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I Hate Having To Ask Pilots For A Reg Number  
User currently offlineCmk10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17214 times:

Last night I was a passenger on UA 6453...the 9:44 LAX-PHX departure. As I had to walk from T7 to T8, I didn't have a chance to snag the reg number for my log book. Once on the plane, I sat in 1C (First Class Aisle) and asked the FA if she'd ask the pilot for the registration number. She came back and said "The pilot wants to know why you want it. With our heightened security he doesn't want to give it out".

Now, this is the second time I've had such issues on Skywest. What I am asking for is not secret. It's printed on the plane in several places and the US Goverment posts them on its BTS site. As it was, I told her not to bother and I wrote it down when I got to PHX. Still, it's obnoxious that an innocious request is met with so much flack from people in a customer service business.


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User currently offlinePhlstudent From United States of America, joined May 2006, 498 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17211 times:

If I can't catch the reg. from the terminal I usually try to peer into the cockpit when entering or leaving the aircraft, the reg. is always posted somewhere on the panel.

Airbii are easier cause when you enter through the front door if you look on the wall above the door it has the certification paper with the reg. printed right on it.


User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 708 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17201 times:

Pilots are not really front line customer service (we are in the public light, but not direct customer service)... and, seeings how it is our aircraft, I find to would find it odd if someone was asking the tail number by way of our flight attendant...

That said, if you came up after the flight and said you kept a journal and asked for it then and actually talked to us, I guarantee you we would be a lot more open....



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User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17204 times:

Wow, I didn't know that reg numbers are now classified in Paranoialand.

I hope that the pilot was also smart enough to cover the registration number on the fuselage.  Yeah sure

Axel



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 17020 times:



Quoting Cmk10 (Thread starter):

Now is not the time to be asking about things like that. With security at a heightened state, pilots, and other airline employees, for that matter are not going to give out info like that without asking "why?" It's just the way it is after an incident like this. I remember being an intern in Pittsburgh with the local airport authority, and it was standard protocol post 9/11 not to ask ANY questions of TSA and DHS. I still think it was ridiculous, but that was the time I was in. You can actually track the reg numbers of airplanes on the web, without asking anyone. The DOT keeps records of all flights going back fifteen years, so they can track on-time percentages.



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User currently offlineSuperdash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 16985 times:

If I can't see the tail number I try to see what number is painted on the nose gear doors, front of the plane or on the nose. Many times its the ship number and not the tail number. However, Janes does supply both ship and tail numbers, so I look it up when I get home.

User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5087 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 16921 times:

Normally, in my experience, wait till after landing and ask the cockpit crew. They always love talking to aviation fans. And give all details.


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User currently offlineHotelDJRomeo From Canada, joined Dec 2009, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 16822 times:



Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 2):
I find to would find it odd if someone was asking the tail number by way of our flight attendant...

Really? My assumption is generally that they're keeping a log or scrap-booking their travels, etc. A person who is curious about the Reg is generally an enthusiast of some variety, so why not be helpful? It is a just a Reg after all (might just as well keep the flight number a secret, or arrival/depareture times).

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 2):
That said, if you came up after the flight and said you kept a journal and asked for it then and actually talked to us, I guarantee you we would be a lot more open....

True, a face to the request never hurts (any request for that matter)... But as I said above, I don't think it is really of any concern if someone asks for the registration. It doesn't really do anything to impact security (particularly if the a/c is already in flight, as seems to have been the case with the OP).

Quoting Cmk10 (Thread starter):
She came back and said "The pilot wants to know why you want it. With our heightened security he doesn't want to give it out".

A little paranoid on the part of the pilots I would suggest. BUT, if you had just told the FA that you keep a log, didn't catch the reg from the terminal, and were curious - I'm sure the pilots would have felt a little more at ease.

It does seem though that issue comes up fairly regularly. I don't get it. Consider that for - what? - 90% of all flights the Reg is clearly visible from the terminal before/after the flight and that many planes have the Reg clearly posted inside the a/c near L1, what's the issue if a passenger asks about it? In all honesty knowing the flight number, a/c type, and arrival/departure time is probably more of a security threat considering websites like FlightAware that make it easy to track flights - and all that information needed for that is readily available (and it isn't considered "weird" or "dangerous" if someone asks about those).

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 3):
Wow, I didn't know that reg numbers are now classified in Paranoialand.

