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A Emirates Boeing Triple Seven At SFO  
User currently offlineAirsrpska From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 15942 times:

I am guessing that bird came from DXB,so, I didn't know that Boeing 777-300ER has that range, DXB-SFO?!
Any comments are welcome!

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Emirates/Boeing-777-36N/ER/1631038/M/

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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12565 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 15951 times:

I was thinking about that myself; they usually use 77Ls on the route; on paper, the 77W has the range for DXB-SFO; perhaps, given the time of year it is and the level of demand, they decided that the 77W was the best acft for the job.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 15917 times:

Search and you would find that the SFO route has been a 77W since October.
EK Aircraft Changes For SYD, SFO (by EmiratesUK Aug 7 2009 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineAirsrpska From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 15898 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 1):
they usually use 77Ls on the route; on paper, the 77W has the range for DXB-SFO;

Yeah, you are right about this, but I'd like to know why they sent 77W instead of 77L?


User currently offlineYYZALA From Canada, joined Nov 2009, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 15833 times:

Airsrpska, if you read the first post in the link provided by LAXintl you will find your answer  Smile

User currently onlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 15756 times:



Quoting Airsrpska (Reply 3):
Yeah, you are right about this, but I'd like to know why they sent 77W instead of 77L?

Probably due to higher pax and/or cargo figures I guess?



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User currently offlineEightball From Saudi Arabia, joined Oct 2007, 282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 15689 times:

Quoting Airsrpska (Reply 3):
Yeah, you are right about this, but I'd like to know why they sent 77W instead of 77L?

I flew on EK 226, SFO-DXB, this Wednesday, which was operated by a 77W. According to a flight attendant on the flight, as well as the passenger load that I saw in the plane, there wasn't a single empty seat in any class on the flight.

[Edited 2009-12-25 15:09:35]


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User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 15488 times:



Quoting Eightball (Reply 6):
I flew on EK 226, SFO-DXB, this Wednesday, which was operated by a 77W. According to a flight attendant on the flight, as well as the passenger load that I saw in the plane, there wasn't a single empty seat in any class on the flight.

Was on the same flight! The flight was extremely packed as the ground agents made announcements saying there was no space for hand luggage and were being a bit strict. The f/as were trying hard to accomodate many in cabin baggage.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 15271 times:



Quoting Airsrpska (Thread starter):
I didn't know that Boeing 777-300ER has that range, DXB-SFO?!

DXB-SFO is almost exactly the same distance as JFK-HKG where CX has been using the 77W for quite a while.

DXB-SFO 7041 nm
JFK-HKG 7014 nm


User currently offlineEightball From Saudi Arabia, joined Oct 2007, 282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 15226 times:

Quoting Fly2YYZ (Reply 7):
The flight was extremely packed as the ground agents made announcements saying there was no space for hand luggage and were being a bit strict. The f/as were trying hard to accomodate many in cabin baggage.

I was actually surprised that, by the time I boarded the plane, there was no space left in the overhead bins. It looks like a large amount of passengers on the flight preferred to take their bags as carry-on items instead of checking them in as luggage. Fortunately, my bags are small, so that must be why the gate agent let me take them into the cabin. I got to hand it to one friendly and helpful flight attendant who managed to find a place for me to put my bags.

Which class were you sitting in? I was in Y, and even though the food was fine and the ICE entertainment system was great, I'll try to fly in J on my next trip between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia. It's not only that a person has to sit for 16 hours in Y, it's also going through the process of waiting for a bathroom to be vacant when you're sharing the cabin with such a huge amount of passengers in a flight that lasts for more than half a day. The issue with the overhead bins becoming full was also something that gave me the impression of "welcome to economy class". Some people complain about EK's 10-abreast configuration in Y on their 777s, but for me the seat width wasn't a major issue: it's the seat pitch which was a bit tight for me. It was bearable, but certainly not as comfortable as the Y seats that I've sat in during long-haul 777 flights on SV and QR.

Remember when they reset the ICE entertainment system? I think that goes to show you that even the most advanced of IFE systems is bound to have an error from time to time.

