..
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At the recent Aviation Seminar a presentation was done on Open Sky policies implications on Jamaica....
These are some important quotes:

I know that Jamaica has bi-lateral agreements with about 37 countries at this time, but I would like to start by painting a wider picture of what happens in an open sky environment, and then, how it might affect a country such as Jamaica.

The open skies accord allows airlines to serve customers efficiently and face competition in rapidly changing market conditions. They can also enter into joint ventures with other airlines to expand their services, reduce costs and make the most efficient use of their resources.
The new agreement will generate more employment opportunities in aviation, trade and tourism. Delta, for example, will have an all-Indian crew on its Indian routes. Last year it trained more than 80 crew members for the Chennai-Paris-New York route..

Open skies agreements worldwide have helped boost trade and commerce and created new markets for cargo and other businesses.
Tourism has become one of the world's largest industries, providing more opportunities to low-cost airlines and choices to customers. Productivity has increased and businesses have become efficient. Since the introduction of no-frill budget flights for the common man, tourism has increased within developing countries, adding to economic growth.
In Jamaica, we need to look into these strategies. We have bilateral with 37 countries, and I know that the present Government has actively pursued agreements with a few European countries.
However, I know of countries that were at one time interested in opening up air partnership with Jamaica, but did not get the buy-in of the government of the day.
One thing that is in our favour when we start to seriously negotiate more agreements, is the fact that we, as Jamaicans, are favourably thought of in countries around the world.
People genuinely like us, and we are usually very skilful in the things we do. We are a talented people..

I was doing business for my company in South Africa a few years ago, when I was told by an official of the South African Ministry of Transport that she had been in Jamaica a few months before, and had made suggestions to the then government that they would like to have Air Jamaica fly to Johannesburg.
The suggestion included the offer of them subsidizing the service until it gained momentum. Unfortunately the offer was not followed up by our people.
If we were to pursue a total open sky environment in Jamaica, African countries should be foremost on our minds.
it is true to say that:
1)
More jobs would be created, as each airline coming in would be employing a certain amount of its own staff.
2)
More visitors would come to Jamaica, as each airline would be selling the country through its own international sales network
3)
There could be more trade, as Jamaica is now trying to improve its agricultural capacity, and might be in a position to export things grown here to other countries.
4)
Friendships and Diplomatic relations could develop into a new level of world participation.

http://www.jcaa.gov.jm/2009_AVIATION...cations%20of%20an%20OPEN%20SKY.pdf



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User currently offlineCaribbean484 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Jan 2007, 2634 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12553 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 6):
Well, I can only say best of luck as it is a sticky situation.

It is a sticky situation, the GOTT has no interest in taking the debt of JM, its too much for them to justify. BW has always said they are willing to finance in a new airline whit the GOJ and run it with the best interest of a good ROI. MBJ is too low yielding for them to maintain services there. So the GOJ has a few weeks to make their final decision on this.

Quoting Ilanbwoy (Reply 5):

Nice post and very well put together.
Aviation has changed considerably and so to the regional airline have to keep up with them to compete in the global market.



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User currently offlineIlanbwoy From Jamaica, joined Feb 2009, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12527 times:



Quoting Caribbean484 (Reply 7):

Thanks for the compliment.


User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 12523 times:



Quoting Caymanair (Reply 4):

I do agree that your analysis is sobre and balance but there are aspect which I dont share such as the concept of a Pan-Caribbean airline being runned by regional government as the history of such ventures are well known

I make no apology for being a firm believer in Jamaica maintaining a national carrier but the reality of today is that it is not feasible due to the severe economic climate that Jamaica finds itself. The situation is two fold as Jamaica practised bad economic in terms of how it ran the economy and the other is no fault of there - worldwide recession.

The gravity of the situation requires me to re-think this whole notion that the country needs to get its finances in order and focus on other critical services. I have also accepted that a commercial venture such as the Air Jamaica is not good in government hands but in the hands of the private market. I have looked at LAN, TAM, TACA, COPA and AIR CARAIBES as prime examples.

Therefore, I am of the now that Air Jamaica's future is best service by closing the company as no amount of patch work or stop-gap measures such as what the GoJ is proposing is going to work.

I arrived at this decision based on the out come of the recent effort to sell the company. The government invited in excess of over a 100 companies to make a bid and in the end it was down to two that seriously talked to the GoJ.

What we do know now is that the debt of Air Jamaica as well as the future liabilities that the company will have to undertake to rehabilitate itself have become a major disincentive.

Air Jamaica does have a significant market and alot of other carriers are waiting in the shadows to take that away. The carrier is also operating in situation in which the country's tourism industry is expanding which in my view are all positive developments.

But the GoJ can not continued to fund the carriers debt nor provide the monthly subsidy as its revenue base has deminished. Nor do I think that the GoTT will undertake the task of pumping money into this idea of Mr Golding. The Jamaica Herald said today that the GOJ needs to come up with $400 Million USD to fund the redunancy of the staff. How much will it cost to refleet Air Jamaica and to reCapitalise it?

The fact of the matter is a closure as prescribed by the IMF is the best option.

Other carriers will step in and provide the necessary lift. The dislocation that JM closure will cause will be severe in the short term but the country will recover.

Quoting Ilanbwoy (Reply 5):
The LCC's have done a good/bad thing. The good is that they have driven the costs of travel down (good for the customer). In doing so, the operational costs of older carriers have not changed and as such are very high(the bad for the airline). The days of charging the customers an arm and a leg so as to meet the obligations of overpaid execs and technical staff etc are gone. Its reasons like this that you see the once domestically dominant delta now doing as much long haul as possible. They have to be able to pay these risto's there salaries and domestically does not do it. Back in the day i would only book widebody flts to florida from atl, but now that does not happen at all unless its an equipment swap for training or something like that.

