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MAS Orders 15 A330s  
User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13399 times:

Nice to see that the A330 continues to do extremely well in the Asian region.  Smile

Wonder who will land the engine contract.

Malaysia Airlines (MAS) has ordered 15 Airbus A330-300s, with options to purchase another 10, in a total order worth $5 billion.

The aircraft will be delivered from 2011 to 2016, and will serve the South Asia, China, North Asia, Australia and Middle East markets, says MAS.

The A330 will complement the airline's incoming fleet of six A380s and 35 Boeing 737-800s, says MAS managing director and CEO Azmil Zahruddin.


http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...22/336479/mas-orders-15-a330s.html

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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13397 times:

Dang, you beat me by a minute...  Big grin


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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13372 times:

3 threads within a minute! Big grin

Good news for Airbus. MH will have a big A330 fleet after this order.


User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13396 times:

As this is the first thread about this order, I will repeat what I said in my thread as it will likely be deleted.

The article doesn't specifically mention whether these are for replacement of older a330's and 772's, or expansion. However, it seems to imply the former. They are ordering the newest variant of the a333 (higher MTOW etc). I wonder what this means for engine selection. Right now they have PW's. Will they switch to T700EP's?

Also interesting, MH seems to confirm that they will take delivery of the a380's. They specifically mention London and Sydney as a380 routes. In the past, AMS was also named as a380 route, I hope that is still the case.



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User currently offlineFauzi From Brunei, joined Jul 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13374 times:

Ah you also beat me by a minute!

What wonders me is that MH said the new A330 will save them over $80 million dollars. Are those savings in terms of operational costs, over the current A330?



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13288 times:



Quoting Fauzi (Reply 4):
Are those savings in terms of operational costs, over the current A330?

I noticed that remark as well. I think it's a combination of factors. The new a333's will have lower SFC and they will be owned instead of leased. Furthermore, if they will replace the 772's, the SFC will be lower still (due to the much lower weight of the a333).



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10708 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13207 times:

So this is the early A330/772 replacement. There´s nothing else these aircraft could be for, and they are too many to be just fleet growth.

User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13175 times:

This is a very much welcomed news for all MH fans. They have been so slow with regards to their wide body fleet renewal. So in 2011, we will fly on MH's new A333s.

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 2):
MH will have a big A330 fleet after this order.

If they keep their current aircrafts, MH will have 26 A333s (11 current + 15 new order) and 3 A332s.

Quoting Kappel (Reply 3):
The article doesn't specifically mention whether these are for replacement of older a330's and 772's, or expansion. However, it seems to imply the former. They are ordering the newest variant of the a333 (higher MTOW etc). I wonder what this means for engine selection. Right now they have PW's. Will they switch to T700EP's?

Also interesting, MH seems to confirm that they will take delivery of the a380's. They specifically mention London and Sydney as a380 routes. In the past, AMS was also named as a380 route, I hope that is still the case.

I also think it should be for fleet renewal. The current A333s and B772s are mostly in their mid teens.

Previous press releases suggested LHR, SYD and AMS as the A380s' destinations. Will 6 A380s enough to run twice daily KUL-LHR vv, 1 daily KUL-AMS vv and 1 daily KUL-SYD vv?

[Edited 2009-12-22 03:05:35]

User currently offlineEconojetter From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 430 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12969 times:



Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
The aircraft will be delivered from 2011 to 2016, and will serve the South Asia, China, North Asia, Australia and Middle East markets, says MAS.



Quoting NA (Reply 6):
So this is the early A330/772 replacement. There´s nothing else these aircraft could be for, and they are too many to be just fleet growth.



Quoting Fauzi (Reply 4):
Are those savings in terms of operational costs, over the current A330?



Quoting Kappel (Reply 5):
Furthermore, if they will replace the 772's, the SFC will be lower still (due to the much lower weight of the a333).

Interesting order. A little puzzling too.

I also believe, as NA does, that these aircraft are mostly for replacement and primarily the existing A330-300 fleet (9 leased from PMB, 2 from leasing companies) as the latest production A330-300s still do not have the legs to do the 10-14 hour missions that the 777s do. As stated in the release, these new aircraft will essentially be covering the same missions flown by the A330-300 fleet today.

So... calling the A330 experts:
- are there installations eg. IFE, communications etc. that can be performed on current production A330 types that cannot be performed on older (ca 1995) A330 models?
- assuming typical 4-8 hour missions, how much improvement in operating cost do current A330-300 models offer over older ones?


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12497 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12739 times:
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Well that's a nice order, although I notice there's nothing about it on Airbus's website yet, so I wonder if it isn't yet firm?


