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787 ZA002 First Flight, 12/22  
User currently offlineLY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 857 posts, RR: 15
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 36442 times:

According to the media, ZA002 is scheduled to fly tomorrow, 12/22

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Seco...-787-to-fly-tomorrow-79860917.html

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ology/2010563604_dreamliner22.html

[Edited 2009-12-21 17:22:27]


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User currently offlineAdipasqu From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 36388 times:

Party cloudy and a high of 43F predicted for greater SEA tomorrow. Spotters, get those cameras ready!!!


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User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4011 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 36329 times:

Are all these planes painted the same, or will one of them be in ANA colors?

User currently offlineLY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 857 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 36346 times:



Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 2):
Are all these planes painted the same, or will one of them be in ANA colors?

ZA002 is in ANA colors and is the only 787 flight test airplane in customer livery.



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User currently offlineAdipasqu From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 36321 times:



Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 2):
Are all these planes painted the same, or will one of them be in ANA colors?

ZA002, although will never be delivered as such, is currently in ANA Livery.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 36269 times:



Quoting Adipasqu (Reply 4):
ZA002, although will never be delivered as such, is currently in ANA Livery.

Wierd. I know Boeing has written off ZA001 through ZA003 because of necessary modifications and the fact that these frames, if delivered, would be way overweight. I know ZA002 was originally supposed to be ANA's first bird, but I'm suprised that NH would allow them to fly around a prototype in their colors for a purpose other than a PR visit to company headquarters or as a static display at an airshow...



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User currently offlineLY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 857 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 36234 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5):

Wierd. I know Boeing has written off ZA001 through ZA003 because of necessary modifications and the fact that these frames, if delivered, would be way overweight. I know ZA002 was originally supposed to be ANA's first bird, but I'm suprised that NH would allow them to fly around a prototype in their colors for a purpose other than a PR visit to company headquarters or as a static display at an airshow...

WA002 (777-200 #2) was in UAL's colors, so why not follow suit?



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User currently offlineAdipasqu From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 36162 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5):
ZA001 through ZA003

ZA001 will end up in a museum for sure. It wouldn't surprise me if ZA002 and ZA003 are eventually sold as special use aircraft, like a flying test bed. Unless there is a liability reason not to, useful aircraft get used for something, but hopefully not for scrap.



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2431 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 36153 times:



Quoting Adipasqu (Reply 1):
Party cloudy and a high of 43F predicted for greater SEA tomorrow. Spotters, get those cameras ready!!!

Weather up in Everett may be a little less favorable though. Looks like the infamous "convergence zone" may be setting up and it could be mixed snow and rain up around PAE Tuesday AM.
I take it this will just be a ferry flight to BFI for installation of test equipment - is that right?


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6264 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 36232 times:

Quoting Adipasqu (Reply 7):
ZA001 will end up in a museum for sure. It wouldn't surprise me if ZA002 and ZA003 are eventually sold as special use aircraft, like a flying test bed. Unless there is a liability reason not to, useful aircraft get used for something, but hopefully not for scrap.

It wouldn't suprise me in the least if she (ZA001) ended up like N74700 or dash 80, being used for many, many years afterwards to flight test new stuff and goofy Boeing ideas  

EDIT: Wouldn't it be cool if Boeing donated ZA002 and ZA003 to NASA?

[Edited 2009-12-21 18:11:52]


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User currently offlineAdipasqu From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 36086 times:

weather.com for Everett, WA tomorrow: Intervals of clouds and sunshine. High near 40F. Winds light and variable.

ZA002 could be in the air for a while working on the flight envelope and collecting data...not usually just a ferry flight.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8044 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 35767 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5):
I'm suprised that NH would allow them to fly around a prototype in their colors for a purpose other than a PR visit to company headquarters or as a static display at an airshow...

I think NH will be happy if the plane is used in testing and gets their planes to them ASAP.

The advertising on the tail is free and just an extra bonus.


User currently offlineHotelDJRomeo From Canada, joined Dec 2009, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 35710 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5):
I know ZA002 was originally supposed to be ANA's first bird, but I'm suprised that NH would allow them to fly around a prototype in their colors for a purpose other than a PR visit to company headquarters or as a static display at an airshow...

Why wouldn't they allow a pile of free advertising?

You have to assume they have every confidence in the 787 as an aircraft, and it's certainly getting a lot of attention, so it seems like a winning scenario for some free press coverage.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9375 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 35595 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5):
I know ZA002 was originally supposed to be ANA's first bird, but I'm suprised that NH would allow them to fly around a prototype in their colors for a purpose other than a PR visit to company headquarters or as a static display at an airshow...

