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EasyJet To Launch AMS-PRG And More New Routes  
User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6261 times:

According to luchtvaartnieuws.nl (typically a reliable source, in Dutch), U2 will launch AMS-PRG on 14 May 2010.

They also mention that easyJet has announced or will announce 17 more new routes, but I can't find any information about this elsewhere.

http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/news/?ID=33175

Does anyone here have more details?

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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6249 times:

I hope it's true. Since Sky Europe went bankrupt I miss a lot of cheap options/routes from PRG.

User currently offlineSpantax From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 323 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5933 times:

I was wondering why has Easyjet renounced to be the biggest european LCC. They are serving good airports with a lot of potential and available slots (MAD, BRU, BCN, ...) but seem too timid. For instance, a route BRU-MAD could be a killer one, against IB or FR (which flies to/from CRL, Charleroi, a very inconvenient airport for travelers from Brussels). Or is a question of not having enough cash to buy new aircraft? Regards


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User currently offlineLIPZ From Austria, joined Jun 2006, 1075 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5905 times:

Already bookable

PRG AMS 1700 1835
AMS PRG 1905 2035


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5878 times:

STN-DBV and SPU for summer 2010 is loaded, select LON to see them.

User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5678 times:



Quoting LIPZ (Reply 3):
Already bookable

PRG AMS 1700 1835
AMS PRG 1905 2035

Huh? So it's a PRG based aircraft? Do they have a base at PRG at all? I thought it would bean AMS based one.

Quoting Spantax (Reply 2):
was wondering why has Easyjet renounced to be the biggest european LCC. They are serving good airports with a lot of potential and available slots (MAD, BRU, BCN,

They are way more expensive then FR, even including the transport costs to and from airports. And the funny things is, for a business traveller it might be better to choose FR at smaller airports since the most companies are located outside cities, not in the centre. From my experience as a business travel advisor most clients were not managers, but sales persons looking for deals with new companies in the middle of nowhere and mechanics repairing industrial equipment.


User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5640 times:

I wish they'd offer some new routes ex DTM. Oh well. I guess Wizzair will get more of my money.  Wink


Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 5476 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 5):

Huh? So it's a PRG based aircraft? Do they have a base at PRG at all? I thought it would bean AMS based one.

Neither airport is a base. So there are 3 options:

1) We will soon see an announcement for PRG becoming a base
2) We will soon see an announcement of another new route to PRG from an existing base, so a W-route will be operated
3) We will see current schedules from bases to PRG being adjusted to make an aircraft available to operate XXX-PRG-AMS-PRG-XXX

I would put my money on 2, for example from FCO.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 5):
They are way more expensive then FR

easyJet's average fare is indeed considerably higher than Ryanair's. Per their latest investor presentations, FR charges on average EUR 33, U2 has an average fare of GBP 50. Depending on the exchange rate used over the book year, that's 60% to 100% more expensive.

Comparing both, FR offers more ultra-low priced tickets (EUR 5 all-in, etc), basically negative fares (FR absorbs taxes) as a means of marketing. Although U2 does offer negative fares from time to time, they do it way less often than FR. Typically, their prices start at the price of the taxes, but not less.

However, when booking on shorter notice (say 2 weeks in advance), in my experience, there is not so much difference between the fares charged by both carriers. Actually, FR often charges even more than U2, for example on EIN-STN (versus AMS-LON on U2).

Quoting KL911 (Reply 5):
even including the transport costs to and from airports.

This of course depends a lot on where you live and what mode of transport you want to use, and how many people you are traveling with. Especially when traveling with a group, parking costs per head become lower  Smile

Quoting Spantax (Reply 2):
Or is a question of not having enough cash to buy new aircraft? Regards

It's a question of selecting routes with the highest potential revenues. easyJet typically does a thorough analysis of route performance before starting it, amongst others by analyzing the average fares charged by competitors on the route. When this fare is high, and the market seems to have a price-sensivity, they can start the route. Thereby, more and more, they don't start thinking from their existing bases, but just from routes. This opens the door of operating more W-pattern routes, rather than just base-destination.

Take a look at sheet 28 from this presentation: http://corporate.easyjet.com/~/media...ations/easyjet_results_YE_2007.pdf

In the last years, they have started a significant amount of W-routes:
NAP-VCE, NAP-IBZ, VCE-IBZ;
DTM to KRK, SKG, PMI, BCN, BUD;
AMS-PRG, AMS-SPU;
BRU-NCE; BIO-IBZ, LIS-FNC;

With regards to new aircraft: this is actually an issue currently at U2: the board of directors really wants to place a new big order and expand, to take advantage of the economic situation; but Stelios, the main shareholder, wants to calm down a bit and only have moderate growth. To be continued...


User currently offlineOkJET From Czech Republic, joined Jan 2006, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 6 days ago) and read 5420 times:



Quoting Joost (Reply 7):
Neither airport is a base. So there are 3 options:

1) We will soon see an announcement for PRG becoming a base
2) We will soon see an announcement of another new route to PRG from an existing base, so a W-route will be operated
3) We will see current schedules from bases to PRG being adjusted to make an aircraft available to operate XXX-PRG-AMS-PRG-XXX

I would put my money on 2, for example from FCO.

