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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16862 posts, RR: 51
Posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7588 times:

The Today show did a piece on the anniversary of Eastern flt #401:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/34629551#34629551


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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7437 times:

Thanks for posting. I remember watching the movies about this crash when I was a kid.

That Eastern F/A in the video who is still flying today--anybody know her?! I assume she is with AA now? Long time to be flying...


User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

The Flight Attendant is with AirTran.

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5029 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7362 times:

I like the proposed memorial! That is more than awesome, and it should be done.


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User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 7137 times:



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 3):
I like the proposed memorial! That is more than awesome, and it should be done.

 bigthumbsup 

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Reply 2):
The Flight Attendant is with AirTran.

Now, I know why she looks so familiar. I'm honored to be working for a company with such a dedicated crewmember. One of many. I hope I'll work with her soon and I owe her a heartfelt thanks and a hug. Not to sound over the top.

And from all accounts, that entire flight crew were heroes those living and sadly those that perrished including the Captain, First Officer and Flight Engineer. They were fighters to the end.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13560 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7097 times:
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Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Reply 2):
The Flight Attendant is with AirTran.

Yet ANOTHER reason that FL should buy the EA name and adopt the hockeystick livery!  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7082 times:
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Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 4):
And from all accounts, that entire flight crew were heroes those living and sadly those that perrished including the Captain, First Officer and Flight Engineer. They were fighters to the end.

Fighters to the end? Heroes? They let the airplane fly itself into the ground..... Repo maybe...



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User currently offlineFlymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7151 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7055 times:

Thanks for the post. A lot of people in Miami still remember that flight. I remember the Miami Herald did a good story about the survivors and the rescuers

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 3):
I like the proposed memorial! That is more than awesome, and it should be done.

Problem is it is in The Everglades. A national park which very delicate ecosystem one of the most diverse in the world. I like the idea but you have to get it passed by the Federal Government and the environmentalist. Maybe if they can make one outside the everglades closer to the city.



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User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4995 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6976 times:

And of course there is the issue of who would pay for it.
I do like the concept behind the memorial.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8344 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6891 times:
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Place the memorial at the Miami Airport, putting it in teh everglades where few will ever see it is of little value.

User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2222 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6785 times:

Thank you for posting the story. I particularly enjoyed seeing the original news footage from the day after the crash.

It might not be possible to put the memorial at the crash site, but I think they should put it in the Everglades, or at least on the edge of the Everglades, like they did for the ValuJet DC-9 memorial. Putting it in the Everglades would (1) give visitors a sense of the terrain where the crash took place, and the challengers rescue workers faced to get survivors to hospitals, and (2) be secluded enough that family members of the victims can have privacy, and quiet.

The memorial for the Northwest MD-80 that crashed at DTW in 1987 is at the actual crash site, which unfortunately was a freeway interchange. Anyone visiting the memorial is clearly visible to motorists passing by on the freeway, which gives them no privacy - and the noise from the freeway makes it almost impossible to even think clearly.



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User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2235 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6768 times:

With most of the L1011's parked, the rescued parts from the crash are likely no longer flying. I remember the stories/folklore about odd occurences on the aircraft that had parts from the doomed flight. Elevators that would move up and down to the galley on their own etc.

A memorial of some sort would be a nice gesture for sure.


User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6714 times:

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Reply 2):
The Flight Attendant is with AirTran.

I believe she is actually from the "original" AirTran. I have a friend who worked for FL when they only had 737-200s flying to/from MCO (before the ValuJet merger) and he told me, at the time, they had a flight attendant from flight 401 working for them.

I have posted this on here before, but I will post it again because I always thought it was interesting: Contrary to current practice, Eastern continued to use the flight number 401 on its late-night JFK-Miami flight well into the 1980s.

From 1982:

http://www.departedflights.com/EA030282p62.html

[Edited 2009-12-31 07:40:57]

User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1452 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6701 times:



Quoting Pnwtraveler (Reply 11):
With most of the L1011's parked, the rescued parts from the crash are likely no longer flying. I remember the stories/folklore about odd occurences on the aircraft that had parts from the doomed flight. Elevators that would move up and down to the galley on their own etc.

Speaking of this and The Ghost of Flight 401 movie, I have a bit of a humorous little anecdote.