[Edited 2009-12-25 17:39:22]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 15120 times:



Quoting Eightball (Reply 9):
Some people complain about EK's 10-abreast configuration in Y on their 777s, but for me the seat width wasn't a major issue: it's the seat pitch which was a bit tight for me. It was bearable, but certainly not as comfortable as the Y seats that I've sat in during long-haul 777 flights on SV and QR.

All 10-abreast 777s, of which EK has more than anyone else, are best avoided.


User currently offlineFly2YYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 15097 times:



Quoting Eightball (Reply 9):
I was actually surprised that, by the time I boarded the plane, there was no space left in the overhead bins.

Agreed! I was glad too... because when on the jetbridge there was an agent walking up it looking at bags, thank goodness I had a backpack and a small laptop bag but I was in economy class too and at the emergency exit row and so there's no overhead bin space really but was able to find space in the smaller bins used for blankets and what not. But glad that the F/A found you a space for your luggage. It was a really busy flight.

Quoting Eightball (Reply 9):
Remember when they reset the ICE entertainment system? I think that goes to show you that even the most advanced of IFE systems is bound to have an error from time to time.

So true and this was, if I remember correctly around first meal service. Heh... but took about 5 minutes for the system to boot up which was nice.

My only issue was where I was sitting aisle seat at the emergency row. So when I had the pull out screen from the armrest out... some passengers used it as a prop up when waiting in line to go to the lav or passing through. Oh that and one of the F/As spilled OJ on me when picking up after meal service.....grrrs!  Smile


User currently offlineEightball From Saudi Arabia, joined Oct 2007, 282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 15059 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
All 10-abreast 777s, of which EK has more than anyone else, are best avoided.

The only thing that made the seat width bearable for me on this EK flight was the fact that I could raise the armrest, which I raised in order to give me a bit more space; otherwise, it was going to be quite a tight seat for me in terms of width.

You know, the interesting thing is that the most comfortable Y seats that I've sat in so far were on the SV E170 flights that I've flown on. A small airliner, yet it has great seats.



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User currently offlineHaan From South Africa, joined Aug 2004, 289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14700 times:

Hi all

Here is the deal regarding the B777-300ER on the DXB-SFO-DXB route.

Due to high passenger demand, the B777-300ER was placed on the route.
Only 4 B777-300ER's are used , A6-ECL-O. These 4 aircraft have been certified
with 2T more Take off weigh than the other in the fleet.
Only 328 passengers are allowed to be booked on the flight for payload restrictions.


Rgds
Haan


User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 14575 times:



Quoting Fly2YYZ (Reply 11):
All 10-abreast 777s, of which EK has more than anyone else, are best avoided.

Aren't ALL of Emirates' 777s 10 abreast? Including the 77Ls?

Wasn't the intent (or at least the stated intent) of having the 10 abreast configuration that you lose a slight bit of width, which to most passengers is barely noticeable, but in return you get extra legroom, which is. if you're not going to get the extra leg room either, then what's the advantage of having 10 abreast (except that the airline can cram in more seats?)

On a tangential note, i am flying in 2 weeks JFK - DXB- KHI and was surprised to find out that both my flights are on the 77W. JFK of course, but why a 77W on the 2 hour flight to KHI?
If they need the capacity they could use the 777-300A, couldn't they?


User currently offlineEaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 14518 times:

Are Emirates likely to deploy the A380 to SFO. It has a very similar range to the B777-300ER.

User currently offlineNethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1090 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 14338 times:



Quoting Haan (Reply 13):

Only 4 B777-300ER's are used , A6-ECL-O. These 4 aircraft have been certified

with 2T more Take off weigh than the other in the fleet.
Only 328 passengers are allowed to be booked on the flight for payload restrictions.


Rgds
Haan

But how come the FLY2YYZ and Eightball noticed it was a full-house?

I am sure EK 77W could carry a lot more than 328 pax, even in 3 class cfg.

It's kinda scare me about weight problem on the flight.
Not only 328 pax, full of bag and cargo in the belly, everyone seems to have large carry on luggage on flights into America.

You don't pretty much hear the pharse "full of cabin luggage in the overhead compartment on 777s" outside America. I don't really understand why would they carry their "HOUSE" and everything they don't even need into the cabin. Those luggage are so heavy even the pax themselves cannot lift up to place in o/h compartment.