And you are right, number 2 it is. It will be CDG based aircraft.

The schedule should be:
CDG - PRG 14:50/16:30
PRG - AMS 17:00/18:35
AMS - PRG 19:00/20:35
PRG - CDG 21:05/22:50


User currently offlineDarr34 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5124 times:



Quoting Richardw (Reply 4):
STN-DBV and SPU for summer 2010 is loaded, select LON to see them

Also STN - BJV 3x weekly. Also comically East Midlands(all airports) appears in the STN drop down menu...an error me thinks!!

So adding the 3 new STN routes to CAG which was annouced last month, does this mean STN is getting an extra aircraft for the summer? That would be a bit of a U turn as in the last couple of years EZY have been reducing the number of STN based aircraft.


User currently offlineDarr34 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5119 times:

And now STN- DLM is also bookable !

User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5039 times:



Quoting Darr34 (Reply 9):
So adding the 3 new STN routes to CAG which was annouced last month, does this mean STN is getting an extra aircraft for the summer?

I don't know how many aircraft they used to fly from STN, but looking at the schedules, they intend to use 12 aircraft next summer.

There are some remarkable late rotations, like:
STN-IBZ-STN: 2110-0315
STN-ALC-ATN: 1945-0130
STN-AGP-STN: 2005-0220

So they surely have a high utilization.

There is also one interesting aircraft exchange done with NCL: the early morning flight from NCL to STN stays at STN; the early morning flight from STN to NCL stays at NCL. So they basically swap aircraft every morning.


User currently offlineDarr34 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5019 times:



Quoting Joost (Reply 11):
There is also one interesting aircraft exchange done with NCL: the early morning flight from NCL to STN stays at STN; the early morning flight from STN to NCL stays at NCL. So they basically swap aircraft every morning.

Do they not swap back again at AGP? I flew to there a couple of weeks back (from STN) and we flew out on a NCL aircraft but back on a STN one....think you can see that by the schedule, there is only a 10 minute difference in arrival times at AGP, thus one aircraft does NCL-STN-AGP-NCL and the other does STN-NCL-AGP-STN. Maybe it's the same for summer schedule?


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4767 times:



Quoting Darr34 (Reply 12):
Do they not swap back again at AGP?

This indeed seems to be the case for the summer:
NCL-STN: 07:00-08:10
STN-AGP: 08:35-12:25
AGP-NCL: 13:00-15:10

STN-NCL: 07:00-08:05
NCL-AGP: 08:30-12:40
AGP-STN: 13:15-15:05

Results indeed in two times 35 min turnaroun at AGP, and 25 min at both STN and NCL.

Personally I find it very interesting to operate such a type of schedules, as it increases planning flexibility and thereby potentially increases aircraft and crew utilization.

On a side note, U2 should really improve it's website communication. Today they still don't mention the new routes anywhere on the site (latest news item is about the GSM rescue pack), although they are open for booking. Also, they still have not included DSA on the map, showing these routes in the upper left corner. Also, no news item on DSA and other new routes.


User currently offlineJpiddink From Netherlands, joined Feb 2009, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4727 times:

from looking at http://www.easyjet.com/asp/NL/routemap/, one might draw the conclusion that U2 will also start new flights from Reykjavik to AMS, PRG, BCN, PMI and FAO, but then again it might just be a website error...

User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4712 times:



Quoting Jpiddink (Reply 14):
from looking at http://www.easyjet.com/asp/NL/routemap/, one might draw the conclusion that U2 will also start new flights from Reykjavik to AMS, PRG, BCN, PMI and FAO, but then again it might just be a website error...

That is supposed to be DSA (Doncaste Sheffield Airport). This error pops up all the time when a new airport is added and it usually takes up to a week before they fix it.

When they added DUS to their network (first from BSL only) thy also had a lne from BSL to "Reykjavik".


User currently offlineDarr34 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4561 times:

At least "East Midlands (all airports)" has now been removed from the STN drop down menu  Smile

Talking of Reykjavik, would that not be a possible future EZY destination ?

Quoting Joost (Reply 13):
On a side note, U2 should really improve it's website communication

I guess maybe with so many cancelled flights at the moment due to the bad weather, they feel it's not a good time to be annoucing new routes! I agree though, it's communication section isn't as good as the rest of the site, and there are alot less new posts than on the FR equivilent


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4510 times:



Quoting Darr34 (Reply 16):

Talking of Reykjavik, would that not be a possible future EZY destination ?

I seem to recall that they have served it a long time ago, around 2001 or something like that. They might make it work as a summer-only 4-weekly flight from LGW perhaps.

Quoting Darr34 (Reply 16):
I guess maybe with so many cancelled flights at the moment due to the bad weather, they feel it's not a good time to be annoucing new routes!