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User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 778 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12507 times:

This is great!! the A330 doing very well i must say!!  bigthumbsup 


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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12467 times:



Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 10):
This is great!! the A330 doing very well i must say!!

What's interesting is that a few years ago, almost all a330 orders were a332 orders. The a333 has been doing very well recently.



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12329 times:
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Can someone confirm me that 9M-MKR (c/n 095) is about to leave MH's fleet ? It is the only A333 not delivered directly to MH from Airbus but well to LTU and presumably owned by ILFC.

Apart from this again good news for the A330. It's never been doing so well in the past !!! A real king !



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 11763 times:

This nice order means the end of any eventual order for 787 or A350XWB in a short future.
That's not surprising ; as MH CEO said some days ago he will not order 787s as the deliveries is too far , around 2020.
When time will come i see them ordering A350XWBs to replace 772s , due to this A330 order , close relationship with Airbus in the WB sector , and the later letting not evapore this customer to the 787.
Who will be the next A330 customer ?


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2316 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11439 times:

I believe MH currently uses PW's as their power plants on their A330's, Will they keep the PWs or perhaps go with another engine? It seems as if Asian carriers are happy with the Rollers lately ( Air Asia X, Garuda, Singapore, Air China, Thai,etc..)


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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10008 posts, RR: 96
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11264 times:
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Quoting SXDFC (Reply 14):
I believe MH currently uses PW's as their power plants on their A330's, Will they keep the PWs or perhaps go with another engine? It seems as if Asian carriers are happy with the Rollers lately ( Air Asia X, Garuda, Singapore, Air China, Thai,etc..)

I'm sure Lightsaber wil have a view on this, but I understand the Trent 700 to currently have the highest power capability on the airframe, which might be a factor in enabling use of the new 238t MTOW option.
The Trent 700 has also recently undergone a fairly major improvemet programme  Smile

This must be a real cash cow for RR now, this engine

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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12435 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11051 times:



Quoting FCKC (Reply 13):
This nice order means the end of any eventual order for 787 or A350XWB in a short future.
That's not surprising ; as MH CEO said some days ago he will not order 787s as the deliveries is too far , around 2020.
When time will come i see them ordering A350XWBs to replace 772s , due to this A330 order , close relationship with Airbus in the WB sector , and the later letting not evapore this customer to the 787.

Well, this order certainly made my day; congrats to Airbus - and congrats to MH too! I was wondering, too, what this meant for MH's long term objectives. However much one admires the A330, this is clearly part of a long term strategy and while Airbus/MH today announced the A330 part of that deal, I can't help wondering if there is a 350 element in there somewhere.

Our own EI, which ordered A330s some time back, has the option to convert some of its A330 orders (for acft on firm order after 2013) to A350s, so I wonder if MH has won a similar concession; since many of their acft are on order for delivery in the period after the A350 enters service, we might well see that happen.

Quoting Econojetter (Reply 8):
- are there installations eg. IFE, communications etc. that can be performed on current production A330 types that cannot be performed on older (ca 1995) A330 models?

My JP shows that with the exception of the two newest 330s (MKR/S), the current MH 330s have an MTOW of 212,000kgs; I know that EI, which had older 330s with similar MTOWs, had issues about fitting new IFE, because it would undermine the acft's performance on T/A routes (although, EI's A330 routes, such as DUB-ORD) would be considerably longer than MH's). As far as I can tell, MH's longest 330 sector is to DXB, which should be beyond the capability of even the older 330s, even with new IFE retrofitted.


User currently offlineAllegro From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 236 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10882 times:

Congratulations to Airbus and MH!  champagne 

Did they order the IGW versions?

So glad that the A330 has hit its sweet spot in the market. This fine airplane has had a great second life ... in the late 90's one might have thought that they would not sell so many. So more proof for the folks who think the A380 is not going to sell ... you never know what is going to happen in 10 years!



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10770 times:
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Just have a look at the production/deliveries' pace of the A330 at the moment. Simply amazing:

* MSN 983 was delivered in January to SIA.

* MSN 1076 was delivered to US Airways a few days ago. Almost 100 planes delivered in a single year. Of course this includes the A340s but nevertheless...

Impressive milestone for what has become a really mature and versatile airplane. The new IGW versions have no competitors in their class at the moment.

[Edited 2009-12-22 11:26:20]


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User currently offlineTofen From Sweden, joined Feb 2009, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10471 times:

I hope MH sticks with P&W on these birds. With the advantage 70 upgrades, the PW4000 shouldn't be to far behind the T700.

If ANA also sticks to P&W on there newly ordered 772ERs, this would be the best week for Pratt in a long time.