 Sad



Let's just blame it on yields.
User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 14239 times:



Quoting Nethkt (Reply 16):
I am sure EK 77W could carry a lot more than 328 pax, even in 3 class cfg.

354 on these aircraft I believe. DXB-MEL will get a 77W next year, this will likely be restricted aswell.

Quoting AT (Reply 14):
Aren't ALL of Emirates' 777s 10 abreast? Including the 77Ls?

Yes they are!

Quoting AT (Reply 14):
but why a 77W on the 2 hour flight to KHI?
If they need the capacity they could use the 777-300A, couldn't they?

Configuration, some if not all 773A are in a 3 class configuration now so KHI is quite likely a 2 class 77W. They will use an A380 to JED soon.


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2184 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 14143 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
All 10-abreast 777s, of which EK has more than anyone else, are best avoided.

In particular on such a long flight, SFO-DXB. Yuck.

Quoting AT (Reply 14):
Aren't ALL of Emirates' 777s 10 abreast? Including the 77Ls?

Wasn't the intent (or at least the stated intent) of having the 10 abreast configuration that you lose a slight bit of width, which to most passengers is barely noticeable, but in return you get extra legroom, which is. if you're not going to get the extra leg room either, then what's the advantage of having 10 abreast (except that the airline can cram in more seats?)


$$$ for the airline.

Quoting Nethkt (Reply 16):
I don't really understand why would they carry their "HOUSE" and everything they don't even need into the cabin. Those luggage are so heavy even the pax themselves cannot lift up to place in o/h compartment.

Many of these people carry consumption goods for their relatives, or resale, in their home country. Which, given the advantageous current exchange rate and low consumption prices in the US is fully understandable. They stuff it as carry-on as the checked luggage is already at maximum weight. Especially these days, now that DL-AF-KL for instance limits to one piece of checked luggage for most travelers.



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User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 13964 times:



Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 17):
Configuration, some if not all 773A are in a 3 class configuration now so KHI is quite likely a 2 class 77W. They will use an A380 to JED soon.

I'm pretty sure that some of the 777-300s are in a two class configuration (unless they recently changed that).

What is the current status/role of the 773s anyway and how many does EK have? They seem to show up randomly at odd destinations.


User currently offlineSeaBosDca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5768 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 13942 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 10):
All 10-abreast 777s, of which EK has more than anyone else, are best avoided.

Do you feel the same about 10-abreast 747s? There is less than 5mm difference in the seat width.

I feel that economy class in general is best avoided on these flights; unfortunately, my wallet doesn't agree. But I don't think a 10Y 777 is much worse than any other aircraft (except for something like a 9Y 777 or 10Y A380 that has exceptionally wide seats).

Quoting Haan (Reply 13):
Only 4 B777-300ER's are used , A6-ECL-O. These 4 aircraft have been certified with 2T more Take off weigh than the other in the fleet.

So not all of EK's 77Ws are 351.5 t? Given how hard they push their aircraft that would surprise me greatly.


User currently offlineKu747 From Kuwait, joined Mar 2008, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 13594 times:



Quoting Eightball (Reply 6):
I flew on EK 226, SFO-DXB, this Wednesday, which was operated by a 77W. According to a flight attendant on the flight, as well as the passenger load that I saw in the plane, there wasn't a single empty seat in any class on the flight.

That makes two of us, I Flew on on EK226 to SFO last Tuesday 22nd Dec and the flight was full in Economy 75% occupancy in Business and 3 seats out of eight were empty.
I'm really impressed with the load factor.

Well done EK.



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User currently offlineHaan From South Africa, joined Aug 2004, 289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 13485 times:



Quoting Nethkt (Reply 16):
But how come the FLY2YYZ and Eightball noticed it was a full-house?

Economy 308 pax and business 42pax is always full, First don't sell at all.

Quoting SeaBosDca (Reply 20):
So not all of EK's 77Ws are 351.5 t? Given how hard they push their aircraft that would surprise me greatly.

Only these 4 are 351.5T the rest are all 349.2T. They don't need these weights on the other
routes. Only JFK and the future MEL/GRU route needs these weights.

Also limited cargo is carried on the flights.
This flight can only accommodate about 42T of payload out of Dubai and 44T out of SFO.