As soon as anyone replies to this thread, since it discusses security, we're all on no-fly lists. lol  duck 



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Kyrgyzstan, joined Jul 2007, 7638 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 16767 times:
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Seriously......someone has trouble telling you information painted in massive letters on the side of the aircraft? Good Lord.


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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4304 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 16782 times:

Same story here.
Xmas morning 6am flight SEA-JFK on DL30, I was sitting 1B and had my laptop open entering this latest flight in to my flightmemory.com. I asked the FA if she wouldn't mind getting the reg for the aircraft. She had a chat up front, came back asked me "Why did I need it?", I showed her the online page from the website. She was amazed that there is a site like that. Few minutes later she came back and whispered in my ear the number. Then I see the captain coming out and giving me a smile.
Sure we don't want to alarm anyone. Sure I check before getting on board the side of the plane, gear doors but sometimes it is not possible. Lurking into the cockpit to read the number, yes been there done that. But sometimes you just have to ask the FA if it is all possible.
When getting off the plane you get another chance, if not there is always a.net.
But 5% of the time I still ask the FA's if it is all possible, for my log.
I am off to JFK right now, see how it goes this time.


User currently offlineVC10DC10 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 16706 times:

Most of the time I've found airline personnel to be extremely forthcoming with registration info -- sometimes I'll go up to the ticket counter and ask for the ship number and the NW gate agent will rattle it off to me, pleased as if she's just found a fellow airplane enthusiast.

Back when NW was experimenting with SEA-LHR on the 332, I found myself at the South Satellite terminal at SEA waiting for a redeye to Minneapolis, with time weighing heavily on my hands (the free wireless gave out, so A.net was unavailable). But there were widebodies to look at, and frankly I'm curious how NW/DL is able to get as much service out of the eleven-strong 332 fleet, and so I was wondering which bird it was waiting to go to London. (By the way, I fell into conversation with an NW employee nonreving on that flight, and he told me that the load in the back that night was 48 pax, so we agreed that the route was not long for this world.) Because of where the LHR 332 was parked, I couldn't see the gear doors or the reg on the side, so I asked for the ship number. The gate agent gave me a funny look and said, almost apologetically, "We can't give those out for security reasons." I was puzzled, I admit.


User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 16687 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 4):
Now is not the time to be asking about things like that

Sorry, but that sort of mentality is completely laughable and one of extreme paranoia. However, I would also quantify that with:

Quoting Cmk10 (Thread starter):
As it was, I told her not to bother and I wrote it down when I got to PHX. Still, it's obnoxious that an innocious request is met with so much flack from people in a customer service business.

I equally see no real need for such an attitude.......how hard would it have been just to tell her why, and you would have had no trouble whatever? With full respect, the response was no more 'abnoxious' than your own was. Incidently, neither flight or cabin crew are 'customer service' personnel and, even if they were, that certainly doesn't give one the right to have anything one wants.


User currently offlineStarAlliance38 From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1445 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 16540 times:

I agree with you having to ask the reg number. In my past experiences, I've done it a different way.

The night before I would fly, I would write a litter to give to the FAs as we boarded. In that letter, I introduced myself, told them that I'm an aviation fanatic, and asked for the reg and a safety card. Usually, I've gotten what I've asked for, and sometimes went up to the cockpit and received the flight plans for the flight. I've even received an upgrade once  Smile

But for 2010, I'm considering stopping that tradition. When I hand my letter to the FAs, they look at me with suspicion and are sometimes scared to accept it. It's also hard to read during night flights.

What do you think?



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User currently offlineKingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1294 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 16494 times:

On NW 7148 DTW-JFK last Monday, I asked the flight attendant for the reg number. He went into the cockpit, and read off to me the reg, and build date. I only asked because it was a DC-9-50. He understood  Smile

-J.



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2849 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 16443 times:

On smaller aircraft, it is fairly common to see the Reg and Prod certificates right by the door that you come through from the jetway...you can always grab a quick peek at the certs by the door.  wink 

Not sure about the big boys though, but I know that on our aircraft, the certs are right by the L1.



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User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 16302 times:



Quoting Cmk10 (Thread starter):
She came back and said "The pilot wants to know why you want it. With our heightened security he doesn't want to give it out".

I've read some silly things on here before...but that ranks up there with the most ridiculous.

After all:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 8):
Seriously......someone has trouble telling you information painted in massive letters on the side of the aircraft? Good Lord.

