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All BA Flights After 1900 Grounded To UK & Europe  
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26909 posts, RR: 58
Posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9051 times:

According to Sky News and BA.com

FLIGHT DISRUPTION - WEATHER UPDATE

With more snow falling in the South East of England, flights in and out of London are severely disrupted.

London Heathrow
All European and UK Domestic flights departing after 1900 tonight are now cancelled.

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/home/public/en_gb


What with the Eurostar and airports its becoming a terrible time to travel.

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User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9012 times:

This would seem to be BA doing a "reset" for tomorrow morning to get the EU/Dom fleet in the right locations etc.
LHR hasn't closed at all this evening and plenty of BA are still on approach (at 2030L).
A BMI flight to BRU has just departed, as has a SAS flight to OSL.



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User currently offlineArticulatexpat From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2006, 156 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8150 times:

I've got a colleague here in HK trying to get back to MAN tonight, via LHR. BA is saying all domestic UK flights are cancelled due to weather. She's frustrated, though, because the weather there doesn't look that bad. The idea of a 'reset' would seem to make sense. Does anybody have any insight into this? She's got until later tonight (8.30ish HK time) to make up her mind whether she's going. The HKG - LHR flight still seems OK to depart, but the question is what'll happen in London. Any sage advice? Would she be better to wait this one out, or does it seem that by the time she gets to London, internal flights will be operating again? Thanks in advance... she's already been through the wringer because of the strike threat, and now this. Salvaging a holiday would be a Good Thing.  Smile

User currently offlineFlyingfool From Netherlands, joined May 2005, 437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7975 times:



Quoting Articulatexpat (Reply 2):
Would she be better to wait this one out, or does it seem that by the time she gets to London, internal flights will be operating again?

She should go I think, there are more options to get from London to Manchester.
I'm not aware how the rail connections currently are in the UK, but there should by a way to travel from LON to MAN, it's not such a long travel...

Mike


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3546 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7947 times:



Quoting Flyingfool (Reply 3):
Quoting Articulatexpat (Reply 2):
Would she be better to wait this one out, or does it seem that by the time she gets to London, internal flights will be operating again?

She should go I think, there are more options to get from London to Manchester.
I'm not aware how the rail connections currently are in the UK, but there should by a way to travel from LON to MAN, it's not such a long travel...

National rail appears to be running ok, its only Eurostar which have had significant problems.

Providing the traveller is willing to think for themself, and accept minor changes to their travel arrangements they should be fine.


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7884 times:



Quoting Articulatexpat (Reply 2):
I've got a colleague here in HK trying to get back to MAN tonight, via LHR. BA is saying all domestic UK flights are cancelled due to weather. She's frustrated, though, because the weather there doesn't look that bad. The idea of a 'reset' would seem to make sense. Does anybody have any insight into this? She's got until later tonight (8.30ish HK time) to make up her mind whether she's going. The HKG - LHR flight still seems OK to depart, but the question is what'll happen in London. Any sage advice? Would she be better to wait this one out, or does it seem that by the time she gets to London, internal flights will be operating again? Thanks in advance... she's already been through the wringer because of the strike threat, and now this. Salvaging a holiday would be a Good Thing.  

Lots of flights Dom and Euro flights are canx this morning due to last nights cancellations.

The network was getting more and more delayed due to weather in London and across Europe so I think it was a good idea to stop and try again today. Try to get planes and crews in the right place.
They were laying on buses to Domestic destinations however and I guess will be doing so again today, and putting larger aircraft on.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26909 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7842 times:

Sky News says all BA flights to GLA are cancelled.

User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1745 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7817 times:



Quoting Flyingfool (Reply 3):

She should go I think, there are more options to get from London to Manchester.
I'm not aware how the rail connections currently are in the UK

You're right! the Virgin Trains are perfect..(not sarcastic) I prefer the 2:10 min train trip as it's warm and cozy...I don't know how busy the route would be now after the planes etc.


User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7640 times:

Remember that BA have a long track record of cancelling domestic flights at the slightest provocation, I presume to relieve the pressure on the long haul ops to/from LHR (cue further accusations of being "London Airways" etc.)

In my experience (and I have commuted LON-EDI-LON every week for the last 8 years ...), BA are the first to cancel and BMI and EZY are more likely to operate. I estimate that BA cancel domestic flights on approximately 1% of days (which is actually quite a significant percentage if you are a regular traveller).

This morning BA flights to EDI are cancelled, while BMI are operating with modest delays (BD52 arrived with a 45 min delay).

For this reason, I don't use BA for domestic flights.



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User currently offlineMcdu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1459 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7621 times:

It seems that weather has "struck" BA. Weather; something a judge can't overrule.....

User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7539 times:



Quoting GCT64 (Reply 8):

It might have something to do with he fact BA have a much larger presence at LHR then BMI do, and the aircraft are used all over the network, and with planes likely to be badly delayed all over the network as they are, its best to cancel rather then have loads and loads of delays as is what happened last night and today.

Also, if there are slot restrictions due to weather, its better to keep the long hauls flying, there are options on a MAN or GLA route, train,c ar etc, you cant do that on a SFO or LAX or SYD.

The likes of BD wont have a problem like that, they have, what 3 longhauls now, EK have only a few flights, they can delay, BA has LOADS and loads of Euro Doms.


