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Is There IFE Now?  
User currently offlinePIAflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 150 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11296 times:

Hello all,

Excuse my language if any is used but i am sick and outraged at atrocious acts of terrorism that are committed by no good people who do not deserve anything in life. Now what this post will be about might be a bit selfish, but as a passenger soon to be, terrorists like the one who have thankfully failed at an attempt of terrorism, have made passenger's lives much more painful and have increased the hassle of travel. I have been planning this trip for months now, and because of this stupid man's decisions, my flights might become very painful as a passenger. I will be flying on the 28th of December from SFO-FRA (UA Biz class) FRA-CAI (Lufthansa Econ class). Vacation in cairo, then return CAI-KWI (Kuwait econ class) KWI-IAD (UA Biz class) and IAD-SFO (UA econ class). Due to this act of terrorism, i have been told that the in flight entertainment will be shut of on all flights because of security reasons. The main point i believe, is due to the fact of the in flight moving map, that is how the terrorist was able to know where the aircraft was, so as a precaution, the map, including all in flight entertainment will be shut off. My question is, will the entertainment really be off, will there be any compensation or anything extra in flight provided. I really really do hope that terrorism as a whole can be defeated, not only for my selfish IFE reasons, but also so that the public in general do not have to live in fear.

Any comments, concerns, and questions are welcome.
Piaflyer

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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4763 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11266 times:
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its way too early to say what restrictions will become permanent. Given the restrictions are government mandated the airlines have no obligation to compensate you, though the nicer ones may throw you a bone of some sort - more mileage, free drinks etc

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11265 times:

I don't know why they can't simply disable the Airshow for flights inside and to/from the US. Or would this require re-writing the IFE software on aircraft with e.g. modern AVOD systems, because nobody thought about the possibility of disabling the Airshow post-9/11 in the first place?

I know the question belongs more into Tech-Ops, but it's still a valid question to consider post-9/11 (though I do believe that disabling the Airshow is useless).


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11185 times:

I can only say good-riddance to the blinding bright blue moving map display. It is dreadful at night. Put sun glasses on and it is still bright.

However, I want to know how the politicians and transport security people stop me from knowing I'm near the USA when the tone of the engines changes, and the plane starts descending? I can hear it and feel it, and then by looking out the window, I'll know where I am.

I don't suppose they thought about that, did they? Never mind being able to look out the window and see visible landmarks? Is it time for the window blinds to be forced shut now?  

Even better, if I time the flight from take off, and approximate the cruise speed of the plane (without factoring in climb and acceleration), I'll know by the amount of hours we have been in the air approximately where we are.

Fortunately, I'm not flying to the USA any time soon - so by the time I do, and if I do, all this should have blown over by then.

I do think these changes are a rather hysterical knee-jerk reaction that probably won't make any difference to security.

The only policy that will prevent this is the following:

1. Passengers strapped to seats, by force if necessary
2. Passengers sedated by doctors for the entire journey

If passengers don't submit to that, they get arrested and charged under counter-terrorism laws. That's the only way you can stop these things happening. It's pretty extreme - but it would work.

[Edited 2009-12-26 16:33:17 by cpd]

User currently offlineSKORD From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11152 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 3):
I don't know why they can't simply disable the Airshow for flights inside and to/from the US

I agree totally. I cant possibly imagine why this would be such a complicated procedure? If the major issue seems to be where the actual aircraft is passing over at any specific time, then what next? Will all our window blinds be permanently nailed shut?

Obviously, as members of the general public we have no idea what is really going on, but these rules that have been implimented just seem to be rather hysterical, pointless and and of no significant use.

The discontinuation of IFE is just pointless, and will only begin to infuriate people more and more.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21564 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11103 times:



Quoting SKORD (Reply 5):
I cant possibly imagine why this would be such a complicated procedure?

It shouldn't be, but I don't think it's a quick fix that you can just do in a couple of minutes. Thus, they disable the whole system in order to comply with the rule that you can't have any Airshow maps available. Once the engineers can get access to the system for a while, they should be able to just leave the non-problematic functions (movies, music, tv shows, etc.) running and disable the ones the TSA has disallowed.

My advice to you would be to bring other things to pass the time. A book, your laptop with some DVDs or games on it, etc.If the airlines choose to give you something for the trouble, fine, but I wouldn't go to the airport expecting any sort of compensation, since this rule is something they have no control over and which has been forced upon them at the last minute.

-Mir



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User currently offlineJimpop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11017 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 4):
The only policy that will prevent this is the following:

Smaller planes, with fewer people, will also solve it. But.....


User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4763 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10956 times:
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Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
A book, your laptop with some DVD

if they enforce a very strict carry on policy with strict size limits also you may want a netbook and no book!  Smile


User currently offlineAirstairFear From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10918 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
My advice to you would be to bring other things to pass the time. A book, your laptop with some DVDs or games on it, etc.

