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Delta TXL-JFK Diverted To MSP?

Delta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1131 posts, RR: 3
Posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

I checked Delta.com and it say, that today DL079 Berlin-New York/JFK diverted to Minneapolis/St. Paul. Isn't that a bit out of way to diverted coming from Europe! Flight time was over 11 hours, did they carry that much fuel with them?

Also I checked that flight DL079 New York/JFK - Berlin/TXL is cancelled for today as well as DL106 New York/JFK - Frankfurt is cancelled for today. Any reason's why (I know about the weather situation over there, but other flights seem to go)?

How will they get all these passengers over the pond especially for Christmas?

Fly easyJet

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MPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 935 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5151 times:

I would imagine it had something to do with weather on the east coast. But to answer your question about fuel. They absolutely take enough fuel for their alternate. I would imagine that they had two based on what I have heard about the weather. The first alternate might have been DTW or something and if that one isn't great either MSP is a second alternate. If that is the case (Not uncommon to have two). They would have had to carry the fuel to fly to JFK then on to DTW then on to MSP and 45min of extra fuel. Then if the dispatcher and the pilot were thinking they probably put in like 30min holding fuel. This all totaled would probably be like 11hrs flying time depending on winds.

Remember winter storms aren't so much more powerful than summer thunderstorms as they are bigger. These storms can cover very large geographical areas, so it is not unheard of to have alternates that are hundreds of miles away.

One mile of highway gets you one mile, one mile of runway gets you anywhere.

TAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1847 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

And you would want to dirvert to an airport where customs is set up and easier re-booking of pax. Now MSP is a bit of a stretch..but maybe considering a number of factors, some unknown to us, maybe MSP was the "best" option.

Jimpop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4905 times:

MSP would be best suited to handle connections, no?

CokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1092 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4826 times:

I am pretty sure TXL-JFK was canceled today (12/20) and yesterday as well.

Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19714 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4808 times:

Quoting Jimpop (Reply 3):
MSP would be best suited to handle connections, no?

Not from JFK. DTW would be a better alternative for that.

-Mir

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SW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6072 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4713 times:

Quoting CokePopper (Reply 4):
yesterday as well.

Indeed. My coworker was set to be on DL079 JFK-LAX. I believe it is a different a/c, but nevertheless was cancelled.

DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 8771 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
Not from JFK. DTW would be a better alternative for that.

On paper, it would seem JFK is better. However, if DTW doesn't have much slack due to the storm (people rerouting out of the NE would be booking heavily via DTW), or if many of the passengers were going to west coast cities, MSP could make more sense if they had more seats available to reaccommodate.

Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4584 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4673 times:

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Quoting CokePopper (Reply 4):
I am pretty sure TXL-JFK was canceled today (12/20)

Actually, TXL-JFK DL079 did go TXL-MSP today instead. Other diversions today:

DL165 DUB-JFK went DUB-DTW
DL031 SVO-JFK went SVO-ATL
DL161 MXP-JFK went MXP-ATL
DL127 MAD-JFK went MAD-CVG
DL209 PRG-JFK went PRG-DTW

The following made it to JFK directly:
DL004, DL002 from LHR
DL107 from FRA
DL167 from ACC
DL133 from ATH
DL073 from IST

The following were cancelled today to JFK because the outbound from JFK last night were cancelled eventually; they were originally scheduled to go:
DL083 from NCE
DL095 from BCN
DL149 from FCO

I am guessing that the diversions were due to only one runway operating at JFK for both takeoffs and landings in the early afternoon; I flew in on DL4 from LHR around 1:15pm and basically only 31L was being used for both takeoffs and landings....And obviously DL diverted to its other hubs so that any hotel stays or onward connections could be more easily arranged.....

28thguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4672 times:

I believe that MXP-JFK and SVO-JFK also diverted to ATL today. There must be a strategy there.

PremoBrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4603 times:

Anyone know when it continued on to JFK tonight or if it even did?

There is also a second MSP-LHR flight tonight on an A330-200 (9908). It seems like Delta has done a lot of extra flights to get people where they are going.

Now You're Flying Smart.

SW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6072 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4494 times:

Quoting 28thguy (Reply 9):
There must be a strategy there.

Clearly connection abilities. If you can't fly into JFK, might as well fly to your largest hub. If someone was, say, SVO-JFK-ORD, it is much easier to accommodate them SVO-ATL-ORD than diverting to some random airport.

Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 7448 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (3 years 5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4400 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 7):
MSP could make more sense if they had more seats available to reaccommodate.

Correct, this looks like a "hail mary" reroute, because both DTW and ATL are probably slammed. MSP has capacity, hotel rooms, and connections to get these people on their way.

Quoting PremoBrimo (Reply 10):
It seems like Delta has done a lot of extra flights to get people where they are going.

Hopefully they are being scientific about how they recover from this. It can be done well. For true recovery expertise, look to AA. Maybe DL has similar skills.

Ushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2888 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

If I had to get diverted to either ATL, CVG, DTW or MSP, I'd take Minny in a heartbeat.
Great airport, lots of good connections and if you need to spend the night, a bunch of hotels nearby, plus the Mall of America just a few stops away using the 55...

Where have all the tri-jets gone...

Lufthansa411 From Germany, joined Jan 2008, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

Quoting Delta777Jet (Thread starter):
How will they get all these passengers over the pond especially for Christmas?

My friend was supposed to take Delta from TXL-JFK-ATL on Saturday, however because of the weather, they put her on a flight the next day going with LH to MUC and then MUC-ATL on Delta. She was happy about it because it meant she could go to one more show in Berlin. However, from what she said, there was a crowd of angry ppl at the check in area and anyone that knows Tegel knows that there is not much room for an angry mob. Big grin

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Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3597 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

I guess this shows one major advantage for the NW/DL merger.
Before, they would have only had CVG and ATL to divert to.
Now with MSP and DTW having good connections, they have another back-up.

Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!

Skibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 8):
Actually, TXL-JFK DL079 did go TXL-MSP today instead. Other diversions today:

DL165 DUB-JFK went DUB-DTW
DL031 SVO-JFK went SVO-ATL
DL161 MXP-JFK went MXP-ATL
DL127 MAD-JFK went MAD-CVG
DL209 PRG-JFK went PRG-DTW

DL85 CAI-JFK also went CAI-CVG

Tailwinds!!!

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