I think they are extremely happy to have the plane in their livery and might even have paid money to Boeing to get it painted in their colors. The public has no clue that the plane won't be delivered to ANA. What they see is the first brand to have the most modern commercial airliner in the world is ANA. That's great advertising.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16689 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 35556 times:

Are they going to fly all six of the test aircraft to BFI?.


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User currently offlineMrSkyGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 35450 times:



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 9):
It wouldn't suprise me in the least if she (ZA001) ended up like N74700 or dash 80, being used for many, many years afterwards to flight test new stuff and goofy Boeing ideas

EDIT: Wouldn't it be cool if Boeing donated ZA002 and ZA003 to NASA?

Here we are not 1 week after SN01's first flight, and we're already discussing their future in a museum?  Smile



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User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 35408 times:



Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 6):

WA002 (777-200 #2) was in UAL's colors, so why not follow suit?

Because #2 777 is currentally N777UA, but ZA002 will never be delivered to ANA



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29672 posts, RR: 84
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 35325 times:
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Quoting KELPkid (Reply 5):
I know ZA002 was originally supposed to be ANA's first bird, but I'm suprised that NH would allow them to fly around a prototype in their colors for a purpose other than a PR visit to company headquarters or as a static display at an airshow...

ZA100 will be NH's first bird and was always planned to be.

As for why NH allows it to be flown around in their colors, why not? A number of A380 customers has their liveries temporarily put on the flight test birds for PR purposes.


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 35231 times:
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Quoting MrSkyGuy (Reply 15):

Here we are not 1 week after SN01's first flight, and we're already discussing their future in a museum?

Well it is about time they start working on a 787 replacement! LOL  Smile



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 35179 times:
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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 34999 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 14):
Are they going to fly all six of the test aircraft to BFI?.

Yes. Boeing Flight Test is based out of BFI.

Tom.


User currently offlineErchen From Sweden, joined Dec 2009, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 34838 times:

Will there be any live video online?

User currently offlineDAL763ER From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 34093 times:
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Why can they not keep ZA002 and ZA003 as Airbus kept WWDD and WWOW?


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User currently offlineAeroPiggot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 33974 times:

There are a lot of new technologies on the 787 that Boeing will want to continue to monitor after first delivery, and so I beleive they will keep the three original 787s as flying test beds. Especially with the 777-X airplane in development, and all the new stuff they want to put on that airplane???


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User currently offlinePeachAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 33557 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 17):
ZA100 will be NH's first bird and was always planned to be.

As for why NH allows it to be flown around in their colors, why not? A number of A380 customers has their liveries temporarily put on the flight test birds for PR purposes.

Who then will be the first airline to receive the B787? Is there a website that show the latest production line schedule and which customers will be receiving? I know NWA was to get ZA003 and ZA004 - what is to become of these aircraft?


