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Upper Midwest Winter Weather: Official Thread  
User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3020 times:

With a large winter weather system approaching the upper midwest, with all indications showing the Twin Cities to get absolutely blasted near the holiday, I figured I'd start a thread to document travel advisory updates, flight cancellations/diversions, etc. that will surely impact thousands traveling by air for the holidays.

At present time, MSP has been warned:
http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigw...s+MN&product1=Winter+Storm+Warning

ORD/MDW is under a watch:
http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigw...ago+IL&product1=Winter+Storm+Watch

MKE is under a watch:
http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigw...kee+WI&product1=Winter+Storm+Watch

NW/DL has just updated their winter weather waiver policy to accommodate passengers into and out of the area: http://www.nwa.com/features/weather2.shtml

Should be a fun few days!


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User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2909 times:



Quoting Mikey711MN (Thread starter):
ORD/MDW is under a watch:

This is just what I needed to hear. Yours truly is flying through ORD on Thursday.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2900 times:



Quoting ETStar (Reply 1):
This is just what I needed to hear. Yours truly is flying through ORD on Thursday.

They do have a watch, but the forecast for Peoria (100 miles south) is just rain turning into snow on Christmas, so a few degrees one way or the other could help or hurt you. Don't get worked up just yet. If I had a dollar for every storm that never hit...



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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2865 times:



Quoting ETStar (Reply 1):
This is just what I needed to hear. Yours truly is flying through ORD on Thursday.

Similar boat...I had my original itinerary to get home this Christmas flying through MSP on Thursday morning. I got it changed to DTW, but I still - somehow - need to make it to WI that day. Good luck to you!

Anyway, a few more travel change waivers to post:

AA: http://www.aa.com/viewPromotionDetai...lNotices.xml&_locale=en_US#midwest
UA: http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6867,52939,00.html#midwest
YX: http://www.midwestairlines.com/TravelTools/FlightInfo.aspx (posted on their flight status page)
WN: http://www.southwest.com/html/travel...midwest_winter_wx_23dec_24dec.html

Notably, this is not necessarily a particularly intense storm but rather a long lasting one.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21529 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2833 times:



Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 3):
Notably, this is not necessarily a particularly intense storm but rather a long lasting one.

I'm not sure that's any better, really - at least with the intense ones you can get the airports back to full capacity fairly quickly. But if it keeps coming down, and you have to keep closing runways to plow them....

-Mir



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User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

Tomorrow night I'm supposed to be flying through ORD on my way to MSP. So far nothing appears cancelled, and AA is offering rescheduling only through the 24th (so that doesnt help me). Fingers crossed....

User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

I look at the MKE forecast today and the winter storm watch has been downgraded to a winter weather advisory. My main concern is the ice accumulation that is suppose to happen tonight. I would rather have 2 feet of snow than ice!

User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

Looks like ORD's wackiness has been downgraded to freezing rain today, then heavy showers tomorrow. A bit of a relief, but then again, I'm only a browser refresh away from it going the other way.

User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

It looks like MSP (of the midwestern hubs) is going to bear the brunt of this storm: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/wxstory.php?site=mpx

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/images/fxc/mpx/wx/File.png

Quoting ETStar (Reply 7):
Looks like ORD's wackiness has been downgraded to freezing rain today, then heavy showers tomorrow.

Definitely not out of the woods, but Chicagoland is bound to get very wet: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/wxstory.php?site=lot



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User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1610 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2599 times:



Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 8):
It looks like MSP (of the midwestern hubs) is going to bear the brunt of this storm: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/wxstory.php?...e=mpx

Luckily, MSP seems to be best equipped of the hubs to deal with these kinds of events. Obviously flights will be effected, but my experience has generally been that MSP is that airport that runs closest to normal with a major snow storm. Hopefully not too many travelers will have their trips significantly impacted!


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2577 times:



Quoting Steex (Reply 9):
Luckily, MSP seems to be best equipped of the hubs to deal with these kinds of events.

Agreed. It takes a special kind of storm to shut MSP completely down. There is an interesting article in the Star-Tribune (new window) about this very subject... (emphasis mine)

Quote:
At Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, more than 100 pieces of snow-removal equipment are being prepped and nearly 100 employees have been "put on notice that we will call people in this evening when the snow starts occurring," said airport spokesman Pat Hogan. On-site bunk facilities are expected to be used to ensure that the workers won't be kept from reporting for duty, Hogan said.

Hogan is encouraging anyone trying to leave town to accelerate their departure, if possible, to avoid being snowed in at the airport.

"Our goal is to keep at least one runway open at all times," Hogan said. However, he said, scattered weather-related delays elsewhere are having a ripple effect and slowing operations down a touch at the Twin Cities airport.

