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User currently offlineLH121GLA From Germany, joined May 2004, 455 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

... that they take off of the intra-Italy routes soon?

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User currently offlineKingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1300 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4684 times:

Would they just put them on other routes? I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here; are the specific aircraft that operate the routes you mention somehow different than their other aircraft? Does FR even have specific aircraft for those routes?

-J.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4671 times:



Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 1):
I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here; are the specific aircraft that operate the routes you mention somehow different than their other aircraft? Does FR even have specific aircraft for those routes?

No I don't think they do. What he is asking is what will happen with the resulting slack in the fleet. Cutting all of those routes will leave planes with nothing to do unless they start new routes that will utilize the planes.



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User currently offlineKristiaanD From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4671 times:
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Probably they will store them till further expansion of the network or re-establishing their inter Italy network in the future.


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User currently offlineEvomutant From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4639 times:



Quoting KristiaanD (Reply 3):
Probably they will store them till further expansion of the network or re-establishing their inter Italy network in the future.

I would think storing aircraft is anathema to the Ryanair business model. Their margins are so tight they litterally can't afford it. Those things need to be flying, and they will, somewhere on the network.


User currently offlineBmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1811 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4540 times:



Quoting Evomutant (Reply 4):
I would think storing aircraft is anathema to the Ryanair business model. Their margins are so tight they litterally can't afford it. Those things need to be flying, and they will, somewhere on the network.

Although Ryanair do not technically store any specific aircraft, there are many aircraft sat at their bases as 'spare' aircraft that do not move all day. There's a lot of slack this Winter...

All Ryanair aircraft are identically configured with a Y189 configuration, and rotate through the system. Ryanair have announced increases in flights to other airports, such as Bournemouth which will see it's based fleet increased to two aircraft. There have been a number of threads that have the news of extra routes:

FR Announces 39th Base At Faro (by Dangould2000 Dec 16 2009 in Civil Aviation)
FR Returns To FUE + Other New Routes + New Airport (by Pe@rson Dec 18 2009 in Civil Aviation)
Ryanair Announces 38th Base - Malaga (by Pe@rson Dec 16 2009 in Civil Aviation)
New FR Routes From CRL And NRN (by Pe@rson Dec 8 2009 in Civil Aviation)
FR To Announce 7 New Routes From ALC (by Pe@rson Dec 2 2009 in Civil Aviation)
5 New FR Routes From BRS, 2 From LPL (by Pe@rson Nov 21 2009 in Civil Aviation)
FR To Fly To BOD - Its 26th French Airport (by Pe@rson Nov 2 2009 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4025 times:



Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 5):
Although Ryanair do not technically store any specific aircraft, there are many aircraft sat at their bases as 'spare' aircraft that do not move all day. There's a lot of slack this Winter

Very true. I flew from BOH recently and there were two FR 737s on the ground, even though BOH is currently a one aircraft base. Also, in HHN, there are a usually two spare 737s on the ground during winter.



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User currently offlineBeakerLTN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

I'm pretty sure the a/c that are currently used for domestic Italian flights will..................

........continue to be used for domestic Italian flightswhen they've finished their little tantrum.

[Edited 2010-01-04 03:19:57]


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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3853 times:



Quoting LH121GLA (Thread starter):
... that they take off of the intra-Italy routes soon?

My crystall ball says that they'll make a deal in the evening of January 22 and that they will just continue to fly in Italy.

Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 1):
Would they just put them on other routes?

In case they will indeed stop flying domestic routes in Italy, they won't launch new routes in January. It's a very slow season and - except when there will be a new airline failure - they won't be able to use them profitably.

Quoting Evomutant (Reply 4):
I would think storing aircraft is anathema to the Ryanair business model. Their margins are so tight they litterally can't afford it.



Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 5):
Although Ryanair do not technically store any specific aircraft, there are many aircraft sat at their bases as 'spare' aircraft that do not move all day. There's a lot of slack this Winter...

Indeed, when the revenues do not offset variable costs, they are better off parking the aircraft than flying them. With their flexible contracts for personnel and handling, they can easily decide not to fly.

AFAIK, they do not technically store the aircraft, but just decrease utilization. One of the reasons is that storing an aircraft isn't cheap. Also, after a certain number of days not using the aircraft, you need to perform an after-storage maintenance check. It's often better to park the aircraft for a few days and then use it again. This way, utilization (hours/cycles) for all aircraft goes down to an equal level for the whole fleet.

Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 5):
Ryanair have announced increases in flights to other airports, such as Bournemouth which will see it's based fleet increased to two aircraft.

Almost all these new routes start March 30. I doubt they'll pull it (much) forward. although FAO might be an exception as a winter-strong market.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3735 times:



Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 1):
Does FR even have specific aircraft for those routes?

No. As has been said intially the aircraft would probably 'sit on the ground' at the times of domestic flights.

If this goes on longer term either replacement international routes would be added and/or some aircraft withdrawn from Italian bases and sent to bases in lther countries. At some bases FR have contracts for the amount of passengers they must carry. Unless FR would rather pay 'fines' they may launch replacement international services in order to meet their contractual obligations. Either way the Italian bases would probably see a major schedule recast.



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User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3374 times:



Quoting BeakerLTN (Reply 7):
I'm pretty sure the a/c that are currently used for domestic Italian flights will..................

........continue to be used for domestic Italian flightswhen they've finished their little tantrum.

Precisely what I was thinking... I'm not too sure they're completely serious about this Italian domestic millarkey...


User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3062 times:



Quoting Vasu (Reply 10):
I'm not too sure they're completely serious about this Italian domestic millarkey...

Any more news from FR yet or are they still planning on culling their Italian domestics?

Any idea how many are to be cut?



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User currently offlineAirNz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3020 times:

Curious that many don't seem to know that the issue has already been resolved and Italian flying will continue. Although it'll no doubt disappoint some here ENAC backed down on the issue....not Ryanair.  smile 

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