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User currently offlinePeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13905 times:

Can anyone relate to my quirky timetable and route map obsession I had as a kid? (this obsession is more subdued now, it seems, but I still catch myself sometimes checking out websites in search for the perfect timetable and route map).

Since about age 10, I've had a particular interest in checking out timetables and route maps of airliners from all over the world. Don't know why.
Before the internet (gee, I'm getting old), I was somewhat limited in my quest for information. I would take a trip by train from my parents' home in Rotterdam to Schiphol Airport (AMS) and snatch all the timetables I could get my hands on from the different airline counters spread throughout the departure hall. Sometimes, these airline employees would look at me in a funny way. Some of them even refused to give me one. I knew right then that my "hobby" may have been a little odd to some. I just couldn't help myself. I would go to AMS at least twice a year so I could get my hands on the Summer and Winter timetable editions. I would even go as far as comparing the two to see what changes were implemented by certain carriers.
At night, I would page through those booklets for hours on end. Trying to figure out routings and connection possibilities.
Some booklets were better than others. For some reason, I always liked the ones with route maps that had the actual lines drawn out on them from point A to point B. That always impressed me. Just showing a dot on a destination map without the "flight line" was just a turn off somehow.

Nowadays, the "interactive" route maps on airline websites are mostly a disappointment. Often, the routings on there are inaccurate. They sometimes don't account for equipment changes on route. Sometimes, the maps are too fragmented so you don't see the full effect of a route map, if you know what I mean.

Delta.com offers two different kind of route maps. An interactive one which I think is pretty much worthless and inaccurate. They also offer a downloadable route map. That particular one is very nice and actually gets updated twice a year at least, I believe. I think it's the same map that is in the back of their inflight magazine.

Anyone out there find particularly interesting looking route maps online that are pretty accurate and inclusive?

On another note, I always used to enjoy the old KLM timetables that showed the "Non Stop" and "Direct" only flights. As a personal preference, timetables with only non stop flights listed, seem more "real" to me. Anyone else concur with that or am I being too picky?
Some airlines, I remember TWA and Pan Am in particular, would list flights to a lot of destinations from the smallest city for instance, all with a connection through their hub city. For some reason, these kind of timetables never made any sense to me. They were bulky and a waste of paper I thought.
Up until about 2005 or so, NW still had a very thin paper timetable that only listed the non stop and direct flights. It was one of my favorite timetables as it seemed more real to me. It was a timetable that made a lot of sense. If you understood their "hub system", you could basically make your own routings and connections by paging through that thin little booklet. I think Northwest "understood" their frequent flyer, with their timetable.

Are there still airlines out there (including "hub and spoke" carriers) that only list their non stop flights in a timetable?

Am I an oddball for enjoying timetables (paper or pdf files) that only display non stop flights?
Am I an oddball for enjoying route maps that show the actual "lines" from point A to B?
Just wondering if I am alone...  

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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13868 times:

I've been collecting timetables since I was 14 in 1989, My Mom (whom always encouraged me) would drive me up to EWR every couple months so I could make the rounds and collect the latest additions. There was also a store in Terminal B that sold the OAG flight guides, I collected all of them but my favorites were Eastern, Continental, Pan Am. I used to also collect airport timetables, the Port Authority had them for EWR, JFK, LGA and the Orlando airport folks had one too. The best was the Washington DC airport folks who put out a detailed magazine regarding DCA and IAD.

It's sad that the timetables have died, printing out online one's is just not the same. However there's always Ebay, which has allowed me to fill out my collection. Particularly my pre 1989 Eastern Air lines time table collection.



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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1331 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13839 times:



Quoting Peanuts (Thread starter):
to Schiphol Airport (AMS) and snatch all the timetables I could get my hands on from the different airline counters spread throughout the departure hall. Sometimes, these airline employees would look at me in a funny way. Some of them even refused to give me one. I knew right then that my "hobby" may have been a little odd to some. I just couldn't help myself. I would go to AMS at least twice a year so I could get my hands on the Summer and Winter timetable editions.

I used to do this as well when I was younger, it all sounds very recognizable. I remember that I really wanted a China Southern timetable but their ticket desk was always closed during the day because their flight was in the late evening. Same story for Gulf Air by the way, their flight was very early and the ticket desk was already closed when I arrived at the airport. Big grin

Quoting Peanuts (Thread starter):
Am I an oddball for enjoying route maps that show the actual "lines" from point A to B?

No, route maps with actual lines are still the best in my opinion!  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13829 times:

I've always been fascinated with timetables of all kinds, though I own only a handful.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
The best was the Washington DC airport folks who put out a detailed magazine regarding DCA and IAD

The magazine still exists but I don't believe there are any timetables inside.


