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Official Announcement For DL Fleet Enhancements?  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6649 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 23 hours ago) and read 12000 times:

I was wondering, does anyone know when will Delta be officially announcing their enhancements for their fleet? I know it has been stated on these forums before, however, I would like to know when will Delta make their official public announcement.

For those who didn't know, the plans are to install PTVs with AVOD on all aircraft except the MD-88s and DC-9-50s (and any aircraft that will be leaving the fleet, including the DC-9-30s, DC-9-40s, and possibly the 5500-series 757-200s), with domestic aircraft getting live satellite TV. With the majority of the domestic fleet having PTVs with AVOD and live satellite TV, hopefully DL can take some of the MD-88s and DC-9s away from longer routes (such as ATL-ABQ) and move them to some shorter routes. I know some (but not all) of the MD-88s are planned to be moved to MSP.

As far as flat-bed J seats go, the 764ERs that currently have the recliners will be the first to get the flat-bed (Thompson Vantage) mods, followed by the 763ERs with the main deck crew rests (76Ts). Eventually all international aircraft will get some form of flat-bed product in J. I'm guessing the A330s will get the Thompson Vantage, while the 744s will get the Contour Solar Suites.


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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 18 hours ago) and read 11717 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Eventually all international aircraft will get some form of flat-bed product in J.

I don't believe this has been seriously rumored for the 75Es. And you mean intercontinental - even RJs fly international flights.  Wink

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I'm guessing the A330s will get the Thompson Vantage, while the 744s will get the Contour Solar Suites.

This seems likely, and also that the 772ERs will get the Contour Solar seats.

(Also, it is worth noting that if DL decides to add first class, it would probably do so to the 744s and 772s, and it would obviously be easier to do that at the same time as adding the flat beds and, in the case of the 744s, AVOD and new Y seats.)



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 18 hours ago) and read 11669 times:



Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 1):
This seems likely, and also that the 772ERs will get the Contour Solar seats.

(Also, it is worth noting that if DL decides to add first class, it would probably do so to the 744s and 772s, and it would obviously be easier to do that at the same time as adding the flat beds and, in the case of the 744s, AVOD and new Y seats.)

The 772ERs have already been confirmed to get the Contour Solar Suites. The new layout will be 45/223.

As for international F class, I just don't see it happening. If it does happen though, I would expect it would be installed on the 744s and 772s as you said, and maybe on the 764ERs and A330s. Perhaps this might be a product that may work for international F class:
http://www.contour.aero/firstclass/index.php?contentID=26



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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 18 hours ago) and read 11617 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):
Perhaps this might be a product that may work for international F class:
http://www.contour.aero/firstclass/i...ID=26

I don't see it as being something that extravagant if it happens.

I do think DL could make F work on certain routes.



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 hours ago) and read 11136 times:

What about Y on the 744s. Didn't some DL guy say that it was kind of embarrassing?
I want to get on a NW/DL 744 in Y and not sense the previous 10000 people ho sat in the seat. I don't want to have a flight where the in-flight is broken or not as scheduled. And as a short guy having to look over some big hair to see the screen 30 rows up.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):
http://www.contour.aero/firstclass/index.php?contentID=26

Aren't DL's Contour product like this?



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 hours ago) and read 11108 times:



Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 1):
(Also, it is worth noting that if DL decides to add first class, it would probably do so to the 744s and 772s, and it would obviously be easier to do that at the same time as adding the flat beds and, in the case of the 744s, AVOD and new Y seats.)

Wont happen. F or Y+ is not on the table right now. IMO if Delta does end up a 3 class carrier it will be C,Y+(what is the one letter fare code for it?) and Y.



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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 hours ago) and read 11079 times:

I will say that as much as I travel overseas, I have grown accustomed to flying with a PTV. I recently had to fly BUD-JFK on a daylight flight, and instead of flying Delta, where I would have gotten double miles, on a 767-300 with the overhead TV, I chose AA via LHR on a 777 with a PVT, because I did not plan on sleeping on that flight. I think it would be great if Delta started fitting all their wide bodies, or at least their overseas flights, with PTVs. Heck, that is the only time I get to catch up on movies.

User currently offlineMaddog888 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 hours ago) and read 11078 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 5):
Y+(what is the one letter fare code for it?

Don't know if it is the same everywhere, but BA uses W for world traveller plus class.

J


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 hours ago) and read 10647 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I know some (but not all) of the MD-88s are planned to be moved to MSP.

Is it just MD-88s, or will there also be MD-90s going into MSP as well?

