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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2784 posts, RR: 10
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15403 times:

* To save time for moderators, please keep this thread free of political arguments or debates; this thread is for the discussion of the new security measures that the Transportation Security Administration has apparently put on airlines flying into the United States.

The new steps that are imposed appear have yet to be officially announced by the TSA, but airlines such as Air Canada have announced them and major newspapers have reported them. The major restrictions are:

- Passengers must remain in their seat with no personal items on their laps one hour before landing.

- Overseas passengers will be restricted to one carry on baggage.

- Air Canada has apparently restricted all carry-on's to personal items, and all roller bags or backpacks will have to be checked in.

The newest restrictions have undoubtedly been one of the most dramatic restrictions in recent memories. The "one hour before landing" rule severely - and possibly unnecessarily - restricts passenger movement throughout the cabin. Will these changes be permanent? And will passengers just gradually accept the fact that with every threat that is uncovered, lots of highly restrictive measures will be placed?

Related Links:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/6788090.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-VqG-XI9uE

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15466 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15415 times:

These new regulations will do little to prevent or deter terrorism. But they will do wonders in the TSA's struggle to make air travel so unappealing that people just won't do it anymore.


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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 851 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15395 times:

I'm OK with only being able to bring personal items on board. As long as I can bring my camera and laptop, I'm OK.

If I can't bring those, UPS or FedEx to my destination it is. I'm not putting them in checked luggage unless I absolutely must.



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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2784 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15384 times:



Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 2):
If I can't bring those, UPS or FedEx to my destination it is.

I've heard about people doing that, but how expensive is it? I usually pack a lot for my trips, as I make a lot of long-distance trips (10+ hours of flying), so I don't think its economically feasible for me to do that every time. I've always wondered if it is really worth it.


User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 851 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15377 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 3):
I've heard about people doing that, but how expensive is it?

Less expensive than my laptop or camera.

I'm not talking about shipping all my luggage, which would cost a fortune. Just valuable stuff I won't check.

If someone steals my clothes from my checked baggage, big deal. I'm not the kind of guy who wears clothes he'd be devastated to lose. :P



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User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1757 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15371 times:

United has been shipping your luggage via fedex for many years now. On the other hand, I think this is going to be worse for business travel (can you see the yields go bye bye)

It's a shame that it's a knee-jerk reaction.



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User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2797 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15097 times:

Air Canada has also announced that all pax on U.S. bound flights and their carry-on baggage will be hand-searched twice - at security screening and again at the gate when boarding. the airline#s website also indicates that the anticipated delays are expected to affect pax with ongoing connections through the U.S. I'm guessing that pax will need to arrive at the airport about 4 hours before their flight. This certainly makes travel to/through the U.S. unappealing.


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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2784 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15048 times:



Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 8):

The hand-search at the gate should be fairly quick, although I haven't had any experience with the new system. Traveling from HKG to the United States, I had my carry-on bag searched before boarding, but with the apparent 100% hand search at the security screening will sure make lines very, very long.


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6639 posts, RR: 78
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14980 times:

I still haven't seen a reasonable explanation for that odd "one hour"-timeframe. Anyone?


PH

[Edited 2009-12-27 04:07:51]


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9078 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14951 times:



Quoting Elite (Thread starter):
- Passengers must remain in their seat with no personal items on their laps one hour before landing.

wouldn't count on this one staying. The TSA did the same thing after 9/11 and all it ended up being a pain in the ass(and gone pretty quick). If they want to really do something(while it woud cost money) lets dump the TSA idea, Go back to the airlines/airports doing it and use that money to put a FAM on every US plane.

Question, what is the deal with the no IFE talk?



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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14938 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 13):
Question, what is the deal with the no IFE talk?

I think maybe they are referring to the moving map, which would really suck?

Or, they might be saying that they will cut the IFE off an hour prior to landing?


User currently offlineAirNz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14927 times:



Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 8):
Air Canada has also announced that all pax on U.S. bound flights and their carry-on baggage will be hand-searched twice - at security screening and again at the gate when boarding.

In this case, out of curiosity, what are they going to be looking for now that they weren't supposedly doing before?


User currently offlineKaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 2797 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14910 times:



Quoting Elite (Reply 10):

The hand-search at the gate should be fairly quick, although I haven't had any experience with the new system.