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4723 posts, RR: 39
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9921 times:
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Quoting Astuteman (Reply 15):
but I understand the Trent 700 to currently have the highest power capability on the airframe, which might be a factor in enabling use of the new 238t MTOW option.
The Trent 700 has also recently undergone a fairly major improvement program

This must be a real cash cow for RR now, this engine

And that will please PM very much. Big grin As it will please RR & Airbus. This order is good news and still proves the viability of the A330 program, even with the B787 now really underway as a very serious threat (in the end the B787 will be the better/more attractive plane of course  Wink).

Makes you wonder when Airbus will slap some new engines under the wings of the A330 to keep giving the B787 a tough run for the money.  Smile


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5435 posts, RR: 30
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9838 times:

It's good to see that continuous improvement of so called, "last gen" airliners is still resulting in sales.

It will be some decades yet before the plastic planes truly change the game and replace the aluminum overcast.

[Edited 2009-12-22 13:03:59]


What the...?
User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9655 times:



Quoting Econojetter (Reply 8):
- assuming typical 4-8 hour missions, how much improvement in operating cost do current A330-300 models offer over older ones?

I believe the difference in operating costs is not very big. However, due to massive improvements in terms of payload-range performance, revenue potential increases substantially (more cargo on longer routes).


A342



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6887 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8237 times:



Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Wonder who will land the engine contract.

PW must have the edge as the incumbent. But it will be worth RR bidding.

For the record, three airlines have switched from PW to RR (Swiss, Thai, US) and one has switched from RR to PW (China Southern).

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 18):
Almost 100 planes delivered in a single year.

Not quite. A pretty respectable 72 A330s so far.


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8139 times:

Finally... The MH A330 bashers can cool down. Perhaps the next thing would be to bash the airline for the slow replacement of the 777-200? Hahahaha...  duck 


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25 QF744ER : MH's last 2 delivered B772's aren't that old either!
26 9MMPD : Congrats Airbus on another A330 win. Though it is starting to get a bit boring seeing so many A330s around. I think like most these 15 new build A330s
27 6thfreedom : What is the standard seating config on A333s? will MH maintain the 44J/250Y seating arrangement. for the record: MH has 3 x leased A332s; year of manu
28 Econojetter : Range would not be a major concern for most of the routes MH intends to operate the A333 on. A 3000nm radius around KUL covers China, the Indian subc
29 Kaitak : Sorry, I should have said "which should NOT be beyond the capabiltiy of even the older A330s". EI operated DUB-ORD for many years, using A330s with 2
30 9MMAR : Yes, IST now is served 3 weekly non stop from KUL with B772. This route is mostly served by MH's A332s in the past and the A333s when MH tagged it al
31 Post contains links Panais : At 3,000nm you can carry the maximum structural payload. http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/medi.../tech_data/AC/AC_A330_20100101.pdf
32 Econojetter : No worries, I figured that was what you meant to write. Interesting info about the EI A333s. During the A333s' early days with MH, they did nonstop f
33 Lightsaber : For hot/high the Trents have a definitive advantage. I do wonder if RR will take this order. I share you opinion that Pratt has an advantage due to b
34 A342 : No, certainly not. I don't have any data, but I assume maximum structural payload range for the 212t MTOW version can't be more than ~2400nm. A342
35 6thfreedom : BNE and MEL have has 330 ops in the past, but I'm sure these were -200s not the -300s.
36 Changyou : I dunno its wise or not for MH to order the A333s instead of the B787/A350. And these A333's are use on regions where AirAsiaX is expanding furiously
37 Trex8 : CI 230K, QF 212-230, QR 233K
38 Traveladdict : I might be wrong, but didn't MH come up with a new Y class in 2003 when they introduced the angled-flat J class and completely flat F class? I can't
39 Joule : FYI: - MH signed an LOI, so a firm contract is not yet signed, which explains why Airbus website hasn't said anything yet. - this order would be for a
40 9MMPD : Nope. Same seats in Y. Only J & F got an upgrade. Y just got AVOD instead.
41 Econojetter : According to the charts, the 233t version can carry max structural payload up to 3600nm, which translates into a 50% (!) improvement. That much? I wa
42 TreeHillRavens : MAS management has confirmed that their soon to be delivered 738 will have PTV installed in all classes. So it is almost certain that the new 333 will
43 A342 : Again, these are just my assumptions, but ~18-20 tonnes of additional fuel should roughly translate to three additional hours of range, which would b
44 Traveladdict : I think the 34" seat pitch is only found on their 772 and 747 right? Their 332 and 333 have 32" if I'm not mistaken.
45 TreeHillRavens : No. All of MAS widebodies (333, 744 and 772) all feature 34" of seat pitch in the main cabin. Only the 3x leased ex-Sabena or ex-SR 332 have 32" of s
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