It'll be exciting to see DL get such a great consistent onboard product all across the fleet. I've always had great in-flight experiences with them (the window is all the IFE I'll ever need), but this will make it even better.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 hours ago) and read 10645 times:



Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
What about Y on the 744s. Didn't some DL guy say that it was kind of embarrassing?
I want to get on a NW/DL 744 in Y and not sense the previous 10000 people ho sat in the seat. I don't want to have a flight where the in-flight is broken or not as scheduled. And as a short guy having to look over some big hair to see the screen 30 rows up.

The 744s will probably get Weber 5751 slimline seats with winged headrests and AVOD.



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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9408 times:



Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
What about Y on the 744s. Didn't some DL guy say that it was kind of embarrassing?

All international aircraft are supposed to get AVOD and for the 744 that means new Y seats automatically, since the current ones won't support PTVs. Same for the 763 ... well, most of the 763 fleet anyway. The newest frames actually have the same Y seats that are on the 764 and 772. I wonder if they will replace the Y seats on those or just add the PTVs to them.

(The 764 even came pre-wired for PTVs in Y - they were present in F - but that IFE system was removed in favor of the latest one anyway. The original domestic-configured 764 is the only airplane I've ever flown on where my footroom was blocked by an IFE box but there were no PTVs!)

At the end of all this there should be three types of international Y seat: one on the 752, 763, 77L and 744, one on the 764 and 772, and one on the 332 and 333. All with winged headrests and AVOD. And all domestic aircraft will probably have the same Y seat too, except the M88 and D95, which will keep rather old ones, and maybe the ex-Song 752. I think the M90, 319, 320, 753 and remaining 752 fleet will likely get the new slimline seat when they get AVOD. The domestic 763 already is so equipped.

The difference between the new domestic and international Y seats is that the international version has a winged headrest.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
Aren't DL's Contour product like this?

Yes. 1337Delta764 was speculating on what kind of F seat DL might install if it were to bring back F.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 5):
Wont happen. F or Y+ is not on the table right now. IMO if Delta does end up a 3 class carrier it will be C,Y+(what is the one letter fare code for it?) and Y.

OK, if you say so.

I don't think there is a universal fare code for premium economy. I know it's W on BA but I have no idea what it is on e.g. AF, NH, NZ, VS and such. I'm pretty sure some airlines use W for a deep-discount economy fare, but I'm not sure.

BA's fare code for Concorde was R, BTW.

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 6):
I recently had to fly BUD-JFK on a daylight flight, and instead of flying Delta, where I would have gotten double miles, on a 767-300 with the overhead TV, I chose AA via LHR on a 777 with a PVT, because I did not plan on sleeping on that flight. I think it would be great if Delta started fitting all their wide bodies, or at least their overseas flights, with PTVs. Heck, that is the only time I get to catch up on movies.

Mmm, I can't say I'd have made the same decision as you. For me, the hassle of connecting at LHR more than offsets the PTV, which is not even that good on AA's 772.

And yes, DL will be converting all its intercontinental aircraft to have AVOD. The only mainline aircraft not slated to get it are the M88 and D95. This means AVOD is yet to be added to the M90, 319, 320, 753, international 763 and 744 fleets, and part of the 738 and 752 fleets. The 73G, domestic 763, 764, 332, 333, 772 and 77L fleets are all equipped with nose-to-tail AVOD along with part of the 738 and 752 fleets (including the pre-merger DL 752 fleet configured for intercontinental flights and now also used on JFK-LAX/SFO).

Wi-fi is also being added to all domestic aircraft.

Quoting Airport (Reply 8):
It'll be exciting to see DL get such a great consistent onboard product all across the fleet.

What will not be consistent will be the J seat.

With two types of lie-flat seats, plus recliners on the 752, it will be about as inconsistent as it gets. I really think DL ought to put one of those two lie-flat designs on the 752. AA, CO and UA are all going for lie-flat across their entire intercontinental fleets. (AA already has it, albeit angled.)



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9364 times:



Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 10):
764 and 772

Actually, there is one minor difference between the seats on the 764ERs and 772ERs. Both are variants of the Weber 5150 seat, however, the ones on the 772ER have mechanically adjustable lumbar support (I recently made a thread about it), while the ones on the 764ER (and newest 763ERs) do not. The ex-Song 752s also have the same model of seat (Weber 5150), but with no winged headrests nor adjustable lumbar support.



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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9332 times:



Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 3):

I don't see it as being something that extravagant if it happens.

I do think DL could make F work on certain routes.



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 5):
Wont happen. F or Y+ is not on the table right now.