User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5501 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13768 times:



Quoting Peanuts (Thread starter):
Can anyone relate to my quirky timetable and route map obsession I had as a kid? (this obsession is more subdued now, it seems, but I still catch myself sometimes checking out websites in search for the perfect timetable and route map).

My friend, you are anything but quirky/crazy or whatever. I loved looking at old timetables to find out:

  • What type of equipment used. ancient mid 60's era Eastern Airlines timetables just listed for type of aircraft jet or pjet. Pjet being of course the Electra.
  • In the mid 70's when I worked as a bellhop at a local hotel and business was slow; I'd purloin their edition of the OAG. Back in the day, the OAG was a thick phone book looking publication.
  • Spent over two hours just looking at all the flights from JFK to MIA. Back around 1976 or 1977 there were dozens of choices. Many from the large USA standard bearers such as Eastern, National, Delta and then many international South American carriers who flew segments starting at JFK, stopping at MIA and then continuing to their exotic South American destination.
  • Imagine all the choices and options!
  • You could of flown JFK to MIA at any time of the week or day on virtually all the Boeing, Douglas, and yes even Convair jets. And not the wimpy Barbie regional jets of today. Of course this was when the A 300 first became a familiar mainstay of commercial aviation in the USA. Imagine choosing between a DC-8, 707, L1011, A 300, DC-10 and even 747 service. This was in the pre deregulation era. And of course, DC-9 and 727 flights were the slight majority of choices.


So no, you are not alone. As a matter of fact I'm amazed you can't find vintage timetables listed in their entirety online. I would love to see schedules and timetables for Eastern flights in and out of BWI from the 50's through 70's. Same goes for National and Delta.



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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13767 times:

Quoting Peanuts (Thread starter):
Delta.com offers two different kind of route maps. An interactive one which I think is pretty much worthless and inaccurate. They also offer a downloadable route map. That particular one is very nice and actually gets updated twice a year at least, I believe. I think it's the same map that is in the back of their inflight magazine.

Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.

Right down to the letter.

I've had the exact same fascination for as long as I can remember, and it was exactly as you described. I'd page through timetables for hours just gazing and imagining the connection and routing possibilities, and trying to imagine what it'd be like to, say, take a trip to Rome from my hometown.

And I've held the same exact fascination with route maps. I absolutely loath "route maps" that only show cities, and I'm not a fan of the interactive route maps that seem to be replacing the ones with smooth and proportional lines that look as if they were drawn by an artist instead of computer code.

I needn't say more because you've nailed it on the head. I can totally relate like you wouldn't believe.

(by the way, my post is in reference to your entire post, not just what I quoted...)

[Edited 2009-12-27 16:04:23]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27252 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13729 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
I've been collecting timetables since I was 14 in 1989, My Mom (whom always encouraged me) would drive me up to EWR every couple months so I could make the rounds and collect the latest additions.

When I was a kid I used to do the same. Go into Central London and go around tons of Airline offices. Got lots of timetables, those were the days. In those times you had Piccadilly with UTA/Iran Air/MEA/Lufthansa/TWA/Pan AM/Air France/Olympic/Libyan Arab/Aeroflot/Alitalia. In the surrounding streets you had Gulf Air / Thai /Malev/Tunis Air/Kenya Airways and Iraqi Airways on lower Regent Street. In the streets off Regent street you had Varig/Viasa/Balkan and Turkish Airlines.

I used to do a circuit and make a day of it. Did this twice a year Summer and Winter timetables.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7972 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13711 times:



Quoting Peanuts (Thread starter):
Can anyone relate to my quirky timetable and route map obsession I had as a kid?

Yes! I thought I was one of the only ones... I don't know why but they fascinate me, and I always dream up imaginary airlines on the great circle mapper...



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5501 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13699 times:



Quoting Airport (Reply 5):
I needn't say more because you've nailed it on the head. I can totally relate like you wouldn't believe.

If I were rock star/Wall Street robber barron wealthy; I'd love to open a unique commercial aviation museaum near BWI and or MIA. This museaum would feature:

  • A complete library of route maps and timetables going back to whenever. So, if you had a Jones for finding out where Capital flew in August of 1956, it would be there.
  • Cabin mockups/simulators equipped to a T; with every minute detail of airliners such as the Viscount, Douglas, series birds, Boeing birds, Lockheed, and Airbus to name a few. You'd board your simulated flight and experience the smells, feelings, sounds and sensations as if it were the real thing. VIP tours/ rides would even feature airline cuisine for better or for worse. This could go a long way in relieving folks who are phobic of flying.
  • State of the art media center featuring nothing but aviation movies, TV show episodes where flying was involved. So, if you wanted to see a young pre-Boneva Sally Field and Deborah Walley in Gidget Goes Hawaiian flying on a UA "Mainliner DC-8" complete with Palomar seats and curtains, you could do it.
  • Complete exhibits of airports and their layouts. You could experience MIA the way it was when it opened it's 20th. St. terminal on 1 February 1959 or for that matter Harry Truman opening Friendship International Airport (BAL) or DCA in 1941.
  • Admission would be free for any current or former airline employee.
  • There would be a store like the Pan Am Aware venue but 10 times the size.
  • This museaum would be designed in a mid 1950's Frank Lloyd Wright modern. It would look like a giant Architectural Digest mid century ultra modern rancher type home but on a grand style for airline memorabillia. And, I forgot, there would be mock ups and simulators of the Boeing 2707, 7J7 and Lockheed SST. Birds that never flew.


