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New Zealand Aviation Thread #69 -Christmas Edition  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 12336 posts, RR: 18
Posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14555 times:
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Welcome to the #69th Christmas Edition of the New Zealand Aviation Thread series. In Thread #68 - New Zealand Aviation Thread #68 (by Jayeshrulz Dec 5 2009 in Civil Aviation) , we learnt and discussed

- More dicussions on NZs recently ordered A320s. NZ also got 11 options with the order, with the option of upgrading to A321s.
- NZ and CO will announce and start code-sharing routes in early 2010.
- QF domestic clubs in AKL, WLG and CHC close down
- WLG opens the first non airline owned and open to the public lounge.
- Timing of NZs Island flights
- NZ will launch its new long haul products early next year. Maybe 2-2-2-2 in Y+?
- NZ axed AKL-SIN route
- NZ steps back into the Australian market with the launch of a trial SYD-RAR flight using B763s from July - October 2010
- JQ and QF routes


Thats the #68th round up

      Merry Christmas      

[Edited 2009-12-22 20:21:23]

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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25690 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14549 times:
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And a very merry Christmas to all, and a good present for me in the form of the SYD-RAR service.

I've always believed this is the way "the return to Oz" should go - not with the big flash routes, but the regional stuff.

I think the quote in the news report probably sums up the business side of it fairly accurately:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...ir-NZ-returns-to-Australian-market

Stuff; "Air New Zealand's brand had recovered in Australia, Mr Sowry said. "Over the past few years we have seen that the brand and the demand for travel and the acceptance of the Air New Zealand products has been very strong ex-Australia. We would like to believe that that chapter in our history is behind us and that Australians have moved on."

There was damage to the brand but it has recovered. Time is the great healer and I am glad to see they are looking to the future.

It's probably silly to read much more into this than it is - a couple of flights a week on a high leisure route for a season.

But it is something.

 Smile

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 12336 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14506 times:
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ANZ bank launches Airpoints Visa with Air New Zealand - http://www.etravelblackboard.com/showarticle.asp?nav=2&id=100505

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 12336 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14335 times:
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Air NZ pulls out of Fashin week naming rights - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...of-Fashion-Week-naming-rights-deal

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 14161 times:

Merry Christmas everyone and a Happy New Year also. May next year be just as eventful on the NZ Aviation threads! Such as the arrival of the first 77W, new routes.. etc. Maybe an announcement of a new airline into NZ? That would be interesting.

Oh btw does anyone have a set date on the 77W EIS?

EDIT: Just want to share this with you.. AKL Airport's greeting:





http://www.flickr.com/photos/anz787900/4210196849/ for a clearer view.

[Edited 2009-12-24 03:24:22]

[Edited 2009-12-24 03:26:32]


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User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13899 times:

HLZCPH and NZ1 re ZK-FRE, now PR-WJQ with Webjet.

Skyliner Aviation has the delivery flight as CHC-CNS-CGK-MLE-DXB-CAI-PMO-OPO-SID-REC-GIG, the longest sector being CNS-CGK at 4,418 kms, followed by CHC-CNS at 3,883 kms.

I was surprised as the longest sector on the shortest routing would be PPT-IPC at 4,254 kms, followed by IPC-SCL at 3,759 kms. And via the USA, APW-HNL and HNL-LAX are 4,181 kms and 4,113 kms respectively.

PA515


User currently offlineUncleKoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13833 times:

Eagle's direct CHC-WSZ flights seem to have dissapeared from the Air NZ reservation system. They still appear under the timetable function on the Air NZ website for the dates I want, just can't book em. What's going on? I understand that it was a four month trial, does this mean it's up for the chop or is there some other explanation?? Would hate to see this one go.


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 12336 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13737 times:
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Unloved Air NZ uniforms back to fashion runway - http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/319555...NZ-uniforms-back-to-fashion-runway

Sounds like Trellise Cooper has won the deal


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25690 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13717 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 7):
Sounds like Trellise Cooper has won the deal

Out of the trendy retro into the trendy fancy. Could be fun, as long as it isn't too fussy.  Smile

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 12336 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13699 times:
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Quoting Mariner (Reply 8):

I really hope the teal colour as on the previous uniform makes a come back as I still prefer that colour


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25690 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 13668 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 9):
I really hope the teal colour as on the previous uniform makes a come back as I still prefer that colour

It may well be one of the colours. But based on her work that I've seen, she likes several colours - all at once.  Smile

It's quite a good look, and a fun look, and very feminine, when she has it under control, but she can get overly fussy. I don't like her balloon skirts.

