Elite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 3029 posts, RR: 10 Posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17073 times:
* To save time for moderators, please keep this thread free of political arguments or debates; this thread is for the discussion of the new security measures that the Transportation Security Administration has apparently put on airlines flying into the United States.
The new steps that are imposed appear have yet to be officially announced by the TSA, but airlines such as Air Canada have announced them and major newspapers have reported them. The major restrictions are:
- Passengers must remain in their seat with no personal items on their laps one hour before landing.
- Overseas passengers will be restricted to one carry on baggage.
- Air Canada has apparently restricted all carry-on's to personal items, and all roller bags or backpacks will have to be checked in.
The newest restrictions have undoubtedly been one of the most dramatic restrictions in recent memories. The "one hour before landing" rule severely - and possibly unnecessarily - restricts passenger movement throughout the cabin. Will these changes be permanent? And will passengers just gradually accept the fact that with every threat that is uncovered, lots of highly restrictive measures will be placed?
Elite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 3029 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17054 times:
Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 2): If I can't bring those, UPS or FedEx to my destination it is.
I've heard about people doing that, but how expensive is it? I usually pack a lot for my trips, as I make a lot of long-distance trips (10+ hours of flying), so I don't think its economically feasible for me to do that every time. I've always wondered if it is really worth it.
Kaiarahi From Canada, joined Jul 2009, 3392 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16767 times:
Air Canada has also announced that all pax on U.S. bound flights and their carry-on baggage will be hand-searched twice - at security screening and again at the gate when boarding. the airline#s website also indicates that the anticipated delays are expected to affect pax with ongoing connections through the U.S. I'm guessing that pax will need to arrive at the airport about 4 hours before their flight. This certainly makes travel to/through the U.S. unappealing.
The hand-search at the gate should be fairly quick, although I haven't had any experience with the new system. Traveling from HKG to the United States, I had my carry-on bag searched before boarding, but with the apparent 100% hand search at the security screening will sure make lines very, very long.
DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 10525 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16621 times:
Quoting Elite (Thread starter): - Passengers must remain in their seat with no personal items on their laps one hour before landing.
wouldn't count on this one staying. The TSA did the same thing after 9/11 and all it ended up being a pain in the ass(and gone pretty quick). If they want to really do something(while it woud cost money) lets dump the TSA idea, Go back to the airlines/airports doing it and use that money to put a FAM on every US plane.
AirNz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16597 times:
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 8): Air Canada has also announced that all pax on U.S. bound flights and their carry-on baggage will be hand-searched twice - at security screening and again at the gate when boarding.
In this case, out of curiosity, what are they going to be looking for now that they weren't supposedly doing before?
Csavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16507 times:
Well the moving map will kill the only part of most IFE that is fun and appealing.
Eventually we'll all have to apply for licenses to be allowed to travel, maybe we'll be forced to book all our travel through "travel agents" who'll pre-screen all of us. Which is what Janet (Why should the border between crabapple cove VT & pomme de Crab Quebec be so free & easy when we in AZ have harsh border controls) Napolitano desperately wants.
Note that none of these measures will address the failures of those responsible for this. The one hour lockdown & the no moving map is particularly hilarious.
I may be ugly. I may be an American. But don't call me an ugly American.
Summa767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2671 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16478 times:
No moving map? No IFE?
Mr Terrorist will now have to make sure he takes a TomTom iphone with him so he knows when it's a good time to ignite the explosive powder. Or he may just have to look out of the window.
Mudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16378 times:
Quoting Csavel (Reply 18): Note that none of these measures will address the failures of those responsible for this. The one hour lockdown & the no moving map is particularly hilarious.
