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First Of Four Ex-ATA 753's Enters CO Fleet Monday  
User currently offlineP0sitiveRate From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 44 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8389 times:

Taken from the Daily News Update:

"First of four ex-ATA 757-300s enters revenue service Monday

CO’s first of four ex-ATA 757-300s entered revenue service Monday. Aircraft 870 left IAH for Cancun (CUN), Mexico, as Flight 564 at 3 p.m. The aircraft are leased from Boeing Capital and are modified to CO’s configuration, including installation of fuel-saving winglets. These airplanes are in addition to eight ex-ATA aircraft previously leased from Boeing Capital and bring the total 757-300 fleet to 21 aircraft."

[Edited 2009-12-21 16:41:06]


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User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8370 times:

Good news!! CO seems to really be satisfied with the job that the 753's do as the "people movers," I never understood the meaning of that term until I flew one on the CO redeye SFO-EWR and boy was that plane looooong.

User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8244 times:



Quoting EwRkId (Reply 1):
I never understood the meaning of that term until I flew one on the CO redeye SFO-EWR and boy was that plane looooong.

We could do with some more that are wiiiiiide.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16856 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8207 times:

Good news, these aircraft are perfect for Florida, Las Vegas, LAX and SFO flights.


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8193 times:



Quoting DualQual (Reply 2):
Quoting EwRkId (Reply 1):
I never understood the meaning of that term until I flew one on the CO redeye SFO-EWR and boy was that plane looooong.

We could do with some more that are wiiiiiide.

Now you are getting to that age old question of what is better? Length or Width?



Tailwinds!!!
User currently offlineIFlyATA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 242 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8145 times:

Glad to see N560TZ is back in service, even if it is under a new logo.  cheerful 


ATA - an honestly different airline.
User currently offlineP0sitiveRate From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8034 times:



Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 4):
Now you are getting to that age old question of what is better? Length or Width?

Well, on my last trip from LAS I had the pleasure of getting the last row on one of our 753's. And after having to wait over 20 minutes to deplane, I will take the width any day. That is, of course, assuming you are talking about aircraft.  biggrin 



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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7884 times:

As they fitted the winglets before paint, I had a hope of seeing a 'TZ' plane with winglets, but unfortunatly they stripped it first ...  Sad

Three left - still working on it ...



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5170 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7883 times:

With the 737 issues to Hawaii I hope CO will seriously look at sending the ETOPS 753s to Hawaii.


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User currently offlineP0sitiveRate From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7832 times:



Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 8):
With the 737 issues to Hawaii I hope CO will seriously look at sending the ETOPS 753s to Hawaii.

There was also some talk of them serving Europe, but with the commitment to Gogo in the entire fleet I don't think that's going to happen.



And quit calling me Shirley!
User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5170 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7772 times:



Quoting P0sitiveRate (Reply 9):
There was also some talk of them serving Europe

Hmm...that was doubtful seeing as those birds have domestic first and not BFirst. Besides, even with winglets the 753 would probably only be beneficial on routes from EWR to Ireland. They need to be in Hawaii.



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User currently offlineJimbobjoe From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7601 times:

Will these 753s be used immediately in new ways, or are they allowing other 753s to be taken out of service so that they can get wingletted?

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5766 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7534 times:



Quoting P0sitiveRate (Reply 9):
There was also some talk of them serving Europe

Allow me to clarify for you: there was/is talk of sending the 753s to Europe FOR CHARTERS.
Not in scheduled service.
And that came directly from the mouth of a certain CO exec over on flytertalk.


User currently offlineP0sitiveRate From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7396 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 12):

Quoting P0sitiveRate (Reply 9):
There was also some talk of them serving Europe

Allow me to clarify for you: there was/is talk of sending the 753s to Europe FOR CHARTERS.
Not in scheduled service.
And that came directly from the mouth of a certain CO exec over on flytertalk.