Which doesn't necessarily help you when you are not permitted to have anything on your lap or the seat next to you, nor are you allowed to access to your carryon. Granted, this restriction seems to be only for the last hour, but still.

Quoting PIAflyer (Thread starter):
or anything extra in flight provided

One wonders... How hard would it be to mount a brass pole near the galley?



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User currently offlineDitzyboy From Australia, joined Feb 2008, 718 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10909 times:

Airshow can be disabled in the IFE systems I am familiar with.

User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10848 times:



Quoting PIAflyer (Thread starter):
I will be flying on the 28th of December from SFO-FRA (UA Biz class) FRA-CAI (Lufthansa Econ class). Vacation in cairo, then return CAI-KWI (Kuwait econ class) KWI-IAD (UA Biz class) and IAD-SFO (UA econ class). Due to this act of terrorism, i have been told that the in flight entertainment will be shut of on all flights because of security reasons. The main point i believe, is due to the fact of the in flight moving map, that is how the terrorist was able to know where the aircraft was, so as a precaution, the map, including all in flight entertainment will be shut off. My question is, will the entertainment really be off, will there be any compensation or anything extra in flight provided. I really really do hope that terrorism as a whole can be defeated, not only for my selfish IFE reasons, but also so that the public in general do not have to live in fear.

How painful....for me...IFE can make or break a flight...Do I think this will be sustained or gain traction...no...



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User currently offlineSKORD From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10847 times:



Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
My advice to you would be to bring other things to pass the time

Thanks for the advise, however its not actually me thats travelling!

It may be all well-and-good suggesting bringing all these extra forms of entertainment onboard with you, but.....

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 8):
if they enforce a very strict carry on policy with strict size limits also you may want a netbook and no book!

And i believe BA have already restricted everyone to 1 piece only. Where will all this extra stuff go? And if you are banned access to your handluggage 1-2hrs before landing, whats the point???

I know im looking at the whole thing in a rather simplistic way, but it all seems badly thought out and pointless to the extreme.

It needs sorting at the entrance to the airport, at check-in, at security, and at the gate. NOT at 35,000 feet!!!!  Sad


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10808 times:

Let's all say it together folks: Knee-jerk


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User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10785 times:

I think it depends on the a/c type and the IFE system installed.

Some can just simply have the sky map/phone/text functions disabled, others will require a work around that will take some time to complete on all a/c, so easier to switch it off.

I don't understand however if it such a huge concern, why they cannot just turn it off when entering US airspace/1 hour before landing. Why should people have to suffer for the whole trip prior to that ??.

Seems like a typical over the top knee jerk reaction !!.

 Sad



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6486 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10735 times:

Has anyone recently flown on an international flight into the US on any airline other than United? Reports are now widespread, but still only isolated to United. Hopefully Delta doesn't follow.


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User currently offlinePowercube From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10729 times:



Quoting Leezyjet (Reply 14):
I don't understand however if it such a huge concern, why they cannot just turn it off when entering US airspace/1 hour before landing. Why should people have to suffer for the whole trip prior to that ??.

Because then, of course, they'd be able to work out where they were and approximately when they were in America. Way to go TSA- so happy I already got my LAX-SIN run out of the way.  banghead 


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10713 times:

Quoting Powercube (Reply 16):

Because then, of course, they'd be able to work out where they were and approximately when they were in America.

Didn't you notice my message above, you can already do that, regardless of IFE being on or off. It's very easy. All you need is a watch with a timer on it, and to know the approximate speed of the plane, along with the approximate distance of the flight (which is easy to find out).

Simple mathematics will tell you okay, I've been flying at 885km/h for about 10 hours, that means I've covered about about 8500-9000km, factoring in acceleration and possible tailwinds/headwinds.

[Edited 2009-12-26 17:57:41 by cpd]

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19559 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10631 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 4):

If passengers don't submit to that, they get arrested and charged under counter-terrorism laws. That's the only way you can stop these things happening. It's pretty extreme - but it would work.

Got a better one:

Ban air travel. Too dangerous. Stop all human flight except for military use.

Actually, I'd love to be sedated on long flights. That'd be awesome! Pop in the IV, start the midazolam, monitor my breathing and heart rate and wake me up when we land!


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3057 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10617 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 15):

Im confused UA discontinued IFE on all INTL flights? If so, that is just sick.



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User currently offlineATTart From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10574 times:

It is not for the whole flight. From what my co workers have told me is that it is an hour before landing that is when it is turned off.


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User currently offlinePIAflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10571 times:

thanks for all the tips guys, so do you think that UA will start the IFE again before my flight (the 28th) or no?

User currently offlinePIAflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2007, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10550 times:



Quoting ATTart (Reply 20):
It is not for the whole flight. From what my co workers have told me is that it is an hour before landing that is when it is turned off.