I have to agree, that I am waiting for someone to give a logical explanation to how this will stop anything? When I travel I always set watch to the destination timezone and start my stopwatch on the takeoff roll. Also, as stated before, most people can feel when the plane starts to descend, and the seat belt sign comes on, and the Captain makes the announcement, as you can tell we have begun our descent into XXX . And then, a little later on, you hear DING!! The FA comes on and says, ladies and gentleman in preparation for landing we ask that you turn off all electronic devices and stow them away, put away your tray tables and place your seats in the upright position for landing. In a few minutes we will be coming through the cabin to collect any items you wish to throw away prior to landing. Once again we want to thank you for flying Delta airlines and look forward to serving you in the near future.
Flight attendants, prepare for landing!
I'm sorry, I got on a roll, I am curious from some of the FAs on here how close I got to the real thing? I fly waaayyy too much!!
UALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 3282 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16266 times:
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 19): Mr Terrorist will now have to make sure he takes a TomTom iphone with him so he knows when it's a good time to ignite the explosive powder. Or he may just have to look out of the window.
Or just ignite it a random place while on cruise. Why on earth is it important to know where you detonate the bomb?
ATTart From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16251 times:
Quoting Csavel (Reply 24): I like the no blankies pillows. I can just imagine F/As waking people up on a redeye to confiscate blankets. That'll go over real well.
I agree it is going to be real fun for us to enforce some of these rules. But remember it is now part of our job description that these new rules are followed on the airplane. So vent, whine and complain about these new and interesting rules here on this board and site. If, you need to vent or even complain even more do it in the car or with your travel mate. But do it before you get on the plane and do not take it our on your crew members working the flight. As, much as a lot of us may agree with you on these new measures. Again it is part of job that all new measure that are put in place are followed by pax. I can also tell you we will not tolerate anyone getting in our face about these new rules.
[Edited 2009-12-27 06:55:33]
[Edited 2009-12-27 06:57:26]
Remember: When someone talks behind your back, it only means you're two steps ahead of them!
Mudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 16162 times:
Quoting ATTart (Reply 26): Again it is part of job that all new measure that are put in place are followed by pax. I can also tell you we will not tolerate anyone getting in our face about these new rules.
I totally agree with you, and you would never hear a peep out of me.
Glom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2823 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 16720 times:
Quoting Ssublyme (Reply 27): Ummm, I don't see how any of these new rules would have prevented this attack, so why impose new rules that would have no impact?
Let's be clear about something here. The attack FAILED!! The attack failed because either the guy was an idiot, which is not something we can count on every time. Even an idiot gets lucky once in a while. Or the attack failed because the passengers intervened to take him down.
Now what do the genius TSA come up with as a solution to the security problem? Immobilise all the other pax, the ones who need to be mobile in order to pounce on any terrorist. Brilliant! Bonuses all round!
: OK no IFE and moving maps, what about the GPS on my carry-on?, They will think that I am a terrorist now?
: Thank you, that is all we ask. Again, I sure there is many crew member who do agree with what is being said here. We, have seen many rules that have
: My question is, is it not the FAA that has come up with the new in flight rules? Correct me if I am wrong, but TSA has nothing to do with an aircraft
: while I understand your emotions completely, I disagree with the "don't complain, rules are rules" part. At some point the people will not only have
: Obviously, whether we agree with the new regulations or not, we will follow them - or at least I hope. However, people like us who frequently travel m
: I am not saying do not complain, you can also write as many letters as you want. But, do not get in our face and get angry with us on the plane. I ca
: Perhaps the attack failed because the current rules are sufficient to foil and attack - i.e. he couldnt get access to enough of whatever concoction h
: Is this only International flights or is this affecting domestic flights too? Yeah that means less people going thru security because they won't want
: I totally agree with secondary screenings at the airport, but think that converting the airplane into a prison the last hour of flight will do nothing
: Why are the airlines and airport boards not lobbying to curtail these restrictions? Each new poorly-thought-out regulation almost certainly means decr
: It was evidently a combination of the two. The explosive didn't burn rapidly enough to cause an "explosion" but rather just a fire, which is bad enou
: Remember these rules were just put in place. I am sure in time there will be push back from the airlines regarding some of these rules on the plane..