I can't speak for other carriers, but on our aircraft the registration number is also on a highly visible placard on the bulkhead as you enter the cabin.

Quoting ThePinnacleKid (Reply 2):
Pilots are not really front line customer service (we are in the public light, but not direct customer service)... and, seeings how it is our aircraft, I find to would find it odd if someone was asking the tail number by way of our flight attendant...

May I ask what sinister act they are going to commit with this information? I ask that seriously.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 6):
Normally, in my experience, wait till after landing and ask the cockpit crew. They always love talking to aviation fans. And give all details.

Unless its their last flight of the day and they are headed to the hotel or home. (Just kidding.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 8):
She had a chat up front, came back asked me "Why did I need it?"

Paranoid, party of one, your table is now ready.

Quoting StarAlliance38 (Reply 12):
The night before I would fly, I would write a litter to give to the FAs as we boarded.

Okay, seriously, SERIOUSLY, as a flight attendant...I don't want people handing me notes during the flight. THAT may sound paranoid, but RARELY is a note passed to a flight attendant a good thing. If someone handed me a note before boarding or during the flight, I would dread opening it. Not necissarily because it is anything "threatening" but because it most likely is going to cause some sort or drama.

Really, make a note to yourself....no notes to the flight attendants. Ever. *

* (Unless you are hot and it has your phone number on it.)

Quoting HotelDJRomeo (Reply 7):

Really? My assumption is generally that they're keeping a log or scrap-booking their travels, etc. A person who is curious about the Reg is generally an enthusiast of some variety, so why not be helpful? It is a just a Reg after all (might just as well keep the flight number a secret, or arrival/depareture times).

I had an older gentleman onboard one day who asked me for the registration of the aircraft. I asked him why he wanted it....not because I was suspicous of his request but because I figured it had to have something to do with aviation enthusiasm. Sure, enough, he pulled out a log that listed every airline, flight, aircraft, etc he had flown on since the early 70s. I took the log up to the flight deck and showed the pilots. We must have flipped through it for 30 minutes....everything you could imagine in it....defunct airlines, 707s, VC-10s (yes....VC...NOT DC), the Concorde, etc etc....we were all amazed by it.


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 16216 times:

CO puts the ship number on as a fairly large plaque the flightdeck door ... and on the FLYFO on continental.com and pda.continental.com... the ship number is the last three digits of the reg. Usually it's easy enough to come up with a cross reference but in a couple cases (usually ExpressJet flights) I've resorted to trying all of the combinations on the FAA's N-number inquiry.

N00123
N01123
N02123
N03123
...
N76123
N77123... bingo!

Quoting N702ML (Reply 15):
Really, make a note to yourself....no notes to the flight attendants. Ever. *

There's a right way and a wrong way. This year was the first time in 4 years I haven't found myself in the air on Christmas and Thanksgiving day -- but for the three years before that I made a point of giving cards to the crewmembers, gate agents, rampers, etc. working my flights.

For the flight attendants and pilots I made a point to be one of the first people on the aircraft, made sure that the envelope the card was in wasn't sealed, and made sure I personally handed the card to each crewmember (with a smile)... There was plenty of time on the ground should any of them have a concern-- I certanly wouldn't hand a crewmember a note, card, etc. after the door was closed, especially in the air... there's just too much paranoia for that.

Lincoln



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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4184 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 16210 times:

The problem is the way you're asking it. Just say you keep a journal and ask them for the number.

If you don't give a reason and just ask for the number, it might catch plenty of guys off guard.



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User currently offlineRolypolyman From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16150 times:

http://www.bts.gov/xml/ontimesummary...c/dstat/OntimeSummaryDepatures.xml

OH MY GOD -- holy cow, this is incredible!! I am extremely lazy about recording registration numbers and now I see I can find out more about all the planes I flew. Thanks for putting this bug in my ear about the DOT summaries!

I do have to say that I'm continually amazed at all the databases the US government puts online... from this to Flightaware to detailed NTSB records and so forth... I wish other world governments would get a clue and do amazing stuff like this too.


User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16143 times:

This looks to be very much a US problem.
What's next? "Which type of plane is this?", can't tell you, "Where are we going?", can't tell you, it's classified  Smile.
I have always found FA (outside the USA) very helpful. They actually know the planes by their reg, as their rouster tells them they are flying Charlie-Tango or Sierra-Gulf today.