I worked for ATA for over 7 years in the engineering department and we operated we many of the 'long body' -50/100s with the lower galley. We mostly did all of the C checks in-house and my department supported the engineering liaison during those checks. We had, I believe, either N188AT or N195AT in for a C check and it was turning into the check from hell...way behind schedule, recurring non-routine issues, and over 40 days in the hangar. Well, I got called down to look at something in the lower galley one day and one of our top structures mechanics, DJ, made a comment as we were walking out of the lower service door, "Did I just see Ernest Borgnine?". There were others there with us, but I was the only one that got it and burst out laughing. For those who don't know, Ernest Borgnine played the Flight Engineer, Dom Cimoli, who died in the crash and began haunting the other aircraft that used parts from the crashed aircraft. If I recall correctly, in one scene his face appears in the window of one of the lower deck galley ovens.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8808 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6675 times:
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Quoting Pnwtraveler (Reply 11):
With most of the L1011's parked, the rescued parts from the crash are likely no longer flying.

The rescued parts from "the WhisperLiner" were removed from Eastern's other L-1011s. And still to this day many ex-Eastern F/A's who work for AA still talk about Flight 401. I also agree that a memorial of some kind for the victims and survivors of Flight 401 should be commissioned.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2222 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6585 times:

Does anyone know for sure that parts from N310EA were salvaged and put on other L-1011s, or is this an urban legend?

Based on the condition of the wreckage, I find it hard to believe that anything from this aircraft was salvageable.

Robert Serling's history of EA, "From the Captain to the Colonel" says that none of N310EA's parts were salvaged. The rumours of salvaged parts started when an EA flight crew was ferrying an L-1011 on two engines, then another engine failed. When one of the ferry pilots was asked what it was like to fly an L-1011 on one engine, he said "I thought Don Repo's ghost was on board". According to Serling, that innocuous comment started all of the "haunted aircraft" rumours.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13560 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6413 times:
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Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 13):
For those who don't know, Ernest Borgnine played the Flight Engineer, Dom Cimoli, who died in the crash and began haunting the other aircraft that used parts from the crashed aircraft.

I'll never understand why they didn't use the actual names of the crew. The actual name of the F/E was Don Repo, but it was changed in the movie.



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User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1906 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6364 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 16):
I'll never understand why they didn't use the actual names of the crew. The actual name of the F/E was Don Repo, but it was changed in the movie.

.Privacy and legal issues would be the first two reasons I suspect.

Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 4):
Now, I know why she looks so familiar. I'm honored to be working for a company with such a dedicated crewmember. One of many. I hope I'll work with her soon and I owe her a heartfelt thanks and a hug. Not to sound over the top.

Zippy.you are not over the top...give her a hug from everyone when you see her. You are right, what an honor to have such an indivdual as a co-worker.


User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6342 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 16):
For those who don't know, Ernest Borgnine played the Flight Engineer, Dom Cimoli, who died in the crash and began haunting the other aircraft that used parts from the crashed aircraft.

Typical 70's movie revisionist history and production values.  rotfl  Also in one of the 401 movies they showed a Boeing 727 as the ill fated Eastern flight at the jet-way. Of course they then shot to an L-1011. At least both cheesy 70's flicks featured an L-1011 cabin. A good friend of mine also pointed out that there were Dodge Aspens and Plymouth Volares cruising the highways and bi-ways of Miami and this was supposed to be 1972! The Mopar mediocre auto twins did not roll off the assembly line until late 1974 where they were 1975 models.

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 6):
Fighters to the end? Heroes? They let the airplane fly itself into the ground..... Repo maybe...

This documentary says it better than I can.



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5029 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6320 times:



Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 13):
Ernest Borgnine played the Flight Engineer, Dom Cimoli, who died in the crash and began haunting the other aircraft that used parts from the crashed aircraft. If I recall correctly, in one scene his face appears in the window of one of the lower deck galley ovens.

Hold on a sec! Was it not Don Repo? I could have sworn it was Don Repo that was haunting L-1011's. Ghost of 401?



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6288 times:



Quoting RJpieces (Reply 1):
Thanks for posting. I remember watching the movies about this crash when I was a kid.

Boy do you know how to make a person feel old. I was working on the L-1011 production line when s/n 1011 (N310EA) went down.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 15):
Does anyone know for sure that parts from N310EA were salvaged and put on other L-1011s, or is this an urban legend?

I would not put any thing past EA. The story is that it was an galley oven that was reused. However, the L-1011 (Bormar) ovens were notoriously unreliable. It is likely that an oven, that at one time was installed on N310EA, was removed before he crash and re-installed on another L-1011, which lead to the legend.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13560 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6282 times:
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Quoting F9Animal (Reply 19):
Was it not Don Repo?

It was most definitely Don Repo. The movie changed the names of the flight crew.

Captain Bob Loft
First Officer Al Stockstill
Flight Engineer Don Repo

May these gentlemen and the souls who perished alongside them rest in peace.

http://www.ealflt401.blogspot.com/



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User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6251 times:
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Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 18):
This documentary says it better than I can.

What documentary?