: Ok how's this for being vigilant? You or someone get in my face with civil disobedience on one of my flights. I yell help this pax is threatening me
: Relax, dude. There is no need to take it so seriously. Yes, rules are rules and they should be obeyed, especially when it touches a sensitive topic l
: Amazing, a guy tries to bring on board explosives on his shoe, and the new rule is put the shoes through the x-ray a guy tries to blow himself an hour
: = While I might agree with you in principal, your tone makes me feel afraid. Let me know the next flight/airline you work ... . Saludos, A.
: If you wish to discuss the IFE side of these new restrictions, please do so in this thread: Is There IFE Now? (by PIAflyer Dec 26 2009 in Civil Aviat
: I am very relaxed about it. I am just responding to the person who is offering civil disobedience on a flight to change these rules.[Edited 2009-12-2
: According to Kip Hawley on 60 Minutes, the TSA indeed does have these "behavior experts" roaming US airports, looking for suspicious activity...
: LOL, I am very calm when I work. I am a person who wears a velvet glove with a iron fist under the glove. I just don't tolerate people getting my fac
: Flew into LAX on boxing day from SYD on VA 1 in business class. Extra security check at the gate before boarding including carry-on bag search, shoes
: What if a woman brought needlepoint items in her carry-on such as threads and needles to work on during a long haul flight? Would the new security car
: actually, I did not mean to yell in your face or not to follow your instructions as a crewmember - I will complain, politely, but I will give you the
: Hope, not I would like to compare patterns with her!!
: Big mistake, we all know when the airports were responsible for security, they went for the cheapest way and hired incompetent screeners at minimum w
: Okay, this is ridiculous. If the airlines are saying this... "The airline advised U.S.-bound passengers to restrict their carryon item to "the absolut
: As, much as I would like to agree with you. It could cost me or my fellow FAs our job if we don't.
: well, I guess that would also depend on how many people are participating, union support and mostly on the support of you superiors.... but I do actu
: This seems to be the over the top reaction to security that you come to expect these days after any form of terrorist attack. Let us remember the no h
: Those types of fees bring in over a billion dollars a year to some airlines (UA, for example). They're not about to stop them because they can't rais
: I can tell you that we do give feed back to our company and supervisors. I remember after 9/11 and all the new rules were put in place.. We did voice
: I have just heard about this new rumor: No electronics on international flights. I sure hope that this is not true... It would make life to hell and c
: Right, but because the passenger will choose money, that means there's not going to be much, if any, decrease in the amount of carry-on luggage. Ther
: Oh well... someone could come up with an explosive i-pod you know... or laptop. Now I wonder if they are implementing the same restrictions and secur
: Hawaii would be a domestic flight... I'm assuming all this stuff only applies to international flights? Terrosism having been completely elimated, Po
: I expect 787 sales to quickly accelerate, since the FAs can "hard-dim" the electronic window shades to both help people sleep and to keep terrorists f
: Air Force One is a military a/c, these rules apply to international flights involving commercial a/c. Whatever restrictions that would be put in plac
: Sorry, but how exactly is removing checked baggage fees an issue of passenger safety? No-one is stopping anyone from checking baggage, and the facili
: I just see it as this - without fees, passengers will put more in checked luggage, which in turn reduces the amount of carry-on luggage. Less carry-o
: What's going to prevent the TSA from stealing stuff out of our checked luggage????
: When I fly domestic I carry a backpack, will I have to check it when I fly CO.
: Knee-Jerk Policy continues to replace common sense and rationality. After 9/11, all that needed to be said was "All Passengars and Crew are reminded t
: This is just getting ridiculous. All it takes is one moron and now look what's happened. I'm flying to EWR from EDI on the 6th and I'm not looking for
: Human decency, nothing more. So I see your point!
