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Air Comet Shuts Down  
User currently offlineRogerbcn From Andorra, joined Sep 2006, 1209 posts, RR: 20
Posted (5 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 20105 times:

Bona nit!

According to unions Air Comet is shutting down and stop flying right away tonight, Dec. 21st.

No more information so far, I have just listened to it on the radio and no written information on newspapers or Air Comet website www.aircomet.com

Expect a high number of families going home for Christmas stranded at airports: MAD, EZE... as they served basically Latin America from MAD. Remember Air Madrid closure....

Salut!

Roger

[Edited 2009-12-21 11:37:28 by rogerbcn]


"At reise er at leve" H.C. Andersen (Travelling is Living)
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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 20082 times:

Just saw it on the TV news.

Get ready for a big chaos at MAD (T1) for the next few days. Lots of stranded pax asking for their money or demanding a way to get to their destinations.

Here we go again!!...



¡¡VIVA ESPAÑA!!
User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 19956 times:

When will airlines like this learn? They are really giving Spanish aviation a bad name.
Sorry if I offend anybody from Spain whilst saying this



Zanair flight, please hold on finals as we have to clear rhino's off the runway. Next flight KUL-FRA-AMS Flown in A319,A
User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6357 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 19895 times:



Quoting DALCA (Reply 2):
They are really giving Spanish aviation a bad name.

Not only spain....Scottish airline Flyglobespan did the same a few days ago



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User currently offlineAustralis From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 19605 times:

Guess the directors of Air Comet could at least shut the operation down a few weeks ago and not keep taking money from people that needed to travel during the current busy season of Christmas.

Very sad to see....


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8596 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 19583 times:
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Very sad but not unexpected, it does seem they have some troubles for a while now.

I did like their livery, not that that counts for much.



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User currently offlineDCAJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 445 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 19582 times:



Quoting DALCA (Reply 2):
When will airlines like this learn? They are really giving Spanish aviation a bad name.
Sorry if I offend anybody from Spain whilst saying this

While not from Spain myself, no one reasonable can take offense at your remark. This was just waiting to happen. And they managed to last one year after having their life line cut from Buenos Aires. If they managed to last this long was due to the political connections of one of the owners, Gerardo Diaz Ferran, who is the president of Spain's powerful and super well connected CEOE - Confederación Española de Organizaciones Empresariales.

Regards,



"Unattended children will be given espresso and a free kitten"
User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 19523 times:



Quoting Australis (Reply 4):
Guess the directors of Air Comet could at least shut the operation down a few weeks ago and not keep taking money from people that needed to travel during the current busy season of Christmas.

I guess the buy out of Air Comet by the Antillean investor is then also off?? Usually you don´t shut a company down if there is an investor lining up (unless the investors are only interested in Air Comet if it declared bankruptcy)


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3258 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 19362 times:

It is very sad to hear this, so soon before Christmas and some5thing that will add to the travel chaos across Europe in general right now. That said, the writing was on the wall when a few weeks ago, Air Comet flights to EZE had to divert to CUR for fuel because they could not overfly Venezuela or Brazil due to unpaid overflight fees.

My thoughts are for all those affected in one way or another. 2009 has certainly not been kind to airlines.

TrinToCan.



Hop to it, fly for life!
User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6372 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19286 times:



Quoting Trintocan (Reply 8):
Air Comet flights to EZE had to divert to CUR for fuel because they could not overfly Venezuela or Brazil due to unpaid overflight fees.

Wow, very interesting, I had missed this. So, the direct path from CUR-EZE still has them over Venezuela and Brazil...I take it they would have to lengthen that a bit to overfly Colombia/Bolivia/Peru/Paraguay instead? Yikes...


User currently offlineChootie From Germany, joined May 2007, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19196 times:

I can only repeat what TrinToCan has stated...... 2009 has not been kind at all..

For the rest I wish you all a Merry Christmas, and a Happy, Healthy 2010.. things can only get better.  santahat   santahat   crossfingers 



chootie
User currently offlineDALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19102 times:



Quoting Trintocan (Reply 8):
My thoughts are for all those affected in one way or another. 2009 has certainly not been kind to airlines.