Well, they didn't announce DSA either, and the weather was still good by then.

Quoting Darr34 (Reply 16):
I agree though, it's communication section isn't as good as the rest of the site, and there are alot less new posts than on the FR equivilent

Yes it's really a pity as their site is pretty okay, and also the Investor Relations section shows much nice information.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4471 times:



Quoting Joost (Reply 17):
Quoting Darr34 (Reply 16):

Talking of Reykjavik, would that not be a possible future EZY destination ?

I seem to recall that they have served it a long time ago, around 2001 or something like that. They might make it work as a summer-only 4-weekly flight from LGW perhaps.

Go flew to Iceland, not sure if it was axed by the time Easyjet took them over, or if it was shortly after



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User currently offlineDarr34 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2009, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4367 times:



Quoting Joost (Reply 17):
Well, they didn't announce DSA either, and the weather was still good by then.

True. Well hopefully this time it's because they are going to launch even more routes and they're waiting to announce them all at the same time..

Quoting Humberside (Reply 18):
Go flew to Iceland, not sure if it was axed by the time Easyjet took them over, or if it was shortly after

Yes, I seem to remember that, although not sure if it was still operating at the time of the EZY takeover. Have some old GO inflight magazines at home, be interesting to drag them out. Seem to remember they operated TFS around that time but dropped that as well


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

IIRC the Go KEF and TFS routes were overnighters and the TFS service required a fuel stop.

User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4004 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4286 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 5):
They are way more expensive then FR, even including the transport costs to and from airports. And the funny things is, for a business traveller it might be better to choose FR at smaller airports since the most companies are located outside cities, not in the centre. From my experience as a business travel advisor most clients were not managers, but sales persons looking for deals with new companies in the middle of nowhere and mechanics repairing industrial equipment.

But I have never heard stuff like this from the Easyjet CEO:

Quote:
A staff get another pasting as he [i.e. Michael O'Leray] moves on to talk about management consultants (“should all be euthanised”) and MBAs (“bullshit”). “MBA students come out with, ‘The customer’s always right,’” he says, adopting a whiny voice. “Horseshit! The customer’s usually wrong! And, ‘My staff is my most important asset.’ Bullshit! Staff is usually your biggest cost!”

And then there is that other source of endless aggravation, Ryanair’s passengers. Especially the ones wrecking his efforts to shave luggage-handling costs by checking in their cases (for an extra £30) because they are “too mentally bloody lazy to travel with carry-on bags”.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/073c8d40-e9ca-11de-ae43-00144feab49a.html

I don't want somebody I am doing business with describe me as a "source of endless aggravation", as "too mentally bloody lazy" or "usually being wrong".

So it's worth quite a few bucks to avoid Ryanair.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4190 times:

New routes:

BRS-BJV, DLM, HER
LPL-BJV
CDG-AGP, PMI, PRG, SPU, TLS
FCO-MLA, NCE
GVA-BDS, FAO, HER
MXP-MAH
ORY-VCE
AMS-PRG - as mentioned in this thread
STN-BJV, DBV, DLM, SPU

In my Peanuts Daily email today:

"easyJet stated it would place stronger focus on Turkey in the coming year by launching five additional routes to the country, with the carrier adding that “low fare flights in Turkey have a big potential, even though their market share is only 3%” (Today’s Zaman, 22-Dec-2009). easyJet will launch 21 news routes in 2010, five of which will be to Dalaman and Bodrum in the European Summer."

Evidently this Turkish expansion has begun with BJV to be served from BRS, LPL and STN, and DLM from BRS and STN. EZY already serves BJV from LGW and DLM from LGW and MAN.

[Edited 2009-12-23 12:28:08]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4166 times:



Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 21):

But I have never heard stuff like this from the Easyjet CEO:



Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 21):
A staff get another pasting as he [i.e. Michael O'Leray] moves on to talk about management consultants (“should all be euthanised”) and MBAs (“bullshit”)

Well, considering that he studies business studies at Trinity college himself, I can just laugh about it and enjoy my EUR 20-fares for weekend breaks  Wink

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 22):
ORY-VCE

I'd think AMS-VCE could be high on their list. KLM is currently the only carrier on this route with a high tourist and business potential, both ways. VCE is basically the gateway for the Eastern half of Northern Italy. KLM flies it 3 daily (F70/100 in winter, 737 in summer) with fares starting at EUR 261 r/t. (!) (AMS-FCO used to be as expensive before U2 started the route).


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4156 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 23):
I can just laugh about it

Yeah - my wife and I just laugh at the stuff he comes out with.

Quoting Joost (Reply 23):
I'd think AMS-VCE could be high on their list.

Certainly! Of course, don't forget that HV flies AMS-TSF. I did a very quick search and the cheapest I could find was €144.24 return all-in - which is evidently far lower than KL's minimum but nevertheless is not good to me at least and in itself. I agree: considerable potential for EZY on AMS-VCE.

[Edited 2009-12-23 12:38:18]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
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