It's apparently both carry-on and the pax personally.

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 14):
I think maybe they are referring to the moving map, which would really suck?

Or, they might be saying that they will cut the IFE off an hour prior to landing?

Both of the above. And they're also disabling the inter-seat message function which some IFEs have.



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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14873 times:

Maybe the airlines will start advertising that in First and Biz class, the IFE stays on until 30 minutes before landing  idea 

User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1360 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14837 times:

Well the moving map will kill the only part of most IFE that is fun and appealing.

Eventually we'll all have to apply for licenses to be allowed to travel, maybe we'll be forced to book all our travel through "travel agents" who'll pre-screen all of us. Which is what Janet (Why should the border between crabapple cove VT & pomme de Crab Quebec be so free & easy when we in AZ have harsh border controls) Napolitano desperately wants.

Bye-bye freedoms.

Note that none of these measures will address the failures of those responsible for this. The one hour lockdown & the no moving map is particularly hilarious.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2520 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14808 times:

No moving map? No IFE?
Mr Terrorist will now have to make sure he takes a TomTom iphone with him so he knows when it's a good time to ignite the explosive powder. Or he may just have to look out of the window.


User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14708 times:



Quoting Csavel (Reply 18):
Note that none of these measures will address the failures of those responsible for this. The one hour lockdown & the no moving map is particularly hilarious.

I have to agree, that I am waiting for someone to give a logical explanation to how this will stop anything? When I travel I always set watch to the destination timezone and start my stopwatch on the takeoff roll. Also, as stated before, most people can feel when the plane starts to descend, and the seat belt sign comes on, and the Captain makes the announcement, as you can tell we have begun our descent into XXX . And then, a little later on, you hear DING!! The FA comes on and says, ladies and gentleman in preparation for landing we ask that you turn off all electronic devices and stow them away, put away your tray tables and place your seats in the upright position for landing. In a few minutes we will be coming through the cabin to collect any items you wish to throw away prior to landing. Once again we want to thank you for flying Delta airlines and look forward to serving you in the near future.

Flight attendants, prepare for landing!

I'm sorry, I got on a roll, I am curious from some of the FAs on here how close I got to the real thing?  Smile I fly waaayyy too much!!


User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2654 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14596 times:



Quoting Summa767 (Reply 19):
Mr Terrorist will now have to make sure he takes a TomTom iphone with him so he knows when it's a good time to ignite the explosive powder. Or he may just have to look out of the window.

Or just ignite it a random place while on cruise. Why on earth is it important to know where you detonate the bomb?



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User currently offlineAirNz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14577 times:



Quoting UALWN (Reply 21):
Why on earth is it important to know where you detonate the bomb?

It's obviously not, as you correctly point out, and which is why I am convinced that in this 'latest' scenario the aircraft was never meant to be brought down at all nor was it in any danger.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 19):
No moving map? No IFE?

I wonder how everything existed before such as IFE and iphones? I seem to remember bombs had no trouble whatsoever being detonated at the correct time and place without them.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2809 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14512 times:

This is total BS! In your seat one hour before landing with nothing on your lap? Just sit there? No IFE either?

Is it a requirement to be a headless chicken before you can work in aviation security?

Is this just US flights? My next flight is LHR-FRA-NRT. Will I have to put up with crap along these lines on that?


User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1360 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14501 times:

I like the no blankies pillows. I can just imagine F/As waking people up on a redeye to confiscate blankets. That'll go over real well.

Especially when it is a baby's blankie, and well rules are rules so Jr. doesn't have his blankie and he squalls like a banshee for the last hour. mmmmm yeah.

And what about those neck thingies that both my wife & have so we can at least try to sleep comfortably in coach?

Why can't we just have Bruce Schneier or someone sane as head of DHS?



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User currently offlineATTart From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14581 times:

Quoting Csavel (Reply 24):
I like the no blankies pillows. I can just imagine F/As waking people up on a redeye to confiscate blankets. That'll go over real well.

I agree it is going to be real fun for us to enforce some of these rules. But remember it is now part of our job description that these new rules are followed on the airplane. So vent, whine and complain about these new and interesting rules here on this board and site. If, you need to vent or even complain even more do it in the car or with your travel mate. But do it before you get on the plane and do not take it our on your crew members working the flight. As, much as a lot of us may agree with you on these new measures. Again it is part of job that all new measure that are put in place are followed by pax. I can also tell you we will not tolerate anyone getting in our face about these new rules.