I agree that they have been a positive force and it reminds me of the decision that the US Government took when it de-regulated the airline history. What we saw was a proliferation of so many carriers and it gave consumers many options.

In this case the LCC has forced traditional carriers into a position where there over-rall
structure has to be drastically altered.

As for the staff of Air Jamaica the closure of the carrrier will definately cause severe dislocation to its employees but also to the country.

The unemployment rate will climb and the level of taxation that the country earns will be hit as well. Not to mention the Tourism Enhancement Fund that will get a major hit.

But from a pure politcal angle I am agreeing with the PM that these draconian measures are needed to rescue the country financially.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 6):
know that Jamaica has bi-lateral agreements with about 37 countries at this time, but I would like to start by painting a wider picture of what happens in an open sky environment, and then, how it might affect a country such as Jamaica.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 6):
I was doing business for my company in South Africa a few years ago, when I was told by an official of the South African Ministry of Transport that she had been in Jamaica a few months before, and had made suggestions to the then government that they would like to have Air Jamaica fly to Johannesburg.

Interesting read HB. I am assuming that this presentation was apart of the seminar when aviation Week was observed last month.

I wonder why then government did not follow thru on that idea.


User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12464 times:

So when will we know if the JM/BW deal is truly done?


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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12472 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 10):
So when will we know if the JM/BW deal is truly done?

Should be before the end of the year...(that is only if the terms and conditions are agreed to). The letter of intent will be made public at signing. Probably a full press conference with PMs Manning and Golding along with Capt. Ian Brunton (BW CEO) when the letter is to be signed.

AA1818



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User currently offlineNy-jfk-lga From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 374 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12454 times:

Is this truly Air Jamaica's last Christmas? That's a tough thought to swallow. I wish them all the best. I still remember having a few tears when the household BWIA name was gone (I'm a trini afterall). I remember seeing bwee's website one day and Caribbean's the very next. However I'm very proud of Caribbean Airlines at this point. They should be an inspiration to other carriers. I feel bad that Air Jamaica couldn't "keep up with the economy" so-to-speak.


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User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12394 times:

The wait is finally over people. Here is the link to my Trip Report on my recent Atlanta visit. I will not lie, preparing this one tested my patience as I experienced problems left, right & centre. Four days of stress ( HummingBird & JM 079 can tell you...lol ) Must say thanks to Ilanbwoy for his contribution which I think made this TR what it is. Enjoy........

SNAPSHOTS...KIN-MIA-ATL-MIA-KIN On AA ( PICS) (by AirJamaica Dec 21 2009 in Trip Reports)



greenheart
User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12392 times:

Sunwing is pulling all charters from the Caribbean as of January 6, 2010 as the travel agency that has contracted them has run foul of its registration and the local regulatory ageny has suspended the travel agency charter.

This action has no bearings on Sunwing the airlines or its vacation company.

What Sunwing does is to provide the plane and crew to Sunrise which contracted the then=m.

......"ST GEORGE’S, Grenada – Less than a month after its inaugural flight to Grenada, the Canadian based airline, Sunwing, is ending its relationship with the island and three other Caribbean destinations, industry officials confirmed today.

They said that from January 6 next year, the airline would no longer operate flights to Grenada, Trinidad, Jamaica and Guyana.

The Travel Industry Council of Ontario (TICO), in an exclusive interview with the Caribbean Media Corporation (CMC), said that Sunrise – the travel agency which contracted the airline – had violated the Travel Industry Act 2002 resulting in the voluntarily termination of its registration.


http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/lates...news/Caribbean-airline-pulling-out


......"THE Ministry of Tourism is claiming a record 7,800 visitors arrived in Jamaica via Sangster International Airport in Montego Bay, St James, during the first weekend of the winter tourist season, which started on December 15.

“This is a fantastic start to the season, and I am excited by the prospects for this weekend, which coincides with Christmas. This comes ahead of the inaugural flight by the Italian airline Blue Panorama, from Rome in Italy to Jamaica on December 28. This is already a busy and exciting season, and this kind of start is what we need to fill every one of the million seats of airlift our airlift strategy secured for the season," said Minister of Tourism Edmund Bartlett.

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/lates...nter-tourist-season--say-officials

[Edited 2009-12-21 14:59:08]

User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12353 times:
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Quoting JM079 (Reply 9):
Interesting read HB. I am assuming that this presentation was apart of the seminar when aviation Week was observed last month.

I wonder why then government did not follow thru on that idea.

I assume it was a thin route and the A340 would be restricted leaving JNB...

Surprisingly, the Min of Sports recently signed a cultural agreement with South Africa..This will enable more travel and trade between both countries....The most convenient way to fly to South Africa is by using DL's service..

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 13):
The wait is finally over people. Here is the link to my Trip Report on my recent Atlanta visit

Well done, nice pics of KIN..

Quoting JM079 (Reply 14):
Sunwing is pulling all charters from the Caribbean as of January 6, 2010 as the travel agency that has contracted them has run foul of its registration and the local regulatory ageny has suspended the travel agency charter.

This action has no bearings on Sunwing the airlines or its vacation company.

What Sunwing does is to provide the plane and crew to Sunrise which contracted the then=m.

I realise it will only affect the flights to KIN..The MBJ flights remains unchanged...Will these pax receive a refund?

Quoting JM079 (Reply 14):
This is a fantastic start to the season, and I am excited by the prospects for this weekend, which coincides with Christmas. This comes ahead of the inaugural flight by the Italian airline Blue Panorama, from Rome in Italy to Jamaica on December 28. This is already a busy and exciting season, and this kind of start is what we need to fill every one of the million seats of airlift our airlift strategy secured for the season," said Minister of Tourism Edmund Bartlett.

Good news...
Blue Panorama already serves MBJ from LIN alongside Livingston Airlines..This flight will be routed FCO-HAV-MBJ and is a codeshared with CU...
Skyservice an A320 from YXU today..
FL first charter from MKE arrived yesterday alongside SY from STL..AC operated the B763 from YYC..