I would be interested to see if DL does go this route, to add F (assuming for our purposes that Y+ would not be a separate class, similar to how UA still sees E+ as part of a two-cabin F and Y arrangement). I know that various people with more info that I have pointed out that DL made a conscious business decision along with US, CO, AC, OS and some others to go two-class across the entire fleet, but I still maintain that they could probably make it on a few routes. I would be interested to know, in response to L1011Man's post, if DL is simply not considering this now due to bigger fish to fry with the merger and all, or if it is truly not on the table in the sense of not really being an option ever, at all.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8882 times:

Sorry to bump this thread, however, now that 2010 is here, I would like to know when the flat bed BusinessElite seat mods will begin for the following aircraft this year: 777-200ER (Contour Solar Suites), remaining 767-400ERs (Thompson Vantage), and 767-300ERs with main deck crew rests (76Ts, Thompson Vantage).

I think the 772ER mods will be first, followed by the remaining 764ERs and then the 76Ts, although I am not 100% sure. The 76Ts will also be getting PTVs with AVOD in Y, however, it remains to be seen if the Y seats themselves will be replaced. The 76Ts have the same Weber 5150 seats with winged headrests in Y that the 764ERs have, which already support PTVs.



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User currently offlineJMackey From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8849 times:

DL's Business Elite is already one of the best premier classes of any US based airline.

Unless DL wants to spend a lot of cash, it seems to make no sense to add F class to
any original DL aircraft or new aircraft type coming.

Y+ might be debatable though, seems to have done fairly well for UA ( although I don't have the numbers to substantiate ).



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8784 times:



Quoting LHCVG (Reply 12):
I would be interested to know, in response to L1011Man's post, if DL is simply not considering this now due to bigger fish to fry with the merger and all, or if it is truly not on the table in the sense of not really being an option ever, at all.

In one of the chats with....someone can't remember who it was, i think it was Ed, anyways it was asked if they were looking at F or Y+ and he said no, they will inprove what they have before they look at adding any more classes.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8768 times:

And as I said, if DL does introduce an international F class, it would have to be something like this in order to differentiate it from J class:


However, I can't envision these suites in DL's signature blue leather. Red leather would be much more beautiful.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8760 times:



Quoting Airport (Reply 8):

Is it just MD-88s, or will there also be MD-90s going into MSP as well?

The -90s are planned to go to MSP. I'm sure some -88s will rotate through MSP every now and then, but it will principally be -90s.


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8628 times:



Quoting JMackey (Reply 14):
DL's Business Elite is already one of the best premier classes of any US based airline.

 spit 

Yikes. DL's new product on the 77L and 764 is great. The 763 is more of a premium economy than a business class, in my opinion. Yes, the pitch may be good, but the seat itself is extremely narrow and for a taller person like me, does not extend to a comfortable sleeping position. The meal service is not good (food choices are VERY unappetizing), the PTVs are tiny and hard to adjust, and overall the seat provides no privacy.

UA's new business class, CO's 2-1-2 seating on the 767, NW's A330s (yes, I realize they are DL now) are all better than BizElite. I have not tried AA's new product either, although from the looks of it, even that lame hard product is better than DL's new BizE.

I flew AMS-PDX-AMS in BizE over the holiday season and can say that I would honestly not pay more than say, a 50% bonus, over the lower coach fares for this product. Luckily I used miles so this ticket was free. I appreciate the nonstop option, but will hold off on actually paying the J fare for this route until the product improves.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8525 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 18):
The 763 is more of a premium economy than a business class, in my opinion.

If you think the 763ER BusinessElite is a premium economy class, try flying on one of DL's domestic 763s in F, which are just as narrow and have even less room (and no footrests).



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8363 times:



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 18):
UA's new business class,

I bet EKs F is better too.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8306 times:



Quoting JMackey (Reply 14):
Y+ might be debatable though, seems to have done fairly well for UA ( although I don't have the numbers to substantiate ).

UA doesn't have a premium economy class. It has some rows of economy that have extra room.

UA doesn't even market Economy Plus as a premium economy product. Premium economy is a class of service, which Economy Plus isn't.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8269 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 18):
I have not tried AA's new product either, although from the looks of it, even that lame hard product is better than DL's new BizE.

Not really sure what's so "lame" about being the only U.S. airline with lie-flat seats in every long-haul plane, including narrow bodies.

If AA were to remove one row of C from each of their planes, the seats would be able to lie flat (Iberia is doing this), but from an elite flier perspective, that can severely hamper upgrades. I'll take the angle and free upgrades.

[Edited 2010-01-03 18:29:48]


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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8040 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 16):
And as I said, if DL does introduce an international F class, it would have to be something like this in order to differentiate it from J class:


However, I can't envision these suites in DL's signature blue leather. Red leather would be much more beautiful.


LONG LIVE THE DELTA 767-400ER!

What airline and equipment is this on?


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7992 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
Not really sure what's so "lame" about being the only U.S. airline with lie-flat seats in every long-haul plane, including narrow bodies.

If AA were to remove one row of C from each of their planes, the seats would be able to lie flat (Iberia is doing this), but from an elite flier perspective, that can severely hamper upgrades. I'll take the angle and free upgrades.