25 Candid76 : Well given that they seem happy to scrap a 2 year old A318, anything's possible in the US! Anyway would anyone want an aircraft for scrap that isn't
26 TISTPAA727 : Exactly! No reason not to. Free promotion on a highly anticipated and media watched plane is a good idea. What are the odds!? (rhetorical). Would hav
27 Andz : I missed the first one, where and when can I watch this one live?
28 Post contains links EMBQA : My guess is there will be no live coverage..... You can still go to the Boeing 787 website and watch the entire coverage of the first flight....... J
29 Andz : " target=_blank>http://787firstflight.newairplane.co....html Thanks!
30 Falstaff : Good point. What will happen to the 787 when the time comes to cut it up. Scrap dealers like metals, not plastics.
31 Vivekman2006 : Recycled 787s maybe... - Vivek
32 EMBQA : Carbon fiber is not plastic.... it can be recycled
33 Stitch : NH with ZA100 (the first production 787 frame and the seventh flyable frame). Speculation is they will become 787VIPs - business jets. However, an ai
34 AndrewUber : I will be in Tukwila doing some shopping today - would LOVE to get pics of ZA002 on her way into BFI, is that the flight plan? Does anyone know an ETD
35 Petera380 : Should be 08:45 local time assuming conditions are good.
36 Post contains links JohnJ : BOE2 is now posted on FlightAware: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20091222/1710Z/KPAE/KBFI
37 Post contains links B2707SST : King5 reported it will take off at 8:45 am on this morning's newscast. They said the flight should last about an hour, so I'd expect ZA002 at BFI a l
38 Post contains links and images EA772LR : Another 787 in the air today...that'll put a smile on anyone's face
39 Brilondon : Boy it is nice to see B788 on flightaware. Why would we be worried about the 787 being in a museum? It is a landmark aircraft with the new composite m
40 Post contains links Gregarious119 : Flight plan is up: http://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/boe2 Good coverage happening here: http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23787FT Looks like some of
41 KrisYYZ : " target=_blank>www.kirotv.com Thanks for the links. Komonews has live coverage on right now! Her beacon is on, stairs still attached. KrisYYZ
42 Falstaff : Sure it can be recycled, but is it worth anything on the scrap market?
43 KPDX : Wow, really cool footage of that empty 773 departing!
44 KrisYYZ : Stairs have been removed, she looks good to go! KrisYYZ
45 Post contains links 71Zulu : Starting to taxi! http://www.kirotv.com
46 TPA36R : What a great looking bird. On the taxi out now. Edit- Lining up for departure. Good luck guys[Edited 2009-12-22 08:51:57]
47 Skyhawk62507 : She looks great in an actual customer livery... regardless of whether it's actually appropriate to that specific airframe.
48 KPDX : Here she goes! Good luck Boeing!!
49 71Zulu : FOX News and CNN also covering live. Who's flying it? Is it Mike Carriker again?
50 TPA36R : KPAE 221553Z 10003KT 10SM OVC030 03/01 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP181 T00280011 Are they doing a taxi back to 16R or was that a low speed RTO?
51 71Zulu : Just said got approval for high speed taxi.
52 KrisYYZ : I think he is in the right seat today. she seems to be doing a loop and taxing back to runway. KrisYYZ
53 NA : ANA´s colourscheme wasnt made for the 787. I would have hoped they would have changed their CI for the 787. No, wait, maybe they´ll reserve it for t
54 71Zulu : Just did the high speed RTO.
55 TPA36R : Even just for that taxi test, those wings move so much. What a beautiful bird.
56 71Zulu : Here comes the take-off now on 34L.
57 TPA36R : Looks like one last FOD check down 34L/16R before the takeoff.
58 71Zulu : Position and hold 34L
59 KPDX : Here we GOOO. filler filler filler
60 71Zulu : Waiting on the chase planes
61 TPA36R : There she goes! filler filler
62 Skyhawk62507 : In the air... and right into the clouds!
63 71Zulu : She flies!!! Couldn't see much after take off though with the low clouds and crummy weather.
64 KPDX : And just as quick as she departs, she dissapears into the typical PNW skies. Congrats Boeing
65 TPA36R : Anyone know if the landing will be covered at all?
66 KrisYYZ : Beautiful, beautiful bird! I still can't get over the wing flex! Congrats Boeing!! I hope the remainder of the Dreamliner program will be trouble free
67 Suprazachair : Haha, perfect timing. Clicked on a.net, saw the thread and flipped on the tv just as she started to roll.
68 YYZALA : Is it me or did the chase planes totally mess up? They only caught up just before they entered the clouds and how do they maintain separation IN the c
69 757GB : BEAUTIFUL!!! I missed the first flight live transmission for Dreamliner 1, but got to see this one. It was great to see ZA002 finally fly. She looked
70 757GB : I don't know if they messed up, but I expected them sooner as well. You make a good point regarding separation once they're in the clouds.
71 Phoenix9 : You might want to edit this and try getting it submitted here on A.net. This is a nice shot.
72 DocLightning : Anyone know where a video of this went?
73 KrisYYZ : CNN just showed the ANA B77W when talking about the seconds 787 flight. KrisYYZ
74 Post contains links Cricket : YouTube has video people! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EUuLZk-aYE
75 Jreuschl : If the first flight was cut short due to weather, why is this flight only 55 minutes?
76 71Zulu : I think this flight was always scheduled to be a short flight, basically just to get it over to BFI where the more exhaustive tests will begin after C
