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American Airlines AA331 Overrun At KIN!  
User currently offlineSpeedbird2263 From Jamaica, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 69734 times:

The details are a bit sketchy at the moment however I got a call from a friend who lives nearby the Airport that reported an aircraft having landed on the road that leads to the airport. I immediately called a fellow pilot and he confirms that AA landed on runway 12 at KIN/MKJP and overran. He's telling me that the aircraft has broken into 3 pieces and reports that there may have been fatalities. I will update as soon as I get more information.

Please guys prayers for the crew and passengers. The weather has been crappy all day with a steady rain.  

[Edited 2009-12-22 21:02:17]


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User currently offlineCOFreqFlyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 70006 times:

Info link:
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/Ameri...s-plane-crashes-at-Jamaica-airport



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9666 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 69854 times:

I hope that everything turns out well and that the incident was not as bad as it sounds.

The plane is scheduled to be a 737-800 and arrive at 12:46 AM local time.

[Edited 2009-12-22 20:58:05]


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User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1435 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 69777 times:

WOW!! I really hope everything turns out fine! Tis sounds really serious!


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User currently offlineBUFMD90PL From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 69769 times:

Wow unbelievable...I hope everyone is ok!

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User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1813 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 69770 times:

Lets keep our fingers crossed and hope no one is injured or killed considering the proximity to christmas.


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User currently offline44k From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 69789 times:

Oh no!! AA331, showing ETA of 2227 lcl. Prayers here.

User currently offlineKLASM83 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 69772 times:

Hope and prayers to the passengers and crew.  pray 


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User currently offlineSpeedbird2263 From Jamaica, joined Jul 2006, 470 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 69562 times:



Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 5):
Lets keep our fingers crossed and hope no one is injured or killed considering the proximity to christmas.

Ok guys Im terribly sorry for the double posts. I have already suggested deletion.

So far I've been told no fatalities however passengers are being bussed to nearby Hospitals for treatment. I live close to the airport as well and can tell you that the rain is relentless.



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User currently offlineMercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1607 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 69587 times:

MKJP 230430Z 34011KT 44000 RA BKN014 FEW016CB BKN100 21/13 Q1013 RESHRA
MKJP 230400Z 32014KT 11500 +SHRA BKN014 FEW016CB SCT028 BKN090 21/18 Q1013 RERA
MKJP 230300Z 32008KT 33000 +SHRA BKN014 FEW016CB SCT030 BKN100 21/20 Q1014 RETSRA
MKJP 230228Z 31009KT 5000 TSRA BKN014 FEW016CB SCT030 BKN100 22/19 Q1013
MKJP 230200Z 30012KT 5000 SHRA BKN014 SCT030 BKN100 22/20 Q1013 RERA
MKJP 230100Z 040033KT 5000 SHRA BKN016 SCT030 BKN100 23/20 Q1013 RERA
MKJP 230000Z 32004KT 9999 FEW016 BKN030 BKN100 24/19 Q1012
MKJP 222300Z 00000KT 9999 VCSH SCT016 SCT030 BKN100 24/20 Q1011


User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2100 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 69478 times:

Glad to hear of no fatalities...I hope those that are injured will recover. Anybody know the ship number...seems like it was operated by a 738.

User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1435 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 69397 times:



Quoting Speedbird2263 (Reply 8):
So far I've been told no fatalities however passengers are being bussed to nearby Hospitals for treatment. I live close to the airport as well and can tell you that the rain is relentless.

Thank God! As one poster stated, we don't need a fatal accident so close to Christmas.

Quoting Mercure1 (Reply 9):
MKJP 230400Z 32014KT 11500 +SHRA BKN014 FEW016CB SCT028 BKN090 21/18 Q1013 RERA
MKJP 230300Z 32008KT 33000 +SHRA BKN014 FEW016CB SCT030 BKN100 21/20 Q1014 RETSRA
MKJP 230228Z 31009KT 5000 TSRA BKN014 FEW016CB SCT030 BKN100 22/19 Q1013
MKJP 230200Z 30012KT 5000 SHRA BKN014 SCT030 BKN100 22/20 Q1013 RERA

Very bad weather. And that temp./dewpoint spread is very close!!



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 69238 times:
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Quoting Speedbird2263 (Reply 8):
So far I've been told no fatalities however passengers are being bussed to nearby Hospitals for treatment. I live close to the airport as well and can tell you that the rain is relentless.

Thanks for the updates! I can't believe this happened! My thoughts are with the crew and passengers on board.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 11):
Thank God! As one poster stated, we don't need a fatal accident so close to Christmas.

The situation seems fluid at the moment. AA hasn't released a statement as yet.


User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 69154 times:

Eerily reminiscent of the crash of AA 1420 at LIT 10 years ago. Thoughts and prayers for everyone onboard.


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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3332 posts, RR: 45
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 69154 times:

I hope everything is ok. Thanks for the updates, Speedbird!

Thoughts and prayers with those involved.  pray 

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineBW424 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Sep 2008, 1435 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 69088 times:



Quoting KBUF (Reply 13):
Eerily reminiscent of the crash of AA 1420 at LIT 10 years ago. Thoughts and prayers for everyone onboard.

Thought the same thing!

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 12):
The situation seems fluid at the moment. AA hasn't released a statement as yet.

That's true. Still, fingers crossed!



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 68986 times:

Here is hoping everyone is alright.


