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Has The Sukhoi Superjet Has Entered Service Yet?  
User currently offlineTheredbaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2328 posts, RR: 9
Posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6291 times:

With all the buzz around the 787 FF, the Superjet 100 should have entered service this december, I browsed the website but nothing I could find... anyone knows the status of EIS?

Also do you think anyone in north America would buy such a jet? I guess Aeromexico could use some in Mexico routes.

Regards and HAppy 2010 TRB


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User currently offlineAddd From United States of America, joined May 2007, 397 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6122 times:

Current expected EIS is mid-2010. North America is, frankly, an unlikely market given dominance of Embraer and Bombardier and remaining U.S. trade restructions on Russian products. The market it would serve is essentially the same as for E-jets - I do not know Mexican domestic/regional market well enough to speculate whether there is a lot of room for planes of this class/

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11708 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6038 times:

Keep an eye on Armavia's schedules, they are due to receive the first aircraft and are also soon going to be publishing their summer timetable. The An-148 is also being pressed into service, I believe a third aircraft is due to be delivered soon.

Good news for the Russian and Ukrainian manufacturers.


Dan  Smile



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5963 times:



Quoting Theredbaron (Thread starter):
I guess Aeromexico could use some in Mexico routes.



Quoting Addd (Reply 1):
North America is, frankly, an unlikely market given dominance of Embraer and Bombardier and remaining U.S. trade restructions on Russian products. The market it would serve is essentially the same as for E-jets - I do not know Mexican domestic/regional market well enough to speculate whether there is a lot of room for planes of this class/

I am not very familiarized with the specs of the Sukhoi Superjet, but I would imagine that AM has made a terrific choice with the EMB-190s. I would imagine AM is very happy with these birds and I am sure more will be added to the fleet in the coming years. With large EMB-190 and 737-700W fleets, AM will have its needs for smaller jets covered. For thinner routes, AM has the ERJ-145 and I guess that, if needed, AM could look at the EMB-170/175 family.



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User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6437 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

As of Dec 29...

"The United Aircraft Corporation head Alexei Fyodorov said Monday that deliveries of the Superjet 100 have indefinitely been delayed because the engines are not ready."

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/busine...0-indefinitely-delayed/396945.html



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User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 483 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5273 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
The An-148 is also being pressed into service, I believe a third aircraft is due to be delivered soon.

The second An-148 (first one built in Russia as previous one was built in Ukraine) has been delivered to Rossia this month.
That means there are now 3 An-148 flying on airlines services (one with Aerovit and two with Rossia).


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11708 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5088 times:



Quoting Planemaker (Reply 4):
"The United Aircraft Corporation head Alexei Fyodorov said Monday that deliveries of the Superjet 100 have indefinitely been delayed because the engines are not ready."

Ahh damn. I'm hoping this doesn't turn into another Tu-334 fiasco.

Quoting SIBILLE (Reply 5):
The second An-148 (first one built in Russia as previous one was built in Ukraine) has been delivered to Rossia this month.
That means there are now 3 An-148 flying on airlines services (one with Aerovit and two with Rossia).

That's great news, and indeed logging on this afternoon I saw a cockpit shot from the first flight on the front page:


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Photo © Alexander Belenkov - St.Petersburg Spotters



The photographer mentions that the first commercial flight with Rossiya was on the 21st December, so have they also entered a second plane into service?

It's a damn fine looking plane which I can't wait to fly on  yes 


Dan  Smile



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4409 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5069 times:



Quoting Planemaker (Reply 4):
"The United Aircraft Corporation head Alexei Fyodorov said Monday that deliveries of the Superjet 100 have indefinitely been delayed because the engines are not ready."

Bad news, indeed, let us hope they get certified by May or June.

On the American Continet, I see Cuba or Venezuela among the first countries to order it.


User currently offlineOobitsa From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4849 times:

I'm bummed out by the delay of the Sukhoi. I live in Armenia and was hoping to get some photos of it soon after EIS with Armavia. We don't get much A.net worthy in Armenia!

User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4813 times:



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 2):
Good news for the Russian and Ukrainian manufacturers.

and for Flight Structures in Marysville, WA.
(the cabin designer and manufacturer)


User currently offlineTheredbaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2328 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

Thanks for the info.