Well, that's not where I get my information, and if clarification is really necessary, let me do so for myself: there WAS some talk at one time about SCHEDULED SERVICE(doesn't anyone realize how obnoxious typing in caps is) and/or charter service. At any rate there are a lot of things that get "some talk", but that doesn't mean it's ever going to happen, or for that matter, even be seriously considered. I simply said it had been talked about, whether for scheduled or charter, was really beside my point



And quit calling me Shirley!
User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2613 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7370 times:

CO could use the 753 in many ways, but high volume routes is where they are now and doing a good job. I hope the ETOPS certification can be reintroduced on the Ex-ATA birds, so they could be used to Hawaii. Perfect planes for LAX-HNL and offer the same amenities of the current 737 service. The four additional aircraft can cover HNL services, so present 753 routes wouldn't be lost.
As for Europe, they would only work on Ireland, Scotland and maybe MAN/BHX if 8500 ft runway is OK at BHX and DUB. If those routes are highly seasonal and have low BF loads, they could be used in the peak summer to these limited European destinations.
The other possibility would be some type of special transcon service with some type of Premium service package with multiple classes, but that doesn't seem too likely.


User currently offlineTraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7092 times:

Don't ever forget that these are "Walmart" planes, that is mass movers. The American public wants "Walmart" prices so the airlines have to equip accordingly. They also want champagne and lie flat seats at the "Walmart" price as well.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16856 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6991 times:

The 757-300s are perfect for high demand low yield leisure routes like EWR-MCO or IAH-LAS, with CO adding in flight internet they must be planning to deploy them on more business routes (IAH-ORD, EWR-SFO etc..).


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6990 times:

Are these aircraft the same as the other ex-TZ 753s that CO has? I remember flying on one from EWR to LAX and I could tell that it wasn't originally a CO aircraft....instead of emergency lights on each seat along the aisle, it had fluorescent tape along the aisle, there was a handrail along the overhead bins, etc.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16856 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6981 times:



Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 17):
Are these aircraft the same as the other ex-TZ 753s that CO has? I remember flying on one from EWR to LAX and I could tell that it wasn't originally a CO aircraft....instead of emergency lights on each seat along the aisle, it had fluorescent tape along the aisle, there was a handrail along the overhead bins, etc.

Yes.

ATA had 12 757-300s, CO acquired eight of them in 2005. This is the last four of the 12 ATA 757-300s.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineCOEWR2587 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 607 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6935 times:

Will these new planes 753 coming out have the DirectTV and wi-fi installed. It seems more efficient of have them come out now with it than taking them out again in the future to install it.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16856 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6913 times:



Quoting COEWR2587 (Reply 19):
Will these new planes 753 coming out have the DirectTV and wi-fi installed. It seems more efficient of have them come out now with it than taking them out again in the future to install it.

Apparently not, unless they did the installation in Hong Kong.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6880 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 18):
Yes.

ATA had 12 757-300s, CO acquired eight of them in 2005. This is the last four of the 12 ATA 757-300s.

Yes, but I think Cory is trying to confirm whether the modifications on these last 4 planes will be the same as the prior 8 ex-ATA birds... meaning, will there also be minor differences on these 4 as there are on those previous 8 ex-ATA birds... or will they go further to make these totally up to CO specs. I noticed the differences too when I flew a 753 on EWR-SFO in September... carpeting in forward cabin wasn't quite right as I recall.

[Edited 2009-12-22 07:37:57]


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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5401 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6855 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):
The 757-300s are perfect for high demand low yield leisure routes like EWR-MCO or IAH-LAS, with CO adding in flight internet they must be planning to deploy them on more business routes (IAH-ORD, EWR-SFO etc..).

I sure hope so. I need to start digging into yield numbers because I can't figure out why CO's marketers want to bash their brains out on routes like EWR-MCO beyond a level that will support FFs and international feed. Maybe these routes aren't as low-yield as I think.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16856 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6855 times:



Quoting TWFirst (Reply 21):
I noticed the differences too when I flew a 753 on EWR-SFO in September... carpeting in forward cabin wasn't quite right as I recall.

Yeah I've flown both the ex-ATA birds and the ones delivered new to CO, the former ATA birds have the off white/cream colored sidewalls where the one's delivered new to CO have the grey walls. I don't think they're going to tear out the sidewalls just to create a single standard, new seats, winglets, and eventually LiveTv and Internet are probably the only changes.

These ATA birds are relatively new, with few hours. The one we're talking about in this thread is only 6 years old, and used mostly in charter service. The don't need that much work.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2613 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6806 times:



Quoting P0sitiveRate (Thread starter):

CO’s first of four ex-ATA 757-300s entered revenue service Monday. Aircraft 870 left IAH for Cancun (CUN), Mexico, as Flight 564 at 3 p.m.