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User currently offlineCrosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 68975 times:

Here's the initial report on CNN...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/12/22/jamaica.plane/index.html

"An American Airlines plane overshot a runway Tuesday evening near Kingston, Jamaica, airport officials said.

Flight 331 was carrying 145 passengers plus 7 crew members and was going from Miami to Kingston, said Omar Lawrence, operations coordinator at Norman Manley International Airport.

There were no initial reports of casualties in the incident that happened at 10:22 p.m. All people on the plane had exited, Lawrence said."


User currently offlineNwafan20 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 68916 times:

Wow, saddening news, hoping that everyone is fine. Never a good thing to hear about.


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User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 68838 times:



Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 10):
Anybody know the ship number...seems like it was operated by a 738.

Flightaware has it as a 738. Not sure on the reg#, though.



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User currently offlineJM079 From Canada, joined Jan 2008, 2310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 68582 times:

Live radio broadcast from KIN is reporting that 3 passengers are seriously injuries and are now being treated at the Kingston Public Hospital. The news report also says the emergency service is now activated and the airport is now closed.

So far there are no fatalities and lets hope that it stay so.


User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3036 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 68617 times:
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Quoting KBUF (Reply 19):
Not sure on the reg#, though.

A post on flyertalk suggests that it was N977AN, delivered in 2001.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...n-crash-landing-dec-22-2009-a.html



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 68458 times:
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Quoting JM079 (Reply 20):
Live radio broadcast from KIN is reporting that 3 passengers are seriously injuries and are now being treated at the Kingston Public Hospital.

Any word on the crew?


User currently offlineMikelive From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 68449 times:

Thoughts and prayers are with all aboard.

User currently offlineKBUF From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 68525 times:

Here's N977AN in better days:


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25 BW424 : Appreciate the info guys! Seems every hope of minimal injuries is getting brighter.
26 NZ107 : The media down here just reported that an American Airlines 747 crashed at Kingston.. It still amazes me how things can get so misinterpreted. I'm ful
27 Cbphoto : Thoughts and Prayers for all the passengers and crew on board. Not a good time for something like this to happen, especially so close to the holidays.
28 Post contains links Danfearn77 : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8427628.stm The BBC have got hold of the story Qoute: 'A spokesman for American Airlines, Charley Wilson, told the
29 AirJamaica : Just saw an update on the tele. There seem to be no fatalities. Port Royal Rd is blocked off and only emergency vehicles/personnel allowed. An over-sh
30 Speedbird2263 : I'm still getting reports of no fatalities thus far and for that I'm extremely relieved. There have been injuries however that I can't elaborate on ho
31 JpetekYXMD80 : There is not a lot of space to work with there. I am guessing the a/c went through the fence and onto the road, which the change in elevation probably
32 BW424 : Relieved to hear of the confirmation of no casualties. As time goes on, we'll definitely get more information and then the focus will shift to the ev
33 CYLW : This brings back memories of Air France in YYZ Hope everyone is ok
34 Speedbird2263 : The photo doesn't show the exact end of RWY 12 however it does give one a good idea. The elevation change at the end is about 15-20 ft and right wher
35 MAH4546 : Latest reports are the plane is in one piece.
36 JpetekYXMD80 : We've gone from 3 to 2 to 1. I like this trend.
37 Acey : The reports are looking better and better... hope everyone is alright.
38 SCL767 : Thank goodness! Most injuries were probably caused by the rapid evacuation of the a/c.
39 KLASM83 : That coupled with 0 fatalities will mean that this 'crash' will hopefully be a minor overrun-always a good thing. Edit: Spelling and tyops.[Edited 20
40 Post contains links NotLegalAdvice : According to the Miami Herald, even though there were reports the plane broke into pieces, "The airline said the plane came to a safe stop." Safe stop
41 AirJamaica : Very much so. That is what I am hearing as well.
42 Speedbird2263 : I concur! Let's continue to hope and pray that everyone will be ok after the entire ordeal and that AA's bird might even be able to fly outta there s
43 Huaiwei : My local news reports 0 fatalities and about 40 injured. Hope they are not in too bad a shape and recover well in time for the new year!
44 KBUF : " target=_blank>http://www.miamiherald.com/news/brea....html From the article: I think if a passenger on the flight says that it broke into pieces, th
45 Danfearn77 : Lets hope! In todays world though any bit of pain will be statistically classed as an injury. So it doesnt sound so bad. They could have used the wor
46 JpetekYXMD80 : I don't. Some pax would say that after hearing a thud or feeling a bump!
47 Post contains links NotLegalAdvice : From the Dallas Morning News (which appears to be getting their info from the Miami Herald and AP): However, the Associated Press late Tuesday quoted
48 777ER : I heard on the news that an AA B738 had crashed while landing. Guess some media do get things correct!
49 DL Widget Head : "safe stop" could refer to no fatalities sustained. Indeed, the article you cited includes one passenger's account indicating that the plane "broke r
50 Rgreenftm : From the Miami Hearld While I understand this early, everything is sketchy, I wonder if it did actually break in three pieces - it seems a passenger w
51 Acey : Passengers also think the plane is deploying weapons when the gear is extended.... I prefer to wait for official word.
52 NotLegalAdvice : Reuters is now reporting that 3 of the 40 injured were "seriously hurt", no fatalities. I really have a hard time imagining a 737 breaking into severa
53 Huaiwei : I am not sure if a shell-shocked survivor has the time or mood to survey the entire crash scene thou. Anyhow, 1 piece or 3 pieces, I am relieved that
54 JM079 : Milton Walker from TVJ is reporting live from NMIA and has confirmed that the aircraft has broken in three pieces on the beach. He is reporting that p
55 DL Widget Head : Apparently, this passenger was seated near row 8. IIRC, there is a production joint on the 738 right around that area which naturally would be a weak
56 Post contains links BOACCunard : Statement from AA: http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2812 I am very relieved to hear that there have apparently been no fatalities. My thoug
57 Post contains links Atlturbine : "The injured passengers have been taken to the Kingston Public Hospital," Information Minister Daryl Vaz told the Jamaica Observer. "There are no repo
58 BOACCunard : And now the AA newsroom page is blank. It says, "For more information about Flight 331, click here," but there is no link to click on, and all press r
59 Pilotaydin : not really a factor in these sorts of issues, not a low visibilty issue, which is what temp/dew point proximity will bring, we're more interested her
60 UAL757 : I saw this on Twitter. (Who says twitter isn't useful?) Jamaica is a trending topic because of the crash. (Let's pray that everyone is alright - and t
61 SCL767 : Very scary info! I really hope all crew and pax survived!
62 Post contains links and images HummingBird : Could have been worse..The pilot did not have much space to work with..
63 Acey : Airliners.net is the most reliable source for any aviation incident. As soon as I saw "runway" come up on twitter I came here.
64 Pilotaydin : from that pic, it looks like a 6000 ft runway to me, give or take a lil....pretty much the length of runway we have in eastern turkey or in the less d
65 Mbm3 : Given what I saw on Google Maps, it does not look like there is a lot of overun area at the end of the runway. Thankfully there was enough land to avo
66 Post contains links and images Flood : only small image surfaced so far: http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/
67 Post contains links Atlturbine : AMERICAN AIRLINES STATEMENT REGARDING FLIGHT 331 Release #1 @ 11:58 (p.m.) U.S. Central Time PRNewswire FORT WORTH, Texas FORT WORTH, Texas, Dec. 22 /
68 Pilotaydin : Water runoffs are actually preferred in these situations...the G forces and decelerations are much smoother than on hard land, causing less break up
69 Stratosphere : 6000' is plenty for a 737..Of course we don't know all the details of this incident..But AA used to fly DC-10's from JFK into KIN not all that long a
70 Post contains links and images HummingBird : According to the news, the aircraft stoped on the beach..