Sorry to get slightly off topic. Too lazy to start a new thread.  bouncy 



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27252 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13690 times:



Quoting Peanuts (Thread starter):
Delta.com offers two different kind of route maps

IIRC Delta used to let you have the route map which was posted near the galley after a flight. Never got one unfortunately. Thought it was a cool idea though.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2940 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13679 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
I've been collecting timetables since I was 14 in 1989

I did the same thing. I have boxes and boxes. Used to go to LAX and downtown Los Angeles (6th street is where most of CTOs were) and stock up. I remember a trip to London where I got saw first Aeroflot CTO and got a timetable and magazine (this was before Aeroflot ever touched US soil). I used to draw my own maps, routes etc.


User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5501 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13673 times:



Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 7):
Yes! I thought I was one of the only ones... I don't know why but they fascinate me, and I always dream up imaginary airlines on the great circle mapper...

I'll go you one better. Several years ago while waiting in line for departure out of ATL, I made up a fictitious airport on a napkin with existing airlines, defunct legends like PAA, EAL, Panagra. My dream airport was like BWI or MIA with the finger concourses but, featured a train system like ATL that connected each finger so once you cleared security you could rock and roll through the concourses and plane spot. Each concourse would feature excellent food choices and massage stations manned by athletic young female massage therapists. Their uniforms would highlight their young supple athletic bodies but not be so cheesey as to offend. Of course this airport would be designed in my favorite mid Century jet age modern 50's/60's style and oh, I almost forgot it would feaute an award winning aquatic center like the one near me owned by Michael Phelps. And boy oh boy would I write an amazing history of this airport.



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User currently offlinePeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13647 times:

Phew. I thought I was alone with all this. Nice to know you guys are out there.
Funny thing is, none of my relatives or friends understand this. If I want to talk about it, my wife just gives me that blank look.... bored  They all roll their eyes at me. I've always felt like a "closet" airline timetable collector. So, I've kept this hobby to myself.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27252 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13624 times:

Quoting Peanuts (Reply 12):
I've always felt like a "closet" airline timetable collector. So, I've kept this hobby to myself.

LOL.... I liked the old MEA timetables as they were different to all the rest in format. You read it top to bottom with the days of the week left to right along the top. Dont know if anyone has an example to post.


I have most of the old OA ones seen here :

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/oa81-01.htm

[Edited 2009-12-27 16:51:00]

User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 935 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13567 times:

Peanuts, if you ever make it to OZ, look me up, and I can assure you of 24 hrs a day 7 days a week talk, talk, talk about the love we both share - timetables and route maps. Can relate to everything you have written, and more. I am a very busy guy in my "retirement", however I absolutely must get out an airline timetable from my collection and read it prior to bedtime, every night AND whenever I travel on public transport, out comes the current "ancient" timetable I am reading. One of the travesties of modern life in the aviation world is the demise of the paper timetable and route maps. I have met some now good friends through my hobby (both male and female) - they do not share in "my quirky behaviour" - however they were so curious as to why this mature aged adult sitting in the train was reading a 1965 QF timetable and at the same time making notes. My family are at the stage now, if they have an aviation question, they say "just ask dad, he'll know"!! (sometimes one needs to do some quick research!!) But my collection hobby introduced me to scanning of air bands, and aircraft spotting, which I enjoy immensely, so much so the grandkids display curiosity to the point where they will discuss my current "quest" each time I see them. So, to put it all in a nutshell, have a positive self image about it mate, beats a lot of those other "quirky" hobbies around, and you know, it exercises the brain (beats crosswords anyday) Big grin


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User currently offlineEgcarter From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13490 times:

My best friend and I used to collect airline timetables back in Honolulu during the 60's. We began in 1966, on occasional trips to HNL, and scavenging them from various travel agencies and airline ticket offices. Since he lived in Waikiki, there were plenty of sources that we could walk to from his house.

When TV Guide began publishing a Hawaii edition in 1966, we got a ride down the the TV Guide office listed in the magazine and they rewarded us with a couple of huge boxes full of every local edition of TV Guide (for that one week) nationwide (about 185, I think). Yes, I do understand this form of fanaticism.