[Edited 2009-12-27 06:55:33]

[Edited 2009-12-27 06:57:26]


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User currently offlineSsublyme From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14564 times:

Ummm, I don't see how any of these new rules would have prevented this attack, so why impose new rules that would have no impact?  confused 

User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14492 times:



Quoting ATTart (Reply 26):
Again it is part of job that all new measure that are put in place are followed by pax. I can also tell you we will not tolerate anyone getting in our face about these new rules.

I totally agree with you, and you would never hear a peep out of me.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2809 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 15050 times:



Quoting Ssublyme (Reply 27):
Ummm, I don't see how any of these new rules would have prevented this attack, so why impose new rules that would have no impact?   

Let's be clear about something here. The attack FAILED!! The attack failed because either the guy was an idiot, which is not something we can count on every time. Even an idiot gets lucky once in a while. Or the attack failed because the passengers intervened to take him down.

Now what do the genius TSA come up with as a solution to the security problem? Immobilise all the other pax, the ones who need to be mobile in order to pounce on any terrorist. Brilliant! Bonuses all round!


25 Cm767 : OK no IFE and moving maps, what about the GPS on my carry-on?, They will think that I am a terrorist now?
26 ATTart : Thank you, that is all we ask. Again, I sure there is many crew member who do agree with what is being said here. We, have seen many rules that have
27 Mudboy : My question is, is it not the FAA that has come up with the new in flight rules? Correct me if I am wrong, but TSA has nothing to do with an aircraft
28 Haggis79 : while I understand your emotions completely, I disagree with the "don't complain, rules are rules" part. At some point the people will not only have
29 Elite : Obviously, whether we agree with the new regulations or not, we will follow them - or at least I hope. However, people like us who frequently travel m
30 ATTart : I am not saying do not complain, you can also write as many letters as you want. But, do not get in our face and get angry with us on the plane. I ca
31 TravelExec : Perhaps the attack failed because the current rules are sufficient to foil and attack - i.e. he couldnt get access to enough of whatever concoction h
32 NASCARAirforce : Is this only International flights or is this affecting domestic flights too? Yeah that means less people going thru security because they won't want
33 Nonrevman : I totally agree with secondary screenings at the airport, but think that converting the airplane into a prison the last hour of flight will do nothing
34 Rolypolyman : Why are the airlines and airport boards not lobbying to curtail these restrictions? Each new poorly-thought-out regulation almost certainly means decr
35 DXing : It was evidently a combination of the two. The explosive didn't burn rapidly enough to cause an "explosion" but rather just a fire, which is bad enou
36 ATTart : Remember these rules were just put in place. I am sure in time there will be push back from the airlines regarding some of these rules on the plane..
37 ATTart : Ok how's this for being vigilant? You or someone get in my face with civil disobedience on one of my flights. I yell help this pax is threatening me
38 Elite : Relax, dude. There is no need to take it so seriously. Yes, rules are rules and they should be obeyed, especially when it touches a sensitive topic l
39 Andahuailas : Amazing, a guy tries to bring on board explosives on his shoe, and the new rule is put the shoes through the x-ray a guy tries to blow himself an hour
40 Abrelosojos : = While I might agree with you in principal, your tone makes me feel afraid. Let me know the next flight/airline you work ... . Saludos, A.
41 Post contains links Srbmod : If you wish to discuss the IFE side of these new restrictions, please do so in this thread: Is There IFE Now? (by PIAflyer Dec 26 2009 in Civil Aviat
42 ATTart : I am very relaxed about it. I am just responding to the person who is offering civil disobedience on a flight to change these rules.[Edited 2009-12-2
43 Elite : According to Kip Hawley on 60 Minutes, the TSA indeed does have these "behavior experts" roaming US airports, looking for suspicious activity...
44 ATTart : LOL, I am very calm when I work. I am a person who wears a velvet glove with a iron fist under the glove. I just don't tolerate people getting my fac
45 Camohe : Flew into LAX on boxing day from SYD on VA 1 in business class. Extra security check at the gate before boarding including carry-on bag search, shoes