Well said, small gain is that the other airlines on the route these will be pick up more traffic and so be able to get more cash and therefore help them get out of the red figures.

Oh, and of course my best wishes the passangers who have to find another way home for x-mas.



Zanair flight, please hold on finals as we have to clear rhino's off the runway. Next flight KUL-FRA-AMS Flown in A319,A
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 19005 times:



Quoting Rogerbcn (Thread starter):
No more information so far, I have just listened to it on the radio and no written information on newspapers or Air Comet website www.aircomet.com

Expect a high number of families going home for Christmas stranded at airports: MAD, EZE... as they served basically Latin America from MAD. Remember Air Madrid closure....

Indeed it sounds like it's NM's shutdown all over again.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27337 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 18895 times:

Maybe there needs to be more regulation on carriers to avoid all this chaos in the future.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31433 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 18876 times:
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Quoting Australis (Reply 4):
Guess the directors of Air Comet could at least shut the operation down a few weeks ago and not keep taking money from people that needed to travel during the current busy season of Christmas.

Or Air Comet was using that money to (help) fund operations to this point.


User currently offlineDCAjet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 445 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 17961 times:



Quoting SW733 (Reply 9):
Air Comet flights to EZE had to divert to CUR for fuel because they could not overfly Venezuela or Brazil due to unpaid overflight fees.

Wow, very interesting, I had missed this. So, the direct path from CUR-EZE still has them over Venezuela and Brazil...I take it they would have to lengthen that a bit to overfly Colombia/Bolivia/Peru/Paraguay instead? Yikes...

Actual routing to avoid Brazil airspace was MAD-LIM-EZE, probably adding a good 6 -7 hours to the MAD-EZE

Rgds.



"Unattended children will be given espresso and a free kitten"
User currently offlineTravelExec From Spain, joined Dec 2007, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 17520 times:

Any ideas as to where their aircraft will end up?

User currently offlineMestrugo From Chile, joined Apr 2007, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 17453 times:

El Pais informs:

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/econo...elpepueco/20091221elpepueco_16/Tes

Looks like they're shutting down 'cause a British judge issued an impound order over their planes.


User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1786 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 17419 times:



Quoting DCAJet (Reply 6):
If they managed to last this long was due to the political connections of one of the owners, Gerardo Diaz Ferran, who is the president of Spain's powerful and super well connected CEOE - Confederación Española de Organizaciones Empresariales.

Not to mention he's a director of Caja Madrid, Spain's third largest financial institution (and probably the largest funder of unqualified enterprises) which also happens to control IB.

Caja Madrid's President went out to the media a couple of days ago accusing Diaz-Ferran of having cheated the bank out of a $26 million euro loan. That may have been the last nail in the coffin, as any other line-of-credit they had from other banks was likely shut off.


User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 17169 times:



Quoting Australis (Reply 4):
Guess the directors of Air Comet could at least shut the operation down a few weeks ago and not keep taking money from people that needed to travel during the current busy season of Christmas

They are well-known in Spain and Latin America because their poor management, everyday bad practices, staff with not salaries, Air Madrid precedent, travel agents warning customers against risk of flying A7, problems with Argentinian Govt. etc etc ...

Sorry, there is not excuses here. Maybe you don't know it because you're an Australian, but here in Spain and many Latin American countries including Argentina everybody knew about Air Comet and that idiot, Diaz Ferrán. He's a shame for the CEOE.

Quoting Chootie (Reply 10):
I can only repeat what TrinToCan has stated...... 2009 has not been kind at all

2009 has not any fault about how poorly A7 has been managed.

Actually I find very funny blame always to the years  Silly for any inconvenience than people have



Time flies! Enjoy life!
User currently offlinePlaneguy From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 16565 times:

They're still offering promotional fares on their website! It's the Air Madrid sequel....incredible!!

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 16077 times:
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Is there anyway we'll see IB, Air Europa, LA, add some additional flights so all these people will not be left stranded for the holidays?