User currently offlineThePinnacleKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 708 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16092 times:



Quoting N702ML (Reply 15):
May I ask what sinister act they are going to commit with this information? I ask that seriously.

Ummmm... in my mind... zilch, nada, nothing. Nor, did I ever say that it would set of terrorist alarm bells in my head... Although, part of 9/11 was test runs prior to the actual act... in which they document and logged events from the type of aircraft used, routines of crewmembers, etc... so while I am hardly paranoid that a pax would ever be doing that... there are certain oddities that do give you a moment of pause... Just like someone wanting to video tape the F/A giving safety briefings... it's just strange.... We had a guy that was leaning into the aisle one time during boarding and videotaping us up on the flight deck doing our receiving checklist and flows... it's just not things that one should really do this day and age... sometimes the bad people ruin it for the 99.9998% of the people that are good. Such is life and we all must conform to it.... For the record, I love what I do and was an enthusiast long before I was an airline pilot and I to kept record.. I used to write notes to the crew during flight and collected the paperwork and the info for my own "travel" log... so I "get" what most of you are doing with the info...

That said, as a pilot, if someone asked my flight attendant for our registration number, it is a little strange when they could have just asked us before/after the flight... Or ask the F/A to see the flight deck when the flights over... they'll let us know in the air to expect a visitor after the flight... when we get the request I normally make an effort to clean up my "nest" so that they can sit in my seat while I go do the post-flight walk around and let them chat up with the captain

Further more, if we ask why they want it, how hard is it for a person to reply that they're an enthusiast and want it for a log... I'll be more than willing to save all the flight paperwork and hand it over at the end.. it just goes in the trash anyway.

It's simply a matter of courtesy though that if you are going to ask for information about the aircraft to a crewmember you be willing to share a simple statement as to "why" you want it. You look all that more suspicious asking for the info when they ask why and you say "nevermind." It doesn't help out the other enthusiasts out there..... It just reinforces the notion that it "could" be used for something bad....



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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3139 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16093 times:



Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 17):
The problem is the way you're asking it. Just say you keep a journal and ask them for the number.

If you don't give a reason and just ask for the number, it might catch plenty of guys off guard.

Exactly. Better yet, try to ask the crew to make the entry for you. I've had a couple people do this. We took the log during the flight, made the entry with leg distance, crew, altitude, and some other nice stuff. We then sat there for the flight looking through it and marvel at some of the defunct airlines, retired aircraft etc and had a nice conversation after the flight.

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 3):
Wow, I didn't know that reg numbers are now classified in Paranoialand.

Canada is the country that's banned carryons. I had 89 checked bags on YYZ-ORD last night.



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User currently offlineHotelDJRomeo From Canada, joined Dec 2009, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16027 times:



Quoting Pilotpip (Reply 21):
Canada is the country that's banned carryons. I had 89 checked bags on YYZ-ORD last night.

Oh boy, lets not get started on that one.

Though an intesting read for anyone with a spare 5 minutes (and who are you kidding? you're reading this right now, you have 5 minutes!) about the whole security system: http://www.slate.com/id/2239935/ Points out how good we are at harassing innocent people (throw enthusists into that group) and missing the actual bad guys. Makes you think.



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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2758 posts, RR: 45
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15930 times:

I give it out; it's painted on the side of the fuselage in two places, and terrorists don't care which aircraft they are targeting. I had someone ask two days ago, in fact, and gave it to them.

There are certainly things I wouldn't tell passengers, but that's not considered sensitive information by my airline or by me personally.


User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15877 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 4):
I remember being an intern in Pittsburgh with the local airport authority, and it was standard protocol post 9/11 not to ask ANY questions of TSA and DHS. I still think it was ridiculous, but that was the time I was in.

That airport had some of the most absurd security protocols for employees and crews that I've ever encountered.