JM will operate flight 083 for this week only.....The flight is routed MCO-KIN-MCO-KIN...

NA has been called to relieve JM of the baggage issues at JFK..The B763 is being used to KIN as 018....Despite the new baggage policy, they have been bombarded with excess bags....
B6 on the other hand, does not accept excess bags..



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User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12312 times:



Quoting JM079 (Reply 14):
Sunwing is pulling all charters from the Caribbean as of January 6, 2010 as the travel agency that has contracted them has run foul of its registration and the local regulatory ageny has suspended the travel agency charter.

This action has no bearings on Sunwing the airlines or its vacation company.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 15):
I realise it will only affect the flights to KIN..The MBJ flights remains unchanged

Just as GND was enjoying the additional airlift from YYZ. I'm pleased their MBJ operations will still be intact.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 15):
Well done, nice pics of KIN..

Thanks. Would be good to see a detailed one of MBJ.

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 15):
NA has been called to relieve JM of the baggage issues at JFK..The B763 is being used to KIN as 018....Despite the new baggage policy, they have been bombarded with excess bags...

Not surprised at all. Somehow I knew NA would again be doing rotations for JM during the very busy holiday season.



greenheart
User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12257 times:

Nice Trip Report..keep it up


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User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12217 times:

There was a group associated with digicell that was looking to start a new airline does anyone know of their where abouts and if they will re group and do something.

User currently offlineSpeedbird2263 From Jamaica, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12200 times:



Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 18):
There was a group associated with digicell that was looking to start a new airline does anyone know of their where abouts and if they will re group and do something.

I haven't the foggiest however I'm also wondering where are all the AirOne folks? I had presumed they would find this a most opportune time however it seems the current global financial crisis might just have stalled their original plans.

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User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12178 times:



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 17):
Nice Trip Report..keep it up

Thanks. Went through hell and back to finally get it to work.

Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 18):
There was a group associated with digicell that was looking to start a new airline does anyone know of their where abouts and if they will re group and do something.



Quoting Speedbird2263 (Reply 19):
I haven't the foggiest however I'm also wondering where are all the AirOne folks? I had presumed they would find this a most opportune time however it seems the current global financial crisis might just have stalled their original plans.

That's what I am thinking as well.



greenheart
User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12176 times:



Quoting Speedbird2263 (Reply 19):
I had presumed they would find this a most opportune time however it seems the current global financial crisis might just have stalled their original plans.

Although it is hard to get there is money out there to start an airline. Just have to have a tight biz plan and you make a good presentation and investors will invest.


User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12152 times:
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Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 16):
Thanks. Would be good to see a detailed one of MBJ.

Ditto..
Re: your flight on AA..Approximately how many pax were connecting and to which destinations?

Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 16):
Not surprised at all. Somehow I knew NA would again be doing rotations for JM during the very busy holiday season

Agree...Supply and demand..

Quoting Speedbird2263 (Reply 19):
I haven't the foggiest however I'm also wondering where are all the AirOne folks? I had presumed they would find this a most opportune time however it seems the current global financial crisis might just have stalled their original plans.



Quoting AirJamaica (Reply 20):
That's what I am thinking as well.

But all is not lost....I have been looking at the possibilities that may arise once JM is finally divested..

1.Air One Ventures may well be on the horizon as they will see a void left in the market..With financial backings from their head company Digicel, who has plans to construct their headquarters in Downtown Kingston, it would seem feasible for them to establish a hub in KIN to service their business interest.....

2..A new carrier formed by the pilots..Despite the outcome, pilots will be made redundant..The pilots who are "highly qualified" have not entertained the concept of leaving their homeland to seek jobs elsewhere...For the pilots to start an airline will be far more cheaper as they are already trained for the airbus aircraft and this would reduce their start up cost...They could possibly get financial backing from moguls such as as Butch, Lee Chin, Blackwell and other local interests who are bent on protecting the tourist markets and local interests..

3..Jamaica being a mature aviation industry..The GOJ in an effort to protect those tourist routes that are vital to the economy may entice the services of a North American legacy carrier who is able to provide unrestricted access to global gateways..Due to their superior route network, it means places that were once difficult to reach, will be easily reached through an established hub..

Quoting Beeweel15 (Reply 21):
Although it is hard to get there is money out there to start an airline. Just have to have a tight biz plan and you make a good presentation and investors will invest.

You are right..Aircraft leases have dropped 30-50% over the last year...With lower labour and operational cost, the venture will be a success..



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User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 12129 times:



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 22):
Re: your flight on AA..Approximately how many pax were connecting and to which destinations?

From my observations it seemed most of the passengers on my flight actually terminated in Miami. However some were connecting to ATL, LGA, JFK and also saw few Asian passengers heading to NRT. But the majority ended their journey in Florida.



Quoting HummingBird (Reply 22):
But all is not lost....I have been looking at the possibilities that may arise once JM is finally divested..

Interesting days are ahead.



greenheart
User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12099 times:

40 passengers injured in American Airlines crash at Jamaica airport

'' Forty passengers were reported injured after an American Airlines plane crashed and broke in two after landing at the Norman Manley International Airport in Kingston shortly after 10:00 pm Tuesday. ''

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/lates...-Airlines-crash-at-Jamaica-airport

The latest I have heard is that the aircraft is still intact. Pleased that there was no fatalities as this incident could have ended up much worst.