I understand what you're saying, and it makes sense from AA's stand point. I just think that many were disappointed that AA spent so much money to reconfigure their business class, but the end result is still only 70-80% of what the competition is offering.


25 United1 : Thats EK on their A380/A350 aircraft.
26 United1 : As I can't edit my post a small correction.... those are EKs F suits on their A380 and A340-500 aircraft.
27 CokePopper : Looks like the first 76T with AVOD in Y/C should be flying this week. 7 76T's should be completed by April
28 1337Delta764 : Wow, that was much earlier than I was expecting! I thought that installing the Thompson Vantage flat-bed seats on the rest of the 764ER fleet was the
29 DeltaL1011man : Would they have to add new seats to these birds?(76Ts) or can they take PTVs?
30 1337Delta764 : The 76Ts have the same Y seats as the 764ERs (Weber 5150 with winged headrests), which already support PTVs. However, I am not sure whether Delta pla
31 CokePopper : I don't believe that these seats will be "New" but old new. As in taking them off of stored a/c and putting them on the 76T's. Also I haven't heard w
32 1337Delta764 : Talk about selective quoting. As I said, the seats on the 76Ts already support PTVs as they are the same as those on the 764ER. The rest of the 763ER
33 DeltaL1011man : The way it was said in the memo, i could see how it means they are talking the simlines out of some 763s in VCV(DL has dumped a few leases) and will
34 1337Delta764 : I wonder though, will DL add winged headrests to them? After all, I have read that the long term goal was to have winged headrests in Y on all intern
35 BOACCunard : Will these have new seats in J too?
36 DeltaL1011man : No just PTVs in Y
37 CokePopper : No, for some reason they decided just to update Y/C with this mod.
38 DeltaL1011man : I think its because they are waying on the tray table fix. Just a guess.
39 Panamair : Should be ship 1610 (N1610D)....
40 BOACCunard : As someone who flies in Y, I am happy to see that issues with the new J seats are not holding up improvements in Y. Those of you who fly J can live wi
41 DeltaL1011man : Also the first 777-200ER should be going in for new J seats any day now.
42 MMEPHX : DL's Y product, particularly on the 763 and 744 is poor in comparison to many other carriers so it is good to see they are upgrading. I hope the new s
43 LACA773 : DL is doing the right thing by upgrading their curent cabins to become the leader in the markets when it comes to their product and comparing it to t
44 AVLAirlineFreq : Is there a photo available of the Thompson Vantage product being installed on the DL 763s? Any updates on the status of the changes to the 763s? Any
45 CokePopper : Seven 76T's will be completed by April/10
46 Sectflyer : I am planning a trip to Thailand in November. Will the 744 Y be updated by then?
47 DeltaL1011man : Delta is going to put time/money into the two classes they have now. Y+ and F will not happen at least short term.
48 CokePopper : Looks like 1610 (first 76T with AVOD) is flying....sort of....
49 OA412 : Sort of?
50 CokePopper : Sorry, thought there was a MTC issue in TLV. All is good and the a/c is on the way back from TLV to JFK.
51 United airline : Wonder if UA will react and install PTVs on its B747-400 economy class seats
52 1337Delta764 : Probably not, as UA intends on replacing their 744 fleet with the Airbus A350-900XWB.
53 Viscount724 : W is the primary code agreed by IATA members for "Economy/coach premium", but airlines sometimes do their own thing.
54 MSPNWA : That's so far down the road that we'll have to wait and see if it even happens. Things change too rapidly in aviation to be certain of long-term plan
55 DLDTW1962 : I hope they do something with the 5500 series B757's. The First/Business class seat and cabin walls are showing their wear and tear. And the seats are
56 1337Delta764 : As far as I know, DL hasn't made an official decision yet. The initial plan was to eliminate them, however, this is being reconsidered, and there are
57 Timf : If they do decide to keep the 5500s, it would likely be for approximately the same amount of time as the DC-9-50s. In this case, I could see them gett
58 Centrair : I want my...I want my...I want my DL TV! (on transpac please...by June)
59 IliriBDL : Can someone clear this up for me, do all the 764 have the flat-bed J seats or just the ones that go to LHR? (taking ATL-MUC, that's why I'm asking) Th
60 EMB170 : I am scheduled on a 5500 series 757 in F in April on MSP-LAS. I am hoping that the schedule that shows it is just a placeholder (I know DL often does
61 Panamair : No, only 7 of the 21 764s have flat-beds in J currently and only the LHR flights (JFK, ATL, MSP, DTW) are guaranteed to be flown by these 7.
62 Panamair : Does anyone know if they have started the flat-bed (Contour Suites) mods in J on the 777-200ERs yet? Both ships 7001 (N860DA) and 7002 (N861DA) do not
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