: Two years ago I had the opportunity to fly a small two-seat aircraft up to Wisconsin for the annual AirVenture show. There wasn't enough room onboard
: Nothing is ever going to make me check my laptop, and my camera only if it made very clear that it is not me who is carrying the risk of theft... by
: well, two things: shipping items intercontinentally is likely to be way more expensive than $40. Apart from that, I can't affort to send my laptop to
: I am amazed at how brainless these new restrictions are. Do the terrorists just hand our government officials a script to follow? They must get a real
: Yes, but you certainly have to give the FAA credit for coming up with something as restrictive and totally useless as this!
: The prescribed lack of the map feature of the IFE is just ridiculous. Do the US authorities not know aircraft have windows, and yes, one can actually
: don't give them ideas.... the manifacturers and airlines would like it a lot if they could get rid of windows, because they add weight and complexity
: No, not really because it is the responsibility of any traveler in choosing what they carry with them.
: Here's a better idea. Administer an anesthetic upon boarding. That would take care of everything. And it would be a better idea than these rules. And
: no maps, well, what about wrist watches - they tell you when the floght is over. Maybe all passengers could be drugged unconscious? Nothing in your la
: OK, here's the big question: Does the TSA even have jurisdiction over flights coming in from foreign airports and why?
: One again: No posting of political comments/commentary in Civ-Av! The Non-Av Forum is the only forum in which political comments/commentary is allowed
: That was already an issue earlier this year after several reports of exploding iPods. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolog...o-exploding-iPhones-and-
: The Department of Homeland Security does of which the TSA is an agency of. In theory, when an airline transmits their APIS passenger/crew manifets, t
: Ummm... I don't believe the 100mL restriction has any relevance whatsoever when we are talking about things strapped to your leg. Nothing short of bo
: If this is true is it at all possible when I fly YYZ-LAX-NAN on Jan 26th can I tell the people at AC when I check in to simply check my backpack to L
: Madame Concorde, needlework seems to be the terrain of airport by airport policies. This summer my husband could travel outbound from SFO with his kni
: If Air Canada's doing this, you can be sure it applies to all airlines, for exactly the reason you cite. Air Canada is not stupid.
: Just got off the DL CDG - SLC flight and noticed the following in effect: 1) pat down of ALL passengers in CDG at the gate prior to boarding 2) Search
: I wonder what the electronics ban has to do with this dude's actions. Last I heard, he did not use an iPod to set himself ablaze...
: I'm assuming this is so you cannot use a GPS receiver, handheld nav radio, etc to locate your position. It's likely they also don't want anyone to be
: So, I'd better not tell anybody that my Suunto watch has a GPS function that works pretty well...
: Amen to that! I just read this article in the NYT, which contains this gem of wisdom: "The government was vague about the steps it was taking, saying
: What about star charts if the flight is at night? That combined with a watch can be used to fix position.
: Oh geezus, what a disaster for Airline PASSENGERS!!!! I regularly fly (as a passenger) from YYZ to the Caribbean and all the way down I just have to l
: What if somebody needs to badly see the lav during this one hour where everyone is asked, or should I say, required to remain seated? The nature alway
: No light means no decent disaster photos. I'd guess you're pretty safe at night. They had better just bolt the windows shut and throw the switch on G
: True, and see what happened because he chose to be abusive the the FAs.
: Over 550 000 people are on the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment list ( The US inteligence agencys list of terrorists and possible persons wit
: Forgive me for not reading the whole thread but yesterday I read it all to find it closed... Well for starters 100% security is imposible in the curre
: How is not being able to go potty for a non terrorist 1 hour prior to landing going to make things safer? It appears TSA is confusing passengers with
: Never have so many people been victimized by a failed attack.
: I guess it has been updated regarding the 1 hour lav rule. If, a pax really has to go and they cannot wait. We as crew can escort the pax to the lave.
