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Qantas Launch A380 On MEL - LHR  
User currently offlineFauzi From Brunei, joined Jul 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7240 times:

http://www.ttglive.com/c/portal/layo...PI_SHARED_CommentArticleId=3486231

From 22 Jan 2010, QF will operate A380 on MEL - SIN - LHR twice a week.

[Edited 2009-12-22 07:47:07]


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User currently offlineTayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6944 times:

and they're adding a weekly frequency to MEL-LAX.

User currently offlineTayser From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 1125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6910 times:

The official QF release:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn.../details?ArticleID=2009/dec09/3996

Qantas to Grow A380 Fleet and Launch Melbourne-London A380 Services

Melbourne, 22 December 2009

Qantas announced today it had taken delivery of its fifth new A380 aircraft, with a sixth to arrive in coming days, and would commence A380 services between Melbourne and London via Singapore on 18 January, 2010.

Qantas Chief Executive Officer, Mr Alan Joyce, said the arrival of the airline's fifth A380 yesterday, and sixth aircraft in the New Year, would allow it to launch the new A380 route.

"Qantas' inaugural A380 service in October 2008 was between Melbourne and Los Angeles," Mr Joyce said.

"With the arrival of two new aircraft, growing our A380 fleet to six, we are pleased to be able to offer customers a second route option out of Melbourne - to London via Singapore."

From 18 January, the A380 will operate one to two flights per week on the route (QF9 on Mondays and Sundays and the return QF10 on Fridays and Saturdays), with regular twice-weekly flights to commence on 29 March.

The fifth Qantas A380 is named Lawrence Hargrave, after the inventor of the box kite. The airline's sixth A380, is named Charles Kingsford-Smith, after Australia's most famous aviator who made the first trans-Pacific flight from the USA to Australia in 1928. Both will enter service in January.

Mr Joyce said that, with a six-strong fleet, Qantas' A380 schedule from 29 March would be:
* Sydney-Los Angeles services - daily services (currently four per week);
* Sydney-Singapore-London - five services per week;
* Melbourne-Los Angeles - three services per week (currently two per week); and
* Melbourne-Singapore-London - two services per week.

"More than 500,000 people have now flown on Qantas A380 services, and it remains extremely popular with our customers," he said.

"The arrival of these new, state-of-the aircraft, with their cabins designed by Marc Newson, will see Qantas serving both the UK and Los Angeles with A380 flights from Melbourne and Sydney."

Lawrence Hargrave (1850-1915) was one of aviation's most important inventors and innovators. He came to Australia from England in 1872 and is best remembered as the inventor of the box kite in 1894. His aviation insights were wide-ranging, including the curved wing and the radial rotary engine.

Charles Kingsford-Smith (1897-1935) is considered to have pioneered more long distance routes than any pilot in history. He made the first trans-Pacific flight from the United States to Australia in 1928, as well as the first non-stop crossing of the Australian mainland, the first flight between Australia and New Zealand, and the first from Australia across the Pacific to the United States in 1934.


User currently offlineFrequentflyer From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 736 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6905 times:

Do we have any indication yet as to 380 yield/profitability, or anticipation?


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User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6520 times:

Once this sixth one is delivered when should we be expecting the seventh?

User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5850 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6448 times:



Quoting Frequentflyer (Reply 3):
Do we have any indication yet as to 380 yield/profitability, or anticipation?

is that a serious question? its being used on the most profitable QF routes so the answer is already known.



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User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6421 times:

Pity they decided to add another A380 flight through SIN rather than making the MEL-HKG-LHR flight an A380.

That could have created some serious interest in Hong Kong.


User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 6043 times:



Quoting Dalavia (Reply 6):
Pity they decided to add another A380 flight through SIN rather than making the MEL-HKG-LHR flight an A380.

That could have created some serious interest in Hong Kong.

I agree, but by keeping to SIN they are not starting a new port of call for their A380's. Qantas is the most risk adverse / conservative airline in the world. Sometime that is frustrating for us, but I suppose that has got them where they are today.