71 BOACCunard : Now the AA news release page says, "For more information about Flight 331, see below," but I don't see anything below. Can anyone see what is there, i
72 Atlturbine : By all accounts thus far this could have been a horrible tragedy. Let us all hope this will be a remarkable story of survival and piloting like the mi
73 Mbm3 : I stand corrected. I just thought the water at night would have caused more chaos after a bumpy ride across the beach.[Edited 2009-12-22 22:41:58 by
74 Acey : Reminding me simultaneously of AA at LIT and WN 1248 at MDW.
75 Post contains links NotLegalAdvice : There appears to be a photo of survivors being escorted to safety on the Jamaica Observer mainpage. Person in the foreground has a bloody lip. No new
76 Post contains links SkyguyB727 : I just checked www.aa.com. As of 0043 CST, there is not one word about the incident.
77 BMI727 : At least they have good load factors. Perhaps more survivable initially, but firefighters will have a much harder time both fighting a potential fire
78 Caribbean484 : The runway at Norman Manley is about 8,900'. Thanks goodness there are no fatalities.
79 Post contains links Atlturbine : Go to: http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=106&item=2
80 Mir : I wouldn't call an accident where the airplane breaks into three pieces a minor overrun. But the most important thing is that nobody lost their lives
81 Post contains links Mbm3 : It was posted on AA.com earlier - the release is noted in an earlier post and I grabbed it for my blog as well. http://www.mix3travel.com/en/2009/12.
82 Speedbird2263 : The runway is a little over 8000feet. As I mentioned before VS 070 was getting ready to depart and that's a 747-400 and BA sends the 772 there as wel
83 Pilotaydin : I hope i didnt come off as a jerk, i didn't mean to be rude It's still in the AM here I hate waking up to a plane crash, esp since my masters is in a
84 Ilanbwoy : Something tells me the plane did break apart..that pic looks a little off. It could be camera angle.....hoping for the best. Kudos to the crew.
85 Pilotaydin : oops then, i thought i counted the white stripes properly early morning eyes
86 PhxIAHszxJNU : MSNBC is reporting that the flight lost an engine upon landing and the gear collapsed.
87 Mbm3 : Far from it! It was an informative post - thanks!
88 Pilotaydin : not to be a mood kill, but for what?
89 Atlturbine : Just like the rest of us you are getting this in "real time"...no worries! I hope to wake up to the same news..everyone is OK!
90 GothamSpotter : NBC now reporting an engine came off and the gear collapsed during landing. Note: METAR reported light winds.
91 Acey : Wow that is a breaking piece of news, any follow up to this?
92 Ilanbwoy : No prob..but i think they probably used auto brake and then stepped on the brakes themselves instictively to try to stop quicker....i would. Anyways,
93 Pilotaydin : if the autobrake was on 3, it would have made no difference on braking distance to not have a reverse, or any reverse on that engine for that matter.
94 Pilotaydin : are you near the scene? can you snap us some pics?!?!
95 Mir : Indeed One would think that the engine coming off (if it did actually happen) would be a result of the gear collapse. -Mir
96 LH744 : " target=_blank>http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri....html That post at Flyertalk refers to an ACARS movement. But the time it was saved was 21:57
97 Acey : Wonder if just came down real hard causing the gear collapse, broke the engine off, weak braking due to the conditions, and ran off the runway. Just t
98 CHRISBA777ER : Not a lot to go on. Touched down late, perhaps caught a gust on flare and took a while to rectify, braking action poor, poor visibility, full spoilers
99 AirJamaica : Correct. It should also be noted that MBJ's 07/25 is more or less the same length as well facilitating B744's, B772's, A332's, A340's etc comfortably
100 Mir : For getting the passengers off the plane safely. Even if the crash was complete pilot error (and, just to be clear, I'm not saying that it was), the
101 Navigator : The runway at KIN seems to be almost 3000 meters long. A 737-800 would need less than half of that length to get to a full stop at most runway conditi
102 EBGflyer : Glad to hear the reports of minimal injuries. Anybody know what the return flight would have been? I assume it would have left as AA 1504 next morning
103 NotLegalAdvice : "I know it is too early to speculate, but I'm going to anyway."
104 DL Widget Head : Agreed. the F/A crew apparently did an outstanding job!
105 BMI727 : Evacuating a full plane safely is no small trick. It would certainly take damage, but I am not sure that it would come off. And furthermore, we do no
106 MAH4546 : Given that it is the holiday season and there is plenty of time to fly a plane to Kingston in time for that flight, I expect AA will do just that, ra
107 Speedbird2263 : Hopefully the aircraft can be removed sooner than later so that the runway can be re-opened. Weather permitting that should be done before midday tom
108 Post contains links Jamake1 : Updated information with first pics of the injured and tail section. http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/
109 AirJamaica : Yes currently AA 331 arrives daily from MIA into KIN at 9:10 pm and return the following morning as AA 1504 at 7:05 am.
110 Post contains links JM079 : The wednesday edition of the Gleaner online is reporting: http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20091223/lead/lead1.html
111 Anshuk : There are still no confirmed reports of fatalities according to CNN. Also, the photos look disturbing. There is one particular photo of a Captain help
112 MKEdude : Looked at the site, it seems to have missed the boat about the AA incident.
113 Post contains links Danfearn77 : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8427628.stm They have a new picture to accomany the story. Looks like it ruptured about 2/3 the way down the fusel
114 BMI727 : Yep, that plane has seen its last flight.
115 JM079 : The link is there to the report.
116 Post contains images Flood : edited pic... not a pretty sight.
117 Mrskyguy : Another miraculous ending for an ill-fated flight in 2009! Here's hoping for a speedy recovery to those involved, both mentally and physically.
118 F9Animal : Getting everyone off the airplane! Saving lives. Doing what they are trained to do. I say that is beyond enough to show some gratitude to the flight
119 Ward86IND : I don't know what the big deal is with some people having a problem with speculation. Thankfully no one has been killed and obviously we won't know th