User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1786 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 16009 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 21):
Is there anyway we'll see IB, Air Europa, LA, add some additional flights so all these people will not be left stranded for the holidays?

Probably at the Spanish governments expense, which will then pass along the costs to Air Comet's liability sheet.


User currently offlineFlygbear From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15767 times:
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Would it make any difference for the airlines' creditors to wait a few weeks to allow what usually is such a profitable period for the carrier? I honestly don't know?
But the apparent "slap in the face" to their passengers during the holiday season is just cruel. I'll light a candle for the ck-in agents dealing with the stranded holiday travelers face to face. I've been there before myself and I wouldn't wish a day on the job with such chaos and frustration on my worst enemy.



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User currently offlineOP3000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 1786 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 days ago) and read 15484 times:



Quoting Flygbear (Reply 23):
I'll light a candle for the ck-in agents dealing with the stranded holiday travelers face to face. I've been there before myself and I wouldn't wish a day on the job with such chaos and frustration on my worst enemy.

Yes, talk about a thankless job, particularly in Air Comet's case when on top of everything employees have not and will likely not get paid.


25 Post contains links IberiaA319 : According to the latest news, the Spanish Ministry of Public Works has required Air Comet to find a solution for the stranded passengers within 12 ho
26 Planenutz : I kust clicked on the webpage and and they don't seem to be saying anything about stopping all ops. Anyway, I truly feel sorry for all pax that were s
27 Post contains links R2rho : Unfortunately, we've been expecting this to happen for months now.... Air Comet Going Belly Up? (by Heavierthanair Nov 6 2009 in Civil Aviation) This
28 Post contains links Summa767 : It would seem that there is a possibility that Air Comet may be bought by Germán Efromovich, the main shareholder in Avianca and Taca. http://www.cot
29 OP3000 : Just like LA and others, that line of business would make only marginal sense for Synergy, although if the price is good Efromovich isn't always pick
30 Flying Belgian : Sad for the travellers. But not unexpected at all... They leased brand new Airbuses A332 at a rate of 900.000$, so it's no suprise at all that the lea
31 Post contains links OP3000 : Stranded Air Comet passengers have been blocking the access road to T1 at MAD, in protest and demand for their bookings: http://www.elpais.com/articul
32 R2rho : Yes, the market need is there but up to now both attempts (Air Madrid, Air Comet) have ended up as huge failures and big embarassments for Spanish av
33 ZRH : Does this have an effect on the order of the 4 A 380 of Group Marsans (mother company of Comet)? I think there was no plan that an A 380 should go to
34 EXCOASA1982 : I've never worked at an airline that ceased operations so I'm wondering, what would the agents do? Why would they bother working if the company was c
35 Stitch : According to Wiki, Grupo Marsans ordered 4 A380-800s, 10 A350XWB-900s, 13 A330-200s and 42 A320 family airplanes for Air Comet. If A7 liquidates, I w
36 Post contains links Robffm2 : The site http://www.aircomet.com/ seems to be down now.
37 2travel2know : When Air Madrid went belly-up, the Ecuadorean government sent a B737-300 (don't remember whose) to take stranded passengers to/from MAD. AeroSur unde
38 BOAC911 : No. Actually, the airline is down. It's very simple: When there's no money, there's no money. There's no airline, and no more website.
39 Trucker : So why do you need to fly via LIM here? Just stay out over the Atlantic ocean. If there was an emergency I think Brazil would still let the plane lan
40 UALWN : They didn't choose the time: Yes, it is remarkable that the CEOE is headed by such an incompetent businessman...
41 R2rho : Well, these airlines have been excellent cases of bad management, so they are not a good example. They overstretched their airplanes, crews, etc to t