I've never seen her design a uniform, so I don't know, but it does seem tough for her to leave well enough alone.

If she can restrain her imagination and keep it simple, it could be very interesting.

http://www.trelisecooper.com/trelise_summer_10.html

Click on the thumbnails down at the bottom if you want see more.

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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 13635 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 10):
But based on her work that I've seen, she likes several colours - all at once.

The debut on the Pink flight then, perhaps?  Wink

It would be a change and a step outside the square if NZ did opt for colours which ended up a little on the extravagant side. But it could be portrayed negatively too by the higher end passengers who might get the perception of a tatty airline by the way the FAs dress. Which we all would know to be rather false. So IMO it'd surely have to be modern looking and comfortable - the latter sounds to me like it'd be the most important. They could always revert to body paint  duck 



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25690 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 13615 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 11):
But it could be portrayed negatively too by the higher end passengers who might get the perception of a tatty airline by the way the FAs dress.

She's high end, she dresses some pretty rich people., although some don't like her clothes.

The biggest problem with her (the uniform) might be that it dates pretty quickly - that it is very trendy this year and next year looks like what it is, last year's trendy.

But that might be more true of the other front runner, who is super trendy chic, too:

http://www.taylorboutique.co.nz/

And really not to my taste - I can't bear that faux scruffy look - although the cutting looks pretty good.

I think it is a very difficult job, to combine style and elegance in a practical working garment - mostly what it needs is a top notch tailor - but Air NZ seems to want a "wow" factor as well.

It's that "wow" part that worries me. It was one of the curses the Zambesi design and I wonder if Mr. Fyfe isn't a little too conscious of it.

But really not to be negative. It's a good - if bold - choice. I hope it pays off. For my money, it would be tough to be worse that what they have.

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 12336 posts, RR: 18
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 13561 times:
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TN have 30% Tahiti deals as part of their boxing day sales - http://www.airtahitinui.co.nz/atnspe...=1685&partner_code=&special_type=3


Was just reading about the new secuirty upgrades thanks to the attempted terrorist attack on a DL/NW flight into DTW on Friday. Certainly hope these don't last long
US flights subject to extra secuirty - http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/new-ze...-flights-subject-to-extra-security


User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2275 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13343 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 4):
Oh btw does anyone have a set date on the 77W EIS?

Yes, but I can't divulge just yet.

Quoting UncleKoru (Reply 6):
Eagle's direct CHC-WSZ flights seem to have dissapeared from the Air NZ reservation system. They still appear under the timetable function on the Air NZ website for the dates I want, just can't book em. What's going on? I understand that it was a four month trial, does this mean it's up for the chop or is there some other explanation?? Would hate to see this one go.

Sorry to say these flights have indeed been cancelled, and thus removed from the schedule.

NZ1


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5217 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13242 times:



Quoting NZ1 (Reply 14):
Yes, but I can't divulge just yet.

In your opinion, is it possible that 77W trans-Pacific service (AKL- LAX and/or SFO and/or YYZ) will start with one aircraft before Christmas 2010 ?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13220 times:



Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 15):
is it possible that 77W trans-Pacific service (AKL- LAX and/or SFO and/or YYZ) will start with one aircraft before Christmas 2010 ?

Where did YYZ come into the frame? You mean YVR? Probably also depends on how long they use it over the Tasman to get familiarisation sorted. I would be keen on putting it on the AKL-LAX-LHR flight early just to see the reaction on the most profitable route. And also raise awareness of it through all 3 (and possibly more) countries.



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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5217 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 13130 times:



Quoting NZ107 (Reply 16):
Where did YYZ come into the frame? You mean YVR?

Yes, sorry ...! My dreams must have overcome reality  Big grin


User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2275 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 13099 times:
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Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 15):
In your opinion, is it possible that 77W trans-Pacific service (AKL- LAX and/or SFO and/or YYZ) will start with one aircraft before Christmas 2010 ?

It certainly is possible yes.

NZ1


User currently offlineHLZCPH From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13040 times:



Quoting PA515 (Reply 5):
HLZCPH and NZ1 re ZK-FRE, now PR-WJQ with Webjet.

Skyliner Aviation has the delivery flight as CHC-CNS-CGK-MLE-DXB-CAI-PMO-OPO-SID-REC-GIG, the longest sector being CNS-CGK at 4,418 kms, followed by CHC-CNS at 3,883 kms.

I was surprised as the longest sector on the shortest routing would be PPT-IPC at 4,254 kms, followed by IPC-SCL at 3,759 kms. And via the USA, APW-HNL and HNL-LAX are 4,181 kms and 4,113 kms respectively.