46 MadameConcorde : What if a woman brought needlepoint items in her carry-on such as threads and needles to work on during a long haul flight? Would the new security car
47 Haggis79 : actually, I did not mean to yell in your face or not to follow your instructions as a crewmember - I will complain, politely, but I will give you the
48 ATTart : Hope, not I would like to compare patterns with her!!
49 Jetstar : Big mistake, we all know when the airports were responsible for security, they went for the cheapest way and hired incompetent screeners at minimum w
50 DeltaAVL : Okay, this is ridiculous. If the airlines are saying this... "The airline advised U.S.-bound passengers to restrict their carryon item to "the absolut
51 ATTart : As, much as I would like to agree with you. It could cost me or my fellow FAs our job if we don't.
52 Haggis79 : well, I guess that would also depend on how many people are participating, union support and mostly on the support of you superiors.... but I do actu
53 FlyKev : This seems to be the over the top reaction to security that you come to expect these days after any form of terrorist attack. Let us remember the no h
54 Stitch : Those types of fees bring in over a billion dollars a year to some airlines (UA, for example). They're not about to stop them because they can't rais
55 ATTart : I can tell you that we do give feed back to our company and supervisors. I remember after 9/11 and all the new rules were put in place.. We did voice
56 Post contains links Hypercott : I have just heard about this new rumor: No electronics on international flights. I sure hope that this is not true... It would make life to hell and c
57 DeltaAVL : Right, but because the passenger will choose money, that means there's not going to be much, if any, decrease in the amount of carry-on luggage. Ther
58 MadameConcorde : Oh well... someone could come up with an explosive i-pod you know... or laptop. Now I wonder if they are implementing the same restrictions and secur
59 Evomutant : Hawaii would be a domestic flight... I'm assuming all this stuff only applies to international flights? Terrosism having been completely elimated, Po
60 Post contains images Stitch : I expect 787 sales to quickly accelerate, since the FAs can "hard-dim" the electronic window shades to both help people sleep and to keep terrorists f
61 Srbmod : Air Force One is a military a/c, these rules apply to international flights involving commercial a/c. Whatever restrictions that would be put in plac
62 AirNz : Sorry, but how exactly is removing checked baggage fees an issue of passenger safety? No-one is stopping anyone from checking baggage, and the facili
63 Post contains images DeltaAVL : I just see it as this - without fees, passengers will put more in checked luggage, which in turn reduces the amount of carry-on luggage. Less carry-o
64 Wedgetail737 : What's going to prevent the TSA from stealing stuff out of our checked luggage????
65 76794p : When I fly domestic I carry a backpack, will I have to check it when I fly CO.
66 BlatantEcho : Knee-Jerk Policy continues to replace common sense and rationality. After 9/11, all that needed to be said was "All Passengars and Crew are reminded t
67 Ohthedrama747 : This is just getting ridiculous. All it takes is one moron and now look what's happened. I'm flying to EWR from EDI on the 6th and I'm not looking for
68 Skyhawk62507 : Human decency, nothing more. So I see your point!
69 Skyhawk62507 : Two years ago I had the opportunity to fly a small two-seat aircraft up to Wisconsin for the annual AirVenture show. There wasn't enough room onboard
70 Haggis79 : Nothing is ever going to make me check my laptop, and my camera only if it made very clear that it is not me who is carrying the risk of theft... by
71 Haggis79 : well, two things: shipping items intercontinentally is likely to be way more expensive than $40. Apart from that, I can't affort to send my laptop to
72 C152driver : I am amazed at how brainless these new restrictions are. Do the terrorists just hand our government officials a script to follow? They must get a real
73 Copter808 : Yes, but you certainly have to give the FAA credit for coming up with something as restrictive and totally useless as this!
74 Post contains images Luftfahrer : The prescribed lack of the map feature of the IFE is just ridiculous. Do the US authorities not know aircraft have windows, and yes, one can actually
75 Haggis79 : don't give them ideas.... the manifacturers and airlines would like it a lot if they could get rid of windows, because they add weight and complexity
76 AirNz : No, not really because it is the responsibility of any traveler in choosing what they carry with them.
77 Dc9northwest : Here's a better idea. Administer an anesthetic upon boarding. That would take care of everything. And it would be a better idea than these rules. And
