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REQ: B787 N6066Z On The Flight Line  
User currently offlinePetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 346 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12865 times:
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Hello,

I've read that a new ANA B787 has appeared on the flight lines at Everett, test reg N6066Z. Anyone know the line number please?

Thanks in advance.

Peter

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User currently offlineRheinbote From Germany, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12714 times:

My take is LN4. It's the only 787 previously without registration, apart from the higher-up line numbers. The other candidate would be LN13, which reportedly is the first aircraft to NC5 weight/systems standard.

LN1 - ZA001 - N787BA
LN2 - ZA002 - N787EX
LN3 - ZA003 - N787BX
LN4 - ZA004 - ???
LN5 - ZA005 - N787FT
LN6 - ZA006 - N787ZA
LN7 - ZA100 - JA801A
LN8 - ZA101 - JA804A
LN9 - ZA102 - JA803A
LN10 - ZA103 - JA8xxA?
LN11 - ZA104 - JA8xxA?
LN12 - ZA105 - JA8xxA?
LN13 - ZA115 - JA8xxA?
LN14 - ZA116 - JA8xxA?
LN15 - ZA117?
LN16 - ZA118?
LN17 - ZA119?
LN18 - ZA120?
LN19 - ZA121?
LN20 - ZA2xx? - JA851J
...
LN34 - ZA3xx?

  

[Edited 2009-12-30 07:21:17]

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30524 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12614 times:
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Are we sure this is not JA784A - a 77W? She's preparing for delivery.

ZA003 was not painted in NH colors - she has the new "Light" livery as does ZA006. And ZA100 - NH's first scheduled 787 delivery - is still in the FAL and unpainted.

[Edited 2009-12-30 07:36:49]

User currently offlineVirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12501 times:

Its so great to see the 787 finally in the skies, after waiting for years!  Smile


The amazing tale of flight.
User currently offlineRheinbote From Germany, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12306 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Are we sure this is not JA784A - a 77W? She's preparing for delivery.

Definitely a 787, see second video from top - plain white overall with ANA tailfin. ZA006 has a 787 tailfin and a thin blue wave line
http://kpae.blogspot.com/2009_12_20_archive.html

But no proof for my LN4 theory either...there is more than one overall white plane with an ANA tail.

Is this really LN3?
http://paineairport.com/kpae2653.htm


User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12213 times:



Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 4):
Is this really LN3?
http://paineairport.com/kpae2653.htm

I don't think so. LN3 just came out of the factory before Christmas and it went straight to paint, not to ATS.

Tom.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30524 posts, RR: 84
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12187 times:
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JA804A should be the second production frame - ZA101.

User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1979 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11992 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Are we sure this is not JA784A - a 77W? She's preparing for delivery.

Positive, on 28Dec09, I was at PAE (while MC was videotaping I believe) and can confirm JA784A was also seen, in full colors on the flightline.

Logged 3 ANA tailed 787s. One, JA804A, furthest of the two parked next to each other in the video, next to N6066Z, nearest of the two in the video. The 3rd one is a white bodied one facing the camera that I couldn't find a good angle to read off. I have left a comment/request with MC about which one that is.

JSD



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6405 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11942 times:

Do they circulate certain registrations around the planes or something? Because N6066Z was once one of the 77L test planes. But yes, now that plane is with PIA.

[Edited 2009-12-30 12:25:11]


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User currently offlineMattcawby From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 199 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11866 times:



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 5):
I don't think so. LN3 just came out of the factory before Christmas and it went straight to paint, not to ATS.

Did you see this?



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11776 times:

According to the FAA, the N-Number is owned by Boeing, but currently not assigned:

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=6066Z

Adding to the mystery  confused 

You would think that if the aircraft were to fly soon, they (Boeing) would have applied the registration to the aircraft which bears that registrtation...



Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11078 times:



Quoting Mattcawby (Reply 9):
Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 5):
I don't think so. LN3 just came out of the factory before Christmas and it went straight to paint, not to ATS.

Did you see this?