Thats idiotic, whats the point then? If its a 10 hour flight, 9 hours have passed and you only have 1 to go, the person would figure out, that "hey im over such and such now", thats completly ridiculous  mad 


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3057 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10549 times:



Quoting PIAflyer (Reply 21):

Eventually this whole policy will be laxed.



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User currently offlineATTart From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 10518 times:



Quoting PIAflyer (Reply 22):

Thats idiotic, whats the point then? If its a 10 hour flight, 9 hours have passed and you only have 1 to go, the person would figure out, that "hey im over such and such now", thats completly ridiculous

I agree, I am just telling you what we are told to do. So I guess United or any airline can win with this new rule. Think how much fun it is g/oing to be for us crew member working these trips?



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25 Flaps : Personally I could care less about IFE. I don't need it, don't use it, don't care. Actually I get a kick out of a lot of the IFE whining that goes on
26 Post contains links DocLightning : The TSA has also said that "Passengers flying from international locations to U.S. destinations may notice additional security measures in place. The
27 Post contains links Mariner : Singapore Airlines is saying that the IFE will be turned off an our before landing at any US port: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN26133499200912
28 Birdwatching : OK folks, I can give some very detailed info now. My friend just landed in Newark on a BRU-EWR Continental flight (B777). He reports the following: Th
29 Boeing4ever : One idiot with exploding underwear and now another knee-jerk reaction. I swear if I'm on a flight where another one of these assclowns does something
30 Jhooper : That's bureaucratic speak for "we're caught with our pants down, again, and we'll pull this out of our rears (again)"
31 PIAflyer : PS, i have actually found out that UA will be taking the map/airshow component out of their IFE system for now, so for me and anyone else travelling o
32 COEWR2587 : It means ur landing in EWR lol. Probably typical holding pattern. Countless times going into EWR we're ahead of schedule and they put us in holding p
33 VAAengineer : VS has modified their IFE so that Skymap doesnt show anymore and no satphones, so all good for VS enjoy the IFE
34 BMI727 : Yeah, because terrorists can't buy a handheld GPS or use inflight Wi-Fi (if available) to check FlightAware. Translation: We are going to do somethin
35 BOStonsox : Since none of my domestic flights had IFE (I'm still waiting to try B6), in order to tell where I was I would get out my map and compass, start it nea
36 Fauzi : Anyone knows which city it applies to? Or is it all inbound US flights?
37 PIAflyer : another idiotc policy that there implementing is that passengers must be seated an hour before landing, what if you have a passenger that sick (vomit)
38 Malaysia : Yeah Hypersleep, Also would be a great idea if they could put people in hypersleep and atleast we would live longer, those who fly a lot
39 Post contains links BMI727 : I could deal with that, and I suspect that it would be popular with flight attendants as well. I think that you guys might enjoy these if you haven't
40 M404 : I don't understand what moving maps had to do with this event. It's said he went to the restroom after the crew announced they were beginnning descent
41 Cpd : Yes indeed, 70% of them could be fired! Since the passengers are all sedated, you don't need so many F/A's any more.
42 Tonystan : LOL, Dont be so sure...most airlines already operate with minimum crew compliments!!!!
43 NorthstarBoy : I'd be curious how the TSA can even enforce a rule like this? Unless they start putting plain clothes officers on the flights, they really have no way
44 Afterburner : This may be well beyond TSA personnel's average intelligence level. For them, there's no such thing as simple mathematics.
45 Flyingfox27 : I wonder that the terrorists just do these things in order for this to happen? they dont need to physically blow things up, just do a weird act or thr
46 Kith : Just landed in HKG from ORD on UA 895, NO IFE or Channel 9. I don't see this lasting as the airlines have spent way too much $$ on new systems. 15hrs
47 DAL763ER : I for one have used a PDA with a GPS receiver in-flight and it worked great, so should be no biggie..
48 GuitrThree : Yes they are (and/or were), at least on the Airlines I have flown. I almost always take my Garmin GPSMAP196 with me and even use the wired external a
49 Trex8 : I always thought during cruise any electronic device which receives or transmits EM signals was banned yep, unless you like a diversion and 3 hots an
50 Glom : Is this only for US flights? I'm not planning to go to the US this year so I hope my other travel plans will not be affected by this nonsense. WHAT? S
51 United1 : Agreed more then likely this is a quick fix UA (and probably some other airlines as well) did for a day or two while they have maintenance visit each
52 Tonystan : You are absolutely correct..... our PA says that any items that sends OR RECEIVES transmissions are not permitted at any time during the flight!!!! G
53 MadameConcorde : This is confirmed on FT from flyers who were on international ultra-long hauls without any IFE at all. Are we going to have to bring down all the win