25 Breiz : Thanks for the link. It mirrors my own view on this shamble. In place of making empty promises about security, the US authorities should crack down o
26 TheGreatChecko : Exactly. Like any profession, we have all kinds of personalities up front and you never know, they might have just read another memo from the company
27 Type-Rated : A few years ago I had a problem on a AA flight, IAH-ORD. I asked the F/A for the registration number and i was questioned about "Why do I need it?", "
28 Junction : Instead of saying that, why not just tell them why you would like to have it.
29 787seattle : I usually look on the top of the cockpit windows outside for the ship number when I'm at a gate where the tail isn't visible. AS has the number, but I
30 413X3 : If they ask why just say in a serious tone "I want to make sure this is the correct plane" or something, make sure to sound extra sinister... but seri
31 BMI727 : That is less useful now the widgetheads is down. Also, when I was on a BA 777, the registration was in the galley as well.
32 PGNCS : Hooray for common sense! Thanks, Junction!
33 Trex8 : gee, better cover up the bus licence on the greyhounds too, do train spotters look for anything on locomotives?? there is a little metal plate with m
34 USPIT10L : Did you read the rest of my post? Frankly, the absurdity of "security" and "restricted access" is laughable after what the TSA and DHS have done over
35 Breiz : President Obama just talked about "system failure" and the need to find and rectify it. I appreciate his candor on the subject.
36 Flyblue777 : You asked the F/A to ask to the pilot what the reg number was????? Have you been watching the news lately?? Crews have been on heightened alert, and a
37 TheCol : What flack? It was a simple question. If you answered it, the information would have been given to you. Yeah, that would be the best way to ask. That
38 PGNCS : Nice of him to comment after waiting three days while vacationing in Hawaii. He said nothing of substance. Of course it's a system failure.
39 Post contains links PGNCS : http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ystemic-failure-in-us-security/?hp
40 ThePinnacleKid : yeah... I said "asked us" because I'm a pilot not a f/a.... just saying he should have just asked "us" up front after the flight directly... but you
41 CokePopper : Can't we get away from the generalizations? anyway In most cases, it's how a question is asked.
42 SXDFC : Whenever I fly, which is unfortunately once or twice a year, I always have the crew of my flight fill out a "Log Sheet" which documents the tail numbe
43 Capt.Fantastic : Do you watch the news or read the papers? Now is NOT the time to be asking the F/A to pass on questions to the pilot! Although its not sensitive infor
44 Chrisair : Was this the guy that you guys wrote about in the blog a few months ago? Either way, that's way cool. I prefer it when the good looking female FAs ha
45 Trex8 : good thing I don't ask about the engine type or MTOW anymore, I'd be in Gitmo by now! maybe asking how many people the plane can accommodate or how m
46 Pnwtraveler : The over reaction of some on Anet is sad. There is no compassion for some who bear the stresses of their jobs on a daily basis, not to mention some pe
47 Post contains links Spencer : Not sure if this has been amswered but for most models, this site is quality: http://www.scramble.nl/wiki/index.ph...onstruction_number_locations_(H-
48 Nws2002 : As a FA I will say that we've all been given multiple security directives and changes over the last week. It's hard enough to keep up with what we hav
49 Cytz_pilot : Exactly...airline/airport employees are told to 'be on the lookout for terrorists' without any clear direction as to how. It's no surprise that the l
50 787seattle : Can someone enlighten me on how asking for the registration number of a flight (more than likely ended) is able to be dangerous when someone can still
51 757drvr : Couldn't have said it better myself. In more than 20 years of flying, I have never had a passenger ask me for the registration number. Although it is
52 FlyingColours : A few observations and such from the UK At the airlines I have worked for all crew need to know the registration of the aircraft we are operating on,
53 Post contains images Cpd : Yes, that's the best way of going about it. Usually, if you want to take a few photos up the front, just word it in a way like "if the crew has a few
54 AY104 : If you hate having to ask, then my advice would be "don't ask". You are causing your own stress, by putting yourself in a possibly compromising situat
55 Trex8 : it can't which is why its ludicrous to suggest that because its an unusual question it should somehow be considered a security issue
56 PGNCS : I have flown with pilots like this as well. It plays well going to Orlando or Las Vegas; outside of intensive tourist destinations passengers largely
57 Nws2002 : Yes, I may not want to get out of bed and go to work, but once I there I love that feeling when we takeoff. Maybe I should've said I'm excited.
58 PGNCS : You said "most FA and pilots" were still excited; I have no doubt of your enthusiasm, but still question this claim. Fly safe.