77 TropicBird : Looks like they are flying around the Olympic Mountains. If it is clear enough -- it will give them some great PR photos as a backdrop for Boeing and
78 0NEWAIR0 : It's not
79 ChrisNH : That was a great video. I was struck by how enthusiastic the videographer was in her comments. I wish my wife cared that much about watching planes ta
80 Ulfinator : Just a guess but I have to wonder if they decided they have a good airplane and good enough weather so they are going to try to catch up on some of wh
81 Threepoint : So how does the chase plane stay a respectable distance away once in the clouds? Or do they break formation?
82 DL777Dude : My thoughts exactly...
83 Dragon6172 : No kidding... sounded like her knees went weak when the plane rotated! As long as the clouds are not real thick you can fly formation through them. I
84 TK787 : Man, this is tricky. I am ready to take couple of pics, but is just changed its route again.
85 Western727 : I notice they didn't retract the gear after ZA002 took off. Does anyone know if they cycled the gear on ZA001 last week or if they planned to do with
86 EMBQA : Yes they did.............
87 Skyhawk62507 : They did cycle the gear on ZA001, though I don't believe they raised flaps to 0. I'd be very surprised if ZA002 didn't at least follow this procedure
88 Western727 : Thanks. So why didn't they retract the gear on ZA002 after takeoff?
89 Post contains links Threepoint : I'm certain they raised the gear on this flight, with groundspeeds in excess of 280kts. Apparently they're doing several stall tests today - with grou
90 Navion : When aircraft in formation enter cloud, they typically tighten up the formation (get in real close). If you are flying formation in cloud and lose vi
91 4holer : My question Re: the track log is the stated altitude during the first few minutes. Is that correct? I understand speed variations per the 001 first f
92 United787 : Exciting to see a second first flight so quickly, congrats to Boeing! What is the status of ZA003, ZA004 & ZA005? Will they be flying anytime soon?
93 TPA36R : Cleared to land 13R at BFI with a life guard flight behind him. HA
94 4holer : Yup, quick loop back to BFI on tracker.
95 Aesma : But the plane is in a mix of carbon and plastic, not pure carbon fiber. Maybe they didn't need to take the T/O this time. I guess they're just there
96 TK787 : Chase plane is over downtown Seattle now
97 TK787 : I think I just saw the 787 flying over Seattle downtown heading South.
98 Post contains links KELPkid : Boy, Boeing sure likes that area over the Olympic Mountains National Park for punching holes in the sky, huh? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE2
99 Aesma : You don't do it right away with a new airplane.
100 Western727 : Obviously not. My point is, why not with the second flight if ZA001 cycled its gear on the first flight (as well as ZA002). When is it normally done.
101 JoeCanuck : Dang...I love this stuff...
102 Spartanmjf : FYI there is a corporate shot of ZA001 from last week at Randy's blog [http://boeingblogs.com/randy].....
103 EMBQA : When the flight test program says they do. Every aircraft and flight test program is different. This is something you don't jump into with both feet.
104 Petera380 : According to FlightBlogger, ZA002 had issues after take off with dragging brakes, floor vibrations and a landing gear door alignment. They extended th
105 Stitch : Watching footage of the landing the wingbox gear doors did not close after main gear extension so she landed with them down. Doesn't look like they s
106 F9Animal : Interesting. I noticed on landing that the main landing gear doors appeared to have been halfway down. When the mains touched the runway, the gear do
107 Post contains links 757GB : Matt Cawby has the same information, and after the plane takes off you can hear the radio conversation on the issue. http://kpae.blogspot.com/
108 757GB : There is another video on the same site now that appears to be right after landing at BFI.
109 Skyhawk62507 : I know it's a test flight and the very first one for that frame... but still, Jesus. It's not like landing gear is new tech.
110 757GB : Hard to tell what might've been wrong with the landing gear door. The brakes being hot does not surprise me as they did an RTO test right before depar
111 Post contains links Petera380 : Ooops sorry, that should have been Matt Cawby web site and not FlightBlogger. http://kpae.blogspot.com/ Appologies
112 JBirdAV8r : Brakes on a transport category aircraft are a little more sophisticated than your little Chickenhawk. Brake software is a significant issue...it's de
113 Skyhawk62507 : I'd like to amend my snark somewhat... the electronic brakes are new, I believe?
114 Skyhawk62507 : Hey, no kidding, really? I had no idea!
115 PlanesNTrains : I would guess that many systems and hardware that aren't "new tech" are nonetheless subject to malfunction or imperfection when placed together in a
116 Petera380 : ZA002 did 3 taxi runs down the runway before 1st flight, the last one might have been a rejected take off test, I believe that's the video you are se
117 Post contains links Jambrain : Finally a video with pure unadulterated music from those beautiful Trent buzzsaws, I just downloaded that to put onto my hi-fi to lisen through my Gra
118 797 : AMAZING!!!! This plane is really whooping some a$$ out there, what a piece of art!!! I seriously can't wait to see it in person! How many of them will
119 United787 : It sounds like something is stuck in my garbage disposal... Seriously, I love the sound of it but it sounds like something is grinding...also, it is
120 Aesma : They're not production planes so you don't do it right away on their first flight, period. Waiting a couple of minutes to see if everything is OK gea