PA515

Thanks for the infomation PA515! Interesting routing for sure, was for the extra scenery?  Smile

How far away and which B733 is next due off lease?



July, AKL-SFO-LAS-SFO-AKL. last ride in the NZ 744?
User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2275 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 12954 times:
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Quoting HLZCPH (Reply 19):
How far away and which B733 is next due off lease?

ZK-SJE, around May 2011, followed by NGF about 6 months after that.

NZ1


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 12336 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12912 times:
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Quoting NZ1 (Reply 20):

When were the A320s due to start domestic routes?


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12844 times:



Quoting HLZCPH (Reply 19):
Thanks for the infomation PA515! Interesting routing for sure, was for the extra scenery?

I wondered if they required alternates on all sectors for some reason. They even tracked over SYD instead of BNE on the CHC-CNS sector. Perhaps Yorden has an idea why they took the long way round.

PA515


User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2275 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12829 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 21):
When were the A320s due to start domestic routes?

Jan/Feb 2011. Remember that the lease ends on SJE in May, but it will require a visit to the hangar for about 2 months prior to that date.

NZ1


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6456 posts, RR: 38
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 12647 times:

Pacifc Blue to fly Cairns to Auckland

Oh, Air New Zealand find themselves some competition! Twice weekly.



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25 777ER : Merry Christmas Pacific Blue and CNS!
26 UncleKoru : Cheers NZ1. That's a shame. I wonder if that means the J32 will be taken off the HKK overnights on Sun, Thurs?
27 Post contains links PA515 : Sounds like the CHC J32 lease will be terminated. The Cessna 208B Grand Caravan could be the answer. USD2M new, 12 pax, nice interior, ideal for low
28 Alangirvan : For Oamaru, it was partly a matter of whether an air service to CHC was the right one, when the distance to CHC is easily driveable (three hours), an
29 NZ107 : Then anything could be possible with a fleet of Grand Caravans. Central Otago - DUD/IVC is one. Not just a major centre to the smaller towns. How lik
30 UncleKoru : The J32 doesn't have the range off of OAM's shortish runway with a consistently viable load. There is also no Jet A1 available at OAM which would hav
31 777ER : Air2There and Sounds Air would be WSZ's best bet. Wonder if either Sounds Air or Air2There could do say a PPQ/WLG - Picton/Kaikoura - CHC - WSZ daily
32 767ER : I was chatting to a long haul FA on NZ recently who was very senior, age wise. I asked him how long he had been flying and he said 'Oh since 1908 when
33 Post contains links 777ER : A mystery Bombardier BD-700 Global Express jet has landed at NSN and is causing a stir during its 3-4 day stay http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3202...
34 Rongotai : Despite what it says in the Stuff article there are a number of sources that assign N57LE to Graham Hart, although there does appear to have been a pe
35 ZK-NBT : Aren't the first 2 aircraft due in October and November respectivly? If so I'd say, AKL-YVR is probably likely with 1 aircraft and maybe NZ5/6 to LAX
36 SunriseValley : I thought the second was due in January but this could have changed. I wonder how the new style seating in Y affects substituting a 77W for either of
37 NZ107 : Starting off with TT flights to orientate crew then I'd be keen on shifting it to NZ5/6 until the 3rd one arrives and then you'd be able to have this
38 NZ1 : The whole 772 fleet will be upgraded starting Jan 2011. Approx 2 months per aircraft. NZ1
39 Kiwiandrew : That is good news , it is important to have a consistent longhaul product across the fleet .
40 ZK-NBT : I say YVR more for the range of the 77W than anything else, the 772 carries no freight hence why the 744 is used, last night YVR flight had 380POB to
41 Aerorobnz : It's no mystery. 5 minutes online can tell you it is Graeme Hart's second GLEX. the original N18WZ was reregistered about 2007 and resides in the US
42 Post contains links Aerorobnz : Just some further info.... N18WZ Bombardier BD-700-1A10 Global Express GLEX 9059 L2J A1405F Trinity Broadcasting of Florida 2000 2008-05-16 N18WZ 2008
43 SunriseValley : This load constraint as quoted above and many times before, on the 772 on the YVR route has always puzzled me. Certainly this constraint cannot be su
44 Cchan : Does this mean that the 772 fleet may stay for longer than initially planned?
45 TG992 : My understanding is this was only due to the 787 delay, the original plan was not to upgrade them? See my question above, if NZ1 confirms this may an