: I don't think there is anything one can say against 1) and 2) as they indeed do provide additional security on the other hand 3) and 4) are simply ri
: So true. Ordinary passengers treated like prison inmates. This can't be for real. No, no, no...
: Well it's either be escorted or hold it. Think of how much fun it is going to be for us to escort them and wait by the lav until they finished...
: Probably not actually. I bet JPATS passengers get to take a leak less than an hour before landing, while you and I can't.
: Neither of which should be the case. It's go on your own - when the seatbelt sign is off and/or the aircraft is flying stably enough. I don't blame y
: Kudos to them for allowing folks to use the lav now, but I just don't see what this escort solves. Can someone explain the rationale to me please? If
: This we can agree on totally. Don't get me wrong I still do love my job. I do still love seeing the world and experience the different cultures. But
: JPATS is the pseudoairline set up by the Department of Justice and operated by Ryan International to transport prisoners around the country and depor
: Bingo. It doesn't solve anything. That's because this is an incompetent hash tweak to incompetent hash rules that has succeeded in making stupidity e
: At least that is an improvement. Likely, you will be generally escorting those sick to their stomach, those who cannot control bowel functions, and p
: Also, how is this hour determined? An hour until the scheduled landing is to take place or an estimate? What happens if there is some kind of unexpec
: That is a good question. What if you end up having a 2 hour delay and you can't get up?
: Aren't pax already not allowed to use the lav when the fasten seat belt sign is on? I literally don't think I've ever seen that enforced...
: Just saw a news report on TV talking about the new restrictions, some of which are discussed here already... - Remain in seats the last hour of flight
: I just saw on Fox News, that they are considering checking all carry-on luggage twice! Once by machine and once by hand.
: I just sent e-mails to both my senators and the white house explaining my displeasure and feelings toward these restrictions. I encourage others to do
: What? That's a sweeping, over-simplification generalization that isn't always true. There are thousands of routes that travel over densely populated
: Can I take the train from New York to Tokyo yet?
: Hope that they come soon with improved screening and name search procedures rather than this list or restrictions now in place. Yes, but crew use to b
: These new restrictions are for US bound flights only, I believe. I don't think you'll find the same rules on Air Canada flights that don't land in th
: I don't get any of this. I just don't. Might as well force us to stay seated from takeoff to landing regardless of flight time & ban us from moving...
: Here's a novel idea....stick a projector on the ceiling and show a film on a big screen in the front of the cabin..... welcome to the 21st century.
: Oh, I know. I'm one of the few people that still considers the overhead screens entertainment & packs a book if the movie isn't great. I just see so
: These new rules suck for lack of a better term... I feel for you all. If the government only responded to car accidents as quickly and as harshly the
: Does GoGo Internet still work? If airshow doesn't work, one could easily connect to the Internet and then use Flight Explorer, etc, to track the plane
: Apparently all internet / satellite devices are now banned too.
: Can't wait to go to LAS in a week and a half for the CES Show. Planes will be packed full of techies without access to their devices. Better take a st
: Wait till they find out a way to make explosives with peanuts...
: To be on the safer side everyone should ship your bags ahead then travel naked that way everything is out so no one can hide anything.
: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2785733.ece If there is any truth to this article, what will be the next round of rules to come from
: You get escorted like a child to the lav.
: I feel that we're beginning to see the death of air travel as we knew it. It's painful to see an industry we've all loved turn into something akin to
: If you read about this, the plot is as good as dead. It sounds as if the police have these dudes red-circled.
: Why not just hand search everything and every person? And forget about this stupid restrictions. Hand searching everything while yes will take much lo
: No. They would make every car require so many safety devices that it would be impossible to drive safely. Just like they've done here.
