KingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1277 posts, RR: 10 Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3570 times:
Would they just put them on other routes? I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here; are the specific aircraft that operate the routes you mention somehow different than their other aircraft? Does FR even have specific aircraft for those routes?
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14354 posts, RR: 26 Reply 2, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3557 times:
Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 1): I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here; are the specific aircraft that operate the routes you mention somehow different than their other aircraft? Does FR even have specific aircraft for those routes?
No I don't think they do. What he is asking is what will happen with the resulting slack in the fleet. Cutting all of those routes will leave planes with nothing to do unless they start new routes that will utilize the planes.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
Evomutant From Canada, joined May 2006, 365 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3525 times:
Quoting KristiaanD (Reply 3): Probably they will store them till further expansion of the network or re-establishing their inter Italy network in the future.
I would think storing aircraft is anathema to the Ryanair business model. Their margins are so tight they litterally can't afford it. Those things need to be flying, and they will, somewhere on the network.
BmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 10 Reply 5, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3426 times:
Quoting Evomutant (Reply 4): I would think storing aircraft is anathema to the Ryanair business model. Their margins are so tight they litterally can't afford it. Those things need to be flying, and they will, somewhere on the network.
Although Ryanair do not technically store any specific aircraft, there are many aircraft sat at their bases as 'spare' aircraft that do not move all day. There's a lot of slack this Winter...
All Ryanair aircraft are identically configured with a Y189 configuration, and rotate through the system. Ryanair have announced increases in flights to other airports, such as Bournemouth which will see it's based fleet increased to two aircraft. There have been a number of threads that have the news of extra routes:
Sam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 939 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2911 times:
Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 5): Although Ryanair do not technically store any specific aircraft, there are many aircraft sat at their bases as 'spare' aircraft that do not move all day. There's a lot of slack this Winter
Very true. I flew from BOH recently and there were two FR 737s on the ground, even though BOH is currently a one aircraft base. Also, in HHN, there are a usually two spare 737s on the ground during winter.
Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
In case they will indeed stop flying domestic routes in Italy, they won't launch new routes in January. It's a very slow season and - except when there will be a new airline failure - they won't be able to use them profitably.
Quoting Evomutant (Reply 4): I would think storing aircraft is anathema to the Ryanair business model. Their margins are so tight they litterally can't afford it.
Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 5): Although Ryanair do not technically store any specific aircraft, there are many aircraft sat at their bases as 'spare' aircraft that do not move all day. There's a lot of slack this Winter...
Indeed, when the revenues do not offset variable costs, they are better off parking the aircraft than flying them. With their flexible contracts for personnel and handling, they can easily decide not to fly.
AFAIK, they do not technically store the aircraft, but just decrease utilization. One of the reasons is that storing an aircraft isn't cheap. Also, after a certain number of days not using the aircraft, you need to perform an after-storage maintenance check. It's often better to park the aircraft for a few days and then use it again. This way, utilization (hours/cycles) for all aircraft goes down to an equal level for the whole fleet.
Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 5): Ryanair have announced increases in flights to other airports, such as Bournemouth which will see it's based fleet increased to two aircraft.
Almost all these new routes start March 30. I doubt they'll pull it (much) forward. although FAO might be an exception as a winter-strong market.
Humberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4901 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (3 years 4 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2621 times:
Quoting KingFriday013 (Reply 1): Does FR even have specific aircraft for those routes?
No. As has been said intially the aircraft would probably 'sit on the ground' at the times of domestic flights.
If this goes on longer term either replacement international routes would be added and/or some aircraft withdrawn from Italian bases and sent to bases in lther countries. At some bases FR have contracts for the amount of passengers they must carry. Unless FR would rather pay 'fines' they may launch replacement international services in order to meet their contractual obligations. Either way the Italian bases would probably see a major schedule recast.
AirNz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1906 times:
Curious that many don't seem to know that the issue has already been resolved and Italian flying will continue. Although it'll no doubt disappoint some here ENAC backed down on the issue....not Ryanair.
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