User currently offlineDanVS From Brazil, joined Jul 2009, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13465 times:

1) The timetables I enjoy(ed) most are(were) the ones which showed the equipment used on each route. I remember AA and UA's timetables in the mid-90's didn't, which was disappointing. Delta's timetables were more complete.
NW timetables were very straightforward, but I think for a person not used to flying or familiarized with airport codes, all those IATA codes would make it difficult to understand at first.

2) It's a pity that BA discontinued their online timetable, leaving their schedules to the horrible OneWorld counterpart.

3) I know it's not a company timetable, but you could use Airline Route Mapper (arm.64hosts.com) to see a world map with the routes of a particular airline. You can also separate the routes by airline, airport of origin, etc... and see the equipment used on each route.


User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5132 posts, RR: 43
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13440 times:

I guess we are all the same.

I collected timetables since I was a kid ... a long time ago. I have many many boxes of them dating back to the 1950s. I love going through a box every now and then and rediscovering them. I don't even try to explain it to friends any more ... they just don't understand!

I think we are not all that unusual, as if you look on eBay, airline timetables seem to command a very good price, with a lot of the ones from the 1960s and earlier going for more than $100.

The best part of my collection is an example of every Trans-Canada, and Air Canada timetable published from 1937 to the last issue of 2001.



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2481 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13419 times:
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LOL, I love this.

I started collecting airline timetables in Summer of 1980. I was 10 at the time, living in Lodi,CA.
My main way of obtaining schedules, was via mail. I'd get airline addresses and send out multitudes of letters for timetables and any other info they would forward.

I would look forward to mail coming every day. Some better than others lol. Still have the boxes of letters etc that I received. My first two replies came same day from SkyWest Airlines and Big Sky Airlines.

Anyway, 3000+ schedules and 300+ airlines later, here we are.  Smile

Kind of a letdown these days, no intrigue anymore. Just a click away and there you are. No tangible things anymore.



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2230 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13384 times:

When I read this post, I felt like I was listening to my identical twin. I have a huge box in my closet with years worth of collected magazines from airlines with route maps and timetables. they are outstanding memorabilia...


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User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13347 times:



Quoting Peanuts (Thread starter):
Before the internet (gee, I'm getting old), I was somewhat limited in my quest for information. I would take a trip by train from my parents' home in Rotterdam to Schiphol Airport (AMS) and snatch all the timetables I could get my hands on from the different airline counters spread throughout the departure hall. Sometimes, these airline employees would look at me in a funny way. Some of them even refused to give me one. I knew right then that my "hobby" may have been a little odd to some. I just couldn't help myself. I would go to AMS at least twice a year so I could get my hands on the Summer and Winter timetable editions. I would even go as far as comparing the two to see what changes were implemented by certain carriers.
At night, I would page through those booklets for hours on end. Trying to figure out routings and connection possibilities.

Reading that quote above I think we may be long lost brothers.


User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2051 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13241 times:

As many other folks have said, you are definitely not alone. I remember my first trip to Frankfurt in 2003... I collected so many timetables at the airport that my shoulders actually bruised from the weight of them in my backpack. Then I got into the city and discovered there were airline offices literally on every street corner, and spent a whole day running around the city, going down the list of airline offices in the back of FRA's airport timetable. I even rode the train to the suburb of Niederrad to visit a few of the CTOs there. By the end of the trip I had more than 100 timetables and inflight magazines.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 6):
When I was a kid I used to do the same. Go into Central London and go around tons of Airline offices. Got lots of timetables, those were the days. In those times you had Piccadilly with UTA/Iran Air/MEA/Lufthansa/TWA/Pan AM/Air France/Olympic/Libyan Arab/Aeroflot/Alitalia. In the surrounding streets you had Gulf Air / Thai /Malev/Tunis Air/Kenya Airways and Iraqi Airways on lower Regent Street. In the streets off Regent street you had Varig/Viasa/Balkan and Turkish Airlines.

Sounds exactly like me. On trips to London I would open the phonebook in our hotel room and copy down the addresses of all the airline offices, then run around and visit them all.

Quoting Peanuts (Thread starter):
Some airlines, I remember TWA and Pan Am in particular, would list flights to a lot of destinations from the smallest city for instance, all with a connection through their hub city. For some reason, these kind of timetables never made any sense to me. They were bulky and a waste of paper I thought.

Agreed. Southwest was the last US carrier to print timetables, and they were getting really large toward the end with all of the connecting flights listed. I'm happy with a timetable that lists all direct flights (with the aircraft type noted, of course!) and with plenty of pages of information, route maps, etc. at the front or back.

Quoting Peanuts (Thread starter):
Am I an oddball for enjoying route maps that show the actual "lines" from point A to B?