User currently offlineJayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5773 times:

Isn't is true that A380 uses 7% more fuel than 747?

But then i think low CASM will cover it up...but what if the flights go with loads of only 50%?
will it still be profitable?What is the traffic b/w MEL and LHR?



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User currently offlineFrequentflyer From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 736 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5576 times:



Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 5):
is that a serious question? its being used on the most profitable QF routes so the answer is already known

Was looking for some specifics, figures. At best, a comparison with 744 for ex.

Thank you!



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5330 times:



Quoting Jayeshrulz (Reply 8):
Isn't is true that A380 uses 7% more fuel than 747?

According to the CEO of SQ an A380 has trip costs (that is total costs, not just fuel) about 3-4% higher than a B744.

Quoting Jayeshrulz (Reply 8):
But then i think low CASM will cover it up...but what if the flights go with loads of only 50%?
will it still be profitable?What is the traffic b/w MEL and LHR?

For that 4% increase in costs you get 9% more seats compared to the 2 class, 412 seat B744 and a whopping 47% more seats compared to the 4 class, 307 seat B744ER. You better believe that CASK is lower.

As far as low load go, the A380 is going to have greater costs than the B744 by 4% at any load factor, so yes the down side will be a little lower, but the up side during peak times will be a h**l of a lot higher, more than enough to off set the higher costs in low demand times. If in a particular situation that is not true then you don't operate the A380 (nor these days the B744), you substitute an A330.

As for MEL-LHR, believe me there is enough traffic to justify an A380. Even in these tough times it's still 12 weekly with the B744. SYD-LHR is down to 11 weekly, but it has 5 of those operated by A380s AND 14 weekly BA flights with a B744 & B772, which is part of the Joint Services Agreement (JSA) so QF benefits from those too.

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User currently offlinePanman From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Aug 1999, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5217 times:

Oh God no. 5 days a week was bad enough. At least they were on the ground for only 5 hours at the most. Now we have the first arrival and last departure AAAARRRGGGHH!!!!

User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5185 times:



Quoting Panman (Reply 11):
Oh God no. 5 days a week was bad enough. At least they were on the ground for only 5 hours at the most. Now we have the first arrival and last departure AAAARRRGGGHH!!!!

And you're based in Trinidad and Tobago?? How many QF A380's stop there for 5 hours? (Which is a lousy utilisation anyway. )



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User currently offlinePanman From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Aug 1999, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5084 times:

The second person that thinks the flag means that is where you actually are......

User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5080 times:

So, this will make a daily LHR-SIN for the A380? I think on LHR-SIN-MEL most passengers will get out of the plane at SIN, and get onto SIN-SYD (continuation of FRA-SIN-SYD.)

User currently offlinePanman From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Aug 1999, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5061 times:

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 14):
So, this will make a daily LHR-SIN for the A380?

No.

LHR Will see the A380 as follows:

From Melbourne Via Singapore
QF 9: STA 0525 Th/Sa
QF10: STD 2200 Th/Sa
(Well whatever day of the week they decide on as what's written in that press release doesn't make sense. The 9 leaves on Monday/Saturday and returns Friday/Sunday?)

From Sydney Via Singapore
QF31: STA 0620 Su/M/W/F/Sa
QF32: STD 1105 Su/M/W/F/Sa

panMAN

[Edited 2009-12-23 19:27:40]

User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4986 times:



Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 14):
So, this will make a daily LHR-SIN for the A380? I think on LHR-SIN-MEL most passengers will get out of the plane at SIN, and get onto SIN-SYD (continuation of FRA-SIN-SYD.)

What makers you think that 'most' passengers will get onto a SYD bound flight from SIN? Sorry, but reading the previous posts would tell you that the MEL-SIN sector will also be heavily utilised. SYD bound services are often heavily made up of MEL or BNE bound traffic, because of less available capacity to those citiies. With the addition of the a380 on the MEL route this will help alleviate that need.