120 CHRISBA777ER : Wonder whether the gear collapse happened on the runway or when it went into the sand.
121 Kappel : From this pic it does look like the fuselage cracked near the tail section. Either way, the most important part is that there are no fatalities, and
122 BOACCunard : I find it amusing when people say, "I know it's too early to speculate, but..." and then go on and speculate. I have no problem with speculation itse
123 EBGflyer : Definitely a write-off.
124 GVAJFKflyer : Do we ever ?
125 Aesma : Passengers clapping makes me think that the braking was not very powerful : you clap after the braking generally.
126 Cricket : RIP N977AN hopefully some of your parts will keep on flying!
127 F9Animal : Depends on the aircraft. Airbus, I just clap when the wheels make the pavement! Boeing, I clap when the seat belt sign turns off. CRJ, I clap when I
128 Chris78cpr : Jeeese thats not nice to see! I flew that bird a bout a year ago! Won't be flying her again! It's good to hear no one was killed in the incident. I ho
129 Revelation : I knew I could count on someone to bring that up. In this case, though, it just means more victims to compensate. And yes, I too did same math in my
130 ThegreatRDU : How bout the AF 343 crash in Toronto....a "Lufthansa 737" Nice
131 Micstatic : Definitely an insurance claim!
132 Jetfixr757 : Wow, this is too bad however all speculators out there need not forget windshear...
133 Offloaded : Sounds like you've got the clap? This is an excellent outcome to such a serious incident. As I am flying out of FAO tomorrow, where it has been raini
134 757GB : I'm very happy that there was no fire and everyone made it out of that flight. To say the obvious, it could have been a huge tragedy. Wishing a full &
135 BOACCunard : Interestingly (and I apologize if someone else has brought this up already), this unfortunate aircraft met its end exactly eight years and two days af
136 DFWEagle : That is correct. AA is ferrying a spare 738 from DFW to operate the return flight this morning. AA1504 will be delayed until at least 10:00 awaiting
137 LTBEWR : Let us hope there continues to be no fatalities in this crash of AA331, and no one has long-term injures. I am very concerned that with 100's of pax t
138 Pliersinsight : Funny how nobody brought up the tailwind issue yet. I may not be an ATP, but from the looks of things they landed with a tailwind, on a wet runway...
139 Mir : Can they even land? I'd imagine that it will take some time to clear the wreckage out of the approach and departure path. -Mir
140 B707forever : Aside from the obvious correlation to the LIT incident, in wondering what more we can learn and observe about this incident what seems to be arising i
141 Post contains links Stillageek : Ferry Flight on the way http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL9637
142 DFWEagle : Apparently, KIN has just been given clearance to re-open in the last hour. AA9637 (DFW-KIN ferry) got clearance to depart about 30 mins ago and is on
143 Navigator : I am once again into speculations... In Little Rock the American Airlines crew forgot to arm the spoilers...What if this happened again in this case?
144 Post contains images Speedbird2263 : As I now understand it and from the pics I have seen its a real miracle! The aircraft pretty much went over the edge of the runway and the amazing thi
145 Mir : Runway 12 is the only runway that has an ILS approach. The only approach I see for 30 is a GPS-based approach, and they may not have been certified t
146 JM079 : Also we must note too that there is a main road that runs along the beach that takes you to the town of Port Royal. How grateful we are that there wa
147 Post contains links Speedbird2263 : The Associated Press has footage of the accident site uploaded on youtube. AA331 Overrun at KIN
148 Post contains images MD11junkie : Copyright Times Online. Saludos,
149 Anshuk : If I'm not mistaken, is that the ENGINE lying next to the tail of the plane? Horrible.. Glad everybody is alive though. That is what matters the most
150 Mpsrent : Good to see that everyone got out. The damage illustrated in the video is extensive.
151 Tonytifao : Where is the photo taken from? From the beach or from the runway?
152 Speedbird2263 : Yep thats the right engine. That photo was taken from the roadway just below and to the left of the runway. The aircraft is sitting atop the sand dun
153 Jetfuel : Ok it's one of the world's largest airlines. It crashed. Nobody was killed. Yet this accident is making world news around the globe. I am just a littl
154 Okie : Nothing that is going to put the aircraft's ability out of limits with runway available. Short of a mechanical issue, looks like someone up front was
155 Gdg9 : Have we confirmed this is N977AN?
156 DFWEagle : Yes it’s definitely ship #3DK (N977AN) that was involved in the crash.
157 777STL : Is this really getting that much press on your side of the globe? Here in the US, we hear about accidents all over the world, be it in Spain, Indones
158 Contrails : The plane broke into 3 pieces and nobody was killed? If this isn't a Christmas miracle I don't know what is.
159 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : Thanks the lord there was no fire. I would say applause are due for getting that bird down even in condition it is in. Sounds as though it may have be
160 Post contains links Jetfuel : Headlines in Downunder press include "Passengers survive horror crash landing " http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...nding/story-e6frfku0-1225813294
161 EZEIZA : Accidents without fatalities? Sorry but had it been an accident of another airline with no deaths it would not get the same press. The fact that it's
162 Tommy767 : This really is a christmas miracle. Congrats to the pilots who got the 738 down... Was it really rough weather at KIN during the landing, such as a th
163 RFields5421 : Based on where the engine is located and the embankment by the road - it is safe to say the gear collapse and engine being torn off occured when the
164 RFields5421 : No - it is creating news because there is not much else urgently significant of a disaster type story going on in the world today other than the volc
165 JBirdAV8r : If the plane traveled up over that berm, it looks like that's what caused most (if not pretty much all) of the damage. That would help explain the lac
166 Viscount724 : I disagree. Several recent QF incidents, none of which involved fatalities, also got extensive coverage a long way from Australia, and in a most case
167 Speedbird2263 : I don't know the exact numbers but I use to hang out at that spot every sunday for plane spotting and a "quiet retreat". Its about 15 feet from runwa