Not at all. For most of the 1980s and 1990s (and even during 2000-2002, before they discontinued paper schedules), American Airlines always had one of the dreaded "destination maps" instead of a route map. When I was a kid in the late 1980s, I used to sit down with the timetable and draw all of the routes onto the map. It was great fun at the time, but it means about half of the AA timetables in my collection now have poorly-drawn lines and child's handwriting all over the map.  Smile

Today I have an entire bookshelf full of timetables... more than 3000 in all, from 200+ airlines around the world. I keep 'inventory' on an Excel spreadsheet. I'm going to be moving this summer and I am NOT looking forward to boxing them all up. Those suckers are surprisingly heavy in large amounts!


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13229 times:

Quoting Peanuts (Thread starter):
I would take a trip by train from my parents' home in Rotterdam to Schiphol Airport (AMS) and snatch all the timetables I could get my hands on from the different airline counters spread throughout the departure hall. Sometimes, these airline employees would look at me in a funny way. Some of them even refused to give me one. I knew right then that my "hobby" may have been a little odd to some.

In April '94 I was 18 years old and on vacation in Orlando with my Family, I snuck out at about 11Pm with the rental car and drove from the Caribbean resort at Disney to MCO. I got there and the place was pretty much closed except for the cleaning crews, I went around and grabbed whatever timetables were out on display. Some I had to grab from behind the counters, the cleaning crews were looking at me and if it were the post 9/11 world there would have been police all over me.

Still I got some nice timetables, AA and UA in particular. I thought it was really cool Delta had timetables out all over the Contemporary resort at Disney.

[Edited 2009-12-27 21:03:28]


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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2481 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13228 times:
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Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 21):
Not at all. For most of the 1980s and 1990s (and even during 2000-2002, before they discontinued paper schedules), American Airlines always had one of the dreaded "destination maps" instead of a route map. When I was a kid in the late 1980s, I used to sit down with the timetable and draw all of the routes onto the map. It was great fun at the time, but it means about half of the AA timetables in my collection now have poorly-drawn lines and child's handwriting all over the map.

Today I have an entire bookshelf full of timetables... more than 3000 in all, from 200+ airlines around the world. I keep 'inventory' on an Excel spreadsheet. I'm going to be moving this summer and I am NOT looking forward to boxing them all up. Those suckers are surprisingly heavy in large amounts!

EXACTLY!! I have done a lot of both drawing routes and moving boxes around lol. It was a sad day when the OAG itineraries started listing only multi-stop flights and omitted flights between only two cities. I would go thru OAGs and draw route maps from the itineraries pages. And people said I wasted my time hahaha!



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User currently offlinePeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13126 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 6):
I used to do a circuit and make a day of it. Did this twice a year Summer and Winter timetables.



Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
My Mom (whom always encouraged me) would drive me up to EWR every couple months so I could make the rounds and collect the latest additions.



Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 2):
route maps with actual lines are still the best in my opinion!



Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 4):
Spent over two hours just looking at all the flights from JFK to MIA.



Quoting Airport (Reply 5):
I absolutely loath "route maps" that only show cities



Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 7):
I always dream up imaginary airlines on the great circle mapper...



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 10):
I used to draw my own maps, routes etc.



Quoting TN486 (Reply 14):
My family are at the stage now, if they have an aviation question, they say "just ask dad, he'll know"!!



Quoting DanVS (Reply 16):
NW timetables were very straightforward, but I think for a person not used to flying or familiarized with airport codes, all those IATA codes would make it difficult to understand at first.



Quoting LongHauler (Reply 17):
I don't even try to explain it to friends any more ... they just don't understand!



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 18):
I would look forward to mail coming every day.



Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 19):
I have a huge box in my closet

I LOVE it! Incredible!



