DTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 683 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10874 times:
Chris777 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 44 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10804 times:
Corey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2519 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10519 times:
Poor guys are getting vectored all over the place as they just switched flows to the 4's
71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2736 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10427 times:
71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2736 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10074 times:
delta.com says boarding now for estimated 2300 departure
Aviationbuff08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9545 times:
Well its after midnight and the flight still show as boarding on delta.com. Since the flight turned back for JFK before leaving the canadian airspace for the TATL crossing I have to guess that it is a MTC issue with the aircraft. They most certainly are changing aircraft and crews, hopefully a replacement crew was called shortly after the aircraft turned back for JFK.
Chris777 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 44 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9465 times:
Actually they are changing the crew but so far they only found 5 F/A. It looks like it is the same ship number (but it is MTC) and they suppose to leave at 12:20AM. I don't think it's gonna happen.
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4103 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9396 times:
I will be on that flight few days from now. I think it is the second time in a month this is happening. I guess last time it was a sick passenger.
Aviationbuff08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9345 times:
yeah this flight is going to cancel if they can't find a full replacement crew... Any know if DL has a spare 777 tomorrow and monday that they can use as a sub for tomorrow's flight?
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5337 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9317 times:
DL.com is showing it pushed at 2421 so they must have gotten a crew together.
Aviationbuff08 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 346 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9237 times:
Guess they didn't have a spare 777 for tomorrow.
Anyone know if its the same aircraft from earlier or do they do an equipment swap?
CokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1088 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8891 times:
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5337 posts, RR: 8 Reply 14, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8877 times:
CokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1088 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8791 times:
Quoting United1 (Reply 14): To IST? how does that work with crew rest?
Good question. I don't know how much rest they would get with just 5 crew members.
From what I am seeing, it did go out with just 5 and they pushed back at 00:21.
I guess set the breaks as three. 2-1-2. you really need more than 2 awake.
Chris777 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 44 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6769 times:
it is legal. btw it was the lavs they got inop in the flight so they had to return since that is a no go item!
L1011buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 112 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6697 times:
I don't get the crew legality issue. How long can a pilot or flt. att. work for a shift? I am a nurse, and if you think working over a certain am't of hours for a flt. crew is dangerous, does anyone care that many nurses have to work double shifts, (be there 16 hours) and there are no laws saying this is illegal. Think about this next time you or your loved one is lying in an ICU bed or ER bay!!!!
Francoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3195 posts, RR: 10 Reply 18, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5830 times:
Quoting L1011buff (Reply 17): don't get the crew legality issue. How long can a pilot or flt. att. work for a shift? I am a nurse, and if you think working over a certain am't of hours for a flt. crew is dangerous, does anyone care that many nurses have to work double shifts, (be there 16 hours) and there are no laws saying this is illegal. Think about this next time you or your loved one is lying in an ICU bed or ER bay!!!!
You raise an interesting point, actually, if a bit off topic.
Aviation is the industry that is the most focused towards safety, and in which, relatively, the most resources are spent towards said safety.
I read an interesting article (or editorial) some time ago that compared the safety culture in aviation vs. that in hospitals and the health care industry generally speaking. It underlined the irony of the severe scrutiny under which every airline was after any kind of incident while hospitals all over the world were allowed to run under very lax safety oriented measures that allowed many human errors to be made (many due to fatigued staff) and many patients to die unnecessarily, without much being done about it.
Funny thing, that when a person dies in an aircrash, the whole world stops in its tracks, people cry foul and demand increased air travel safety, yet when thousands of people every year die of medical (human) errors and diseases contracted while in the hospital itself, no one cares...
There should indeed be a public debate about the subject. Health care has much to learn about the airline industry when it comes to safety. Maybe starting a thread would be a good start...
Chris777 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 44 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5133 times:
Quoting Francoflier (Reply 18): Depending on the number of lavs inop, but yes, definitely a big issue!
It is a big issue and if half of the LAV's are INOP on an aircarft that is a no go item. Thank god it is a no go item! Just imagine a 10 houres flight without working LAVs. worked on flights before with some INOP lavs and it is not fun, it is disgusting!
Delta had a rough evening yesterday with a few cancellation!
DTWLAX From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 683 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4134 times:
Quoting Aeolus (Reply 5): Where does it say it's departing at 2300?
I cannot see it. Is it information per delta.com?
Thanks
Now you know where it showed its departing at 23:00. See below:
Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 6): delta.com says boarding now for estimated 2300 departure
Quoting United1 (Reply 11): DL.com is showing it pushed at 2421 so they must have gotten a crew together.
Francoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3195 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1295 times:
Quoting Chris777 (Reply 19): It is a big issue and if half of the LAV's are INOP on an aircarft that is a no go item.
Again, dispatch ability depends on the specific MEL for that type and airline. The DDG usually specifies a max number of pax per operating lav. If you have less pax than that figure times the number of working lavs, then you're good to go. Although as you said it won't be a fun flight for many pax having to wait in line for an eternity and for the F/As having to keep those lavs tidy...
Lavatory drain pipes usually collect into 2 or 3 main collector pipes. If one of these gets blocked you instantly loose up to half the lavs so it's actually not that rare that several lavs go bad at once.
If the lavs get bad after take off, then it's the commander's decision to proceed or land, assisted by the manuals guidance and company ops, but anybody in his right mind who would like to avoid a sanitary emergency on board will definitely get back on the ground.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
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