168 RFields5421 : 15 feet - yeah that would break an engine off, break the gear, crack the fuselage.
169 Post contains links and images Speedbird2263 : This is another pic of RWY 12 from the approach end to show how little space there is in the event of an overrun. RWY 30 has even less if any space wh
170 Mirrodie : Wow. Talk about irony. In past threads, people have asked if they clap after landing and why? This has got to be a first: Landing, then clapping, the
171 Spacecadet : What specific accidents are you thinking of involving large commercial airliners carrying more than 100 passengers that weren't adequately covered by
172 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : It's not that unusual. I can think of several accidents where aircraft have broken up with no fatalities. One example below, SAS MD-81 that crashed s
173 Swmdal : In 45 years of flying as a passenger, I've never heard anyone clap after a landing. Maybe I've never had a good landing?
174 777DAD : How terrible.Especially at Christmas time. Our thoughts and Prayers to all involved.[Edited 2009-12-23 07:18:02]
175 Moman : Very common in the Caribbean/Latin America.
176 Yellowtail : You must not fly often....I fly 12-20 times a year and hear it about 25% of the time....maybe it is a situation where it is more common on routes (le
177 Post contains links Richierich : The Jamaican Observer has a picture of the nose section - WOW. Honestly this looks like it could have easily been fatal for the flight crew and anybod
178 Tonytifao : Was there any fire involved?
179 Revelation : It must be fun to depart over the carcass of the wrecked 737-800. They could have more of an overrun area if they made less runway, but I doubt many
180 RFields5421 : No reports of fire and none of the pics indicate any fire damage.
181 DanVS : I agree, just see how many posts there are about the last accident (with more than 100 fatalities) in MRU. Also common in flights to/from Mediterrane
182 JAL : Just glad no one was seriously hurt!
183 AAR90 : Yes and yes. We have GPS --it is our primary navigation platform-- and are certified for GPS approaches.
184 DiscoverCSG : A good landing, as they say, is one you can walk away from. A great landing is one after which you can use the plane again. By those definitions, thi
185 AAJFKSJUBKLYN : Amen to that! And I will say it again, no fire was a god send. Those passengers and crew will certinaly have something very special to celebrate this
186 EZEIZA : It's true that it is a slow news period, but believe me had this accident happened in Africa and the company involved was any African one, it would h
187 Chumley : Jamaicaobserver.com lists top story as "Jamaican Skier Qualifies for Winter Olympics" Story #2 is "Plane crashes..." I guess we can thank the lack of
188 Revelation : Nor Argentina either.
189 Post contains links Markalot : http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/C...cvr-091223-jamaica-8a.grid-6x2.jpg from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ Ouch! A lot to be thankful for.
190 Post contains links RL757PVD : Some new pics found here: http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Plane-...1/6c7ae8c6b4214572920a04fe9771a650 Interesting almost 1 year to the day since CO's 73
191 Viscount724 : It also depends a great deal on the nationality of the passengers. If a crash in Africa includes a large number of passengers from the US or from a c
192 Yellowtail : " target=_blank>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ That beach needs a good cleaning!
193 Okie : With respect as well, I do not know the circumstances here but if you are behind the aircraft on approach then it is better to go around. I also agre
194 Post contains links ETStar : Clearer pics on CNN: http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-373415
195 RL757PVD : After looking at the aerial photos I can assure you that the runway safety area isnt even remotely close to meeting the US standards. It looks pretty
196 Tonytifao : It must have been so scary for passengers sitting on where the fuselage broke apart. So happy everyone made it out alive.
197 Micstatic : Good point. I wonder if this airport will likely be a candidate for EMAS?
198 MedAv : So do you guys think this ac is totaled? Kidding kidding; seriously though, the fact that there were no critical injuries when the AC sustained such h
199 IlliniCMI : Very lucky more people weren't seriously hurt or killed after seeing those pics. Good strong plane I suppose. Yeah, that's what I was just gonna say!
200 Post contains links Canoecarrier : I don't know about that. SIT comes to mind as a US airport with a similar lack of an overrun area, so does Dutch Harbor. http://www.airliners.net/pho
201 Gonzalo : The outcome of this accident was very fortunate looking to all the pictures. My full thumbs up to the AA crew for the evacuation of the passengers. Ha
202 UALWN : Down they brought it indeed. Whether they deserve congrats or otherwise I think it's too soon to tell. They, and the rest of the crew, do deserve to
203 C767P : I would hold off on congratulating the pilots on getting the aircraft down, as we don’t know exactly what the cause of the crash was. It is very po
204 LimaNiner : After all the investigations are done, what's likely going to happen to the wreckage? It doesn't look like there's much salvageable -- seats, perhaps?
205 Post contains images DeltaAVL : A new one from MSNBC: Does anyone have that picture of the CA helping a passenger? edit: found picture. See post below.[Edited 2009-12-23 10:28:17]
206 Yellowtail : Yet, they had enough room to not end up in the water. That is not likely at LGA. If the runway wasn't up to some international standard, I can assure
207 Post contains images DeltaAVL : Here's that pic. Anyone know if this was the CA of AA331? edit: better quality photo.[Edited 2009-12-23 10:57:16]
208 Spacecadet : Candidate for EMAS? No offense, but why should it? Does every incident of any kind involving injuries anywhere in the world get covered in ever newsp
209 Nitepilot79 : Every clapping landing I have ever experienced has had IMHO; way premature clapping. Most cases they've started before the nose gear is even down! I'
210 BA84 : Clapping is standard procedure in Russia. Aeroflot in Soviet days! Russians still do it. BA84
211 Post contains links HangarRat : HA! Informed speculation, perhaps. By the looks of the photos on the Miami Herald Web site, they're lucky to be alive. Looks like the cockpit came cl
212 Legacytravel : To me it looks like the aircraft was intact until exiting the airport and hitting the berm. I am glad no one was hurt. Glad to be back on A Net after
213 Swmdal : Any word on the condition of the pilots or cabin crew?