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25 Peanuts : This is classic stuff guys! LOL LOL. Wow. I thought I was alone with my timetable quirks. Reading about this stuff is wild. Another thing I did: "stu
26 Fly2CHC : Thank goodness I'm not the only one....my brother once related my obsession with thumbing through/memorising timetables to that of an autistic person
27 WesternA318 : In my attic above my house in Utah, I have 8-9 moving boxes FULL of airline swag. From 6/1984 to 7/96 I have every airline serving SLC in multiple fo
28 PITrules : I'm glad I'm not the only one who wrote to airlines asking for stuff. Not only timetables, but anything their public relations department would send.
29 Post contains images Flying Belgian : The same for me. Each IATA season was the occasion to pay a visit to BRU airport for that very purpose. When I went to London downtown, I was crazy wi
30 TN486 : You have just jolted the memory bank. the way I found out that BEA had half a cabin of rear facing seats was by the seatmap in their real horrible lo
31 TN486 : insert the word "TRIDENT"
32 Post contains links and images PITrules : There was another kind of route map, and I hated them growing up. Those are the ones which had several lines drawn between point A and B - even thoug
33 Mudboy : Wow! I thought I had a lot of in-flight magazines and timetables, I guess I must still be a beginner?
34 OA260 : Great things to have. I had some Swissair things also. They used to have a large office in Leicester Square at the Swiss center. I had a large poster
35 Post contains links GhYHZ : What a great thread.......thanks everyone.......I can see myself in just about every reply! Though not the real thing, you can print out complete time
36 Post contains links ODAFZ : You are certainly not alone. My mother used to say that I was abnormal in collecting timetables (began in winter season 1972-73). Unfortunately, the c
37 ItalianFlyer : I have boxes and boxes of timetables too...starting from when i was a wee one. My parents dreaded long layovers in far away places...as one of them wo
38 OA260 : Yes I agree MEA was always one I waited for and I loved OA's and always looked forward to the new one. Aeroflot/Malev/LOT/Balkan/Tarom/Czechoslovak A
39 TR1 : What memories...... I remember the KLM timetables from the 1970s that had just the cities served on the route map. I spent many and afternoon going th
40 MasseyBrown : I was not so taken with timetables but I loved the big route maps. In fact I loved all maps. The months when the Nat. Geo. came with a map were the b
41 OA260 : Those complete timetables are amazing. For instance AF advertised their flight SXB-LYS-JFK there is an A310 on the front was it operated by A310?
42 Knope2001 : +1! Started in summer of 1981 for me (14 at the time) and my first was an Ozark timetable with a rodeo cowboy on the cover promoting their expanded T
43 SWABrian : I am guilty of most of the above too. My dad worked for Continental and he would bring home old OAGs and individual timetables that were mailed to the
44 Igneousrocks : Weren't they were only a domestic airline at that point, except for Vancouver and maybe Toronto? Picked up the 1977 Spring/Summer Braniff TT at SAT a
45 Alexinwa : I to have this "issue" !!!! My friends think I am nuts. I read them like a book. Since I started collecting in the mid 80's, I have also written 100's
46 LesMainwaring : I started collecting timetables in 1968. I lived near ATL until 1991 and now live near ORF. I would grab timetables all the time at ATL and all the ot
47 BNAOWB : My wife does not understand how I can entertain myself for hours looking at route maps, timetables, and other airline information. She believes that t
48 AlexInWa : My GF feels the same, she can only shake her head and wonder why this is more fun for me than TV or sports. LOL
49 Pzurita1 : I guess most of us A.nutters are here because of that fascination for timetables, maps and aircrafts. I fully recognised mysefl in the OT activities p
50 Viscount724 : Yes I think they used the A310-300 on most of those routes from the secondary French cities to the U.S.
51 Solent : It is wonderful to know there are so many others who share this interest in airline operations. I have collected many timetables since I was a child b
52 Post contains images Peanuts : That's very cool! Nice collection! Thanks for posting the pics. I think "we", as a group, gave some of these airlines a run on their marketing budget
53 Westjet!Eh! : Yes it's the flightpaths for the pilots to follow the paths. JAL and ANA still have same things in their inflight magainzes. It looks more accurate a
54 OA260 : Thats nice . Saudi Arabian airlines were mine , they had an office in Chiswick West London and they gave me a First class amenity kit with Givenchy a
55 BN727flyr : I did, too. I grew up in Texas, and, at the time, I made many trips through Dallas Love Field, where it was easy to pick up timetables from AA, BN, C
56 BN727flyr : I did, too. I grew up in Texas, and, at the time, I made many trips through Dallas Love Field, where it was easy to pick up timetables from AA, BN, C
57 Seatback : I too have collected since the 70's. My friend and I would head to DFW and train around to all the terminals and collect timetables and watch planes;
58 Seatback : Anyone know how to create your own routemap other than Great Circle Mapper for a class project?
59 MasseyBrown : On the first one I had (1958) Hawaii wasn't a state. I believe Vancouver was their only non-US point at that time. Toronto came later.
60 N200WN : Was that the bright orange TT with yellow route lines connecting the cities? I think that's the one that showed SAT-SAN but the route and city was ne