Its good to see that QF is making efforts to give more services to stations outside of SYD.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4802 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4958 times:



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 10):

For that 4% increase in costs you get 9% more seats compared to the 2 class, 412 seat B744 and a whopping 47% more seats compared to the 4 class, 307 seat B744ER. You better believe that CASK is lower.

Yes but whilst this is the case, the reduction in seats for the 4 class is due to more premium seats... more than half the plane is F,J,W (Y+). If those are sold then that flight is making big $$



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4849 times:

sorry, I do not know what made me think that the LHR-SIN A380 passengers would be going to Sydney. But when I was on a QF SYD-SIN flight it was announced which gate the SIN-LHR flight would be using. So I take it some SYD overflow passengers will be on flights meant for MEL

User currently offlineSlinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 822 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4726 times:

So does this mean that LHR is now up to five A380s on some days (2 x SIA, 2 x QF and 1 x EK)? Aren't EK about to add another?

User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5615 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4607 times:



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 17):

Yes but whilst this is the case, the reduction in seats for the 4 class is due to more premium seats... more than half the plane is F,J,W (Y+). If those are sold then that flight is making big $$

The A380 & B744ER have almost the same number of premium seats, 14F, 72J (A380) v 66J (B744ER) and 32Y+ v 40 Y+ for a total of 118-A380, 120-B744ER. So if the B744ER is making big bucks so is the A380 and it has an extra 145 Y seats as well.

I think that is the point of the A380 for QF, it can haul around the same premium seats PLUS an extra 145Y seats as the B744, all for 3-4% increase in trip costs.

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User currently offlineAirvan00 From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4345 times:



Quoting Panman (Reply 15):
(Well whatever day of the week they decide on as what's written in that press release doesn't make sense. The 9 leaves on Monday/Saturday and returns Friday/Sunday?)

Your mistake is to assume that 9 returns as 10. It is more logical from an operational point of view, for 9 to return as 32. I suspect the rotation will be something like SYD-LAX-MEL-SIN-LHR-SIN-SYD and reverse. That avoids the current SYD- MEL ferry flights which were useful for crew training but are now probably unnecessary.


User currently offlineRutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2960 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4309 times:
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Airvan is correct there will be a swap over at Heathrow.

User currently offlinePanman From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Aug 1999, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

Yes.
I am fully aware of the swap over of the aircraft as I see them everyday. But It still doesn't make sense....

We get the Su/M/W/F/Sa rotations on the 31/32

Going by the press release, we are going to get the 9/10 380 rotations on the Su/M (9 in) F/Sa (10 out).

So seeing that on Sunday and Monday we have 2 A380s in and 1 A380 out and on F/Sa we have 1 A380 in and 2 A380 does that mean Qantas are going to be making HAL very happy by keeping 2 A380's on the ground from Monday to Friday?

pAnmAn


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3553 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4068 times:



Quoting Panman (Reply 13):
The second person that thinks the flag means that is where you actually are......

That's the whole point....despite what people do otherwise...



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25 Post contains images Airvan00 : You and I both know that they are not going to keep an A380 idle on the ground at LHR for 4 days   . Just looking at the first day of this new servi
26 EK413 : No more delivery's until Oct 2010... EK413
27 VHMATHY : Isn't QF taking delivery of 3 380s in 2010? Why do they take them in such quick succession if the first one isnt arriving until October? By the way E
28 ZK-NBT : There are no current plans I don't think for OEB to be parked. OJF I think is the 4th aircraft to leave and I believe OJR is also for sale. They dela
29 AirNewZealand : The 747 will be getting a face lift starting FEB (announcement expected then also) to match the A380 product, therefore LHR/SIN/LAX will be getting a
30 Airvan00 : Qantas have announced to the market that they will take 3 in FY10 and 5 in FY 11. Qantas reports at the 30th June. So looks like OQD, OQE and the soo
31 Smi0006 : I look forward to this! I wonder if we will see any changed in the A330 fleet? I think as the market improves we will see them used more out of MEL t
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