A/C 870 operated Flight 564 IAH-CUN and 1665 IAH-CUN, today on Flight 826 IAH-SAL.
On all three of these flights, amenities only show food, so TV is not installed or not turned on.


25 ERAUgrad02 : The 757 is one of my favorite birds but here is my question. We know the 767-400 was to be a replacement for L-1011/DC-10/MD-11's. What exactly was th
26 Brons2 : Domestic widebodies come to mind: DC-10-10, 767-200/300 non ER, etc.
27 CALMSP : so whats the big deal on that?? we've already sent the 737-800 on charter service to Europe. As far as scheduled service, either Jeff or Larry last y
28 Drerx7 : So the 739 will be the largest at ORD for now? I just flew UA on ORD-IAH this past week on a 752 and that bird was full - it looks like the UA/CO cod
29 COEWR2587 : I always thought of the 757-300 as a narrowbody widebody ha
30 The777Man : When will the remaining three ex-ATA 757-300s be delivered to CO ? The777Man
31 AlexInWa : I have flown the 753 many times, SEA-HNL, SEA-MSP, SEA-DTW all (DL/NW). I never sat behind the wings so I can't say wait a horrible wait that would be
32 STT757 : The 757-300s are operating on vitually the exact same routes as the former A300s, the A300s were replaced by 757-200s in '94/'95. Since all the 757-2
33 Fun2fly : Q1 2010 Agreed. When I flew on the NW 753, the only thing I could think of is how did this plane, that entered service about the same time as CO's, g
34 MasseyBrown : I looked up some domestic yields. NYC-Fla routes yield about 15 cents; which is probably something like break-even for CO considering the distance and
35 BmiBaby737 : Are these four aircraft configured with F12Y210 ?
36 P0sitiveRate : The domestic ops are needed to feed the international operation in general
37 TWFirst : Last ex-ATA CO 753 I was on was 24 F, as I recall.
38 N7371f : Config is F24Y192. Standard across the CO 753 fleet. Regarding a previous poster about the carpet in the first class section...ATA's planes have the m
39 Tiger119 : - TZ utilized their 753s almost exclusively (at least towards then end) for military charters, several of which were TATL flights. - Do these four 75
40 P0sitiveRate : Yes, they are all powered by RB211's
41 FL787 : Speaking of CO planes, has CO already retired the 733? Because I can't find any 733 flights in their timetable. Also while I'm asking, how many 735s i
42 P0sitiveRate : The 733 hasn't been retired yet, I believe there are still 7 active, they're mostly bouncing around between IAH, TUS, and MEX, SAT, and AUS. Their eq
43 CALMSP : just took a 733 SLC-IAH 2 weeks ago.....not many left, but a few out there.
44 SurfandSnow : This is the perfect plane for this kind of high density, short/medium haul route! Even though the 753 actually has more capacity than the 762, the la
45 FlyCaledonian : What registrations are these four additional 753s taking?
46 TZTriStar500 : That would be the SafTGlo floor path lighting system by STG Aerospace. ATA was the first to have this installed in production on the 753 and 738. I s
47 IAHcsr : Ship 860 N73860 Ship 862 N57862 Ship 870 N57870 Ship 871 N77871 I know not what their ATA regs were off hand... Ship 870 today .. IAH 826 SAL 827 IAH
48 TZTriStar500 : Ship 860 N73860 ex-N550TZ Ship 862 N57862 ex-N552TZ Ship 870 N57870 ex-N560TZ Ship 871 N77871 ex-N561TZ A bit of trivia here is that CO had these reg
49 IAHcsr : Interesting ATA kept the 1st and 3rd as well as the 11th and 12th aircraft. Not that the Hours/Cycles gap between the 1st and 12th craft would be that
50 TZTriStar500 : I am not sure why this was the case either, but may well have been how the leases were structured since, as you mentioned, neither the hours/cycles n
51 CX flyboy : N561TZ is currently at HAECO in Hong Kong. After it is done, does anyone know whether the other two will be done here as well?
52 ADXMatt : There are 4 left in the fleet. Ships: 318, 322, 324, 336 Ship 871 is in HKG and is due out around the 20th of Jan.
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