I wasn't physically there at the time (I was at Boeing Field that day), but it got caught on KPAE:
http://kpae.blogspot.com/2009/12/paine-field-december-23.html

Note that the photo referenced in Reply 4 is actually for LN3 moving to hanger/fuel dock, not ATS.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 10):
You would think that if the aircraft were to fly soon, they (Boeing) would have applied the registration to the aircraft which bears that registrtation...

I suspect that may not happen until the FAA actually grants the airworthiness certificate. That could be a while.

Tom.


User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10300 times:

ZA004 will be registered as N7874.

As far as I know the aircraft wearing N6066Z is LN09/ZA102 and was originally seen on the flightline covered in black plastic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7702824@N03/4178479318/
I dont think there is an aircraft wearing JA803A on the flightline yet.

ZA102 already has the wingfix and is the only production bird to have it so far.

[Edited 2009-12-30 19:06:08]

User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8597 times:

Do we know how many 787s on the line or outside are painted ?
Those on the line could have only the tail painted.
Is the first for RAM has the tail painted ?
Also would like to know if one 787 on the line has received the Northwest cs on the tail.
In that case , registration and LN ? Thanks !


User currently offlineRheinbote From Germany, joined May 2006, 1968 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8460 times:



Quoting FCKC (Reply 13):
Is the first for RAM has the tail painted ?

Wasn't that supposed to be LN18? In that case, it's not yet assembled.

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 11):
Note that the photo referenced in Reply 4 is actually for LN3 moving to hanger/fuel dock, not ATS.

So it *is* LN3? There was a commenter on Matt Cawby's website who wrote it actually was LN4 moving from ATS into 40-24, but the comment was removed, as it seems.


User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7748 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 13):

A summary from what info I have been gathering:

LN1 ZA001 N787BA Boeing c/s - located at BFI
LN2 ZA002 N787EX ANA c/s - located at BFI
LN3 ZA003 N787BX Boeing Light c/s - located on the flightline at PAE
LN4 ZA004 N7874 unpainted (assumed Boeing Light c/s) - located in hangar receiving wingfix
LN5 ZA005 N787FT Boeing Light c/s - located on the flightline at PAE
LN6 ZA006 N787ZA Boeing Light c/s - located in hangar receiving wingfix
LN7 ZA100 JA801A ANA tail and white fuselage - located on the flightline at PAE
LN8 ZA101 JA804A ANA c/s - located on the flightline at PAE
LN9 ZA102 N6066Z ANA tail and white fuselage - located on the flightline at PAE
LN10 ZA103 Soon to leave 40-26 (if not already)
LN11 ZA104 In 40-26
LN12 ZA105 In 40-26
LN13 ZA115 In 40-26
LN14 ZA116 Soon to enter final assembly (if not already)


Any corrections or additions welcome  

[Edited 2009-12-31 06:00:33]

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30524 posts, RR: 84
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7382 times:
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Quoting FCKC (Reply 13):
Is the first for RAM has the tail painted ?



Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 14):
Wasn't that supposed to be LN18? In that case, it's not yet assembled.

They were originally tasked to receive LN5 and LN6, though that's changed with their decision not to take them.


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7355 times:

N6066Z is a Boeing temporary test reg and is never assigned to any specific frame so there's no point looking at the FAA register for the msn.

R


User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7249 times:



Quoting FCKC (Reply 13):
Those on the line could have only the tail painted.

Bare CFRP and sunlight don't get along well. They should be either painted or covered.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 13):
Is the first for RAM has the tail painted ?

I haven't seen that on the flightline yet.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 13):
Also would like to know if one 787 on the line has received the Northwest cs on the tail.

LN3 had a Northwest tail (you could see it on the tour if you knew where to look) but the general a.net consensus is that it will get Boeing Light livery. I think the Northwest order is in limbo after the Northwest/Delta merger.

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 14):
So it *is* LN3? There was a commenter on Matt Cawby's website who wrote it actually was LN4 moving from ATS into 40-24, but the comment was removed, as it seems.

Sorry to be confusing...it's LN4. That's the ATS hanger, and LN3 never went there. The commenter was right, that's LN4 at ATS.

Tom.