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25 Post contains links Ilanbwoy : Drama in Kingston tonight with AA331 from Miami. Something happened. Some reports say the plane broke apart....Its on yahoo and also the local media.
26 Post contains links and images HummingBird : I dont think the pilot had much space to work with..
27 AirJamaica : Well thats the thing with KIN. Be it RWY 12 or 30 things can get ugly if there are incidents such as this, as by virtue of its design/location there
28 Speedbird2263 : Very True I have always thought that an overrun of either end wouldn't be without substantial damage and/or loss of life. I know it's early days yet
29 Ilanbwoy : Switching back to the topic of this thread......this might have been an unwanted blessing in disguise for Jm if things were different. Imagine all the
30 HummingBird : I can't wait to see the NTSb report..According to the METARS report, the wind was light..Alot of questions will arise one the damage is assessed tomo
31 Speedbird2263 : Man I really didn't want to take the chance and say it first so luckily for me you did the honors I thought the very same thing. It even crossed my m
32 JM079 : The Norman Manley International Airport is now closed indefinately and all flights bound for the capital city airport. NEW FLASH: I have just talked t
33 Post contains links AirJamaica : That is a thought that always flashed across my mind when I used to work there as well. Words can't describe how relieved I am that the situation did
34 Post contains images HummingBird : I cant believe I am up so late... Here is a pic of the aircraft in KIN..
35 Beeweel15 : Good that everyone is alive.
36 Speedbird2263 : It's really a situation to give God thanks for as I've seen the pictures and having always been at that exact spot on quiet sundays in my car spotting
37 Post contains links JM079 : THE VERNAMFIELD AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT IS TO COMMENCE IN APRIL 2010 http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/busin...mfield-mega-port-to-commence-April ...........
38 Yellowtail : I have taken that AA flight quite a few times..... Glad it has turned out that all are well.
39 HummingBird : I have a friend in the vicinity who will provide pics later.. No access is being given to airport to general public .. Only those travelling are given
40 Post contains links AirJamaica : Off course speculations are rife about the exact cause of the accident. At least two aircraft landed at KIN during that down pour prior to AA. One of
41 Post contains images HummingBird : These are the latest pics..I will be the first to say, this is deinitely a pilot's error..
42 Yellowtail : I got a question....so in cases like this do they salvage undamaged stuff like the doors, maybe a winglet, the tail for future use....or are those jus
43 HummingBird : The insurance adjusters will assess the damage and retrieve the workable items..
44 AvroArrow : Those are some good photos. Good that people from on the flight are mostly OK. I wonder if they'll fix the aircraft?
45 Trintocan : I heard about this incident this morning when on my way to work so I could not get a chance to check out the a.net boards until now. What a shock inde
46 Post contains links HummingBird : Away to the recycling bin... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
47 Post contains links JM079 : The closure of the airport last night had resulted in the cancellation of the VS to LGW. I had reported that I had some friends that was on that fligh
48 Post contains links and images HummingBird : For those familair with KIN, most narrowbodies using rwy 12 often vacate the runway using the first exit..Looking at this pic and re-enactmnet, you ge
49 Post contains links JM079 : At this point the most important thing should be that everyone has walked away safely and that they are with family and friends who love and care for
50 Speedbird2263 : Just got in from pulling my first 12hour! I can confirm the FAA is here they arrived on AA331 and came right on time at 9:10pm. How Ironic if not cree
51 JM079 : Thanks for the update on the VS flight as I had indicated that I have friends on board last night. What was quite unfortunate is that they were kept
52 Speedbird2263 : A rather non-issue IMHO. The passengers could just have easily disembarked as if they were just arriving, brought down through the arrivals hall and
53 Post contains links HummingBird : This video is touching.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-LjVZ5kEyA Nice to see them making progress on these development...I predict the A388 freigh
54 Beeweel15 : This never fails to amaze me. After a delay you pay your competitor to take your pax back home then you fly the plane empty back home. Did VS fly in
55 AirJamaica : I flew 331 in June 2007. Equipment was also a B738. A while now since they have used the B752 on MIA-KIN. All B738's of late. MBJ currently get the B
56 Post contains links JM079 : [quote=Speedbird2263,reply=52] Actually, the passengers on the VS flight were on the KIN -LGW as this was the rtn leg to London. My understanding was
57 HummingBird : It should have minimal effect on the investigation as the runway and threshold lights were operational...The lights in question are used a visual aid
58 Captaink : I think the problem is and really it isn't a problem, the fact is that we have few airlines in the Caribbean and one of the bigger ones is based in T
59 JM017 : I wondered the same thing: why not do a go-around? Maybe they realised there was a problem when it was too late? I was a bit surprised that the CAA d
60 Ilanbwoy : Its not the landing that is the problem my friend....it is when its time to take off. If the a/c is heavy, it might need the entire runway. You have
61 HummingBird : I feel it was a case of bad judgment on the part of the PF.......Am pretty sure they did a pre arrival briefing and issues such as runway length, wea
62 AirJamaica : I wasn't even aware that KIN's approach lights to 12 was not functioning. However the other lightings/navigational aids that they are currently opera
63 JM017 : Thanks. Your explanation makes sense. Their explanation did not. They had mentioned the obstruction as if it were a visual problem, not a potential p
64 AirJamaica : When I initially heard about the restrictions of the larger aircraft such as the B772 and the B744 that was the impression the report gave, which I t
65 HummingBird : Am surprised they even mentioned this as a part of the investigation.. Well guys, surprisingly JFK baggage and loads have exceeded all expectations..