User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7503 times:



Quoting LHR380 (Reply 10):

As an aviation enthusiast, I understand the explanation and could well make the same decision if I was in charge.

However, when I am a passenger, I don't really care about the explanation (and the rationale behind the prioritisation), I just want to get to my destination approximately on time and, statistically, domestically I believe you have less percentage chance of achieving that on BA.

I also think that BA are bit untruthful, blaming it on weather rather than saying "due to the weather we have had to prioritise and you lot have lost out" which is much closer to the truth.



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User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4166 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7475 times:



Quoting LHR380 (Reply 10):
It might have something to do with he fact BA have a much larger presence at LHR then BMI do

Spot on. But of course the conspiracy theorists wont be happy with such a rational explanation.



You have two choices on a day like this:

1) Operate as much as you can, then stop ops early evening and use the time to get things back in the right places.

2) Operate your early flights severely delayed, cancel your mid day flights, and have everything in place to operate your evening services, overnights etc etc, so you can start a-fresh the next day.

Now it comes to a choice of what you cancel.

If it comes to cancelling some domestic runs with 100 pax on board, or some 747's with 350 on board who have paid top notch fares and who couldnt be re-routed easily in the event of a cancellation, it is easy to see what choice any Operations Controller will make.



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User currently offlineHeeBeeGB From Finland, joined Sep 2007, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7446 times:

Easyjet has cancelled a huge amount of flights over past days, with little or no airport backup from staff. BA is not alone in cancelling flights.

When rationalising which flights to cancel domestics will almost always come first. They are the only UK flights which are quite easily reachable by road/rail and often have the highest frequency.


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7393 times:



Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 12):
Spot on. But of course the conspiracy theorists wont be happy with such a rational explanation.

Yup

Quoting GCT64 (Reply 11):
I also think that BA are bit untruthful, blaming it on weather rather than saying "due to the weather we have had to prioritise and you lot have lost out" which is much closer to the truth.

Sorry, you have been around the past few days haven't you?
Europe IS A MESS!!!

Planes are where they should not be, crews are where they should not be. Either keep the operation running at a massive delay going on for ever and ever and ever, with no stop mis connects of passengers causing massive gridlock on International flights, or stop operations, get planes back to where they should be and try to start op again with as few delays and canx as possable.

You decide!!


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26909 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7393 times:



Quoting LHR380 (Reply 10):
The likes of BD wont have a problem like that, they have, what 3 longhauls now

And ever decreasing...  Wink


User currently offlineLHR380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7380 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
And ever decreasing...  

I was not going to mention that lol


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26909 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7219 times:

51 flights now cancelled at LHR and more to come according to Sky News.

User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4166 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7142 times:



Quoting GCT64 (Reply 11):
I also think that BA are bit untruthful, blaming it on weather rather than saying "due to the weather we have had to prioritise and you lot have lost out" which is much closer to the truth.

But weather is the cause! If it werent for the weather, at the end of the day nothing would be getting cancelled, and no prioritisation would be necessary.

BA isnt the only one being hit at present. KL, AF, LH, IB have had huge problems over the last few days!



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User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 733 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7052 times:

I can see both sides of the story. GCT64 is quite correct in that BA do this frequently and it seems to be their standard reaction to any weather event. By doing so, they can protect their more profitable long haul operations and minimise the chances of flights having to divert (with obvious knock on effects). Domestic point to point passengers can use trains if it comes to it, so cancelling domestic flights is only going to seriously affect non-London based transfer passengers. These go to the bottom of the pile.

Given how often this happens in the winter I would never take the risk of booking a flight with LHR transfer at this time of year. That's with any airline, not a dig at BA. At least with CDG, FRA, AMS when they get affected by snow as they have this week they don't just throw in the towel completely, and I'd feel more confident about getting to my destination.


User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6780 times:



Quoting LHR380 (Reply 14):
Sorry, you have been around the past few days haven't you?
Europe IS A MESS!!!



Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 12):
If it comes to cancelling some domestic runs with 100 pax on board, or some 747's with 350 on board who have paid top notch fares and who couldnt be re-routed easily in the event of a cancellation, it is easy to see what choice any Operations Controller will make.

Yes - I have been around (in fact I flew EDI-LTN on Saturday - on time, on Easyjet) and yes, I can understand the choices that the ops controllers make (see my Reply #11) and I would probably make the same decisions if I was them.

However, I also have the absolute right to determine how to spend my money on travel and my choice (based on the experience of approx. 400 LON-EDI-LON return journeys) is not to travel on BA domestically unless I can't avoid it. Having, too many times, watched BMI flights depart when BA flights on the same route are cancelled, I choose not to fly BA domestically and I believe that choice is rational (just like the ops controllers choice is rational).

BTW - I am flying BA tomorrow evening ...  Wink



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User currently offlineNclmedic From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6286 times:

BA has announced that they will be operating an extra pair of flights between CDG and LHR today (22/12) to try to mop up a few stranded Eurostar passengers. According to their schedule BA302 will be operated on a 777, and for £155 isn't too bad for a last minute fare, especially seeing as Eurostar is offering bumped passengers a refund.

Merry Christmas everyone and hope those of you stranded get home safely.


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