46 SunriseValley : I would think that compensation would need to be in the form of cash or cash equivalents. No doubt extending leases on existing aircraft cost money,
47 NZ1 : 744's are planned to all be retired by end of 2012, so no, they won't be upgraded. The 772 fleet will be staying longer than originally planned. Corr
48 Cchan : Is there a timetable for the retirement yet? Which bird will be the last one to go? IMHO the 772 still have a lot of usable life left, and is way too
49 NZ1 : There is, but I don't have it in front of me at present. IIRC NBV was the last, but I'll have to check on Tuesday. NZ1
50 AerorobNZ : I thought NBT was here to the end..
51 Koruman : I'd be pretty cautious about using the verb "upgrade" until the airline confirms that Economy isn't going to be downgraded to 3-4-3, with or without
52 Gemuser : You are dead right to not want the 10 abreast squeeze on a B777. I've done a round trip SYD-BKK- DXB on EKs 418/419 10 abreast B77Ws, not pleasant. G
53 Aerokiwi : I got caught in the mess that was Qantas today, first at checkin then baggage claim, meaning I spent an inordinate amount of time sitting on Dash 8-Q4
54 Post contains links SunriseValley : How many of you caught Fyfe's interview with IATA in the following link? I think there is content in it that should provide a useful discussion althou
55 SunriseValley : Allan, was the fare saving worth it ? Right now we are spending time with a Kiwi ex-pat in the UK and she tells us of a group from her family that ar
56 Post contains links 777ER : QF48 WLG-SYD was yesterday diverted to CHC after a bird strike - http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/320472...ke-grounds-jet-as-passengers-tweet Why divert
57 NZ107 : Maybe they wanted to be safe with a longer runway in CHC? Not sure about the landing ability of a full 737 on one engine but at least you wouldn't ri
58 ZK-NBT : I wich it was, hehe. NBT was retired but is back in part time service now, it spends a fair bit of time at the Jet Base though! NBV is owned still, t
59 Gemuser : Hugh That is a VERY subjective question! It really depends on the size of their shoulders, hips & bums. The question is seat width. Comparing it with
60 AerorobNZ : my understanding as of about 2-3 weeks ago is that it is being used sporadically to preserve the airframe and the engines covered with dehumidifiers
61 Aerokiwi : Interesting. I've been on EK 77Ws and 773s a number of times on very long distance flights and can't say I notice the width issue at all. I'm 6'3 so
62 Mr Airnz : The jump to a 50 seater was always going to be big and no one within the Link group expected the aircraft to be flying around full all the time. The
63 Gemuser : As i said in reply 59, it is very subjective. I didn't mention it, but the EK pitch was fine. If you are tall & thin then the EK 17" seats would be f
64 NZ1 : NBT is leased, and yes, it is being preserved to prevent it requiring 2 engine overhauls prior to it returning to the lease company. So that ANZES ca
65 CHCalfonzo : ZK-JTQ was the aircraft. It was in the hangar at CHC last night
66 Unclekoru : At a guess, because of marginal weather (WLG wx was approx 25kts gusting 45Kts, max 52 kt Northerly with a decent cross wind in addition to reported
67 PA515 : The initial 17 Q300's were USD200M, or NZD350M at the then exchange rate. That was USD11.76M each against a list price of USD16M. The 6 options taken
68 Aerokiwi : That is interesting ricing information, but hasn't NZ had to pay a price for lugging around extra seats/weight as well? They were freaking out about
69 NZ107 : Remember also that they started up WLG-IVC which could take a little off the CHC-IVC load.
70 Axio : At the moment it's still on summer holiday timetables...
71 DavidByrne : If you look at the schedules for (say) March you'll find there are eight flights a day on CHC-IVC, of which five are AT7s and three DH3s. However, WL
72 V2fix : But with the 744s moving out of the fleet, for economic reasons (fuel costs, maintainence etc), you can extrapolate that some of the new destinations
73 Aerokiwi : Righto then, that is impressive - 8 daily, good to see. I remember the locals complaining when they lost their 3 daily 732 service, replaced initiall
74 NZ107 : Any competition is likely to help such a route. But getting DJ to bring an E90 down here AND making them operate 2x daily might take some effort: loo
75 Koruman : I may be over-sensitive here, but since I expressed my concerns about Air NZ using fancy staggered seats to conceal 10-abreast seating on the 77W, NZ1
76 TG992 : No employees below executive level have any knowledge of what the cabin layout is, despite what they may claim - so you can hardly blame NZ1 for not
77 Alangirvan : It was only a few threads ago that we were told that there might be a new ATR operator - no sign of that so far. Trouble with PacificBlue and Jetstar