66 Captaink : I have missed much of what has been going on.. But with all the drama with JM, can't they do what BWIA did? Shut down and start a new entity? I hate t
67 FuturePilot16 : Using Google Earth, I measured the runway and it came out at 8,861 ft. I'd say that's more than enough to land a 737. Shows that the PIC should have u
68 HummingBird : After the NTSB have concluded their investigation, the company will decide on further actions... ----------------------------------------------------
69 JM017 : That's about right: it's listed as 8900 feet. Hey, if a Boeing 747 landed without a problem (and I have seen 747s land there in awful conditions) the
70 FuturePilot16 : Meaning he landed about 1/4 of the way down the runway. That's questionable even in normal conditions. Has any one heard whether or not fuel quantity
71 Captaink : Well I am not too familiar with these matters.. How was it with BWIA, how did that work out, what really took place there? What I know is that BWIA w
72 Post contains links and images AirJamaica : When I used to work at KIN I had seen many situations where ATC suggested 30 approaches because of rapidly changing wind-directions and the pilots el
73 Post contains links HummingBird : Merry Christmas One and All..All the best for 2010... If this is the case, it will open a new can of worms...The standard reserve fuel amount may diff
74 Post contains links AirJamaica : Air J has to be taken over completely '' THE Jamaican Government wants to ensure that any takeover of its national airline will keep tourist-filled pl
75 JM017 : About right. But they have to realise that they are not exactly holding good cards. The government of Jamaica will have to compromise, or else BW may
76 Post contains links AirJamaica : Flight 331 broken fuselage pieces removed '' Workmen earlier this morning removed sections of the the broken American Airlines Flight 331, which ploug
77 FuturePilot16 : It's very disturbing that the police thought that it was a prank call. Could it be that the some of the passengers were right about response times? A
78 Speedbird2263 : I'm not quite sure you know. I dont quite recall seeing an access gate anywhere around that side. I had asked myself the same question as to how the
79 Speedbird2263 : Point definately taken there mi amigo.
80 HummingBird : A walk in the lion's den.... Am waiting to see the responses, once the deal is signed..I doubt the pilots are willing to convert to Boeing, since tha
81 Post contains links HummingBird : http://www.radiojamaica.com/content/view/23885/26/ http://www.radiojamaica.com/content/view/23879/52/ http://www.radiojamaica.com/content/view/23880/
82 AirJamaica : ................and the saga continues. Very true. Will this US PHX-MBJ service also operate during the summer ? Very interesting disclosure. I am no
83 Yankeejuliet : News Flash : It is reported that a group of overseas based Jamaicans are puting start up funds for a new airline to be based in KIN. Proposed routes a
84 Post contains links and images HummingBird : The nose section of the American Airlines aircraft, which overshot the runway at the Norman Manley International Airport, in Kingston, on December 22
85 Post contains links AirJamaica : Before AA331 crashed: Pilot opted against mis-approach '' THE pilot of American Airlines flight 331, which crashed at the Norman Manley International
86 Yellowtail : So has the entire aircraft been removed now...or is the midsection still there... Still trying to get caught up after disappearing for xmas!
87 HummingBird : When I combine both stories, I know we will be looking at some US $$ million settlements...If I were one of those pax, I would start planning my earl
88 JM02 : I'm very confident this venture like the flights from China, Singapore and Air One will not get off the ground. For a start the GOJ will either give
89 HummingBird : It will never happen..Once that signature is placed on the dotted line, it marks the end of The GOJ involvement with JM..The new owner cannot dictate
90 A340jamaica : It would be difficult being new and not established. However, I take your point re BW and CM. They are effectively unknown with the exception of the
91 Post contains links AirJamaica : Air Jamaica Dares to Care '' International recording artiste, Shaggy, (third left) has delivered a challenge to raise funds for the Bustamante Childre
92 HummingBird : I agree.. I hope this new venture gets off the ground.. Good news...I hope they will acquire larger aircraft for regional flights by late 2010..
93 Yellowtail : Yeah, problems like the pilots forgetting to set them or landing with them in bad weather etc. Airbus have had their share of brake, spoiler reverser
94 AirJamaica : I remember those accidents quite vividly. The JJ 3054 one happened at CGH not SDU. My friend reside not too far from where it happened.
95 Post contains links AirJamaica : Record arrivals mark start of winter season '' While airports throughout the United States stood on 'red alert' last weekend, Jamaica's Sangster Inter
96 Captaink : The media all around the world has the reputation for not getting the facts straight, especially with aviation it seems. If they mix up Airbus with B
97 BW424 : I might get flamed for this, but that's how the media (especially American) tend to react when "their own" is involved in an incident. Immediately, t
98 A340Jamaica : These guys are really jokers. KIN is a sea level airport on a tropical maritime island that will not see the high temperatures that are experienced i
99 AirJamaica : To make matters worst, that B738 was also ferrying fuel ( think the term '' tankering '' is used when they do this ) for their return leg to MIA the
100 JM017 : Yup, the argument has no merit. But in the press reports stateside, they are trying to emphasize: 1) the absence of overrun areas on the runway, 2) t
101 Caribbean484 : I could not agree more, the press is trying to say that "Third World" airports like KIN is unsafe and not up to standard. Nothing can be further from
102 Speedbird2263 : Happy New Year folks! Certainly looking forward to a prosperous 2010 with interesting/positive developments in Caribbean aviation!
103 Post contains links AirJamaica : Understand it is in the process of being upgraded to a more modern system and is on schedule to be completed as was originally planned. A local pilot
104 Post contains images JM017 : Yeah, I read today the work is to be done in January. Earlier reports had said it was scheduled to be done in February. The US press will probably st
105 HummingBird : Happy New Year one and all..Hoping for a prosperous new year in 2010....Looking forward to a new local based international airline.. Ah, Nanny at her