78 FrmrCAPCADET : no maps, well, what about wrist watches - they tell you when the floght is over. Maybe all passengers could be drugged unconscious? Nothing in your la
79 764 : OK, here's the big question: Does the TSA even have jurisdiction over flights coming in from foreign airports and why?
80 Moderators : One again: No posting of political comments/commentary in Civ-Av! The Non-Av Forum is the only forum in which political comments/commentary is allowed
81 Post contains links Viscount724 : That was already an issue earlier this year after several reports of exploding iPods. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...o-exploding-iPhones-and-
82 NYC2theworld : The Department of Homeland Security does of which the TSA is an agency of. In theory, when an airline transmits their APIS passenger/crew manifets, t
83 AirstairFear : Ummm... I don't believe the 100mL restriction has any relevance whatsoever when we are talking about things strapped to your leg. Nothing short of bo
84 StarAC17 : If this is true is it at all possible when I fly YYZ-LAX-NAN on Jan 26th can I tell the people at AC when I check in to simply check my backpack to L
85 Meristem : Madame Concorde, needlework seems to be the terrain of airport by airport policies. This summer my husband could travel outbound from SFO with his kni
86 Kaiarahi : If Air Canada's doing this, you can be sure it applies to all airlines, for exactly the reason you cite. Air Canada is not stupid.
87 MMEPHX : Just got off the DL CDG - SLC flight and noticed the following in effect: 1) pat down of ALL passengers in CDG at the gate prior to boarding 2) Search
88 Ushermittwoch : I wonder what the electronics ban has to do with this dude's actions. Last I heard, he did not use an iPod to set himself ablaze...
89 AirstairFear : I'm assuming this is so you cannot use a GPS receiver, handheld nav radio, etc to locate your position. It's likely they also don't want anyone to be
90 Ushermittwoch : So, I'd better not tell anybody that my Suunto watch has a GPS function that works pretty well...
91 Post contains links LimaNiner : Amen to that! I just read this article in the NYT, which contains this gem of wisdom: "The government was vague about the steps it was taking, saying
92 Glom : What about star charts if the flight is at night? That combined with a watch can be used to fix position.
93 Photopilot : Oh geezus, what a disaster for Airline PASSENGERS!!!! I regularly fly (as a passenger) from YYZ to the Caribbean and all the way down I just have to l
94 Luftfahrer : What if somebody needs to badly see the lav during this one hour where everyone is asked, or should I say, required to remain seated? The nature alway
95 AirstairFear : No light means no decent disaster photos. I'd guess you're pretty safe at night. They had better just bolt the windows shut and throw the switch on G
96 ATTart : True, and see what happened because he chose to be abusive the the FAs.
97 Post contains links Mortyman : Over 550 000 people are on the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment list ( The US inteligence agencys list of terrorists and possible persons wit
98 Theredbaron : Forgive me for not reading the whole thread but yesterday I read it all to find it closed... Well for starters 100% security is imposible in the curre
99 AndyGarrett : How is not being able to go potty for a non terrorist 1 hour prior to landing going to make things safer? It appears TSA is confusing passengers with
100 BMI727 : Never have so many people been victimized by a failed attack.
101 ATTart : I guess it has been updated regarding the 1 hour lav rule. If, a pax really has to go and they cannot wait. We as crew can escort the pax to the lave.
102 L410Turbolet : I don't think there is anything one can say against 1) and 2) as they indeed do provide additional security on the other hand 3) and 4) are simply ri
103 Luftfahrer : So true. Ordinary passengers treated like prison inmates. This can't be for real. No, no, no...
104 ATTart : Well it's either be escorted or hold it. Think of how much fun it is going to be for us to escort them and wait by the lav until they finished...
105 BMI727 : Probably not actually. I bet JPATS passengers get to take a leak less than an hour before landing, while you and I can't.
106 Luftfahrer : Neither of which should be the case. It's go on your own - when the seatbelt sign is off and/or the aircraft is flying stably enough. I don't blame y
107 AirstairFear : Kudos to them for allowing folks to use the lav now, but I just don't see what this escort solves. Can someone explain the rationale to me please? If
108 ATTart : This we can agree on totally. Don't get me wrong I still do love my job. I do still love seeing the world and experience the different cultures. But
109 BMI727 : JPATS is the pseudoairline set up by the Department of Justice and operated by Ryan International to transport prisoners around the country and depor