User currently offlineHaan From South Africa, joined Aug 2004, 289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 13419 times:

Also remember I said only 328 pax are allowed to be booked.
u will always find additional passengers on standby. If the winds are
favorable for the day those standby passengers will also get away.


User currently offlineEightball From Saudi Arabia, joined Oct 2007, 282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 13390 times:



Quoting Haan (Reply 22):
Economy 308 pax and business 42pax is always full, First don't sell at all.

I guess that the flight attendant who told me that the flight was full was only talking about Y and J, then. I didn't take a look at F when I was boarding the plane, I just saw that Y and J were full.

Quoting Ku747 (Reply 21):
I Flew on on EK226 to SFO last Tuesday 22nd Dec

Were you flying to or from SFO? EK 226 flies from SFOSmile



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25 Emirates773 : All B773 aircraft have a 3 class layout now and I know that they still run the DXB-SIN-MEL amongst others
26 BasilFawlty : There are still 2-class 773's and 77W's according to EK's website and Seatguru.
27 KU747 : My mistake, it was EK 225 to SFO.
28 Cartoonranger : Which is not up to date. All 773's are 3-Class. There are still quite a few 77W's that are two class but some of these (A6-EBQ the latest) are being
29 BasilFawlty : Ah thanks for the update, I didn't know that. In three weeks I will fly LHR-DXB-LHR on the 77W and the A380 in Y class. It will be a nice opportunity
30 Viscount724 : You can't compare seat widths. The wider 747 cabin permits a larger gap between the seat cushions, wider armrests, and wider aisles. I have never not
31 UAEflyer : I flew on EK225 on 23 of October, it was a 77L not 77W !! It was indeed 85% full. Seems Emirates American routes are gold mine, competing with the Ka
32 Post contains links LAXintl : If you bother to read the thread, it has the October start date -- 26th EK Aircraft Changes For SYD, SFO (by EmiratesUK Aug 7 2009 in Civil Aviation)
33 S.p.a.s. : Hi Haan, Thanks for the very informative data about weights. We can assume then, that only these four planes, ECL~O, will be seen at GRU next year? Ch
34 Haan : Correct, hopefully more B777-300ER's will get a 2T increase on TOW to allow for MEL and JFK to be served by these aircraft.
35 Eightball : I would recommend that people avoid flying in Y on EK's 777s. It's not worth it.
36 EK345 : Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe that the weight restriction is only taken on Westbound flying because of the winds? EK345
37 Myt332 : Personally I'd recommend to avoid flying in Y full stop however needs must and the majority of people, including myself, do mostly take Y and always
38 Caliatenza : honestly its not as bad as u make it out to be. i flew DXB-LAX in economy and sat in the asile..seat was fine and im a tall guy (6 ft). I didnt have
39 Eightball : In retrospect, I think I was a bit too harsh in my opinion about EK, so I think I should rephrase what I said, in order to make myself clearer: EK of
40 Caliatenza : Emirates' J is somethin else . Even better is when u get to expierence it for free
41 Viscount724 : But on most routes, prices of all carriers are very competitive, so if you are aware of the product difference, you might as well choose the airline
42 AT : What i find interesting is that most of the flying public does not even seem to know, let alone care, that an extra seat has been shoed into each row.
43 RyanairGuru : AT, the main problem I can see with a mixed model (apart from a loss of revenue) is that you will alert the traveling public to the 10 abrest seating.
44 AABB777 : EY is converting their B777s to 10 abreast in Y.
45 RoseFlyer : My opinion is that 9 is definitely preferred. I've sat in a cabin mock up with 10 abreast and 9 abreast. You can hardly feel a difference if the seat
46 SQ_EK_freak : EY is going 10 abreast. Skyteam and Star Alliance loyalties aside, then the soft and hard products come to mind which between the two comes down to p
47 LondonCity : French carrier Air Austral may also have 10-across seating on its one-class B777s. According to its website, Air Austral's B777-200ER holds 364 pax w
48 Post contains links Viscount724 : Yes, 10-abreast in Y class, but Air Austral is not one-class. Their 773ERs are 3 class. Business class is 2-3-2, premium economy is 2-4-2 and economy
49 Post contains links LondonCity : Thanks for the correction. Actually Air Austral isn't well known in the UK hence my ignorance. But it does seem the 840-seater A380 will be operated
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