59 AAMDanny : why didnt the F/A know what aircraft she was on? At my airline we all know what ship where on.... it makes life easier to remember because then its ea
60 Nws2002 : At my airline we usually know the ship #, but not always the reg #.
61 PGNCS : Why would she? At my company most FAs have no idea what aircraft they are on, and they don't care. If they need the information they can look on a pl
62 Pnwtraveler : Air Canada always refers to their aircraft by the fin number not the registration. Most of the time they don't necessarily know the fin unless the air
63 Hamster : I think it is just a knee jerk reaction after some moron tried to blow up a plane with explosives in his underwear. Coming back from Las to EWR I was
64 Dazed767 : Uh, Ed, it's just a tail number. Seriously, not a big deal.
65 HotelDJRomeo : USA: UK: I've noticed that there does seem to be some difference between the US & UK on this one. Carriers in the UK seems to base their ship #s on th
66 N776AU : Yeah. That's always been my approach. It hasn't failed me yet.
67 Futureatp : I believe its an FAR regulation that the airworthiness certificate and registration has to visible to passengers.
68 CptSpeaking : Correct! 14 CFR 91.203(b): No person may operate a civil aircraft unless the airworthiness certificate required by paragraph (a) of this section or a
69 HAWK21M : Why only the Pilot.Even the cabin crew would know. regds MEL.
70 Vietcolin : He and she was too serious...even with American passenger...The reg is printed inside the cockpit and his reply was totally ridiculous
71 Theducks : SQ has the reg numbers for their A380s printed on labels stuck to bulkheads, and QF had plates with the reg number by the rear door inside their B743s
72 BluemoonUK : I saw SKB on a plate over the galley when i flew SQ A380,top deck at the rear. Bluemoon
73 Burkhard : Better ask here after the flight, you will get the answer in five minutes. Paranoia has overwhelmed this industry and has become a security issue in i
74 LMML 14/32 : Don't FA's in the USA know the reg'n before they board the aircraft? It's normal proceedure to know what plane you are flying on and the gate number.
75 757drvr : What's your point? I was merely stating that it has never happened to me! I didn't say that it never happens! Also, If you had read my post you would
76 AirNZ : Can you please explain to me why, other than from a height of completely nonsensical paranoia and self-importance? Please enlighten me with "common s
77 GT4EZY : I must admit that there is slight paranoia.........it's not like plane spotting is unheard of in the US. I'm crew but would never refuse such info....
78 Grimey : This reminds me of when I was stopped at a Garda (Irish Police) checkpoint a few months back: Garda: Lets see your licence I hand him my licence Gard
79 Ursh : I know it is ridiculous. I am experiencing the same problem but mostly here in the US. Even if you make pictures with a large Zoom I get approached an
80 LongHauler : It may seem like an innocent request. In fact to a spotter or enthusiast, it IS an innocent request. It makes sense to us, much like trainspotting mak
81 Nws2002 : Like myself and others have already said we usually know the ship # (the airline's internal designator for the aircraft) or the aircraft type. We don
82 SVO767 : Maybe I am naive here but why would it even matter to anyone working the airplane? Assuming they told you the registration number, what would you even
83 Ttailfan : We don't reference ship numbers around our passengers, only by flight number. Yes, the ship's number is for all to see...on the nose gear door...on t
84 Trex8 : if you think all potential terrorists are idiots who woke up one morning and suddenly want to carry out some terrorist act that day then maybe, just
85 AirNZ : I understand what you're saying and certainly am not necessarily disagreeing with you in principle. However, I am genuinely curious as to what some o
86 Trex8 : look it should be obvious, even the TSA and CIA understand this one, Yemeni backed jihadist can only blow up planes with regs ending in even numbers
87 ThePinnacleKid : As most of us crewmembers have stated on here.. it's not that the reg. number is the issue... it's not the fact you want to know what plane you're on
88 RussianJet : Why is it relevant why the question is posed? Knowing the reg poses NO threat, none whatsoever. Zero. It is not a secret. The information is freely a
89 HotelDJRomeo : I do pretty well agree with you're saying, except I do take some issue with your logic. An enthusiast more than likely should know where to find the
90 Cmk10 : Wow, I didn't expect quite the response to this post I got here. Thank you to everyone for your advice. Usually I would just ask at the end of the fli
91 Ttailfan : When I work the gate, I AM USED TO BE ASKED: "Can I have an aisle/window seat?" "Are there any exit row seats available?" "Will the plane depart on t
92 AirNZ : Well, it certainly is obvious you have absolutely no idea of the answer.....you should simply have just said so and it wouldn't have taxed your thoug