78 V2fix : I think it was significant that Air NZ have delayed the ATR replacement programme early this year. Of course the economic downturn does not lend itse
79 Alangirvan : Well, for Turboprops there are not really any all new TPs - just the slightly improved ATR -600 models. The Q300 is out of production, all the 30-36
80 777ER : Wasn't there talk a few months back of DJ sending all their E70s here?
81 NZ107 : All? I don't think it was all. They're perfect for SYD-CBR. Maybe a couple for simple runs to say DUD, IVC, ZQN and possibly some thin TT route.
82 Gasman : Yes, isn't this bizarre. I have only flown EK once, and found it to be most massively over-hyped thing since Barack Obama. And certainly, 10 abreast
83 NZ107 : Opinions are opinions and they'll stay that way. There's a 24cm difference in interior cabin width between a 747 and a 777 yet we don't seem to criti
84 NZ1 : There is an ATR out of the loop in maintenance at the moment through till the end of January. That's not entirely correct. There is a small team belo
85 SunriseValley : My interest is how they test marketed what I would expect to be a variety of options before deciding on a final product. No doubt there are patentabl
86 777ER : I'm pretty certain someone here (DJ738?) said that DJ isn't happy with the performance of the E170s in Australia due to their low seat count combined
87 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ manager named in price fixing case - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...Air-NZ-manager-named-in-price-case[Edited 2010-01-05 13:34:51]
88 NZ107 : Sounds like it could be overkill because they have a few of them. Comparing their fleet of 4(?) 738s then adding the 6 E70s is a massive increase in
89 Mariner : It's a continuing problem with the E170 in low density competitive markets. The costs - CASK - of the E170 and the E190 are similar, but the revenue
90 767ER : I was speaking to an FSM recently and she said exactly the same as you. It is being kept a very closly guarded secret, understandably.
91 777ER : Why an overkill? The E70s would complement the current B738s very well on PacBlues current routes by providing increased frequecys and adding new rou
92 NZ107 : No, not as much as doubling your fleet. At least the Q300s were replacing the 340s, and adding a few more for expansion. How much are passengers will
93 Post contains links and images CHCalfonzo : View Large View MediumPhoto © Sam Chui View Large View MediumPhoto © Nathan Bartlett There's no way the E170 will be coming here. DJ have al
94 NZ107 : That's because if I'm not mistaken, they use these ones for POM services where they can't currently use the Virgin Blue name and a 73G might be too b
95 Gasman : Ah - that's because the 747 is 24cm wider! In a Y class seat, a 2-3cm width reduction will be noticeable by many.
96 NZ107 : I contest that. A reasonable person would not be able to pick up a 2cm difference unless he/she took a measuring tape onboard and calculated it. One
97 Gemuser : Yes they would! I certainly can and did when I flew EK 10 abreats B77W in Oct09. See reply 59. Gemuser
98 Alangirvan : If VirginBlue are still using E-170s on Sydney to Canberra, that is a very short route - about 160 miles/300 km - the E-170s let them have a presence
99 NZ107 : When describing a reasonable person on issues surrounding planes, it would be biased to make a judgement from the viewpoint of an A.Net member. It pr
100 Gemuser : You have something of a point BUT the difference to me is very sharp when getting out of a 10 a breast B77W and straight away into an 8 a breast A332
101 CHCalfonzo : BNE-POM is operated by Virgin Blue with VH registered 73Hs in Pacific Blue livery. The E190 doesn't operate any international services at present.
102 Gemuser : I really think you'll find that POM is operated by Pacific Blue (Oz). Does any body have a boarding pass? Gemuser
103 Gasman : Yeah, fair cop These are the people who would describe evrything from a 762 to an A-380 as a "jumbo"...................
104 Dj738 : POM is operated by VirginBlue under a wetlease agreement on behalf of PacificBlue.
105 Ammunition : Is there any news/updates on the new economy sleeper concept that was touted while back? I can't wait to see some cabin configs and seats just to gras
106 767ER : Nope, top secret.........perhaps later in the year when the 777W are delivered.[Edited 2010-01-05 22:00:14][Edited 2010-01-05 22:00:49]
107 ANstar : Didnt they increase their order from the initial 3 they purchased. Why would they do that if they were unhappy with them? Who is to say they dont cut
108 777ER : When did DJ increase their E70 order?
109 UncleKoru : There have been many rumours regarding change at Pac Blue over the last year. One of the more consistent has been the introduction of the E Jets. It
110 NZ107 : I'm just going to wait and see what they do and then analyse anything they do afterwards. What DJ need to do is to get Live2Air operating in New Zeal
