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Chicago O'Hare In 1991  
User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9876 times:

With permission from the mods and for the sake of discussion I would like to let my fellow a.netters know that I have added the October 1991 Official Airline Guide timetables to my site.

The address is:

www.departedflights.com/ORD91intro.html

The most suprising thing to me....the routes that were once mainline that are now all RJs....

American Airlines mainline to Akron/Canton...3 times a day!

The many, many mainline flights a day to places like Allentown, Buffalo, Grand Rapids, Harrisburg, Milwaukee, etc,

The amazing number of wide-bodies to Detroit.

American's completely limited service to ANYWHERE in Florida....except Miami.

Delta's service to Florida! Almost like they flew Florida routes instead of American.

United's 3x daily mainline service to Houston Hobby Airport.

TWA's one daily flight to Kansas City....what was the point? I know at one point, TWA had a large presence on the route...but once daily?

Northwest's 747 service to Minneapolis/Saint Paul!

NO USAir service to Philly! Now one of their biggest hubs....no nonstop service.

Anyways....please check it out and diccuss!

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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2480 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9807 times:

Good stuff. I found it particularly interesting to note UA's service to Florida; pretty stout at the time, and out of this world compared to the options these days.

FWIW, my family was almost flew UA almost exclusively when I was a kid (growing up in Chicago) but it seems that anytime we travelled to Florida, it was on DL. Weird.


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User currently offlineJoemac547 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9764 times:
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Something appears to be missing....

There is no service between ORD and SFO on any carrier. Surely United (hub to hub) or American offered many flights each day?

Or am I missing something?


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9734 times:

Thank you!

I am assuming this is North American flights only??? I would be interested in seeing what the international line up looked like!


User currently onlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9739 times:

Quoting Joemac547 (Reply 2):
Something appears to be missing....

There is no service between ORD and SFO on any carrier. Surely United (hub to hub) or American offered many flights each day?

Must be an oversight. I can tell you for certain I flew non-stop from ORD to SFO on United for a wedding in October 1991. In fact, I think it was a 747 with continuing service to some place in Asia.

Edit: The SFO flights are shown on this page: http://www.departedflights.com/ORD91p12.html

[Edited 2009-12-30 19:45:19]

User currently offlineB595 From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2009, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9711 times:

Nice to see the Ecuatoriana 707 to Miami....
....and the AA D10 to Montreal.


User currently offlineIndyWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9531 times:

If I recall, the TWA service was a thru flight to/from JFK. Routing JFK-ORD-MCI/MCI-ORD-JFK. They had similar flights such as MKE-DTW-JFK, etc. IIRC

User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1564 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9464 times:



Quoting B595 (Reply 5):
Nice to see the Ecuatoriana 707 to Miami....

That was one that jumped out at me. Two others were Eagle's 10x ATR flights to RFD and AA's 4x weekday mainline flights to RST!

In general, the difference in regional service then and today is striking - the 1991 schedules shows virtually no service to major business destinations on regional aircraft. Flights like ORD-CLE and ORD-CVG, which are largely the domain of RJ's today, were entirely mainline back then.


User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9399 times:

Nice, I like the schedule back then. Would be nice to fly some of those aircrafts on short
flights.

PIA777



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5066 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9344 times:

My guess is that TWA's MCI-ORD was a "ferry" flight for planes going into the maintenance base for regularly scheduled checks.

Here are some mistakes I found. I think in 1991, AA still had a few 727-100s operating out of ORD. They also flew 767-300s out of ORD on domestic routes, mostly to the West Coast.

Delta flew L-1011s into ORD, mostly from ATL. Up until 9/11, the smallest plane for DL on ORD-ATL was the 757, with by variants of the 767 and the L-1011-1. At times, DL also flew the L-1011-500 on ORD-ATL, having flown on the -500 once in 1999.

I think DL also flew the 767-200 on ORD-CVG.