93 ThePinnacleKid : Honestly, it doesn't matter if it does pose or doesn't pose a risk... if you ask a crew member a question about the plane.. just be prepared to answe
94 Mayor : Is there a chance that they might have thought that the OP was an FAA inspector? Although, if they did, I would think they'd be falling all over thems
95 RussianJet : Well, I guess that's where we differ then. It clearly does matter, it poses no problem whatsoever to anyone to ask it. Whatever, NOBODY in this entir
96 ThePinnacleKid : Nope... they are required to present themselves... usually the first thing they do after saying hi to us up front is ask to see all of our licenses,
97 Ttailfan : I'll grant you that...a terrorist will know how to access this information as well if they need it. But like I said in my reply 91...please read it..
98 ThePinnacleKid : Again.. it's not the INFO that is the problem, I could care less if a passenger wants the tail number or not.. and I'm not going to with hold that in
99 Trex8 : the issue isn't should airline employees who gets asked an unusual question not take note of the question or the person asking it, its whats the poin
100 Ttailfan : Look for a PM/email for my answer on the police related thing...not info I want to post in full view. That said...yes, flight number, ship number, re
101 RussianJet : Ok, let's turn the tables - why? Why do you need to know why? 'It's my perogative' is no reason at all. We know perfectly well that it causes no prob
102 ThePinnacleKid : because people inadvertently sometimes ask things that would require answering with actual "security" information we are required not to divulge... a
103 CrimsonNL : I once asked the FA on an AA Eagle flight for the reg as I didn't see it upon boarding because of the dark. She asked me to wait til we landed and the
104 Nws2002 : That's because there is nothing about the aircraft's registration that is SSI. Many crewmembers have pointed out that the question itself raises susp
105 Chrisair : I wouldn't want to fly on that plane...lest I get infected with some black plastic plague.
106 RussianJet : Except we're talking specifically about the aircraft registration here. That's the question this thread poses. Any chance you could answer my questio
107 David L : I can understand why. I don't keep a journal or a log, I just sometimes want to know. Fortunately for me, every time I've forgotten to look before bo
108 HotelDJRomeo : I did, and I appreciate what you're saying and by and large don't disagree (and haven't disagreed with the bulk of what you've had to say in other po
109 Trigged : Flew AA a couple of years back and asked the Captain what the reg was. Let he know what I did for a living (aerospace engineering) and he invited me i
110 N702ML : I have read with interest some of the opinions on here. Perhaps it is because I don't live in a state of paranoia, but I don't go to work and live eve
111 Ttailfan : I am ground crew, not flight/cabin crew. So these questions are not ones I deal with and they do/would raise flags for me as ground crew. As flight c
112 Ttailfan : I, too, assume that they are an enthusiast, too. However, we all know what assume means and to that end, like I stated in my post, I will have a kind
113 LongHauler : He/she is doing what we as crew-members are expected to do. That is, NOT answer a security question in a public forum. You don't think it is a securi
114 RussianJet : Nope. You assume others here, myself included, have no knowledge of security matters either. Well, you keep thinking that. I don't think it's a secur
115 HotelDJRomeo : I fully appreciate that. If they ask a follow-up question that causes a flag to go up, then the flag goes up and that bridge is crossed in an appopre
116 ThePinnacleKid : Dude, I don't know how to explain myself clearer to you... you and I seem to just have a never ending back and forth that results with me wanting to
117 RussianJet : Well, I'm not stopping you! But seriously..... Agreed. Splendid - we have common ground. In terms of courtesy and politeness, there absolutely is. Ig
118 Fabo : "Oh, why do you ask?" "You see, I am a terrorist trying to get as much as possible out of you, and this looked like good icebreaker." OK, I see and ag
119 Ttailfan : In normal circumstances, you are right...body language is a great indicator and as mentioned, as a part time cop, it is a vrey important indicator in
120 David L : Whoops! You did say in your post that you "work the gate" but I seem to have forgotten that by the time I got to the part I quoted. Sorry!
121 KPDX : I've asked the flight attendant from the very back of a AA MD-82 and he went to the front and asked, got it, and came back. FA: "The registration on t
122 Jhooper : According to FAA Regulation 14 CFR 91.203, "(b) No person may operate a civil aircraft unless the airworthiness certificate required by paragraph (a)
123 Trex8 : let me tell ya, those certificates are usually smaller than a postcard and the manufacturers plaque a little bigger than a credit card so the writing
124 AirNZ : Why are you talking both absolute nonsense, and giving completely incorrect information under some guise of you know what you are talking about? You