42 Post contains links Robffm2 : According to NDR Fernsehen the planes belong now to HSH Nordbank. Also confirmed here: http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...rline%20Air%20Comet%20Sh
43 LJ : Actually, if the reciever employes you, you get at least paid your wage from the moment the company went bankrupt (at least that's the policy in many
44 EZEIZA : amazing but it's true, both falling during the xmas holidays. I feel sad for all the pax, but also for the staff. I believe the order was put in plac
45 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : I've realized London, Paris and Rome didn't appear into its website anymore, since many weeks backward. . I've just found this information coming from
46 Gonzalo : That can be a good move in terms of PR, but they don't have any obligation to do nothing for the stranded passengers. In the case I know the most ( L
47 Post contains links IBERIA747 : According to news reports, starting tomorrow IB will operate several charter flights to transport up to 3,500 pax between MAD, and EZE, BOG, LIM, UIO
48 Airportmanager : Im wondering what will people do now with Air Madrid's problem, I mean, Air comet, well they seem the same dont they. In a local news paper I read a f
49 GatoVolador : IB is taking over these passengers in its own aircrafts and contracting some wet-leased flights to Air Pulmantur (3 x B747) to operate some temporary
50 Camiloa380 : Im glad that they closed, my memories about what they did in AR are REALLY bad, was about time they closed. CamiloA380
51 RAFVC10 : European flights were stopped in May due to an advertisement of embargo of the A320 fleet if it left Spanish airspace. During two o three weeks, thes
52 IberiaA319 : These are the flights: IB2820 to Buenos Aires, to be operated with 747 (Air Pullmantur), scheduled departure at 20:10 IB6655 to Lima, to be operated
53 F9Animal : Yes, I agree. Why do airlines shut down right before Christmas? This is just terrible! I agree. This just really peeves me! Which is tragic! I feel b
54 Summa767 : The reaction from the Spanish government has come quickly and effectively in finding solutions for the stranded passengers, abd they deserve credit f
55 Flying Belgian : I try to understand. A private company goes down, customers were warned of the risk to book on that particular airline. And still the Spanish taxpaye
56 Summa767 : Who warned those passengers that booking a ticket on Air Comet was risky? The Spanish government did not, and as regulators they do bear a responsibi
57 Flying Belgian : Type "Air Comet, reliability, stranded, cancellations, lost baggage" on Google... And you'll see. I was about to book for myself back in October. A q
58 Thorben : This is just sad, very sad. I liked Air Comet's colours and I was hoping they could become a real alternative to IB on flights to South/Latin America,
59 Airportmanager : What dates are these on? And what about the Quito flight? I heard it will be on the 25th but what airline, or what A/C will operate them, and last wh
60 Post contains links IberiaA319 : Air Comet Chile is out of operation for more than a year now, it shut down in December 2008. In Spanish: http://envivodesdescl.blogspot.com/2.../quie
61 Post contains links Avionpg : WSJ article on why air comet air transport group deal ruined Air Transport: Air Comet Deal Ruined By Plane Repossessions MADRID (Dow Jones)--The repos
62 R2rho : I wouldn't trust Wiki too much on that. After the expropriation of AR by the Argentinian government (AFAIK, Marsans has yet to receive any sort of pa
63 SKY1 : There was a comprehensive Media (TV, papers, radio) coverage about the financial status of A7, not only in Spain but also in South America. When Braz
64 MD11junkie : LOL!!!!!! Marsans will not receive more than $1 (ARS 1) for AR, as they turned it into the ground. They bought the debt instead of cancelling it with
65 YVRLTN : Dear ILFC Those unallocated A380's you have on order, how quickly could we have them?? Signed IB or Dear TG / MH / VS Those A380's you ordered and don
66 Lightsaber : I hope the stranded passengers are still able to get home for the holidays. Those A330's will not be difficult to place... Yea... how dare a creditor