User currently offlineFlypba From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7035 times:



Quoting RobK (Reply 17):
N6066Z is a Boeing temporary test reg and is never assigned to any specific frame so there's no point looking at the FAA register for the msn.

correct. Boeing has a number of reusable test-registrations that they use for foreign flag aircraft while performing flying tests.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30524 posts, RR: 84
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6986 times:
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Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 18):
I think the Northwest order is in limbo after the Northwest/Delta merger.

To date DL have decided to keep the orders and options on the books, just pushing deliveries out to an (at the moment) indeterminate future date.


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6949 times:



Quoting Flypba (Reply 19):
correct. Boeing has a number of reusable test-registrations that they use for foreign flag aircraft while performing flying tests.

They're not just used for foreign registered aircraft. I could give you plenty of examples of US registered aircraft using temporary regos too, and not just on the greenies either.

R


User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6850 times:

Thanks for the info Tdscanuck.

According to a comment on Jon Ostrowers blog, ZA004 was the fully painted aircraft being pulled from the ATS hangars on Dec 23. It was moved to 40-26 where it replaced ZA003 which went to the paint hangar. LN10/ZA103 is also in 40-26. LN11-LN14 are in final assembly with parts for LN15 arriving in the last couple of days.

ZA004:
http://paineairport.com/kpae2653.htm


User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1979 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6729 times:



Quoting FCKC (Reply 13):
Is the first for RAM has the tail painted ?
Also would like to know if one 787 on the line has received the Northwest cs on the tail.

In early summer, line number 3 and 4 had the NW red rudder installed and that was the closest they came to wearing the colors. Line 5 had the RAM rudder installed and line 6 had a royal blue rudder. Line number 7 had just arrived and was in various places around the hangar.

JSD



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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6360 times:

Not sure if the original question was ever answered with any certainty, but I can now confirm ln 9 ZA102 is the 787 wearing N6066Z.

R


25 Dan23 : Updated from various information: LN1 ZA001 N787BA - Boeing c/s - located at BFI LN2 ZA002 N787EX - ANA c/s - located at BFI LN3 ZA003 N787BX - assume
26 Jet-lagged : That's a lot of planes. At one time, Boeing had stated a plan to finish aircraft at a site in Texas to catch up on production delays, but I assume th
27 EBJ1248650 : Planes were to be finished at what used to be Kelly AFB in San Antonio, Texas. We haven't had any updates on that in quite some time so it's not clea
28 Ikramerica : N6066Z is obviously not for NH, so likely for another early customer, but if it's a placeholder reg, which airline doesn't yet want us to know they ar
29 Stitch : ZA102 (LN009) should be going to NH, since it's the second "production spec" frame. Last I heard, they only decided on not taking ZA001 (LN01) and ZA
30 Rheinbote : LN7-LN19 are all slated for ANA, except one, don't recall which one it was and for whom, LN18 comes to mind.
31 Dynamicsguy : I thought the work which was going to be carried out in Texas wasn't finishing off production aircraft as they are built. Rather I think it was for r
32 Stitch : San Antonio was always intended just to handle refurbishment, not assembly. With the 767 line so slow, Boeing will be moving 787's off of the 40-26 FA
33 Ikramerica : It's the third production spec. 100 and 101 are the first 2 and registered JA, but 102 is registered differently, with NXXXXX, a north american regis
34 Dan23 : Can ZA100/JA801A and ZA101/JA804A conduct test flights in the US wearing those registrations or do they need temporary US regos? Last I read, ZA100 wa
35 Ikramerica : Maybe that's why #102 has N6066Z? Allows them to use it for that purpose, yet still deliver #100 and #101 before type certificate is granted for airl
36 Dan23 : Thats what I was heading towards. We'll probably be able to gauge it by which of the production aircraft heads to the hangar for the wingfix first.
37 NYC777 : If I remember correctly, Boeing is going to use two production standard 787 (probably Za100 and ZA102) for some flight testing of some of the improve
38 Ikramerica : Yes, but the point is that it may not be ZA100. My guess, just a guess, is it will be 1 "group 2" aircraft and 1 "group 3" aircraft, meaning one from
39 Rheinbote : That's a very good guess - only that "Group 3" as you call it would be from LN20 onwards, as the Blockpoint is LN20.
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