125 Tdscanuck : You're missing the point...the registry number itself is, obviously, not a security issue. It's the question itself (not the content of the question)
126 Trex8 : yes but they don't have a counter outside the buildings every entrance publicly displaying the number of people entering etc. etc. for all to see! if
127 TheCommodore : Are you out of your mind ? Do you know how many people have log books and send them up front for filling in by the crew? As has been said MANY times
128 TheCol : It's comes down to this: Frontline staff are trained to ask questions when they see or hear certain things. Beyond that, nobody is at the liberty of
129 RussianJet : For some things, fine. For asking the aircraft registration? NO.
130 Trigged : That is why I look at the data plate affixed to the front door frame every time I enter a plane, just in case it is dark and the flight crew/FA's app
131 Sandyb123 : IIRC the latest AVOD / IFE system on EK and (maybe other airlines) provides aircraft information including, type and registration along with altitude,
132 Floridaflyboy : On our Saabs, the Reg. Number is all over it. It's on a huge placard inside the door frame, and also inside the galley cabinets and the door of the ga
133 Jhooper : If someone is acting suspiciously, you should report them to the authorities and let them make the decision as to whether or not somebody is a securit
134 GulfstreamGuy : I have not posted in awhile but I felt I needed to add my "2 cents" to this topic as well. Last year when I was working at an FBO, we had received inf
135 Tdscanuck : It may be a contract/classified thing...before I worked in aviation, I was in the oilfield. Our production platform was assembled at the Kiewit shipy
136 YULWinterSkies : Fully understandable at the moment. Therefore, if you already knew that information, why were you asking instead of retrieving by yourself? I would r
137 RussianJet : Because? Knowing the aircraft registration is going to do what exactly?
138 AirNz : With respect, I am not missing the point at all unless you are misconstruing that point into something it's not. The subject in question is clearly t
139 EL-AL : that's not new. I flew with Continental Airlines from MCO to EWR back in October 2005, and since it was dark I couldn't see the reg on the gate. Durin
140 Trex8 : this is a different situation to a commercial scheduled airliner. knowing where certain USAF aircraft are at certain times, especially ones carrying
141 Jhooper : Why do you complain about being asked to follow simple instructions? It sounds like they were being really nice and going above and beyond by even ac
142 Ttailfan : How's that? Double standard? Its clearly visible, its public knowledge, its painted in big numbers right on the aircraft in plain view of anyone look
143 Tdscanuck : Because the first and foremost part of being vigilant vis a vis security is watching for things that are out of the ordinary. As many have said, the
144 SixtySeven : PASS YOUR BOOK UP FRONT VIA THE FLIGHT ATTENDANTS. THERE WILL BE NO PROBLEMS.
145 RussianJet : No, it isn't particularly unusual. This is an excuse for paranoia. What, work for the airlines like he used to? Like many others do who also broadly
146 Ttailfan : Like I said in my reply 142..."I think this thread has become an endless circle that is accomplishing nothing at this point." Some say its paranoia,
147 Trex8 : there are a limited number of these vip planes and knowing where they are allows one to have an idea where the vips may be and that is a security iss
148 Jhooper : It's known in the Air Force as Operational Security, or "OPSEC". Just because a piece of information isn't classified doesn't mean we need to discuss
149 FlyASAGuy2005 : Why? Because some nut job did something stupid i'm not going to carry on with my life.. Again, why? Paranoia is not an answer; and that i exactly wha
150 Sean377 : Without counting, I'd say about half the people replying to this thread would give you the info and the other half wouldn't. Flight crew are only peop
151 Ttailfan : Intriguing statement...wonder if all those who say that there is nothing wrong with a reg number since its public information will accept THAT explai
152 Jhooper : I'm trying to draw the distinction between civil and military ops.
153 Ttailfan : I know what you trying to do. And my point is if it is a security issue for openly public information involving commerical airliners used in VIP role
154 Ttailfan : I MEANT commerical airliners purchased by the miliary in my last post.
155 Osu_av8or : On one of my more unfortunate trips, I was stuck at DFW waiting on a late EGF flight to make its arrival so I could get home. I politely asked the gat
156 Ttailfan : I'm always being asked at the gate how far out the plane is. We never know "exactly" but we know a projected time for arrival from their out and off
157 HotelDJRomeo : LOL - I cannot imagine why not! My guess is that 1) she was stressed or having a bad day, as you suggested... And 2) she didn't know the answer to yo
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