110 Glom : Bingo. It doesn't solve anything. That's because this is an incompetent hash tweak to incompetent hash rules that has succeeded in making stupidity e
111 Nonrevman : At least that is an improvement. Likely, you will be generally escorting those sick to their stomach, those who cannot control bowel functions, and p
112 Ushermittwoch : Also, how is this hour determined? An hour until the scheduled landing is to take place or an estimate? What happens if there is some kind of unexpec
113 Darthluke12694 : That is a good question. What if you end up having a 2 hour delay and you can't get up?
114 ARFFdude : Aren't pax already not allowed to use the lav when the fasten seat belt sign is on? I literally don't think I've ever seen that enforced...
115 Jbrusnak : Just saw a news report on TV talking about the new restrictions, some of which are discussed here already... - Remain in seats the last hour of flight
116 Darthluke12694 : I just saw on Fox News, that they are considering checking all carry-on luggage twice! Once by machine and once by hand.
117 Jrlander : I just sent e-mails to both my senators and the white house explaining my displeasure and feelings toward these restrictions. I encourage others to do
118 Elite : What? That's a sweeping, over-simplification generalization that isn't always true. There are thousands of routes that travel over densely populated
119 Spacecadet : Can I take the train from New York to Tokyo yet?
120 LipeGIG : Hope that they come soon with improved screening and name search procedures rather than this list or restrictions now in place. Yes, but crew use to b
121 Caribb : These new restrictions are for US bound flights only, I believe. I don't think you'll find the same rules on Air Canada flights that don't land in th
122 DeltaRules : I don't get any of this. I just don't. Might as well force us to stay seated from takeoff to landing regardless of flight time & ban us from moving...
123 Caribb : Here's a novel idea....stick a projector on the ceiling and show a film on a big screen in the front of the cabin..... welcome to the 21st century.
124 DeltaRules : Oh, I know. I'm one of the few people that still considers the overhead screens entertainment & packs a book if the movie isn't great. I just see so
125 Caribb : These new rules suck for lack of a better term... I feel for you all. If the government only responded to car accidents as quickly and as harshly the
126 Jhooper : Does GoGo Internet still work? If airshow doesn't work, one could easily connect to the Internet and then use Flight Explorer, etc, to track the plane
127 Elite : Apparently all internet / satellite devices are now banned too.
128 Av8rDAL : Can't wait to go to LAS in a week and a half for the CES Show. Planes will be packed full of techies without access to their devices. Better take a st
129 Elite : Wait till they find out a way to make explosives with peanuts...
130 Beeweel15 : To be on the safer side everyone should ship your bags ahead then travel naked that way everything is out so no one can hide anything.
131 Post contains links Tennis69 : http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2785733.ece If there is any truth to this article, what will be the next round of rules to come from
132 Dampfnudel : You get escorted like a child to the lav.
133 Aloha717200 : I feel that we're beginning to see the death of air travel as we knew it. It's painful to see an industry we've all loved turn into something akin to
134 Sebring : If you read about this, the plot is as good as dead. It sounds as if the police have these dudes red-circled.
135 FlyMIA : Why not just hand search everything and every person? And forget about this stupid restrictions. Hand searching everything while yes will take much lo
136 DocLightning : No. They would make every car require so many safety devices that it would be impossible to drive safely. Just like they've done here.
137 Legacytravel : I understand that this is AC doing this but if a domestic airline does this I would assume that the passenger would be charged the checked luggage fe
138 Deltaflyertoo : Is this for US domestic flights as well or Int'l flights to/from US only? SOrry if already addressed but at 137 posts and the media not being forhtrig
139 PSU.DTW.SCE : I am so beyond irrated with these stupid terrorists I can't even find words. What I don't understand is: 1) Why is everything so knee-jerk for aviatio
140 Aloha717200 : BA's website says that passengers traveling FROM the USA to other countries will not be affected by this and will be allowed the usual two carryon ite
141 UALWN : Except that the people sleeping will have to be woken up one hour before landing in order to collect their pillows and blankets... I wonder this myse