106 AirJamaica : Initially that's what I heard as well. Lol....Good one. I can appreciate that all factors will be taken into consideration by the investigators to as
107 HummingBird : It eliminates the option of buying fuel expensive fuel at out stations..JM does the same for flights between Jamaica and South Florida..
108 Ilanbwoy : Happy New years all......all the best for the new decade. I have the following opinion on the crash...of course without all the specifics..its pure sp
109 Post contains links JM079 : Hi everyone, Just a note to say welcome to 2010. Back from vacation in Trinidad - so much to talk - ( I throughly enjoyed my time there, an amazing co
110 JM079 : After spending nearly 10 days in Port of Spain, a city in which we have grossly underestimated, I have come back home with an appreciation of its uniq
111 AirJamaica : This is a very valid observation as there have been fatal airline accidents in the past due to simple oversights on the pilot's part. A perfect examp
112 HummingBird : . Yep,the landing weight, speed and flap settings are all computed in the the CDU..Also, on approach he has the Primary Flight Display (PFD) which sh
113 Post contains links JM079 : These are very useful feed backs to us as people like myself who is on the other side of the industry are not privy to alot of technical info when it
114 JM079 : My itinerary involved other parties which requires me to travel via the states. However, am pleased that I did not have to use MIA as my last experie
115 AirJamaica : My bad. All on-board died except one passenger. Prior to B6 starting JFK-KIN it was predicted that they would have better success on JFK-MBJ than JFK
116 Post contains links AirJamaica : DVD with Islamic content delays flight at NMIA '' The disc was found on Virgin Atlantic Flight 070 as passengers were embarking the aircraft and was h
117 Yellowtail : Does anyone know whe the preliminary Report on the AA overrun will be released?
118 Post contains links and images HummingBird : Loads are one thing, but I was referring to the impact on yields..MBJ has 4 carriers on the route while KIN now has 3..Prior to the arrival of B6 int
119 JM079 : Air Canada has made some major adjustments on the YYZ - KIN route for the summer. We had predicted that the closure of Air Jamaica will result in anot
120 Post contains links AirJamaica : Not sure how they will work out that part. A co-worker of mine emailed me these exact photographs last week. The outcome could have been much worst i
121 HummingBird : Am impressed...Nice to see the B763 back in KIN... ..I also expect an increase in charter operations.. That would mean extending the runway in the se
122 Post contains links JM079 : The Jamaica Civil Aviation Authority will be holding a press conference in KIN this morning to address the AA incident. Also the NTSB and the CAA wil
123 AA1818 : THREE flights bound for MXP!! Very Impressive stuff at MBJ. AA1818
124 AirJamaica : Remind me of the days when their L101 had a daily presence at KIN. As well as their other '' birds '' later on.....B747's, A320's, etc. My cousin who
125 Post contains links JM079 : Expenditure of such a nature is usually approve way in advance and budgeted for. Look at the recent news where the Airport Authority advised that the
126 HummingBird : I agree..There has been a massive exodus of Jamaicans migrating to Canada..Am sure AC, being the only carrier on the route with convenient connection
127 AirJamaica : As usual. On my MIA-KIN segment of my recent visit to ATL AA stipulated a longer time period for the boarding process for obvious reasons. It is alwa
128 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.recommend.com/nm/template...x_ce.aspx?articleid=6376&zoneid=49 The current issue of the online magazine "Recommend.com" is highlighting som
129 Post contains links and images HummingBird : JM079 has given me permission to post these pics from his recent trip to POS.. AC A319 at YYZ. Snowy YYZ CO 73G push back from IAH.. CO at IAH.. POS A
130 Post contains links JM079 : TRINIDADIANS INCREASE OPPOSITION TO AIR J TAKEOVER http://www.radiojamaica.com/content/view/24081/26/ ....."More opposition is being raised in Trinida
131 HummingBird : Admittedly, both Caribbean carriers are loosing money..Interesting...
132 JM079 : Awesome pic there HB (LOL) POS was night time arrival and departures which was a major disappointment. On arrival all that I wanted to do was to head
133 Post contains links AirJamaica : Flight mishaps and settlements '' He urged passengers on the American Airlines Flight 331, which crash-landed off the Port Royal Road on December 22,
134 AirJamaica : Cool photos there. Glad I am not in Toronto at this time though. LOL. I agree. POS is looking very spacious and modern indeed. Night photos can be ch
135 Post contains links HummingBird : http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.ART0.State.Edition2.4ba7c66.html
136 Post contains links JM079 : It is rather unfortunate but it now seems like all the lawyers here and in the USA are lining up to make representation for these passengers. Lets ho
137 HummingBird : [/quote] In these type of cases, lawyers will seek additional compensation and will try to settle out of court..But, this case in particular will be o
138 HummingBird : It is being reported on the local news, the JM sale will be signed next week..[Edited 2010-01-07 14:13:14]
139 JM079 : Delta has made some seasonal adjustment to its new JFK - KIN route with service being suspended for the last two remaining weeks of January. Flts will
140 AirJamaica : I really hope so too. Heard something to that effect as well on the 5:00pm radio news but the report I heard stated a possible deal '' could '' be si
141 Jmbweeboy : Anybody catch that great JM 23 hour sale valid just today, Thursday January 7 ? Lovebird Exscutive Class with all taxes included FLL-MBJ r.t. is just
142 HummingBird : I guarantee, by next week there will be more changes... It is showing at 3 for now, but based on advanced booking, there is a great possibility it wi
143 Speedbird2263 : I wait patiently in the stands to see how it will all play out. I recently had a chat with some folks in Ops and even they seem to be oblivious to wh
144 HummingBird : There was a report on the news that the JCAA will be signing some new open skies agreement.. According to the terms, any carrier can fly to any destin
145 Post contains links JM079 : Radiojamaica has this report today about the issue: ...."Plans are being made to ensure that Jamaica profits from an increase in air service to the c