The official forecast is calling for the snow to fall over three time periods, and Hogan said that scenario would "probably make it easier. ... If we can keep it to no more than a half an inch an hour, we can handle that."

Of greater concern than snow is freezing rain and ice, Hogan said. "We can plow snow, but we can't plow ice," which can making braking a problem for pilots.

Handling 1/2"/hr is pretty darn impressive!

That said, I personally didn't take any chances with MSP tomorrow morning, but I hope not to get stranded in DTW because MSN is iced over!

-Mike



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User currently offlineTrucker From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 190 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

I live in central Wisconsin....about 30 miles south of CWA. Right now our local forecast is saying a wintery mix tomorrow and Friday but all rain by Friday evening. So based on that it looks like airports to the south like MKE and ORD will probably just see rain which although not good is much better then a foot of snow. MSP on the other hand is gonna get clobbered. So good luck to anyone going anywhere near there for the next couple days.

User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

WN has canceled 40 flights at MDW as posted in another thread...
Southwest Cancels Over 40 Flights At MDW! (by TWA1985 Dec 23 2009 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1523 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

Here in the Quad Cities it's still just raining, although pretty heavily. Chicago usually gets our weather a few hours after it starts rolling through here. Hopefully it just keeps raining and doesn't get much colder so it all doesn't turn to ice. I just got back home from Dubuque, IA which is only about an hour north of here, and everything was covered with ice up there, so I'll keep my fingers crossed for all you holiday travelers.  crossfingers 

User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

ORD has 200 cancellations in addition to MDW's previously reported total.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local...nellations-at-Midway-78873682.html

The "freeze line" is steadily moving north, which should help the current situation there.



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User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

I am in MKE right now flying MSP-MKE-BNA. The flight from MKE-MSP was 1 hr 40 minutes late due to a broken APU and deicing. My MKE-BNA flight is currently delayed 2 hrs until 8:20PM due to MKE weather. Hopefully, I will get to BNA tonight!

User currently offlineNWADC10LUVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

We the people of Michigan Wisconsin and Minnesota enact we will never shut down period. We know how to handle snow rain or whatever is thrown our way. We are hearty people and to mother nature we say BRING IT ON! However we may not like it but we deal with it.

User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2208 times:



Quoting NWADC10LUVER (Reply 16):
We the people of Michigan Wisconsin and Minnesota enact we will never shut down period. We know how to handle snow rain or whatever is thrown our way. We are hearty people and to mother nature we say BRING IT ON! However we may not like it but we deal with it.

Good for you, then you can go and fly in extremely inclement weather.

FX1816


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2162 times:



Quoting Acey559 (Reply 13):
Here in the Quad Cities it's still just raining, although pretty heavily.

It's been raining all day here as well and it is about 34 degrees. It doesn't seem like this storm will cause any major problems south of Chicago.



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User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Any chance of an update for this thread from any MSPers? And if any of you MSPers are betting men or women, what odds would you give for getting in from ORD this evening?

User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2988 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Right now (2:00pm local) KOKC is getting 6+ inches of snow and 50+ gusts and is shut down because plows can not keep up. Better luck tomorrow I suspect.

Okie


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21529 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1974 times:



Quoting NWADC10LUVER (Reply 16):
We the people of Michigan Wisconsin and Minnesota enact we will never shut down period.

.....Or not:

Nearly 100 flights from the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport were canceled by midday, and dozens more were delayed.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/12/24/us/AP-US-Holiday-Storm.html


-Mir



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21529 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

It's not forecast to get any easier for MSP today:

KMSP 250534Z 2506/2612 06011KT 3SM -SN BR BKN008 OVC012
TEMPO 2506/2510 1SM -SN OVC012
FM251000 07013KT 2SM -SN SCT008 OVC012
FM251200 07013G23KT 3SM -SNPL BR OVC015
FM251500 07014G25KT 4SM -SNPL BR OVC015
FM260000 07012G18KT 5SM -SN BKN012 OVC020

If those ice pellets hold up, that'll really put a damper on things.

-Mir



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

Illinois has gotten off easy this time. Nothing but rain all day, but it is supposed to turn to snow this afternoon, and it didn't sound like Chicago was getting hit too bad either. It's gonna be a grey Christmas in central Illinois.


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

All of the rain is now snow down here and it is starting to accumulate. We have a pretty stiff wind going now too, but this morning was nice, but rainy. This might cause problems for tomorrow.


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User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 25, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

Anecdotally speaking, my original AUS-MSP-MSN itinerary on Thursday remained on schedule while my AUS-DTW-MSN rebooked itinerary (to avoid MSP during the peak of the storm) ended up running slightly behind schedule. We had a medical divert to IND en route to DTW, and NW held my connection.

For the amount of weather we're getting up here, I'm shocked impressed with seemingly how few impacts are being reported.

-Mike



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