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American Equipment Upgrades To HNL Recently  
User currently offlineAq737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6486 times:

I've been checking AA flights to HNL recently and have seen several substitutions over the past week or so.

AA297 to HNL/AA298 from HNL was a 762 on 12/19.
AA283 to HNL/AA284 from HNL was a 762 on 12/24 and ops as a 763 on 12/25 and 12/26.
There were several other substitutions to 763 and 762 the week before (I recall 12/16's AA297/298 operating as a 763 on 12/16).

The loads I could see on AA.com don't require a larger capacity plane - is this for cargo reasons? Also, I noted that the "check available seats" features shows the plane sold with both F and C as first class - is this how AA operates the plane? If so, doesn't this reduce capacity relative to the scheduled 757 (unless they hand out a boatload of free upgrades). I'm assuming the 762 is a substitute for a mechanical 757 that may be operable but not to ETOPS standard or a delayed inbound 757 as AA31, the 8:30am flight that originates in LAX rarely sees a substitute.

These equipment upgrades are surely valued by regular AA flyers who hate the 4x 757 schedule currently in place to HNL.

AA used to operate the daily 763 LAX-HNL rotation on AA283/284 - might we be seeing that come back online?

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Aq737

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6418 times:



Quoting Aq737 (Thread starter):
, I noted that the "check available seats" features shows the plane sold with both F and C as first class - is this how AA operates the plane?

When a 762 is subbed on a non-JFK-LAX/SFO flight it is sold as two classes I believe, just like some of the domestic 777 routes.

Quoting Aq737 (Thread starter):
The loads I could see on AA.com don't require a larger capacity plane - is this for cargo reasons?

You may be on to something. The winds have been bad out there lately (see the CLT-HNL thread) so they may have subbed the 767s so they didn't have to leave any pax or cargo behind. Unfortunately, I have no way of knowing for sure.



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User currently offlineMadDogJT8D From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 397 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6302 times:

I was under the impression that AA's 762ER's were no longer maintained as ETOPS birds since they were relegated to transcon and JFK-MIA/BDA and taken off of European service a few years ago. I didn't think they were allowed to operate the HNL ETOPS missions, is my understanding incorrect? Are we sure they were 762's and not 763's that were subbed?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24891 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6243 times:

762s are still ETOPS and do show up in Hawaii markets on occasion.

Some other recent 762 Hawaii subs include;
LAX-HNL-LAX 19Dec
LAX-HNL-LAX 14Dec
LAX-OGG-LAX 11Dec
LAX-KOA-LAX 05Dec
LAX-OGG-LAX 05Nov
LAX-LIH-LAX 30Oct
LAX-KOA-LAX 29Oct
LAX-KOA-LAX 24Oct
LAX-OGG-LAX 21Oct

Most of the LAX subs are maintenance related. AA has a spare 762 or two in LA most of the time that can help cover the Hawaii 757 subfleet that go out of service.
But other routes can get the 762 sub also, include for example a LAX-DFW-LAX just yesterday.



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User currently offlineAq737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6091 times:

Where does the 763 come from?
I saw that MIA is down to 1x 763, ORD at 1x 763, DFW at 1x 763, and 1x BOS 763. Where does the plane that operated the flight to HNL today come? All the other flights operated as normal.

I know the 762 to Hawaii operates as 2-class but is it 10F or 40F.

Aq737


User currently offlineCMB320 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 413 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5946 times:

Most of the time if you see a 767 subbing for a 757 out of LAX to any Hawaii destination, it is because of our piece of junk 757s breaking down and we are using a spare 76.

User currently offlineJdairceo From Uruguay, joined Jan 2006, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5915 times:



Quoting Aq737 (Thread starter):
Also, I noted that the "check available seats" features shows the plane sold with both F and C as first class - is this how AA operates the plane? If so, doesn't this reduce capacity relative to the scheduled 757 (unless they hand out a boatload of free upgrades).