146 Post contains links AirJamaica : Lawyers of AA331 crash victims going after Boeing '' At a press conference at the Spanish Court Hotel in Kingston yesterday, the lawyers said they we
147 HummingBird : Today B6 will inaugurate BOS-MBJ services.. JetBlue's Flight 893 will depart BOS at 11:55 a.m. and arrive at MBJ at 3:45 p.m., while Flight 894 will d
148 AirJamaica : For some reason I thought their BOS-MBJ inaugural was late Jan/early Feb. They are running a bit late. ETA in MBJ is 4:30pm. The scheduled 11:55am de
149 HummingBird : JamVac requested an earlier start on the route....I imagine that Ed and his team are working hard to secure more seats to MBJ since JM will be gone..
150 Post contains links HummingBird : Hey Air Jamaica, here is a video of our infamous captain performing a smooth touchdown in MBJ.. Touchdown seems early, but at least the fuselage remai
151 Post contains links JM079 : LOL. Cheeky Yea, I agree a smooth landing. JAMVAC , I understand is examinating the feasibility of doing there own charters starting next winter from
152 AirJamaica : Heard on the news that B6's BOS-MBJ service will see an additional Wednesday flight come summer. Overtime there will be quite a number of B6 metal pr
153 Yellowtail : Guys...can any of you give me the schedule of BA and VS into KIN, MBJ and HAV...including arrv/depart times?
154 Captaink : " target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU8tv...Xbx08 JM pilots or on top of their game... Been about a year since I last took a jM flight, bu
155 AirJamaica : KIN-LGW VS 070 dep 7:30pm arr 9:10am 1 ( Mon, Thu ) B744 LGW - KIN VS 069 dep 11:35am arr 4:40pm ( Mon, Thu ) B744 MBJ - LGW VS 066 dep 7:15pm arr 9:
156 Yellowtail : Thanks the sked.....appreciate it....saved me some time on a SLOW internet today
157 AirJamaica : Agree. High level of professionalism is always displayed by JM pilots and they tend to be EXTREMELY meticulous. No problem.
158 Post contains links JM079 : There is news that the Caribbean Tourist Organization is asking the Caribbean region to impose a fee of 10 USD on all plane tickets. But that seems co
159 AirJamaica : Guess some will argue that the US$ 10 fee is lower in comparison to what they plan to charge on UK flights to the Caribbean but it is still contradic
160 HummingBird : Something synonymous with JM pilots.. Interesting concept... They are strongly pushing the BOS-MBJ flights..Given their success at JFK, am pretty sur
161 Post contains links Yellowtail : Look at this hatchet job on our regions airports.... http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2010-01-12-airport_N.htm horrible......they forget about A
162 Post contains links HummingBird : These "issues"have not stopped other carriers from operating safely into these airports..Perhaps more time should be spent with pilot drilling him ab
163 AirJamaica : The first thing that struck me when I read that article is how poorly researched it was. Firstly it is quite obvious that the writer is not geographi
164 Post contains links JM079 : Some up dates here from KIN: "Audley Shaw announces new Air Jamaica board MINISTER of Finance Audley Shaw has announced a new 5-member board for nati
165 HummingBird : Agree.. You are right...One Term, only "One Term"....
166 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.jis.gov.jm/finance_planni...NEW_BOARD_ON_EVE_OF_DIVESTMENT.asp MORE INFO FROM THE GOJ INFO SERVICE ......"A deal, in which Air Jamaica wil
167 HummingBird : I am assuming this will also include JM's debt... Am feeling it for all these employees that will be made redundant...I was expecting at least 200-30
168 Post contains links AirJamaica : Texan firm going after AA millions '' SOME passengers injured in the crash-landing of American Airlines flight AA 331 in Kingston last month are eyein
169 Yellowtail : Now that is the real problem. Not KIN's runway. Maybe we need to remind this guys of YYZ and their runway....grooved and still a AF overrun.
170 JM079 : I am not sure why the Petrocaribe agreement was mentioned as an issue. I read a while back in the Caribbean Thread where it first came up and I was t
171 AirJamaica : .....Also of YYZ's 5 runways, 3 are longer than KIN's while the other 2 are more or less the same length.
172 Yankeejuliet : End of line for the LOVE BIRD ? Heaven help our tourist industry, as we will be at the mercy of foriegn carriers where arrivals are concerned, and thi
173 Yellowtail : Yes please don't support a carrier that will support Jamaican jobs.....and yes please support a US carrier instead of one from our fellow Caribbean.
174 Post contains links and images JM079 : The GoJ has announced tonight that Air Jamaica is to provide a special charter to take medical supplies to Haiti and to take home the Jamaicans that c
175 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.eturbonews.com/13857/bartlett-jamaicas-tourism-gain-6 ....."Tourism Minister Ed Bartlett is projecting a 6% growth in tourism this year, al
176 Ilanbwoy : Y do so many people think golding is done. Do these same people think the pnp is the answer. I liken the situation to a game of partner dominoes. The
177 HummingBird : Thanks for the clarification... Am agreeing with you, but will wait for the confirmation on this matter....I have a funny feeling there is more to co
178 Post contains links JM079 : My assessment of how the divestment of Air Jamaica and of the direction that the GoJ has decided to follow in respect of Air Jamaica has no bearing o
179 Caribbean484 : Your concern is well taken, and as much well understandable. Air Jamaica has provided critical airlift to Jamaica for many years and provided economi
180 Post contains links AirJamaica : 'Air J'ca buy a good move' for Caribbean Airlines '' If the airline has to be divested, it will involve another US$50 million to reduce personnel, he
181 HummingBird : I have decided to post the stats in this format..I will post KIN separate from MBJ as the markets are different.. DOT Stats for July 2009. KINGSTON **
182 Yellowtail : huh? I can't speak for the rest of the Caribbean, but I eat Tastee Patties and Drink Red Stripe here in BZE regularly....now on the other hand...can
183 Post contains links HummingBird : I don't need to make hasty generalizations....The following articles will answer your statement.. http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/glean...r/20090607/c
184 Yellowtail : We'll all local newspapers will cater to the local audience in their writing....and I have already conceded that I cannot speak for T&T but..... I ha
