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UA 897 20 Hours Delay?  
User currently offlinePemaquid From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 7 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5147 times:

Anyone know why UA 897, scheduled to depart at 12:23 on 12/27 is currently 20 hours delayed, scheduled to depart IAD for NRT at 8:00 on 12/28? UA website says "schedule change due to ramp service" which is hopelessly vague.

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User currently offlinePemaquid From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5121 times:

Actually, upon closer examination, it appears that there was no scheduled flight IAD NRT on 12/27, but that the 12/28 flight is leaving at 8:00 am, four hours early. If that is the case, I wonder how many pax will be pissed when they arrive at IAD for their 12:30 flight only to find out that it has been long departed.

Now, another interesting thing with UA 897. On 12/26, FlightAware says that it went Anchorage to Narita. Was there a diversion, or was this somehow a scheduled flight?


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9160 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5001 times:

Is this a B 747-400?

User currently offlinePemaquid From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4988 times:

Yes, 747-400. I'm puzzled because I was pretty sure UA 897 IAD NRT went every day. So I guess the key questions are:
1) Was there ever a scheduled UA 897 IAD NRT on Dec 27?
2) Why does the United site have UA 897 IAD NRT on Dec 28 leaving four hours early?
3) Why did UA 897 go ANC NRT on Dec 26? Was there a diversion? Cancellation? Something else that I might not be thinking of?


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1923 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4895 times:

Could it be on a special holiday schedule? Maybe one that resumes once the holidays are over with?


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User currently offlineLegacytravel From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1067 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4852 times:

I would assume that the stop in ANC was a tech stop for fuel. With the recent headwinds on aircraft heading west and northwest that is my guess.

Regards,

Mark in MKE



I love the smell of Jet fuel in the Morning
User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4338 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4786 times:



Quoting Pemaquid (Reply 1):
If that is the case, I wonder how many pax will be pissed when they arrive at IAD for their 12:30 flight only to find out that it has been long departed.

Usually the airlines have a good reputation about calling each and every passengers about the departure change. If not, the airline recommends passengers to frequently check their flight status for any changes. So, for the passengers who are pissed, it's their own fault for not doing what they should have done 24 hours in advance.

Quoting Legacytravel (Reply 5):
I would assume that the stop in ANC was a tech stop for fuel. With the recent headwinds on aircraft heading west and northwest that is my guess.

I agree, too. ANC is usually the midpoint to Asia, so it makes sense to refuel, but is that the case? Who knows.


User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2204 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4741 times:



Quoting GOCAPS16 (Reply 6):
So, for the passengers who are pissed, it's their own fault for not doing what they should have done 24 hours in advance.

Thats a silly thing to say. Consider the pax that maybe in transit with a connecting flight from another destination. This 24 hour reconfirmation is something that largely died years ago. Even a pax that checked in may not know about a change. PLEASE dont try and blame everything on to a passenger



Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4338 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4690 times:



Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 7):
This 24 hour reconfirmation is something that largely died years ago.

Flight status...checking your flight information online, not what you're thinking. Most airlines have gone away with reconfirming flights via telephone. A smart traveler will keep checking on their flight status for any last minute changes. You can do this anywhere; hotel,home, mobile phone, even at the airport, duh, of course.


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4615 times:



Quoting GOCAPS16 (Reply 6):
So, for the passengers who are pissed, it's their own fault for not doing what they should have done 24 hours in advance.

Absolute and utter nonsense!! There is no requirement to reconfirm any flight 24 hours in advance, so please tell me which ailines require checking 24 hours in advance as you are claiming?


User currently offlineAirstairFear From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4254 times:

Checking for "last minute changes" from the hotel that morning or the airport is great, but that doesn't really help you if the departure has been moved 4+ hours earlier. Unless you are in the habit of scheduling your wakeup calls for 8 hours before your scheduled departure. I'm leaning towards 'nonsense' here too.


CAM-1: Aw #. We're gonna hit houses dude.
User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2165 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

ac went tech prior departure IAD...time to fix and crew legality made the resked to following morning.

User currently offlineKevinasaurus From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

I thought a twenty hour delay was not bad for UA!  Smile

User currently offlineIadbudd From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

UA 897 on Dec 27 left the gate on time but started to leak fuel from the right wing onto taxiway D when it was taxiing to the runway. Plane made it from C3 to D29 before they shut down engines and offloaded pax onto mobile lounges on taxiway. They cleaned up spill and towed it back to D7. Crew ran out of time before they were able to fix problem or switch to the inbound 898 747 that arrived at 1430 on the 27th. Therefore they had 2 897 departures on the 28th. The first one was 897 from the 27th that left at 0900 with the 747 that came in as 898 on the 27th. 3 and a half hours later the regular 897 left on time using the 747 that had leaked the fuel.

User currently offlineAirstairFear From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

How did they catch the fuel leak? Did someone else just happen to see it outside? I'm not sure a small leak would be enough to trigger the fuel disagree that quickly.


CAM-1: Aw #. We're gonna hit houses dude.
User currently offlineIadbudd From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

The ramp tower and other people saw the fuel dumping out of the right wing, not sure how much leaked or why other than it was a full fuel load for a 14 hour western leg and maybe one of the tanks was overfilled and started to pour out the overflow when he started to taxi. The plane sat for almost 2 hours on the taxiway while they cleaned it up.

User currently offlineAaflt1871 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2333 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

So did IAD become a UA 747 crew base again, or are they shipping the crew in from ORD or SFO for these flights?


Where did everybody go?
User currently offlinePemaquid From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Thanks for the info on this. Glad they caught it while the plane was still on the ground. Any idea how often this sort of thing happens with 747-400, particularly United?

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9489 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2308 times:



Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 4):
Could it be on a special holiday schedule? Maybe one that resumes once the holidays are over with?

UA rescheduled a lot of the typical business routes for December 24-26. They pulled down the international and high yielding schedule to focus on other routes and for maintenance. Hawaii saw notable increases since it is always packed during the Christmas and new year period.

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 7):

Thats a silly thing to say. Consider the pax that maybe in transit with a connecting flight from another destination. This 24 hour reconfirmation is something that largely died years ago. Even a pax that checked in may not know about a change. PLEASE dont try and blame everything on to a passenger

While UA does require a phone number that can be used for passengers in transit, it is not useful for international passengers. Recently, there has been emphasis on calling passengers if flights are significantly delayed or canceled. However, it only works domestically since most passengers have cell phones that work in the US.

Quoting Kevinasaurus (Reply 12):
I thought a twenty hour delay was not bad for UA! Smile

Up until the snowstorms of the last week, UA was leading US for most on time airline in the United States for the year.

Quoting Aaflt1871 (Reply 16):


So did IAD become a UA 747 crew base again, or are they shipping the crew in from ORD or SFO for these flights?

It is not a crew base. Crews for IAD-NRT are deadheaded from ORD and spend the night in IAD before flying to NRT.



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2275 times:



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 18):
Crews for IAD-NRT are deadheaded from ORD and spend the night in IAD before flying to NRT.

Pilots only? Or Japanese-speaking F/As as well? Wouldn't it make more sense to route the pilots from NRT? i.e. ORD-NRT-IAD-NRT-ORD?


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