It is usually operated as two cabins with F & C functioning as F class when it does domestic subs. They usually try to put paying F px in the F seats and upgs into the C cabin. A 757 has 22 F and 762 has 39 F/C seats so typically catering becomes an issue.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4946 times:



Quoting Jdairceo (Reply 6):
It is usually operated as two cabins with F & C functioning as F class when it does domestic subs. They usually try to put paying F px in the F seats and upgs into the C cabin. A 757 has 22 F and 762 has 39 F/C seats so typically catering becomes an issue.

That's got to be an awkward situation although I'd assume that in most cases, the number of upgrades far outnumber the fare-paying F class pax. Has anyone dealt with having to put a F class fare-paying pax in C class? If so, how was this rectified?

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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4765 times:

off topic..but, when were the 762s taken out of european service?

[Edited 2009-12-26 09:14:25]


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User currently offlineLaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4291 times:

I just looked up AA 297 on flightview.com and it said that the e/q was a Boeing 757. It says that AA 283 is being served on a Boeing 757-200. It says that AA 298 is on a Boeing 757, and it says the e/q for AA 284 is a Boeing 757.

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24891 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4219 times:

AA253/254 LAX-OGG-LAX is a 762 today.


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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4135 times:



Quoting Laxboeingman (Reply 9):
I just looked up AA 297 on flightview.com and it said that the e/q was a Boeing 757. It says that AA 283 is being served on a Boeing 757-200. It says that AA 298 is on a Boeing 757, and it says the e/q for AA 284 is a Boeing 757.

297 and 298 are generally equipted with the 757 and have on occasion had a substitute 767 on it. I would not call the 763 an up grade but the 762 is definitely an improvement.



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User currently offline_AA_777_MAN From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3788 times:



Quoting USAirALB (Reply 8):
off topic..but, when were the 762s taken out of european service?

I believe sometime near the end of 2001 was the end of 762 scheduled service from the US to Europe. I'm not posetive.


User currently offlineAq737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

I would say the 763 is definitely an upgrade over the 757s that typically fly the LAX-Hawaii routes due to the NGBC up front and a comfortable Y product. The 762s are the same in the back, better in the front of F and better than the 757 but not as good as the 763 in the C (sold as F) cabin.

It seems like the 762s are appearing on Hawaii routes more frequently. When the 763s substitute, where do these ships come from?

Aq737


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1690 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3741 times:

I find it interesting that AA is subbing the 762's rather than 763's to Hawaii because the 762's have less seats than the 752's in the first place. Anyone else find this interesting that this is happening to Hawaii of all places?


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User currently offlineLaxboeingman From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3662 times:



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 14):
Anyone else find this interesting that this is happening to Hawaii of all places?

Good point, but this time of year, especially today, I would assume that less people would be going to/from HNL. Could it also be a pilot problem, where they had a pilot that was only trained on the B767-200?

laxboeingman



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User currently offlineNWADC10LUVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Was hoping for the de mothballing of the DC-10's out of TUL for the ORD and DFW flights. I guess wishful thinking eh?
Love those days of AA 72/73 from ORD-HNL That bird did that flight with legs to spare. Love the reef landing in HNL.


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3636 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3405 times:
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IIRC, this time of year, we always see AA sub more 762 for the 757 from LAX. I would expect it is due to aircraft availability due to maintenance than anything else.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3388 times:



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 14):
I find it interesting that AA is subbing the 762's rather than 763's to Hawaii because the 762's have less seats than the 752's in the first place. Anyone else find this interesting that this is happening to Hawaii of all places?

763s from where? LAX sees plenty of 762s going to JFK all day, and 762s are used domestically.

The 763s are busy going to Latin America, and to LAX are only used from MIA/DFW/ORD.

752s are also closer to the 763s in terms of passenger capacity. It's only 7 less seats which AA likely has no problem finding space for on another airline or another, later departure if the flight is sold out.

Makes perfect sense subs are 762s.



a.
User currently offlineAq737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

As for where the 763 comes from - any ideas?