Eddie, Logan (450mx) told me that emb 145 were very restricted in hot weather at high Mexican altitudes, so maybe AM is not "that" happy with the 145.

Happy 2010
TRB



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4473 times:



Quoting Theredbaron (Reply 10):
Eddie, Logan (450mx) told me that emb 145 were very restricted in hot weather at high Mexican altitudes, so maybe AM is not "that" happy with the 145.

Hey Juan Carlos! Didn't know that, thanks for sharing. That's interesting. It would be good to hear what an AM insider has to say. I may be wrong, but I suppose the ERJ-145s are good for short and thin routes, or short routes where AM'd rather have several frequencies. I am not sure if the 145 family is similar in terms of cockpit controls, etc., to the larger 170/175 and 190/195, but I guess AM will always have the option of getting some 170/175s for missions where the 145s are too small or too short ranged, but that do not really need a 190. What do you think?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1433 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4266 times:



Quoting SIBILLE (Reply 5):
That means there are now 3 An-148 flying on airlines services (one with Aerovit and two with Rossia).

This is incorrect, Rossiya's second AN-148 is not flying yet. Last friday i missed to fly on it as i had one flight earlier which was done by FV's 'boring' A319 doing the LED-SVO run.



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User currently offlineRheinbote From Germany, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4180 times:

Some more background at Things with Wings. Looks like the engine is one of the culprits.
"According to a Reuters report, the SaM146 engine turbofan is now not due to receive its type certification until May or June."
"When the Russian and French engine makers got together, they were targeting type certification for the turbofan for June 2006."

Towards EIS, the Reuters report says
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE5BR0Z520091228?type=marketsNews

"Last week, Industries and Trade Minister Viktor Khristenko said deliveries will start in the first half of 2010."


User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3921 times:



Quoting Theredbaron (Thread starter):
Also do you think anyone in north America would buy such a jet? I guess Aeromexico could use some in Mexico routes.

I don't think so. MX rather than AM is likely to take a look to this aircraft.

MX has repeatedly stated that the current 717 is an interim platform, thus the SuperJet could be an option, notwithstanding, the SuperJet was designed for 60-95 pax, whereas the 717 has 104 seats. Longer variants (110, 125 pax) are planned at some time in the distant future and MX will be phasing out the 717 in 6 or 7 years.

Regards,

Fyano


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7633 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3730 times:



Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 14):
MX has repeatedly stated that the current 717 is an interim platform, thus the SuperJet could be an option, notwithstanding, the SuperJet was designed for 60-95 pax, whereas the 717 has 104 seats. Longer variants (110, 125 pax) are planned at some time in the distant future and MX will be phasing out the 717 in 6 or 7 years.

I am almost sure I read somewhere here that MX might consider the C-Series or some other Bombardier model as a 717 replacement for its Click subsidiary.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

Before MA signed the LOI of the 30 SSJ-100s they looked at CRJ NGs and the E-jets but decided to go with the SSJ based on cost and "newer technology". MA is counting on the SSJ to enhance its flexibility and to operate to new destinations with improved economics. I personally think that MA only bought the SSJ because Sukhoi agreed to build a maintenance base in BUD to service the SSJ for its European customers.

I think it will take a few years of reliable service before any major airline take a serious look at the SSJ.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 789 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3411 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 15):

I am almost sure I read somewhere here that MX might consider the C-Series or some other Bombardier model as a 717 replacement for its Click subsidiary.

Correct. Certainly MX will be evaluating that plane.

The higher degree of composites and the PW GTF place the C-Series as a great alternative, particularly in terms of airplane economics, but targeted at 100-130 pax, the gap between 70 and 99 seats cannot be filled with this platform very well. IMO, the Embraers (E170, E190), the Mitsubishi RJ and the Sukhoi SuperJet are more suitable to fill this C-Series void, especially if MX shifts its strategy towards a 70-99 seats market in the future.

If MX aims for a 100-130 seater, the E-Jets (E190, E195) and the C-Series (CS100, CS300) are the best alternatives.

Fyano


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