214 PagoFlyer : They also clap in the South Pacific.
215 September11 : I wonder the same thing ...
216 Usair320 : Thank god everyone is safe. It's quite disheartening to see an almost new 738 broken in three like that.
217 RL757PVD : I believe that will have to arrive and depart in the same direction (land 12, depart 30) and may have to calculate less usable runway because of the
218 Richierich : In fairness, a 2001 build aircraft is not 'almost new'... its certainly not old but I think the new plane smell wore off a few thousand cycles ago! N
219 Yellowtail : The lady in the wheelchair has a VS blanket...wonder where she got that from?
220 Jmy007 : I am also curious, in that photo she has what apears to be her back pack. I always thought in the event of an evacuation of a plane, you are not to c
221 Trintocan : Well, what can I say, we have had a lucky escape here! Let us all be thankful that everybody aboard this AA 737-823 survived. Injured maybe, shaken ce
222 Usair320 : [quote=Richierich,reply=218]In fairness, a 2001 build aircraft is not 'almost new'... its certainly not old but I think the new plane smell wore off a
223 CodyKDiamond : Good afternoon everyone, I am so happy to hear that all 154 occupants are safe and well. Unfortunately, by the way N977AN looks in the photos, I do no
224 JFKMan : Those pictures are amazing! What a crash...Thank God no one died.
225 Fsnuffer : In reading the news accounts, it appears a lot of passengers were injured due to carryon luggage flying around the cabin. With the majority of airline
226 Jetjeanes : I seems rathar obvious since the engine and gear are with the plane they were detached when it crossed the highway and hit the bunker. I seriously dou
227 Pilotaydin : probably because the EVAC checklist requires speedbrake lever to be down on the 737
228 Acey : I think they clapped on AF 358... but she ended up in a massive inferno. I meant in regards to accurate links being posted and assessed for the accura
229 MAH4546 : There is no checked baggage fee for flights to Kingston on American Airlines. But I do otherwise agree the amount of cabin baggage is getting out of
230 CodyKDiamond : Pilotaydin, Thank you so much for your input. I understood that they were to be retracted prior to an evacuation, however, with the fuselage being th
231 Pilotaydin : Hey there, no worries, I enjoy these forums, it also keeps me fresh on my research and reading, and being part of the aviation community, no matter w
232 CodyKDiamond : Pilotaydin, I 100% agree with what you are saying. This forum is an excellent place to begin thinking about ideas, as a launch point. Happy Holidays
233 Post contains images RichM : The engine did what it was designed to do in this situation. They will usually break off upon an impact such as this one. I believe that this helps m
234 Post contains links FuturePilot16 : The Airports Authority of Jamaica is denying allegations that their reaction was slow after the incident. http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/lates...owly-
235 ER757 : Oh great - now some executive at DL or UA or US is going to read this and decide to charge for BOTH checked and carry-on bags Glad no one was killed
236 Post contains images KGAIflyer : Here is one from USA Today showing in daylight how close the plane came to the sea.
237 Post contains links Allegro : First, thank god everyone is safe. Hope the injured recover quickly. A Jamaican beach sounds like a nice place to heal. Second, thanks to all our Jama
238 Pilotaydin : amen, but 2010 is not here yet...still lots of time for unsafe things to happen ((
239 B707forever : OK, so back to the incident at hand... AA is now reporting 7 are in the hospital, not the two originally reported. Between broken bones and 7 in the h
240 JBirdAV8r : Correct. Most importantly, the engine will shear off without compromising fuel tank integrity. That the airplane didn't catch fire is a tribute to it
241 Post contains links JM079 : The NTSB has despatch a team to Jamaica to aid in the investigation. Report from KIN has this story. http://www.radiojamaica.com/content/view/23841/26
242 Okie : I saw some pictures elsewhere that were towards the cockpit area and it appears at least at this time anyway that the Captains HUD is in position for
243 Pink77W : I say good job to folks all the time, but not when they land a small airliner on a 8000ft plus runway and go off the end.
244 Acey : The flight crew may very well have done a good job, without knowing the circumstances of this accident that statement is premature.
245 Theredbaron : I agree 100%, if people congratule you for doing what you are supposed to do GREAT, if not, its OK its what is expected from you. Unfortunately this
246 Captaink : 1. It is way too early in the game to conclude that it was pilots error. 2. A good job as a pilot is not attributed only to an uneventful flight. A g
247 Post contains links Reggaebird : How close did that plane come to going into the sea after leaving Rwy 12? Pause the following video at 58 or 59 seconds. Locate the roundabout and the
248 Comorin : Can we all let go of the "good job" diversion and get back on course, please? I have a question: pax reported smell of fuel around the wreckage - did
249 Speedbird2263 : I completely forgot about those! That pic actually shows just how close the aircraft came to being even more severely damaged due to the concrete col
250 Pellegrine : Jet A (kerosene family) is certainly not as flammable or volatile as gasoline, and neither just spontaneously ignites at atmospheric temperatures.
251 ZKNBS : Not entirely true. The new exit doors on the 737NG were a result of pushback from the JAA regarding the distance between exits on the 737-800 and 900
252 Flyingfox27 : Wow, its very lucky they all got out ok, i have noticed with a few of these accidents that the aircraft thankfuly dont blow up, like the BA 777, Brita
253 FlyMIA : I was on AA 331 On Wednesday December 16th any chance I was on this airplane? Any way to find out?
254 Kaitak : I read the comments, particularly JBirdAV8R's above, about the engine shearing off. (Sorry, for some reason, i don't seem to be able to use "quote tex
255 Post contains links Kaitak : Some interesting accident photos in the Miami Herald: http://www.miamiherald.com/924/gallery/1396208.html One thing hat surprises me is that when the
256 Tdscanuck : A considerable amount of research and engineering goes into making sure that doesn't happen. Obviously, it still sometimes does, but it's a design fa
257 MGASJO : That day the flight was operated by aircraft 3CJ, N954AN.