142 Kaiarahi : Suppose 20% of these people take a flight each year and 10% of those flights are to the U.S. (which is probably higher than actuals)? Wouldn't it be
143 Kaiarahi : And you'll have to put your novel away as well. It's Dickensian elementary school time again - sit quietly for an hour with your hands on your head a
144 Elite : I'm wondering, is it time to realize that it is impossible to stop 100% of all terrorists from smuggling things on board? I mean, until regulations ar
145 PanHAM : FX has been mentioned to ship laptops in advance to your destination. That worlks doemsztic eventually, not internationally since all shipments must c
146 Elite : I suppose an airplane is much more isolated, and almost impossible to intercept. Subways and trains must follow a track, stadiums cannot move, but ai
147 Mudboy : I will not be flying home to the states for another 3 months, and I wonder how much of this will change between now and then? From the friends that I
148 Post contains links Elite : Changes are already being made to the security requirements that the TSA has set for airlines operating flights to/ from the United States, according
149 Glom : Standard operating procedure. Finally, some common sense. Yeah, airports suck. But the difference between more offensive airport security and this in
150 MMEPHX : TSA probably figured out that looking out of the window provided a clue to the aircraft location. The Richard Reid shoe bomber and the DL incident on
151 AABB777 : Correct. Only US-bound flights will have the one carry-on bag policy. You will be allowed two pieces of carry-on luggage for your JFK-LHR flight.
152 Contrails : I think that about sums it up. Yes, but that's to be expected with bureaucrats (of any political persuasion). Agreed. Taking the maps away won't dete
153 UALWN : I haven't read about the "quietly" part anywhere. So, during this hour without books, IPods, IFE, etc., it will be much easier, and it will look "nat
154 Elite : And just as you're about to join the mile high club - damnit, no using the lavatories!!!! Unless you turn the train stations into an airport, complet
155 HermansCVR580 : Unfreakin real!!! These idiots that come up with these rules are terriosts in their own right. Can we book flights on JPATS the level of service and t
156 Bond007 : LOL ....oh, c',mon guys please So we MIGHT have to sit down for up to 30 minutes longer than usual, and we HAVE to follow crew member instructions ab
157 Glom : You clearly didn't live in Britain during the height of the Troubles.
158 Revo1059 : Typical kneejerk reaction to an event. Instead of intelligently working on a way to fix whatever broke down in the system, let's drop the hammer on ev
159 Aloha717200 : Thank you. So, it seems I'm not the only one who wants to know this, but the new restrictions ONLY apply to International flights inbound to the USA?
160 Elite : Yes, I didn't, and I suppose there were attacks on trains between India and Pakistan during the 1940's. But what was done back then to prevent attack
161 Post contains links ATTart : Who, didn't see this coming. If this does hold up, you know the airlines are going to push back against the new rules.. http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/2
162 Evomutant : Public vigilance. You don't go five minutes at a London Underground station without hearing announcements about baggae and reporting anything suspico
163 Elite : That's what is being done right now. F/A's are alert, passengers are alert, and the TSA / DHS needs to stop worrying about ridiculous "1 hour" rules
164 Post contains images ATTart : So true for that. I so wish they would come to the airlines first to ask what do you think would be the best to implement during a flight. We, are th
165 Post contains links Elite : I just saw an interview by CBS with Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano. Needless to say, I am unimpressed with the responses that Napolit
166 AirNz : Where have we seen it happen "over and over again"? Sorry, but in the 'front line' of what exactly? If what you say is valid then why aren't individu
167 ATTart : Yea, CNN has just confirmed that they have modified some of the new rules. That the part of remaining seated 1 hour before landing and the pillow, bla
168 ATTart : No it does not. The new rules that were imposed was way out there. The airlines do know what would work and what is just plain stupid.[Edited 2009-12
169 UALWN : Or in Spain during the years ETA was active. Wait, they still are...
170 DocLightning : I did. Except, because DHS is part of the executive branch, I sent a letter (paper) to Obama and CC'ed it to Secretary Napolitano. But, like in Baseb
171 Ohthedrama747 : I was always under the impression that when this was on you had to be seated. End of discussion. Interesting indeed, and I think the most sensible ru
172 Stitch : Back in the 1980's I booked a package where I flew a BA Concorde to LHR from JFK and then took the QE2 back. Maybe British Airways will resurrect thi