111 ANstar : Their initial order was for 3 jets, they now have 6. So they ordered an addiotnal 3. What's to say the new order doesnt include 737-700's without LTV
112 NZ107 : Oh, the new order. I was under the impression that they'd send the old ones to NZ. Are the 5 showing up on the Boeing website all -700s? There aren't
113 777ER : When did DJ increase their E70 order?
114 Post contains links PA515 : Early 2007, according to the fourth paragraph of this Press Release. www.virginblue.com.au/AboutUs/Media/NewsandPressReleases/P_002537.htm There has
115 Dj738 : Are you suggesting the rest of the PB fleet be fitted with Live2Air to match any -700s that would be sent over? Because if you're not, and you mean t
116 777ER : Thanks. 2007 was 3 years ago. Someone here (believe it was DJ738) around August/September/October 2009 said that DJ wasn't happy with the E70s and we
117 ANstar : The point I was trying to make is reagrdless of the fact that Live to Air does not currently operate in NZ, a live to air aircraft could still be use
118 777ER : All the domestic flights need is a TV show and a few CDs loaded on to it The Y+ upgrade was announced around November, but havn't heard about a possi
119 Dj738 : March / April.[Edited 2010-01-06 16:10:29 by DJ738]
120 Post contains links PA515 : Moving the 170's to New Zealand would not change the economics of this aircraft. While the fuel price is back to where it was in early 2007, the tren
121 28L28L : Can anyone tell me which NZ 747-400s are equipped with General Electric Engines and which are equipped with Rolls Royce? Cheers.
122 CHCalfonzo : GE: SUH SUJ SUI NBW NBV RR: NBT NBU (+ retired NBS)
123 NZ1 : The concepts for the new uniform have just been released to staff. Will be sent to the media shortly. Be prepared for some radical thinking, not sure
124 NZdsgnr : OMG I can't wait to see what they chose
125 NZB : I have to agree. I know its only concept but colours of the Dress and skirt would not be my choice. I think the male uniform is an improvement. Judgi
126 Post contains links NZdsgnr : has that got anything to do with the new uniforms? http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/top-k...er-air-new-zealand-uniform/5/35008
127 ANstar : Just got shown the,! Not my cup of tea - The dress for the females looks like something straight out of the 80's....It also looks like an attempt to d
128 ANstar : Indeed it has!
129 NZdsgnr : quite disappointing then
130 AerorobNZ : The mens waistcoat is Liberace meets Graham Norton meets Elton John meets Zealandia Karori Wildlife Sanctuary.... In general the men look like Mr Hump
131 UncleKoru : I had lots of trouble too. Looks like it's running at two stars out of five at the moment. To my eye, they're very bold and busy designs. I prefer th
132 777ER : The first photo looks to much like SQ. The second picture looks like a QF style blazer and pants - but IMHO the green under the black looks nice.
133 SunriseValley : Different tastes for different folks. I think the BA pinstripe design on the male's looks extremely sharp and very professional.
134 Zkpilot : The dress looks like someone vomited green vegetables all over it. The actual suit part of the uniform looks pretty smart (not sure if it really work
135 NZdsgnr : i am not so sure about the pinstripe.
136 Post contains links MotorHussy : Stuff carries the story this morning! http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...-Zealand-reveal-new-Barbie-uniform
137 Post contains images MotorHussy : Mmm, not sure about this. Like the current one more.
138 Mariner : " target=_blank>http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...iform All my worst fears realized: Only instead of "wow", my reaction is "ugh." mariner
139 767ER : Bloody awful........can't they go for something classier like BA or QF. JQ and DJ have nicer uniforms than this fashion nightmare. NZ should head back
140 MotorHussy : I think the men's uniform is worse than the women's - it's just so derivative. And the teal coloured tie?! Now if this is to go with the launch of the
141 Mariner : It is the same basic problem as Zambesi. It is design that draws attention to itself, design that shrieks "look at me!" mariner
142 Post contains links Mariner : But to be fair, I don't mind the female pant suit, as shown in this article: http://lucire.com/insider/20100108/a...-trelise-cooper-designed-uniforms
143 Gasman : Agreed. Not with you there. I think the current uniform is a disgrace, and credit needs to be given to ANZ for at least recognising this outfit as an
144 Antskip : "The uniform is contemporary, based on New Zealand themes with a cohesive visual uniformity". These uniforms are the funniest thing I have seen for ag
145 Aerohottie : They're joking huh... Its an early april fools... surely.... If this is for real, and represents the new interiors, then my only conclusion is that Ai
146 AerorobNZ : new zealand's P ravaged fashion/marketing/media society comes to the fore....