: I understand that this is AC doing this but if a domestic airline does this I would assume that the passenger would be charged the checked luggage fe
: Is this for US domestic flights as well or Int'l flights to/from US only? SOrry if already addressed but at 137 posts and the media not being forhtrig
: I am so beyond irrated with these stupid terrorists I can't even find words. What I don't understand is: 1) Why is everything so knee-jerk for aviatio
: BA's website says that passengers traveling FROM the USA to other countries will not be affected by this and will be allowed the usual two carryon ite
: Except that the people sleeping will have to be woken up one hour before landing in order to collect their pillows and blankets... I wonder this myse
: Suppose 20% of these people take a flight each year and 10% of those flights are to the U.S. (which is probably higher than actuals)? Wouldn't it be
: And you'll have to put your novel away as well. It's Dickensian elementary school time again - sit quietly for an hour with your hands on your head a
: I'm wondering, is it time to realize that it is impossible to stop 100% of all terrorists from smuggling things on board? I mean, until regulations ar
: FX has been mentioned to ship laptops in advance to your destination. That worlks doemsztic eventually, not internationally since all shipments must c
: I suppose an airplane is much more isolated, and almost impossible to intercept. Subways and trains must follow a track, stadiums cannot move, but ai
: I will not be flying home to the states for another 3 months, and I wonder how much of this will change between now and then? From the friends that I
: Changes are already being made to the security requirements that the TSA has set for airlines operating flights to/ from the United States, according
: Standard operating procedure. Finally, some common sense. Yeah, airports suck. But the difference between more offensive airport security and this in
: TSA probably figured out that looking out of the window provided a clue to the aircraft location. The Richard Reid shoe bomber and the DL incident on
: Correct. Only US-bound flights will have the one carry-on bag policy. You will be allowed two pieces of carry-on luggage for your JFK-LHR flight.
: I think that about sums it up. Yes, but that's to be expected with bureaucrats (of any political persuasion). Agreed. Taking the maps away won't dete
: I haven't read about the "quietly" part anywhere. So, during this hour without books, IPods, IFE, etc., it will be much easier, and it will look "nat
: And just as you're about to join the mile high club - damnit, no using the lavatories!!!! Unless you turn the train stations into an airport, complet
: Unfreakin real!!! These idiots that come up with these rules are terriosts in their own right. Can we book flights on JPATS the level of service and t
: LOL ....oh, c',mon guys please So we MIGHT have to sit down for up to 30 minutes longer than usual, and we HAVE to follow crew member instructions ab
: You clearly didn't live in Britain during the height of the Troubles.
: Typical kneejerk reaction to an event. Instead of intelligently working on a way to fix whatever broke down in the system, let's drop the hammer on ev
: Thank you. So, it seems I'm not the only one who wants to know this, but the new restrictions ONLY apply to International flights inbound to the USA?
: Yes, I didn't, and I suppose there were attacks on trains between India and Pakistan during the 1940's. But what was done back then to prevent attack
: Who, didn't see this coming. If this does hold up, you know the airlines are going to push back against the new rules.. http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/2
: Public vigilance. You don't go five minutes at a London Underground station without hearing announcements about baggae and reporting anything suspico
: That's what is being done right now. F/A's are alert, passengers are alert, and the TSA / DHS needs to stop worrying about ridiculous "1 hour" rules
: So true for that. I so wish they would come to the airlines first to ask what do you think would be the best to implement during a flight. We, are th
: I just saw an interview by CBS with Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano. Needless to say, I am unimpressed with the responses that Napolit
: Where have we seen it happen "over and over again"? Sorry, but in the 'front line' of what exactly? If what you say is valid then why aren't individu
: Yea, CNN has just confirmed that they have modified some of the new rules. That the part of remaining seated 1 hour before landing and the pillow, bla
: No it does not. The new rules that were imposed was way out there. The airlines do know what would work and what is just plain stupid.[Edited 2009-12
: Or in Spain during the years ETA was active. Wait, they still are...