173 Isitsafenow : Some of the comments in #156 you listed are not off base. There comes a time when you say enough is enough with this airport thing. I flew 12 R T's l
174 Bond007 : I flew 110 trips last year, so fully understand the hassles involved in travelling. I'm not agreeing that these recent changes make any sense at all
175 VonRichtofen : I really hope these restrictions are temporary. It looks like it's gearing up to be another day of chaos at YYC thanks to severely delayed US flights.
176 CokePopper : I just heard the same thing....Thats great news! In short it was just a big "nevermind"
177 BOACCunard : I don't think BA will sell it to you, but Cunard certainly will sell you a QM2 crossing in combination with a flight on BA or any other airline you w
178 Revo1059 : Yes, somebody actually realized how ridiculous those rules were.
179 Alasdair1982 : An anecdotal report about a BA flight to the USA today suggested that cabin crew had already relaxed the 1 hour rule (although passengers were monito
180 Post contains links JohnYYC : Effective immediately no carry on items. http://www.catsa-acsta.gc.ca/Page.as...=77&pname=measures_mesures&lang=en
181 Cvervais : Somehow my post got totally mangled despite looking just fine in the preview. Anyways, what I posted was that it's not a total ban. You're still allow
182 AirstairFear : At least the site says cameras, laptops, and musical instruments are still allowed. Note to terrorists: Hide your explosives inside your metal saxoph
183 BOACCunard : I really don't care if all carry-on baggage other than cameras, laptops and musical instruments is banned. This could even be spun as a convenience:
184 LTBEWR : For example, if someone has a device for sleep disorders, that can (and would continue) be brought on along with a modest tote bag of personal stuff
185 Rcair1 : Same here - went from 130K in 2008 to 22K miles in 2009. Job did not change, I found new ways to do it. Not true - we are spending the money on high
186 Jhooper : Here's an idea. When I was in elementary school, the lunch lady would put a teddy bear on the table, meaning there was "no talking" allowed. Then, if
187 Contrails : Good idea. And pax could all sit at attention and state "We're all in our places with bright smiley faces", and maybe have a song or two before we bu
188 Bond007 : Like I said, if you had to be there, you'd fly, regardless of the 'hassles'. Video conferencing is a cost-effective sensible alternative to flying, a
189 Elite : I think that argument is dying. These restrictions won't last, obviously, and people are already talking of being able to use cell phones on flights,
190 Ckfred : Jhooper: To answer your question: "Is that really effective? If I were a good terrorist, I'd probably have a good answer for all their questions (and
191 LimaNiner : I dunno -- it's been almost a decade since the shoe bomber failed, and I still take my shoes off at security...
192 MadameConcorde : Another idea is to do two transatlantics back to back on Queen Mary 2. It is sad thar they are now using the Brooklyin cruise terminal for the Big La
193 RwSEA : I for one am glad to see these idiotic measures being pulled back now that the hysteria is subsiding. Consider the new rules and whether they would ha
194 Solair : I was listening to some talk radio shows here in Ireland today and a *LOT* of callers were canceling trips to Florida and also California. They're qui
195 FrmrCAPCADET : Whether business or pleasure some trips are almost utterly necessary. Others are totally optional. Most occur some wheres in between. I used to drive
196 Ohthedrama747 : Nice to see these ridiculous measures are being rolled back. Travelling to EWR on the 6th and I've been watching the flights delays since this happene
197 Nonrevman : I think this is becoming more true, but not necessarily because of the government's attempts to make the in-flight experience more miserable. The dol
198 StarAC17 : It won't stay that way because if many people think like you then the airlines can blame future losses strictly on the TSA and the DHS and not misman
199 BOACCunard : Well, if one is using her for transport, back to back won't do one any good unless one is only looking to visit Southampton for a few hours. Using it
200 Kaiarahi : The rule (yes - I know it's now relaxed) said you can't stand up. It didn't say you can't crawl to the lav doggy-style. Look at the context, please.
201 764 : So essentially, terrorists now have to shove their explosives up their behinds a little further (and then just as easily obtain them on the aircraft l
202 Bond007 : Ummm... then it's not "rubbish" is it? You just explained exactly how your staff didn't need to spend that money travelling ... it's more effective f
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