147 TravellerPlus : They don't call it "shocking pink" for nothing. Who'd have thought that someone could design something so ghastly that the thought of wearing body pai
148 Gasman : Clutching at straws here, but............ Is it possible we're being influenced by the photography here? The male model looks like he is 5 foot 3 with
149 Post contains links Mariner : Oops! Don't know what happened there. You'll find them all in this link: http://www.isaaclikes.com/2010/01/10...usive-trelise-coopers-new-air.html mar
150 Zkpilot : I don't think Gisele Bundchen (sp?) or any other supermodel could actually make it look good. Its pretty ghastly. The old uniform was bad on the wome
151 NZ107 : Wow, talk about eccentric. I would much rather see them in a more classic style than this bold outfit. That pink is a little too hot for my liking but
152 777ER : This new uniform is being introduced with the B773s, if those are going to be the uniforms then maybe its time to start getting worried about how the
153 Kiwiandrew : Proof that you should be careful about what you wish for . I wonder if all those people who bitched and moaned about the current uniform are wishing t
154 ZKEOJ : Totally agree! I think the pink is a bit much, but the rest doesn't look too bad. And once you see it in real life it might be quite nice....and actu
155 Aerokiwi : I think management might be trying a little too hard here. Trelise Cooper is known for fairly limited-appeal designs - why they went with her, I know
156 Mariner : What worries me is that I think you might be right. mariner
157 777ER : IMHO, the only nice part about the so far new designs is the female ground staff crew with the black pants and top and the green shirt. Based on what
158 Gasman : I presume you mean the uniform previous to the current grey Hermann Munster outfit? If so, I agree. That one wasn't even beginning to look tired and
159 TG992 : Garish gold buttons hanging at all angles off a double breasted suit? I did like the Lee uniform's white shirt option for females, but the rest of it
160 Post contains images Mariner : The excellent Barbara Lee designs? I agree. I really wish Air NZ would remove the words "wow" and "cutting edge" and "funky" from their vocabulary. W
161 Gasman : Yeah fair cop. I suspect this too. Reserving final judgement until I see it. Is it a fait accompli?
162 Nzrich : I actually think the new uniform looks ok !! After being in the current uniform for a while i cant wait for a nit of colour .. Some say JQ and DJ look
163 ZKEOJ : I guess it is an invalid/flawed comparison: You compare smiling crew members with a model (who actually is not even a model but Trelise's receptionis
164 Gasman : Same effect on me. I really don't care that there are people out there dim enough to believe ANZ staff fly in the nude, but to me this was yet anothe
165 Post contains links Mariner : I've already said I think the pant suit is fine. The rest, especially the women's overcoat, I think is simply unflattering design. It os always perso
166 TN486 : Just flicking through this thread, there are a number of conjectures re DJ etc etc. There is a very interesting interview with Brett Godfrey, the VB C
167 SXI899 : Was off on a ATR42 ferry (Denmark-Indonesia), so I couldn't respond earlier. That is certainly the long way round. We didn't do this flight, so I hav
168 ANstar : How is it going ot look on a non model. I mean some of the long haul FA's are hardly going to look nice in these uniforms.
169 Gasman : I don't think the uniform is such that one has to be a model with a BMI (Body Mass Index) of less than 20 to look good in it. People of a normal healt
170 Nzrich : Just remember the staff have a choice of options and will wear what suits them !!! Not every piece in the collection will look great on every body ty
171 777ER : Thanks for that. Must head over to the local bookshop and read it now!
172 Post contains links Mariner : I haven't seen this posted anywhere, but it seems like a very smart move: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6091YA20100110 Reuters: "NZ's Auckland
173 Aerokiwi : Actually I've noticed that too. Occasionally PacBlue donmestic will have Australian crew onboard (it's fairly obvious) and they are noticably more ov
174 Gasman : Yeah me too. I had a recent experience in Biz Premier along those lines, right after a return trip to Europe on SIA J class. The contrast was stagger
175 Mariner : I have a lot of sympathy with the idea, although I dread to think what it would cost. Context, in architecture (in all design) can mean everything, a
176 TG992 : Rob Fyfe has said that he wants the style of service at NZ to be similar to hosting a backyard BBQ. Unlike other airlines, we have no 'style guide' as
177 Aerokiwi : I suppose it is a point of difference. But I don't like anyone calling me "mate", to be honest. And if you are trying to attract premium pax from non
178 GarethW : I would consider a "world-class" airline's cabin service & a backyard BBQ to be mutually exclusive.... The issue I have with this statement TG992, is