185 Yellowtail : And the alternative is? The real seed for JM demise was sown from Butch's days....I was closely involved with them when they tried to enter this mark
186 JM079 : I was hoping for an open and even exchange of views but I guess not. I f were to look back to a statement from Mr Nobles who had advised that the sum
187 Yellowtail : Sure....I think I have given some hint that perhaps the Gleaner's article and the view being portrayed by the Jamaican Gov't on trade imbalance (for
188 HummingBird : I agree.. When the open skies agreement is signed, I beleive that KIN may see AirTran using it's ATL hub and US using CLT hub to stimulate the busine
189 Captaink : I like to hear that. I am impressed with the world, especially America on the response to this disaster. I am up here in NY, and one would think that
190 HummingBird : DOT Stats July 2009 MBJ JFK/EWR JM JFK-MBJ 5376-4910 91% MBJ-JFK 5414-5009 93% NA flights that operated on JM's behalf JFK-MBJ 426-378 89% Equipment u
191 JM079 : I have to respond to that statement. I came on to respond to several earlier comments but all of that seems so insignificant at this time. This is to
192 Captaink : My goodness, what a quatitiy of seats to MBJ. There is no way JM could compete with that. They need focus on the KIN scene. Indeed.
193 Post contains links AirJamaica : Air scare Anxious moments as Learjet circles NMIA, dumps fuel before landing '' A Learjet that had difficulty landing at the Norman Manley Internation
194 AirJamaica : Agree. It is a very sad and unfortunate situation and I really like how the world has responded positively. As bad as it already is, I think it could
195 SCL767 : FL in KIN? DL will operate ATL-KIN daily. But given CAL's cost-structure and connections, KIN-ATL will not be a problem IMO. I know you would like ca
196 Yellowtail : Saw an image of the PAP ramp this morning....what a madhouse.
197 Post contains links HummingBird : Sooner or later, KIN will see an increase in new traffic....The air travel market to Jamaica will become highly competitive once they sign that open
198 A340jamaica : I am not so certain. For CAL to succeed to ATL, it will need the VFR support of Jamaicans which will be significantly lower now that JM will be gone.
199 SCL767 : The same sentiments were expressed when BWIA shut down. Trinidadians did not expect CAL to survive, and look at CAL now! And your right, it's all abo
200 JM079 : The strategy of JTB and JAMVAC have always being straightforward in that there effort is to increase the airlift capacity from all these cities. The
201 SCL767 : The JTB and JAMVAC have both failed in diversifying airlift into MBJ IMO. Besides flights from the U.S., U.K., and Canada, what other major internati
202 Post contains links JM079 : The Sunday Herald has a line item on there page which is a summary of what has already being reported over the last two weeks. It talks about the up-c
203 Post contains links SCL767 : JM only operates one weekly non-stop flight between KIN and HAV. The GOJ will not do so as it would go against current discussion involving the merge
204 HummingBird : I agree...Jamaica is one of 3 countries in the region that will report an increase in arrivals for 2009...A stark contrast to what other countries wi
205 SCL767 : Elaborate...Guyana topped the list by far! So Aerogaviota doesn't carry pax or cargo into MBJ? The flight is simply to shuttle JM's crews around?
206 JM079 : The strategy has been a success indeed when compare to other larger market such as DR, Mexico or even smaller countries such as BGI, TAB or even GND.
207 AA1818 : The other two being? Guyana and Trinidad? I am certain Trinidad saw an increase in 2009- BW increased flights, BA increased, CM increased. DL may hav
208 Jmbweeboy : The factor that has kept VFR traffic high for JM (the sense of loyalty and connection to a Jamaican carrier) has been removed and now, it is all abou
209 JM079 : CNN is reporting that US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton is now instransit to Kingston after her visit to Haiti. She is travelling with 48 Americans
210 A340jamaica : You want to bet!! Watch what happens SCL. The difference with CAL is that Trinidadians know CAL is a Trinidadian Airline. The case is quite clearly d
211 SCL767 : Aeropuerto Internacional Punta Cana (Grupo Puntacana) and the D.R. Tourism Ministry were by far more pro-active than the JTB. Flights from Bogotá, L
212 Post contains links HummingBird : No..Their operations are based on charters, the majority of whom is used by European Airlines... WHY WOULD JM WANT TO SHUTTLE CREW TO HAV? IS JM THE
213 JM079 : The strategy has to focus on certain markets and invest in it by using several marketing tools. We saw how Jamaica has become the prefered destinatio
214 SCL767 : Exactly, so they do in fact carry pax and cargo between HAV and MBJ on a charter basis. CAL has also increased frequencies into JFK/YYZ/KIN/BGI as we
215 AirJamaica : When all is said and done the most important thing here is that despite the many challenges faced by the global aviation industry, recession, H1N1 et
216 A340jamaica : Not immediately SCL. I myself will be going to Jamaica at the end of February on JM 80. But, as stated before, the draw that pulled me to choose JM n
217 Post contains links JM079 : To be quite honest it is inconsequential, irrelevant and unimportant what others have to say at this point as the statistic gives an accurate picture
218 Post contains links JM079 : http://www.jis.gov.jm/officePM/html/...AMAICANS_ARRIVING_THIS_MORNING.asp The GoJ and JM should be commended for there swift action in taking home all
219 Ilanbwoy : I have read the last 15 or so comments about the possible merger and have come to the following realization. The jamaicans here understand the realiti
220 Captaink : This is so true. We may try to be objective here but it is possible and we know it is, that the Jamaican public will not warm up to the new entity. A
221 Beeweel15 : Is that not like Canadians driving from points in Canada to fly to Jetblue , Southwest or Allegient to get to their destinations. Many drive to BVT ,
222 Post contains links JM079 : I have no objection to the GoJ disposing of its interest in Air Jamaica but it is who the government has selected that has us worry that much thought
223 Caribbean484 : Good point however you forget to neglect that AA, DL, CO, UA, AC, VX, F9, Varig and a host of other private entities in this region have all failed i
224 Post contains links HummingBird : New Thread up.. Martha Brae: Jamaican Thread 23.. (by HummingBird Jan 18 2010 in Civil Aviation)
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