61 MtnWest1979 : The latest change I have to my airline collection is to obtain timetables that were current ( or very close to it) the day I was born. And I actually
62 IgneousRocks : I had to look up my Xeroxed copy to see. I believe you have the color right but no SAT-San Diego flight listed. I do remember a subsequent TT that ha
63 Pqdtw : Haha... This almost sounds like an AA (not American Airlines!) meeting with everyone sharing their closet obsessions of time table collecting that onl
64 N200WN : Thanks for checking. I remember those colorful timetables that BN put out. It was crazy how fast they were expanding back then. As the OP said, it wa
65 Ditzyboy : I collected timetables and inflight magazines almost religiously from age 7 to age 16. My father sat me down and taught me how to read an Ansett winte
66 MtnWest1979 : LOL, I just remembered that I obtained my only Dallas Express timetable from over the counter at MAF in late Spring 1995, a while after they had met t
67 Peanuts : LOL. I honestly thought I was practically alone in this, when I was a teenager. I still think we are a tiny, tiny minority though, but that's cool. W
68 PRINAIR : Growing up my grandparents used to own a couple of travel agencies in Miami and San Juan so it was easy for me to acquire timetables, posters, brochur
69 Post contains links and images Zippyjet : " target=_blank>http://www.timetableimages.com/ttima...1.htm Thank you very much for another Internet addiction! seriously thank you for a fantastic
70 IgneousRocks : Do my eyes deceive or does EA 603 --Golden Falcon DC-8 JET--> make the New York to Miami run in 1:15? Maybe the MIA arrival time is 12:45p, but even t
71 Post contains images Zippyjet : I wondered the same thing however, I believe back in the good old days, Miami did not spring forward for Daylight Savings Time. Or, if it was a typo,
72 WESTERN737800 : I started collecting timetables and route maps in 1989 when I was in the 5th grade. I've got a couple shoeboxes of DL, UA, NW, and a little of CO, US,
73 N702ML : Awww....thanks, man! I appreciate that! By the way...it's always good to see you when I pass through San Antonio.
74 USPIT10L : Wow, and I thought I had a huge collection! I used to do the same thing, except I stated calling in 1996, at the same age. I had envelopes sent to me
75 PITrules : Thanks; as far as timetables I really don't have that huge of a collection - perhaps 200-300, but they are from a good variety of airlines worldwide.
76 Post contains links N702ML : Wow...amazing how much we all have in common! I started collecting in the mid-80s when I was about 10 or 11 years old. I would estimate the collection
77 Viscount724 : There isn't room for a major carrier like UA to show every route on a small timetable page in such a way that' it's still readable, especially with d
78 Post contains links and images PITrules : Anyone collect airport schedules/flight guides? These are just like airline timetables, except they list all the airlines/flights from the airport. As
79 USPIT10L : I had a few. Most of my stuff I got from calling when I was younger, so toll calls tended to get a little expensive. My dad would take a look at the
80 Pqdtw : So funny! I used to call the 800 numbers too and got all the timetables addressed to Ms as well! Funny how I could make myself sound like an adult wh
81 USPIT10L : Yeah, but did anyone ever say, "are you a small child requesting flight information?"
82 Post contains links DeltaCTO : I always thought it was neat that DL assigned their flight numbers based on the aircraft type. They listed every flight in the Flight Itineraries sec
83 USPIT10L : Piedmont did the same thing.
84 Post contains links ItalianFlyer : That was the best part of the old DL printed timetable IMHO I loved some of those insane, almost WN-like parings for a single flight # (check out DL6
85 Peanuts : Nice posts! Love the pics. Keep 'em coming. (I can send you a 12-pack if you run out... ). What I found most fascinating about timetables/route maps
86 WesternA318 : MAN, back when CO was the REAL golden bird! Haha, I have that one as well! I remember seeing some of the route authorizations, like, SLC - Puerto Val
87 Post contains links N702ML : Unfortunately, Viscount, although I normally agree with your posts, I have to disagree on this one. The reason I say that is that United did manage t
88 N702ML : Okay, MtnWest, I gotta tell you something.... When I first read your post....it made NO sense to me. I was scratching my head. Then I re-read it and
89 MtnWest1979 : LOL, that's a good one. I have had to re-read a few myself at times Of all the schedules I have, I like my Gem State Airlines ones the most. Mainly be
90 PITrules : LOL, I appreciate the offer for beer, especially since you have the good stuff in the Netherlands! But my fridge is full for now, and I'll try to pos
91 Directorguy : I can absolutely relate. Since the age of 7, I was collecting timetables like crazy. I would go on the internet and go to an airline's web page, then
92 Airport : Hahaha! I think you and I might have a lot more in common than we realize. Having gone through most all of the major US airline route maps on your we
93 Planesmith : Ah! Confirmation that I am not alone in this world. I started collecting timetables in the late sixties, not all timetables then, just those that I ch
94 OA260 : Ahh yes the BAA timetable, they were brilliant. Always loved those. Things just arnt the same anymore.
95 The777Man : When I was 12, I used to go to the different ticket offices in Stockholm and pick up timetables. My dad even gave me the thick OAG phone book style ti
96 Panova98 : Peanuts, I think you can see this timetable, route map obsession is rooted deeply in so many of us all over the world. And, we never quite got over it