Aq737


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24891 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3338 times:



Quoting Aq737 (Reply 19):
As for where the 763 comes from - any ideas?

What do you mean where do they come from?

The recent holiday LAX-HNL 763s were covered as LA had spares due to reduced holiday schedule.
The regular LAX 763 schedule is 2x DFW, 1xMIA, 1xBOS, 1xORD, but on the 25th for instance there only was only 4 departures.



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User currently offlineAq737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

There must be some sort of 763 back-up rotation of aircraft in LAX since the 763 frequently subs for the 757s even outside of the holiday period. Is the case that whenever the 763 subs onto the Hawaii routes, the 757 subs onto the former 763 route (in many cases the 757 arrives from Florida or DFW and is capable of flying but just not ETOPS)? Or perhaps is AA able to do this by constantly replacing the 763 used to Hawaii?

LAX 763 schedule:

1. Departures:
2412 DFW 0650
222 BOS 0725
280 MIA 0915
1372 ORD 0945
2448 DFW 1350

2. Arrivals:
2421 DFW 1258
455 ORD 1730
277 MIA 1840
2448 DFW 1845
145 BOS 2050
231 MIA 2055

* Where does the second daily 763 from MIA go to?

It looks the majority of 763s RON at LAX - does this mean AA sends them to Hawaii and gets them back to LAX in time for morning departures (AA298 arrives into LAX around 5am.)

Aq737


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3138 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Reply 20):
The regular LAX 763 schedule is 2x DFW, 1xMIA, 1xBOS, 1xORD, but on the 25th for instance there only was only 4 departures.

2x from MIA/1x to MIA. I have no idea where the "extra" 763 goes.



a.
User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1690 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3105 times:

Well I don't know if this may offer any insight into the situation, but AA used to (maybe still) operated DFW-MIA as a 763, but no return. Operated SFO-DFW with 2x 763, but DFW-SFO didn't have 2x. Because the plane went DFW-MIA-SFO-DFW. Is that any help at all?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32624 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 23):
Well I don't know if this may offer any insight into the situation, but AA used to (maybe still) operated DFW-MIA as a 763, but no return. Operated SFO-DFW with 2x 763, but DFW-SFO didn't have 2x. Because the plane went DFW-MIA-SFO-DFW. Is that any help at all?

AA still has a 763 on DFW-MIA only. That evens out the departures/arrivals for MIA, but still doesn't explain where the plane goes, because AA has five 763 departures and six 763 arrivals from LAX. BOS-LAX-BOS loses its 763 next month.

[Edited 2009-12-27 19:31:41]


a.
25 DFWEagle : AA has 2x daily LAX-DFW flights, but only 1x daily DFW-LAX. The opposite is true for MIA, with 2x MIA-LAX, but only 1x LAX-MIA. The usual 763 movemen
26 Mauiman31 : Coming back this spring/summer! We are booked on #72 this July. AA premium cabin seat branding is confusing, for someone booking the first time. The
27 Aq737 : Mauiman31, There is actually not much confusion. The 763 has 30 premium class seats, sold as F within the U.S. and sold as C internationally (and usua
28 DualQual : AA 757/767 pilots fly all the variants of the 757/767 at AA.
29 DFWEagle : I thought we have?? Take a closer look at what I posted and you will see that I did include both 2412 and 2448 in the departures list. Only one 763 a
30 Aq737 : Thanks, DFW Eagle. All makes sense now. When the 762 operates for 757, does that mean a lot of op-ups? And is catering usually to adjust to the extra
31 JDAirCEO : It typically means there are lots of people who gets upgs. These flights have lots of elite passengers and nonrevs who want F, if not, upgs would the
32 Mauiman31 : Yes, you're correct. Not that confusing, but we had an example of a friend who rarely uses AA and was wanting to book an international trip in F for
33 Aq737 : Who gets the 22F catered meals then? How do the FAs decide this? Aq737
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