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Delta TXL-JFK Diverted To MSP?  
User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1247 posts, RR: 3
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6323 times:

I checked Delta.com and it say, that today DL079 Berlin-New York/JFK diverted to Minneapolis/St. Paul. Isn't that a bit out of way to diverted coming from Europe! Flight time was over 11 hours, did they carry that much fuel with them?

Also I checked that flight DL079 New York/JFK - Berlin/TXL is cancelled for today as well as DL106 New York/JFK - Frankfurt is cancelled for today. Any reason's why (I know about the weather situation over there, but other flights seem to go)?

How will they get all these passengers over the pond especially for Christmas?


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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6192 times:

I would imagine it had something to do with weather on the east coast. But to answer your question about fuel. They absolutely take enough fuel for their alternate. I would imagine that they had two based on what I have heard about the weather. The first alternate might have been DTW or something and if that one isn't great either MSP is a second alternate. If that is the case (Not uncommon to have two). They would have had to carry the fuel to fly to JFK then on to DTW then on to MSP and 45min of extra fuel. Then if the dispatcher and the pilot were thinking they probably put in like 30min holding fuel. This all totaled would probably be like 11hrs flying time depending on winds.

Remember winter storms aren't so much more powerful than summer thunderstorms as they are bigger. These storms can cover very large geographical areas, so it is not unheard of to have alternates that are hundreds of miles away.



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User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1904 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6100 times:

And you would want to dirvert to an airport where customs is set up and easier re-booking of pax. Now MSP is a bit of a stretch..but maybe considering a number of factors, some unknown to us, maybe MSP was the "best" option.

User currently offlineJimpop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5946 times:

MSP would be best suited to handle connections, no?

User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1175 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5867 times:

I am pretty sure TXL-JFK was canceled today (12/20) and yesterday as well.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21522 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5849 times:



Quoting Jimpop (Reply 3):
MSP would be best suited to handle connections, no?

Not from JFK. DTW would be a better alternative for that.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6300 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5754 times:



Quoting CokePopper (Reply 4):
yesterday as well.

Indeed. My coworker was set to be on DL079 JFK-LAX. I believe it is a different a/c, but nevertheless was cancelled.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5713 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
Not from JFK. DTW would be a better alternative for that.

On paper, it would seem JFK is better. However, if DTW doesn't have much slack due to the storm (people rerouting out of the NE would be booking heavily via DTW), or if many of the passengers were going to west coast cities, MSP could make more sense if they had more seats available to reaccommodate.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4875 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5714 times:
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Quoting CokePopper (Reply 4):
I am pretty sure TXL-JFK was canceled today (12/20)

Actually, TXL-JFK DL079 did go TXL-MSP today instead. Other diversions today:

DL165 DUB-JFK went DUB-DTW
DL031 SVO-JFK went SVO-ATL
DL161 MXP-JFK went MXP-ATL
DL127 MAD-JFK went MAD-CVG
DL209 PRG-JFK went PRG-DTW

The following made it to JFK directly:
DL004, DL002 from LHR
DL107 from FRA
DL167 from ACC
DL133 from ATH
DL073 from IST

The following were cancelled today to JFK because the outbound from JFK last night were cancelled eventually; they were originally scheduled to go:
DL083 from NCE
DL095 from BCN
DL149 from FCO

I am guessing that the diversions were due to only one runway operating at JFK for both takeoffs and landings in the early afternoon; I flew in on DL4 from LHR around 1:15pm and basically only 31L was being used for both takeoffs and landings....And obviously DL diverted to its other hubs so that any hotel stays or onward connections could be more easily arranged.....


User currently offline28thguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5713 times:

I believe that MXP-JFK and SVO-JFK also diverted to ATL today. There must be a strategy there.

User currently offlinePremoBrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5644 times:

Anyone know when it continued on to JFK tonight or if it even did?

There is also a second MSP-LHR flight tonight on an A330-200 (9908). It seems like Delta has done a lot of extra flights to get people where they are going.



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6300 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5535 times:



Quoting 28thguy (Reply 9):
There must be a strategy there.

Clearly connection abilities. If you can't fly into JFK, might as well fly to your largest hub. If someone was, say, SVO-JFK-ORD, it is much easier to accommodate them SVO-ATL-ORD than diverting to some random airport.


User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5441 times:



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 7):
MSP could make more sense if they had more seats available to reaccommodate.

Correct, this looks like a "hail mary" reroute, because both DTW and ATL are probably slammed. MSP has capacity, hotel rooms, and connections to get these people on their way.

Quoting PremoBrimo (Reply 10):
It seems like Delta has done a lot of extra flights to get people where they are going.

Hopefully they are being scientific about how they recover from this. It can be done well. For true recovery expertise, look to AA. Maybe DL has similar skills.


User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2964 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4739 times:

If I had to get diverted to either ATL, CVG, DTW or MSP, I'd take Minny in a heartbeat.
Great airport, lots of good connections and if you need to spend the night, a bunch of hotels nearby, plus the Mall of America just a few stops away using the 55...



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User currently offlineLufthansa411 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4335 times:



Quoting Delta777Jet (Thread starter):
How will they get all these passengers over the pond especially for Christmas?

My friend was supposed to take Delta from TXL-JFK-ATL on Saturday, however because of the weather, they put her on a flight the next day going with LH to MUC and then MUC-ATL on Delta. She was happy about it because it meant she could go to one more show in Berlin. However, from what she said, there was a crowd of angry ppl at the check in area and anyone that knows Tegel knows that there is not much room for an angry mob.  Big grin  frown 



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

I guess this shows one major advantage for the NW/DL merger.
Before, they would have only had CVG and ATL to divert to.
Now with MSP and DTW having good connections, they have another back-up.



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User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3706 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 8):
Actually, TXL-JFK DL079 did go TXL-MSP today instead. Other diversions today:

DL165 DUB-JFK went DUB-DTW
DL031 SVO-JFK went SVO-ATL
DL161 MXP-JFK went MXP-ATL
DL127 MAD-JFK went MAD-CVG
DL209 PRG-JFK went PRG-DTW

DL85 CAI-JFK also went CAI-CVG



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