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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5029 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6225 times:



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 21):
It was most definitely Don Repo. The movie changed the names of the flight crew.

Captain Bob Loft
First Officer Al Stockstill
Flight Engineer Don Repo

May these gentlemen and the souls who perished alongside them rest in peace.

http://www.ealflt401.blogspot.com/

I thought I was right on the name. I have shared the story with many, and always used his name. I thought for a minute that I have given the wrong name for all these years. I googled it shortly after, and realized I had the right name. It is indeed a tragedy, and I share your sentiments.



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User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1179 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6199 times:



Quoting Pnwtraveler (Reply 11):
I remember the stories/folklore about odd occurences on the aircraft that had parts from the doomed flight. Elevators that would move up and down to the galley on their own etc.

I believe that Delta had acquired a few L-1011's from Eastern and rumor had it that they
had a few parts from 401.


25 N702ML : There was a book I used to have....I forget the title. But it was all about the different aspects of an airline's operation. Anyway...the airline tha
26 Mattnrsa : I was born the night this plane crashed (I just turned 37 two days ago). I remember reading two books about the accident after I learned it happened w
27 DFWramper : I think you are referring to a book called "Frequent Flyer" by Bob Reiss. The author rode around in an L1011 for a few days following the aircraft ev
28 F9Animal : Wow! Great find. I really enjoyed it. Great great read if you have not done so.
29 EA CO AS : They did, and actually the only significant discovery was one L-1011 that had a kilo of cocaine stuffed inside an avionics bay door that had been obv
30 AirstairFear : I'm not sure I'd laugh quite yet sir. Ok, seriously, do we have any info on ships who got the salvaged parts? At any rate, I would surely not laugh.
31 Post contains images 474218 : The forward avionics bay door has a solid inner surface, covered with a non-slip material (it is part of the walkway between the avionics racks), so
32 TZTriStar500 : I'm sorry you feel that way, but mean no disrespect to those passengers and crew that survived or lost their lives on EA 401. I'm not sure what you m
33 EA CO AS : Okay Mr. Literal, I didn't mean within the door itself but rather behind it in the avionics compartment somewhere. But yes, it happened while DL guys
34 474218 : As I have said many time "words have meaning". I can't interpret what you mean, only what you have written. However, there was a story going around t
35 757GB : I've read quite a bit about the ghost stories. Normally people educated in technical fields tend not to believe that type of thing. For what it's wort
36 CF6PPE : I worked for EAL before and (a long time) after the N310EA event. The hull and all pieces of N310EA (including the engines) became the property of th
37 Cody : When Delta bought N308EA from the Eastern estate, there was a photo taken of the avionics rack and it had the serial number 1011 stamped on it. Wasn't
38 LMML 14/32 : There is also a mention about this in the book "The Ghost of Flight 401". In on anecdeote it is said that when one EA L-1011 was on lease to TWA the
39 727LOVER : I could have sworn the flight engineer survived. There was an extra person in the cockpit right? I assume the 2 movies are "Crash" and "The Ghost of F
40 Phatfarmlines : The fourth crewmember in the cockpit you are referring to is Angelo Donadeo, a L-1011 tech specialist with EA. He was deadheading to MIA on the jumps
41 Daviation : "Frequent Flyer" is a fascinating book (and published by my company!). Yes, the author was temporarily banned from the cockpit after making too many i
42 L1011 : 727LOVER; The Northeast crash at LGA that you are referring to was a DC-6A that crashed on Rikers Island. I don't know if they ever made a movie about
43 RJpieces : Random question: Does anybody know (or know a way to figure out) what runway at JFK EA401 departed from??
44 F9Animal : I am almost certain you can find it in the crash report from the NTSB.
45 RJpieces : Any easy way to find that?
46 Post contains links NIZMO : Try this link: http://libraryonline.erau.edu/online...raft-accident-reports/AAR73-14.pdf This is the NTSB report Ta
47 Type-Rated : Was flight 401 the only flight that ever had ghost activity associated with it? Back in 1962, NW lost a B720 in the everglades shortly after take off.
48 JFKMan : Wow thanks so much for posting this video! What an amazing story Eastern 401 is....
49 RJpieces : Read through it, but it doesn't mention the runway at JFK....Unless I missed that part.
50 WA707atMSP : There were actually FOUR crashes in the Everglades. In addition to the crashes we've discussed, a Braniff DC-7 crashed there on March 25, 1958. The B
51 JMackey : With the book being published by your company, do you know where I could purchase a copy at a fair price ?
52 Zippyjet : IMDb Search All Titles TV Episodes My Movies Names Companies Keywords Characters Video Quotes Bios PlotsAdvanced Search I believe that crash was Febru
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