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FL And PDX?  
User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

I was looking at FL's route map, and one of the biggest missing markets not serviced it seems is Portland OR PDX. Oregon is also supposed to be a nice state for tourism. AirTran is also now taking on some airports as the dominant airline, so the idea that it'd duplicate DL isn't always the case. Any idea why that market was passed?

[Edited 2009-12-24 19:27:41 by flytravel]

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User currently offlineAtlwest1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1046 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

I think they probably went after the easy targets first to get an understanding of the west coast and how it fits into there ops I.E SFO SEA LAX. Honestly I see PDX coming in to the system sooner then we think. There is enough slack in aircraft utilization for it. Might be a good route to pull into BWI or MKE versus Atlanta. Also SAC and OAK or even SJC would be good candidates for new west coast cities and or ventures.


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User currently offlineMKENut From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 699 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2386 times:

I'm hoping Midwest will start MKE - PDX since Frontier already has a station there. The startup cost would be minimal and I believe there is enough daily pax from MKE to fill an E190. I can't find the latest DOT report, but I believe I saw about 90 people per day fly to PDX from MKE via connections on other airlines, like Delta. It is only a matter of time for FL to open a PDX station.

User currently offlineBlatantEcho From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

The Portland economy has been just killed over the last few years. I hope in 2011 or so if things are recovering then that we'll see some new routes like this.

Not holding my breath for a new airline to announce new service with 20% unemployment and a ~10% drop in pax numbers.

Hopefully we come back stronger than ever and we'll be welcoming FL then!



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13553 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2169 times:
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I don't see AS allowing FL to get a toehold in the PDX market, particularly with the DL partnership.


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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 977 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

FL just went year round with SEA service this year I believe. SEA used to be a recurring seasonal station for quite a few years. When FL started MKE-SEA, the route became year round shortly after, but only to MKE. I would imagine the PDX market, if anything, will run seasonal for quite some time like SEA did.

Then there's the whole shabang with SAN. One year it's seasonal and the next year it's not.  crazy 



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User currently offlineRidgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2070 times:



Quoting Flytravel (Thread starter):
was looking at FL's route map, and one of the biggest missing markets not serviced it seems is Portland OR PDX. Oregon

they are missing many cities with a much better business traveler climate than PDX----- namely SLC, SMF, SJC, OAK, SNA,YVR, AUS, OKC, TUL


User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2002 times:



Quoting Flytravel (Thread starter):
regon is also supposed to be a nice state for tourism.

There are a ton of better yielding leisure markets to choose from ahead of PDX. And as others have said, the business markets has yet to recover in Oregon. PDX has never gotten a ton of service east of the Mississippi, so I doubt you'll see FL there any time soon.


User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1981 times:



Quoting MKENut (Reply 2):
I can't find the latest DOT report, but I believe I saw about 90 people per day fly to PDX from MKE via connections on other airlines, like Delta. It is only a matter of time for FL to open a PDX station.

Where can I find that DOT report with that information? Would be a interesting report to look at?



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1912 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 5):
FL just went year round with SEA service this year I believe. SEA used to be a recurring seasonal station for quite a few years. When FL started MKE-SEA, the route became year round shortly after, but only to MKE. I would imagine the PDX market, if anything, will run seasonal for quite some time like SEA did.

Beat me to the punch... totally agree, they need to get better establish SEA and SAN as year round routes first. Maybe PDX for seasonal, but that is a big if.

Also, the lone SEA flight in winter has some very bad times. Late evening arrival in SEA.



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User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

Don't expect any new service to PDX for a while. The operating cost to use PDX is one the highest in the country. The Port charges $149.00 a square foot for ramp level office space. We (United) are giving the Port back tons of office space early next year. We will be moving our maintenance stores and other functions down to our cargo, and maintenance buildings for 1/16th of the cost.

The State of Oregon isn't a company friendly State to do business in. The Port of Portland is even worst. The Port has to pay for their new parking garage and office building , that wasn't needed. So they jacked up terminal rent and other BS things.


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2455 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1770 times:
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Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 10):
The State of Oregon isn't a company friendly State to do business in. The Port of Portland is even worst. The Port has to pay for their new parking garage and office building , that wasn't needed. So they jacked up terminal rent and other BS things.

Are they anywhere near done with that yet? Seems to be taking a looong time, did they slow it down when econ went to crap? And I agree, very unnecessary.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5411 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1599 times:



Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 5):
Then there's the whole shabang with SAN. One year it's seasonal and the next year it's not.



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 9):
Beat me to the punch... totally agree, they need to get better establish SEA and SAN as year round routes first. Maybe PDX for seasonal, but that is a big if.

 checkmark  I'll second these comments! (I was going to post on this thread yesterday but I didn't want to be accused of trying to hijack the thread into a SAN-discussion. But now that someone else has brought it up...)

Many of us in San Diego remain surprised, baffled, and bothered by the fact that FL doesn't seem capable of successfully running even one flight to ATL (or anywhere else for that matter) on a year-'round basis! Until such time as they figure out how they can somehow manage permanent -- non-seasonal -- service at SAN, I would not hold out much hope for a smaller and much more truly seasonal destination such as Portland. I may be wrong but I would expect that a large, domestic U.S. carrier like FL would not encourage an increase in the number of their seasonal markets.

I also agree with those who've posted that right now does not seem like a good time, given Portland's (and Oregon's) economic situation, for new airline service. Just my opinion.

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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 3):

That's interesting. I'd think that by taking actions towards increasing tourism, it should help towards improving the economy! Portland is also not that small of a market as some are suggesting, so it has a base to pull from locally. Portland is known for its green aspects. I'd think it has untapped tourism potential, probably after the Bay Area or Colorado. Probably for the traveler who has already been through California, Utah and Colorado and looking for something new, atleast right now. I know AirTran is bigger on the East Coast, so I'm thinking of AirTran serving the East Coast person who'd like to sight-see, hike, etc. on the west coast, or the person from the West coast that needs to get to the east coast. From that aspect, I could see that FL also misses SLC for Utah.

[Edited 2009-12-27 07:05:25 by flytravel]

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