97 Peanuts : Very interesting observation. Could it be company policy? Maybe some hub & spoke and p2p carriers do not want their customer to see all the lines goi
98 Post contains links and images PITrules : More stuff from my collection: Of all the cities listed here in 1988, only Sydney survives on the BA route map  Hubs no more: Evolution: I could use
99 JMackey : Peanuts, thanks for the post. I am a timetable/safety card/inflight magazine collector, with about 500 units in my collection. Believe me, the number
100 YXwatcherMKE : PITrules - post 98... WOW what a GREAT posting. I had a collection of schedules and other items from airlines similar to yours but not as large as wha
101 Westjet!Eh! : Wow i am jealous that you have more stuff than i have! PITrules Can you pls take a photo of LH inflight map (Australia and asia area - show above)? th
102 Viscount724 : Doesn't that UA route map only show UA mainline routes? Today, they'd have to include all the UA Express and other codeshare routes to make it useful
103 N702ML : I was referring to the days when there were timetables.
104 OA260 : OMG thats a collection. Loved the Pan Am timetables. Had one but must be in the attic somewhere. On the Air Canada 1989 timetable does it show LHR-NC
105 Commavia : You're definitely not an oddball when it comes to collecting timetables. I, too, have been collecting them for pretty much my whole life. Today I have
106 Post contains links and images PITrules : Lufthansa 3rd quarter 1990 Sorry for the poor quality over Europe; I guess I need a scanner to do this properly
107 PITrules : Yes; flight 866 4x weekly continued on to NCE with an L-1011. Looks like the other days of the week it went on to DUS
108 AFORMSGUY : My first timetable was Delta's 7/1/1976 system timetable. I was11 at the time and was fascinated by the flight times and the route map. Went to CAE in
109 Viscount724 : LH still prints a system timetable. The current October-March edition has 384 pages. With their current cost-cutting efforts, it may not survive much
110 MtnWest1979 : 60134
111 USPIT10L : I have three of those, the 1990, and two 1988s. Where did you get the SJC inaugural? I've been looking for it and RDU's for ages now! Whatever happen
112 Post contains links Airport : I present to you, UA's current route map from the Hemisphere's magazine which includes UA, UA Express, and even some codeshare routes. The Internatio
113 PITrules : I got all my stuff - everything - first hand. No Ebay or anything like that. The only exception is that Pan Am shot glass. It was given to me as a gi
114 N702ML : Okay....I have a question. Not to sound disrespectful to anyone or be morbid, but does anyone else find it interesting when they obtain a timetable th
115 AFORMSGUY : I have the Northwest Timetable from November 1970 featuring the D.B. Cooper flight and the Eastern Timetable from December 1972 with flight 401. Easte
116 Westjet!Eh! : Wow that's a lot PITrules...it's alright and i can see it clearly!
117 OA260 : Thanks I had forgotten about DUS. I always wanted to go on it sadly never got to.
118 Post contains links Peanuts : Just came across this one: http://www.mesaba.com/index.php?opti..._content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=56 What more would we want? If you click to the righ
119 Panova98 : I'm sure we could all come up with theories as to why we love timetables and route maps. Me personally, I think it had a lot to do with fantasizing,
120 Post contains links ODAFZ : In 2009-2010 , the following companies still print a timetable and that you can find here in Greece JAT TAROM TUNISAIR QATAR AIRWAYS EMIRATES MIDDLE
121 USPIT10L : I have the October 31, 1988 schedule that includes PA103, and I don't consider it a morbid thought. That accident was the final nail in the coffin fo
122 ABQopsHP : Well guys I dont feel so dorky afterall. Seeing how many of you have the same boyhood habit that I did. On all of our road trips an airport stop was m
123 Post contains links and images AFORMSGUY :
124 WesternA318 : Holy smokes, an AirSouth Timetable!?
125 Kevinwdw : I personal enjoy Japan Airlines schedules and route maps found inside their inflight magazine. The schedules is the type of aircraft (subject to chang
126 OA260 : I loved the old JAL logo shame they ditched it.
127 PRINAIR : Let's start trading!
128 Westjet!Eh! : Agree...it looks very nice
129 USPIT10L : I have one too, the last one from June of 1997.
130 Planesmith : I used that route several times, it was on several occasions operated by a 747 - I can't remember if that was scheduled, it was a really great way to
131 PRAirbus : I do miss the "old fashion" timetables too...thank God there are still a few international carriers that print them out. I do have a big collection of
132 Hohd : It now appears that there are lot of people like me. I liked to look at airline and railroad timetables when I was 12 may be. At that time, the only a
133 Peanuts : This thread served as an eye-opener to me. The stories on here are great. Thanks!!! When my wife rolls her (beautiful) eyes at me when the word "timet
134 Post contains links PITrules : This one is pretty good, it has route maps mixed in with timetables http://www.airchive.com/html/about On the Timetable & Route Maps page, it's set u
135 KU747 : Now I feel more comfortable that I'm not the only one with this addiction to time tables. Anyone of you A.netrs remember the OAG (official airlines gu
136 Peanuts : You ARE very weird. Welcome to the club!!!
137 Peanuts : " target=_blank>http://www.airchive.com/html/about Perfect! Thanks man.
138 MakeMinesLAX : I recognize some of those in AFORMSGUY's collection (reply 123). The bulk of mine are in the 1974-1985 range. I recently organized and stored them in
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