Delta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1420 posts, RR: 2 Posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7191 times:
I checked Delta.com and it say, that today DL079 Berlin-New York/JFK diverted to Minneapolis/St. Paul. Isn't that a bit out of way to diverted coming from Europe! Flight time was over 11 hours, did they carry that much fuel with them?
Also I checked that flight DL079 New York/JFK - Berlin/TXL is cancelled for today as well as DL106 New York/JFK - Frankfurt is cancelled for today. Any reason's why (I know about the weather situation over there, but other flights seem to go)?
How will they get all these passengers over the pond especially for Christmas?
MPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7060 times:
I would imagine it had something to do with weather on the east coast. But to answer your question about fuel. They absolutely take enough fuel for their alternate. I would imagine that they had two based on what I have heard about the weather. The first alternate might have been DTW or something and if that one isn't great either MSP is a second alternate. If that is the case (Not uncommon to have two). They would have had to carry the fuel to fly to JFK then on to DTW then on to MSP and 45min of extra fuel. Then if the dispatcher and the pilot were thinking they probably put in like 30min holding fuel. This all totaled would probably be like 11hrs flying time depending on winds.
Remember winter storms aren't so much more powerful than summer thunderstorms as they are bigger. These storms can cover very large geographical areas, so it is not unheard of to have alternates that are hundreds of miles away.
One mile of highway gets you one mile, one mile of runway gets you anywhere.
TAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6968 times:
And you would want to dirvert to an airport where customs is set up and easier re-booking of pax. Now MSP is a bit of a stretch..but maybe considering a number of factors, some unknown to us, maybe MSP was the "best" option.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8960 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6581 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 5): Not from JFK. DTW would be a better alternative for that.
On paper, it would seem JFK is better. However, if DTW doesn't have much slack due to the storm (people rerouting out of the NE would be booking heavily via DTW), or if many of the passengers were going to west coast cities, MSP could make more sense if they had more seats available to reaccommodate.
Actually, TXL-JFK DL079 did go TXL-MSP today instead. Other diversions today:
DL165 DUB-JFK went DUB-DTW
DL031 SVO-JFK went SVO-ATL
DL161 MXP-JFK went MXP-ATL
DL127 MAD-JFK went MAD-CVG
DL209 PRG-JFK went PRG-DTW
The following made it to JFK directly:
DL004, DL002 from LHR
DL107 from FRA
DL167 from ACC
DL133 from ATH
DL073 from IST
The following were cancelled today to JFK because the outbound from JFK last night were cancelled eventually; they were originally scheduled to go:
DL083 from NCE
DL095 from BCN
DL149 from FCO
I am guessing that the diversions were due to only one runway operating at JFK for both takeoffs and landings in the early afternoon; I flew in on DL4 from LHR around 1:15pm and basically only 31L was being used for both takeoffs and landings....And obviously DL diverted to its other hubs so that any hotel stays or onward connections could be more easily arranged.....
Clearly connection abilities. If you can't fly into JFK, might as well fly to your largest hub. If someone was, say, SVO-JFK-ORD, it is much easier to accommodate them SVO-ATL-ORD than diverting to some random airport.
Ushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2989 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5607 times:
If I had to get diverted to either ATL, CVG, DTW or MSP, I'd take Minny in a heartbeat.
Great airport, lots of good connections and if you need to spend the night, a bunch of hotels nearby, plus the Mall of America just a few stops away using the 55...
My friend was supposed to take Delta from TXL-JFK-ATL on Saturday, however because of the weather, they put her on a flight the next day going with LH to MUC and then MUC-ATL on Delta. She was happy about it because it meant she could go to one more show in Berlin. However, from what she said, there was a crowd of angry ppl at the check in area and anyone that knows Tegel knows that there is not much room for an angry mob.
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