258 Post contains links HummingBird : Just to clarify, the aircraft lost it's engines and wheels when it went over the ditch... Look at 1:54-1:58... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ClL0gW3
259 747fan : From what I've heard the entire flight was a bumpy one; the cabin crew reportedly weren't able to perform cabin service.
260 Post contains links and images September11 : Here is an airport overview of KIN View Large View MediumPhoto © Gary Chambers Umm
261 757drvr : Unless Southwest started service to KIN, I would say that is definitely an AA uniform. I'm not saying that is the Captain on that flight, but I'm pre
262 Cbphoto : It absolutely is an American Airlines Captain, the wings on the uniform are a dead give away. However, I am not saying that he was the captain that o
263 OB1504 : I remember when CO 128 diverted to MIA after an encounter with severe turbulence, the area around the gate was cordoned off and the crew constantly h
264 AM744 : At the very least, FA's for safely evacuating passengers. As a matter of fact, planes are designed to break at certain points to absorb shock impact.
265 Inbound : As a 737-800 pilot who goes into KIN regularly, I can tell you a few details... The usable runway distance beyond glideslope is below 8000'. IIRC, it'
266 Captaink : It is common on long flights or a flight that had its bumps along the way.. I dont hear it too often anymore, but years ago it was lot more common on
267 Post contains links BOACCunard : I don't think this has been mentioned yet: AMR Jet Had to Use Jamaica Runway Lacking Some Approach Lights By Mary Jane Credeur and John Hughes Dec. 24
268 Markhkg : I would also add that this aircraft was probably equipped with 16G seating to meet the FAA "16G survival rule", which probably significantly assisted
269 Inbound : Not at all. However, unlike AA331, our flights arrive midday. 99% of the time, we do visual approaches. Apart from the midday thermals, the approach
270 Spacecadet : Probably not very fast at all. Even at 10 knots, with the mass of an airplane being brought to a sudden stop like it looks like it was, you've got tr
271 RFields5421 : It is a 15 foot drop from the runway to the road, then an approx 5-6 foot high embankment from the road to the top of the dune where the plane stoppe
272 Navigator : Pretty common all over the world at both scheduled and charters. Has nothing to do with the quality of the landing it seems, just seems some people a
273 Cubastar : Dow Jones is reporting the Dallas Morning News has an article in today's edition that the aircraft touched down approx. half way down the 8900 ft. run
274 Speedbird2263 : I had a friend that was working at gate 6 at the time of the accident, which is one of the two furthest gates from the terminal that are closest to t
275 Post contains links and images HummingBird : These are the official statements from the JCAA.. * Aircraft was flying on IFR flight plan.. *ATIS designated runway 12 for arrival.. *Crew contacted
276 Post contains images Gothamspotter : Here are some new closeup photos of the 737's wreckage inside the hangar she was moved into. For those who wondered if she could possibly be repaired
277 Speedbird2263 : Wow! Amazing details there. So all the unconfirmed 'eye-witness' reports are true. I wonder what becomes of the flight crew here on out as the facts
278 HummingBird : Good question..I assume their flying career is done.. I am surprised there were no reports of the co-pilot's input during the approach... Also, the a
279 RFields5421 : Readouts from the FDR are pretty easy to certify/ verify as correct. The CVR almost always takes longer to certify the transcript. Everything listed
280 Speedbird2263 : I thought the same thing. That could only mean that the aircraft absorbed an incredible amount of energy in the relatively short space from runway de
281 Post contains links Caribbean484 : This is an animation of the flight landing in Jamaica. http://go-jamaica.com/news/reenactment-updated.html The pilot is to be blamed, says aviation ex
282 Post contains links AAR90 : I would never describe Michael Slack as an aviation "expert." He is an aviation attorney, not an "expert." "Recklessness" is a legal term that makes
283 JBirdAV8r : LOL. Expert in filing aviation lawsuits maybe. Aviation expert, not hardly.
284 Comorin : Can a 17-knot tailwind float a plane 3000 ft away from intended touchdown? Also, what is the training protocol for hitting TOGA here - should they hav
285 AAR90 : "Can" = anything is possible. A "float" is caused more by flare technique than anything though. Rotate too quickly or too much will cause the plane t
286 Bennett123 : Given that the SOP is so clearcut, is there any suggestion as to why he did not go around?
287 RFields5421 : He didn't know how far down the runway he was. It was dark, rainy and apparently he could not see the entire length of the runway. Didn't someone say
288 HummingBird : Interesting... What purposes did the localizer and the HUD serve in this scenario? Am still puzzled as to why de decided to continue the approach wit
289 Mir : It shouldn't. Groundspeed has little to do with a stabilized approach, since it doesn't affect how the airplane flies. You could still fly a normal g
290 AAR90 : Just a guess, but localizer... probably nothing; HUD... if it was set up correctly provides runway remaining distance which could have contributed to
291 Mir : That would seem like an incredibly bad design. Since GPS data is available, why not just make it start counting from the actual threshold of the runw
292 Speedbird2263 : I was just thinking the same. Counting down on touchdown seems to be rather misleading as that would assume the aircraft always has a touchdown at th
293 RFields5421 : Because The approach to Rwy 30 is primarily a visual one. The flight would have a high probability of being unable to complete a Rwy 30 approach succ
294 Comorin : Thank you Sir for answering my questions! Subsequent posts imply that the pilot may not have been aware of his elapsed position on the runway. That i
295 RFields5421 : Not ILS - GPS The plane did know where it was, otherwise the FDR readout would not be so accurate as to the aircraft position, ground speed or speed
296 Post contains links HummingBird : Thanks for the explanation.. Thanks.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0viveSDSaA I was looking at HUD approaches on youtube..Does all HUD have the sa
297 AAR90 : There are different HUD systems on the market. In fact, the new delivery AA 738s have the HGS4000 system while the original delivery planes (this was
298 AAR90 : Yes. Took a few years to get FAA approval for us to fly GPS approaches, but the plane was GPS primary navigation upon initial delivery. The ILS12 app
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