121 Brons2 : No good stills of liftoff in the database??
122 ER757 : Love it!!!!!!!! I am definitely headed to BFI in the coming days to see and HEAR one of these babies lift off in person. Missed the big show in Evere
123 LTU932 : Isn't this also done to test what velocities the gear can handle when it is not retracted and the aircraft is in flight? This can be convenient as we
124 TrnsWrld : WOW that video is amazing!!! Everytime I see the nose of that airplane I like it more and more. I was a bit unsure at first but now especially after s
125 Tdscanuck : ANA No. At least, not a legitimate one. The mapping between production line schedule and customers is called the firing order, and isn't public infor
126 Sxf24 : All 787s will have Messier-Bugatti brakes.
127 Western727 : That's right...I remember the program about the T7 flight test program ("21st Centry Jet..." or something like that) showing a slo-mo, close-up of th
128 DocLightning : And sometimes gear retraction is delayed on commercial flights if the brakes have been used a lot and the flight crew is worried about brake temps. I
129 Post contains links LY4XELD : False. There is a choice of MB's and Goodrich brakes. http://boeing.com/commercial/787family/dev_team.html
130 4holer : Video removed by user? Dang! Missed it!
131 Vivekman2006 : Yeah, I got the same message too! Can the videographer please upload it again? - Vivek
132 Brons2 : I thought that video was horrible until the chick went oooh! at rotation. that was just dead sexy. How can I meet this person?!?!? (ok and I liked th
133 Aesma : Sure they have to do this test, but probably not right away, either. There was only one A380 at first for testing. So the third or fourth flight of a
134 757GB : Thanks for the clarification. Sure enough, after seeing later the video with the landing gear doors open what I first saw was obviously not the landi
135 Post contains links Stitch : The Seattle Times had some more information on the glitches. They noted that the main gear doors were left down on purpose to allow the #7 brake to co
136 Max999 : Congratulations on a successful first test flight! I think it's rather ironic that this aircraft is still in ANA colors after Boeing has said it has b
137 Post contains links Rheinbote : That means the wing root fix is cleared for 2g at least. Interesting additional piece of information by Aviation Week "The landing gear actuation sys
138 KELPkid : I'm assuming that there's a manual backup...or worst case, hopefully, the gear is a free-fall design Lots that can go wrong with too many electrons t
139 Post contains links CARST : According to flight-blogger that is exactly how they've done it, using alternate gear mode, the "free-fall design"... http://www.flightglobal.com/blo
140 KELPkid : " target=_blank>http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl....html I wonder how badly the gear doors got damaged (if at all). In a plane that usually close
141 Post contains links CARST : A little bit into the following video you will see that the landing gear doors do not touch the ground. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgh_lr0PMbg&fe
142 Petera380 : If you watch the video closely the main landing gear doors are fully open on touch down and as the aircraft rolls out they try and close but don't qui
143 Western727 : I suspect it has to do with the airflow which shifts considerably at and after touchdown.
144 KELPkid : It could be the plane's ground sense logic trying to close the doors, too...maybe the reason for the doors not closing properly is a misrigging or sy
145 Nomadd22 : That might not be a valid assumption. Being cleared for 1.75G maneuvers doesn't mean they wouldn't do 2 Gs if needed for an unexpected situation.
146 NYC777 : My guess is that 003 should fly by the end of January and the last three whould all be in the air by late April
147 Tdscanuck : At whatever weight the plane was at at the time...that's not the same as 2g at MTOW. All the FAR load factors are against MTOW. True, but so are hydr
148 Post contains links 757GB : Somewhat related: Matt Cawby reported that on December 23 Dreamliner 3 was moved to the fuel dock. Is there any chance that it will run it's engines s
149 Pygmalion : On all the Boeing airplanes that I am familiar with... the doors freefall open under alternate extend. In most cases, the gear just pushes them open a
150 Traindoc : Compared to ZA001, ZA002 has gotten very little coverage, even though their initial filghts were just 7 days apart!
151 757GB : Yes, I agree completely. For us airplane nuts it's a huge event, but for many people who were so excited about the first flight of ZA001, well it's o
152 United787 : Wasn't ZA001 supposed to have it's second flight before Christmas? I haven't seen anything so I am assuming it hasn't happened yet. I am sure the holi
153 Stitch : They needed at least a week to install the new sensors and chew over the initial flight test date they gained, plus the workers do get Christmas off
154 Post contains links Ronaldo747 : ZA001 is flying today, a flightplan is filed http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE1
155 Mattcawby : " target=_blank>http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE1 Still on the ground at BFI doing a preflight 2:47 PM.
156 PPVRA : Looks like it's flying right now. 6:06pm EST U.S. time.
157 PPVRA : FLightaware had it going KBFI-KPAE but looks like it is getting "diverted" back to KBFI. Wonder why. .
158 Stitch : KBFI should have been it's scheduled end point, so I expect Flight Aware made a mistake by listing KPAE. All of the flight test ops will be flown out
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