: I did. Except, because DHS is part of the executive branch, I sent a letter (paper) to Obama and CC'ed it to Secretary Napolitano. But, like in Baseb
: I was always under the impression that when this was on you had to be seated. End of discussion. Interesting indeed, and I think the most sensible ru
: Back in the 1980's I booked a package where I flew a BA Concorde to LHR from JFK and then took the QE2 back. Maybe British Airways will resurrect thi
: Some of the comments in #156 you listed are not off base. There comes a time when you say enough is enough with this airport thing. I flew 12 R T's l
: I flew 110 trips last year, so fully understand the hassles involved in travelling. I'm not agreeing that these recent changes make any sense at all
: I really hope these restrictions are temporary. It looks like it's gearing up to be another day of chaos at YYC thanks to severely delayed US flights.
: I just heard the same thing....Thats great news! In short it was just a big "nevermind"
: I don't think BA will sell it to you, but Cunard certainly will sell you a QM2 crossing in combination with a flight on BA or any other airline you w
: Yes, somebody actually realized how ridiculous those rules were.
: An anecdotal report about a BA flight to the USA today suggested that cabin crew had already relaxed the 1 hour rule (although passengers were monito
: Effective immediately no carry on items. http://www.catsa-acsta.gc.ca/Page.as...=77&pname=measures_mesures&lang=en
: Somehow my post got totally mangled despite looking just fine in the preview. Anyways, what I posted was that it's not a total ban. You're still allow
: At least the site says cameras, laptops, and musical instruments are still allowed. Note to terrorists: Hide your explosives inside your metal saxoph
: I really don't care if all carry-on baggage other than cameras, laptops and musical instruments is banned. This could even be spun as a convenience:
: For example, if someone has a device for sleep disorders, that can (and would continue) be brought on along with a modest tote bag of personal stuff
: Same here - went from 130K in 2008 to 22K miles in 2009. Job did not change, I found new ways to do it. Not true - we are spending the money on high
: Here's an idea. When I was in elementary school, the lunch lady would put a teddy bear on the table, meaning there was "no talking" allowed. Then, if
: Good idea. And pax could all sit at attention and state "We're all in our places with bright smiley faces", and maybe have a song or two before we bu
: Like I said, if you had to be there, you'd fly, regardless of the 'hassles'. Video conferencing is a cost-effective sensible alternative to flying, a
: I think that argument is dying. These restrictions won't last, obviously, and people are already talking of being able to use cell phones on flights,
: Jhooper: To answer your question: "Is that really effective? If I were a good terrorist, I'd probably have a good answer for all their questions (and
: I dunno -- it's been almost a decade since the shoe bomber failed, and I still take my shoes off at security...
: Another idea is to do two transatlantics back to back on Queen Mary 2. It is sad thar they are now using the Brooklyin cruise terminal for the Big La
: I for one am glad to see these idiotic measures being pulled back now that the hysteria is subsiding. Consider the new rules and whether they would ha
: I was listening to some talk radio shows here in Ireland today and a *LOT* of callers were canceling trips to Florida and also California. They're qui
: Whether business or pleasure some trips are almost utterly necessary. Others are totally optional. Most occur some wheres in between. I used to drive
: Nice to see these ridiculous measures are being rolled back. Travelling to EWR on the 6th and I've been watching the flights delays since this happene
: I think this is becoming more true, but not necessarily because of the government's attempts to make the in-flight experience more miserable. The dol
: It won't stay that way because if many people think like you then the airlines can blame future losses strictly on the TSA and the DHS and not misman
: Well, if one is using her for transport, back to back won't do one any good unless one is only looking to visit Southampton for a few hours. Using it
: The rule (yes - I know it's now relaxed) said you can't stand up. It didn't say you can't crawl to the lav doggy-style. Look at the context, please.
: So essentially, terrorists now have to shove their explosives up their behinds a little further (and then just as easily obtain them on the aircraft l
: Ummm... then it's not "rubbish" is it? You just explained exactly how your staff didn't need to spend that money travelling ... it's more effective f