179 TG992 : The fact is that Air NZ is usually ranked one of the best 'Western' airlines to fly, by Asian customers as well as Western, and in fact BEAT SQ for '
180 Dj738 : With all due respect, PacificBlue domestic is never operated by Australian crew. We have one or two Australians that work for us, perhaps by chance y
181 Post contains images Mariner : Maybe I'm missing something, but I only see two routes - Jetstar CNS-NRT and CNS-KIX (has that begun yet?). That map doesn't include a number of the
182 ANstar : RE CNS... I'd say alot of those doemstic routes are also reliant on the japanese tourists.... ASP/AYQ for starters.
183 Mariner : As noted above, there aren't that many Japanese tourists coming in, which would imply very bad news for those two routes. Yet still the routes are fl
184 GarethW : I actually agree with the 'Be Yourself' mantra, on the basis that NZ, or any company for that matter, should be employing individuals into service-ba
185 767ER : I am not fussed on being called ‘Sir’ - it’s just so formal. I don’t really care for being called ‘Mate’ either. Nor do I particularly lik
186 DavidByrne : . . . and it can be misheard as "doll", which is even more cringeworthy . . .
187 767ER : Oh god I have heard that one too on QF. I was once on a log distance train here in Aussie and the conductor referred to this bogan female passenger,
188 777ER : One of New Zealand's favourite activity's is the summer BBQ, so IMHO its good that NZ is really trying to show NZs culture. I do believe that NZ coul
189 TG992 : What did you have in mind? Always willing to learn.
190 AerorobNZ : I always address customers as Sir/Madam if I don't know their name, and Mr/Mrs/Ms if I am aware of their name - If I have not been formally introduced
191 TG992 : Thought better of this post.[Edited 2010-01-10 21:20:09]
192 TG992 : Your 'tacky and lower-classed' colleagues love you too
193 ANstar : They are still coming in - just not in the numbers of the past. Many now come in via BNE/OLL rather than CNS direct. Having just got back from CNS th
194 Aerokiwi : Interesting - I've been on two flights where the FA yabbering into the PA system got the name of the city wrong, admitted to not being familiar with
195 Mariner : Yes. Japanese are still going to Australia, if not in the numbers that they were. The high Oz dollar isn't helping. I'm just struggling with the idea
196 TG992 : I can only quantify it by my 140ish flights per year for the last ...many years, where it is one aspect of our service singled out by passengers when
197 767ER : This sounds like a Jetstar flight to Bali/Thailand from anywhere in Australia.
198 UncleKoru : To my mind, those with real talent in this area are able to "pick" their clients and then use an appropriate style of communication. I see the use of
199 Aerokiwi : I didn't even know these surveys existed - must've skipped that email. And everyone at Air NZ can read them? True. But I've had "mate" as a default t
200 Mariner : Yes. I had already done that. So I was surprised by your statement that CNS is "highly reliant" on the Japanese market. It may have been once. It isn
201 Gasman : I suspect the ANZ cabin crew that are posting on this website are in fact experts at achieving the appropriate mix of professionalism and friendliness
202 Aerokiwi : But it will be again - the other markets aren't growing. And Osaka is going to be brought back on in April, I believe, making Japan at least 50%. Ess
203 Post contains links TG992 : You must have also skipped listening to the PA that is made at the top of descent on every flight (longhaul at least) for about the last 18 months. "
204 Post contains links Mariner : I thought I'd already covered Osaka - KIX. I'm not sure what you mean by the second half of the statement - sure, Cairns is wholly reliant on Cairns.
205 Aerokiwi : Evidently. Ooops. I do zone out of PA announcements, except, oddly enough, those byDJ. Ha, I guess quirkiness does work. Yeah sorry about that, obvio
206 Zkpilot : whilst it may appear to be similar (one airport buying another) there are many differences which make this acceptable and the Dubai offer not. 1) AIA
207 SunriseValley : In what ways? Don't the carriers operating at AKL have some form of association that represents their collective interest in dealing with AIAL ?
208 Post contains links Mariner : No, it isn't. Thankfully. I am wary of anything that promises to set the world on fire. But it is growth - international growth - and added to the re
209 SunriseValley : And some of it comes back as dividends to NZ'ers who hold shares in the Australian parents. It goes both ways. If NZ'ers feel strong enough about it
210 Mariner : On balance, I'd have to think that the Australian shareholders in Australian banks probably outnumber the Kiwi shareholders by some margin. I don't k
211 Post contains links 777ER : New Zealand Aviation Thread #70 (by 777ER Jan 11 2010 in Civil Aviation)
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