67 MD11junkie : Well, actually, there's: 6x week UX flight on A330-200. 14x week IB on A340-600 (20x week during peak season) 7x week AR on 747-400 (17x week during
68 Trex8 : those 2 A332s owned by Nordbank have been sitting at TLS since March and May and there are 3 others originally destined for Air Comet which rolled of
69 Kogge : Not sure if it is so easy to place A330-200 now... As mentioned those two ofiicially delivered to HSH Nordbank in June and July are still sitting on
70 Kaiarahi : It's sometimes useful to read previous posts.
71 R2rho : IB's route network could easily support a fleet of 5 A380's. That's too small a subfleet for one airline, but now with the IB-BA merger, a fleet of 1
72 Trex8 : aren't 1031 and 1042 for Aerolineas Argentinas?1031 already has blue engines, 42 is in primer only though 1054 and 59 in brown primer at TLS already
73 MD11junkie : Nope, that deal went down due to the lack of financing. Saludos,
74 Airportmanager : Does anyone know at what time the air Pullmantur 744 departs madrid and arrives QUITO? It was supposed to leave and arrive on the 25th. I'd love to go
75 MD11junkie : It's supposed to depart MAD, 25/12 at 11.30am (actually scheduled for 11.00am, but expected to depart 30 min late). Saludos,
76 IberiaA319 : Actually the Pullmantur Air flight has a delay of three hours, due to the late arrival of the aircraft at Barajas Airport and due to late deck crew b
77 Post contains links Airportmanager : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/IBE2824 Tracking it, its gonn abe night time here when it arrives! Ill have to do my best! Thanks for the info. BTW
78 IberiaA319 : Today's Iberia flight to Quito (IB6463) is running normally with a little delay of less than 30 minutes. The Airbus 340 that will show up this aftern
79 IBERIA747 : Nope. IB6463 (MAD-UIO) is operating normally today (IB6464 is UIO - MAD). It left the gate at 12:29 pm today (Madrid time, scheduled at 12:00) and to
80 Airportmanager : So I heard in the news Air Europa will operate 3 more flights to Ecuador. Any one know what dates or time this will happen? Is this UIO and GYE? Inter
81 Post contains links IberiaA319 : Air Europa will open a new scheduled route, but to Lima. This route will start on the 22nd of February, with thrice-weekly flights. Iberia will offer
82 Acelanzarote : Where are Air Europa finding the plane to do this flight, they only have 4 x A330 and the 1 x B767 so how much more can they fit it,,,,! Perhaps they
83 SJOtoLIR : Back to the former topic, IB is boosting selected services to South America due to the collapse of Air Comet. IB MAD-LIM would be increased from 7x to
84 SKY1 : Also, Air Europa will fly LIM starting 22 Feb. 3x week. It's good having more UX long-haul flights out of MAD.
85 SJOtoLIR : Additional flights on IB for Madrid - Buenos Aires: IB6847.........MAD 01:45..........EZE 10:30...............342.........Mo, We IB6849.........MAD 10
86 MD11junkie : Is this the newly reconfigured A340-300X? Where will they get the planes to do this? They are already flying 6x weekly to EZE (planning on putting th
87 Asiaflyer : Does not IB still have 3 stored A346 at LDE? Msn 960, 993 and 1017 was ferried direct from TLS to LDE for storage last year.
88 IBERIA747 : Yes. The newly reconfigured A340-300s are shown as 342 and the A340-600s are shown as 345. Just flew to GUA on one of the "342"s (EC-GPB) and the sea
89 Post contains links OP3000 : Pretty shamefully, the board of the CEOE (Spanish National Business Council) has not asked Air Comet owner, Gerardo Diaz Ferran, to resign from the pr
90 Skyone : Ok, seating at the IB VIP lounge at MAD T4S terminal and was enjoying my OJ when I saw an Air Comet A330-200 (was not able to see the registration) li
91 Post contains links OP3000 : The Spanish attorney general is investigating Air Comet owners for committing fraud: http://www.abc.es/20100122/economia-...usa-comet-fraude-201001221
92 Flying Belgian : If anyone here has info on A7's fleet fate, I'm interested. Thanks in advance, FB.
93 MD11junkie : I believe the A330s have been repossesed by Nord Bank and are now wearing irish reggoes, in MUC. Saludos,
94 Trex8 : do Nordbank also own the Grupo marsans A332s stored at Lourdes and Toulouse?
95 Clydenairways : I think i read somewhere that 2 of them were at BEY being prepared for lease to Batavia.
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