54 Av8rDAL : AMEN. Esp. on DL's new LCD 16:9 TVs that replaced the projectors. It's like when you fall asleep (slightly) with the TV on at 2 o'clock in the mornin
55 Post contains links GuitrThree : Maybe so, but you CAN use GPS on certain (a lot) of airlines. Southwest is one for sure. It clearly states this in their list of approved electronic
56 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Latest: For all United States bound aircraft originating in a foreign country and including Puerto Rico and the United States Virgin Islands: - Passen
57 Glom : Wow, MadamConcorde. That is a lot of stupidity in one post. (Not referring to you of course, but the information you're relaying.)
58 LTBEWR : Cleraly some immediate action has to be taken to disrupt any other possible terror plot attempts that could get by security checks. As to IFE suspensi
59 Glom : That does make me sick. Please say it is only on flights to and from the US. I want my moving map when I got to Japan!
60 MadameConcorde : Singapore Airlines also made an announcement that all US-bound flights would have no IFE.
61 Phen : About time. Those newspapers are lethal alright.
62 Readytotaxi : And don't forget the comfy pillow you could suffocate a member of the crew with.
63 AussieItaliano : The thing that is just so stupid is that all of the new security restrictions are overreactions to terrorism plots that have already been tried. Does
64 Srbmod : I guess that means that airlines will be forced to pull the inflight magazines and the SkyMall catalog from the seat back pockets. In a way, you coul
65 WorldTraveler : Perhaps part of the point SQ is making by shutting off the IFE for the entire flight along w/ other airlines is to deluge the TSA w/ complaint letters
66 OA260 : What a mess and stupid rules. I guess the terrorists will just blow themselves up over the atlantic mid flight.
67 Mutu : well i can tell you what just experienced LHR/JFK extra security: as well as usual central security, additional security at the gate included a full s
68 Jimpop : Apparently, based on 25-Dec, that's not what the terrorists want to be known for.
69 DAL763ER : As if anyone shall write complaints to TSA. The only ones suffering will be the airlines, both in revenue, and in complaint letters...The layman only
70 TheCol : You could always bring your own IFE. Most people do these days. Just a thought. It pays to use your common sense.
71 Avek00 : Considering the new restrictions, that advice is of little utility.
72 LipeGIG : I flew yesterday GIG-MIA on AA. Extra security procedures on the gate and they comply with the 1-hour-no-lavatory-use rule. IFE was available but on t
73 Glom : I simply do not believe that IFE is going out for good. Airlines have spent millions of dollars on this. They are going to raise holy hell with the Am
74 Trex8 : you guys are all wimps, I remember doing TYO or HKG to LON in the early 70s on 707s with no IFE and 20+ hour flying times and I survived and I;m still
75 KingFriday013 : I haven't been on a plane with any form of IFE other than the window and a magazine in nearly two years. Back in March, I was on a US Airways Express
76 TheCol : There are a lot of good books out there. These rules will be dropped one by one within the next couple of days.
77 DeltaHolland : Well, flew AMS-ATL today, and these series of events occureded during the boarding process and flight. - Extra pat-downs at security, and the flight l
78 Gosimeon : I must say that all of these new rules sure do make flying to America a right chore. I mean, what could somebody watching a movie or reading a book be
79 Birdwatching : So how is it on flights ORIGINATING in the USA? I will be flying ORD-FRA on AA in a week. What should I expect? Soren
80 Jhooper : What's to keep someone from doing this in flight using the inflight Internet, or has that been disabled too?
81 Max550 : It is. I was on FL today coming back from CUN and in-flight internet was off. I used it for the first time last week and it was really nice to have,
82 Aloha717200 : I really hope this is all just temporary or that common sense prevails. As it is, I'm flying to the UK next month and most of what I planned to carry
83 Flyfree727 : Just read AA email to FA;s advising changes to in-flight procedures. IFE system does NOT have to be deactivated AND passengers are NOT required to rem
84 Post contains links Elite : That is correct; please read the following NY Times article for further clarification. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/us/29security.html
85 LMML 14/32 : Many people carry a GPS with them these days. So they know where they are flying over at any given time. Disabling IFE is a panic decision and willnot
86 Aloha717200 : " target=_blank>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/us....html Finally some sanity.
87 Post contains links LAXintl : I like this from JetBlue http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Live-T...iconalley-4188977788.html?x=0&.v=4
88 Malaysia : Well it doesnt matter I have a built in INS in my body, so I can always calculate manually where we should be over regarding the time, the route, and
89 TravelExec : You may laugh, but it was a brave wasp or bee that tried to outwit my Granny and the Belfast Telegraph... on quick swing was enough to bring down any
90 LTBEWR : Perhaps a reasonable policy would in the last 30 minutes of a flight over 2 hours, 20 minutes for those less than 2 hours, to shut off IFE (especially
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