Some of AA's mainline routes went over to Eagle during the recession of the early 90s, such as ORD-MKE. Others went to Eagle, such as ORD-ALB, after the F100s were retired in 2004.


User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9268 times:

Wowzas, look at some of that...

ORD-BDL - 1991 (all daily, though weekend service limited):

UA - D10
UA - D10
UA - D10
UA - 72S
UA - 733
UA - 733
AA - M80
AA - M80
AA - M80
AA - M80
AA - M80

ORD-BDL - 2009:

UA - 319
UA - 757
UA - 757
UA - 320
AA - ERJ
AA - ERJ

-And according to the guide, United had a DC-10 and a 737-300 leaving within 1 minute of each other on SEA-ORD.

Amazing...great work! Thank you so much for posting!


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5062 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9102 times:

Thanks for the update- I appreciate the work, brings back memories. I see UA881 IAD-ORD 744, this was my first 744 flight.


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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9091 times:



Quoting N702ML (Thread starter):
American's completely limited service to ANYWHERE in Florida....except Miami.

Delta's service to Florida! Almost like they flew Florida routes instead of American.

AA preferred to route their Florida-bound customers through either DFW, BNA, or RDU. DL, OTOH, flew ORD-Florida routes for decades.



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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1077 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8830 times:

THREE mainline (733) UAL flights to New Haven,CT?????

User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8794 times:



Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 13):
THREE mainline (733) UAL flights to New Haven,CT?????

Yes, the flights lasted until 1995.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8267 times:

I wish Eagle still served SBN-ORD like UAX does... "no AA at SBN" is a common complaint among folks in the South Bend/Michiana area, IIRC. I wonder if the South Shore trains at SBN eventually killed SBN-ORD for Eagle. Could they make SBN-DFW work like they make FWA-DFW and EVV-DFW?

Oh, and the glory days of:
-FWA-ORD on Air Whisky/UAX BAe 146s and ATPs... ZW had an MX hangar for the 146 and ATP at FWA at the time (now used by 9E for the CRJ).
-From AA and UA mainline ORD-ONT to no service from Chicago-ONT for years (until WN starts service next year on MDW-ONT)? That's incredible.
-Eagle from ORD-LAF, a city with no commercial service today. (Though there is a study being conducted on the feasibility of commercial service at LAF again... maybe we might see Eagle or UAX at LAF.)



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User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8268 times:

Thanks as always for these - very interesting!

My perception has always been that the reason we no longer see large aircraft on routes that we used to is the infusion of RJs and smaller mainline planes on very frequent headways. To confirm that, I checked ORD-BOS schedules using your 1991 schedule vs. today. My perception doesn't seem to match reality, at least on this route - where have the passengers gone?

The only airlines I could find which operated ORD-BOS service today are AA, UA and JB:

Today:
AA:
9 daily nonstops: 5 MD80 and 4 738

UA:
8 daily nonstops: 4 319, 2 757, 1 E170, 1 320

JB:
1 daily nonstop: E190

... versus 1991, which was exclusively AA and UA territory. In 1991, there were 20 daily flights on this route vs. today's 18. However, in 1991 all of the flights were mainline and 6 of the 20 were DC-10.


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2431 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7949 times:



Quoting Airport (Reply 10):
And according to the guide, United had a DC-10 and a 737-300 leaving within 1 minute of each other on SEA-ORD

They sure did - I was always careful to book myself on the DC-10. They used to fly four or five a day ORD/SEA with a couple narrow bodies thrown in. I have a photo somewhere from around 1990 showing all the DC-10's and 767's lined up at the C gates for the late afternoon bank of departures. If I can find it, I'll post it. It's not of a.net quality, but it ain't bad either


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2431 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7534 times:

OK - found that photo. Here's UA terminal one circa 1990

Big version: Width: 484 Height: 340 File size: 18kb


User currently offlineWindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2690 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7480 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 15):
-FWA-ORD on Air Whisky/UAX BAe 146s and ATPs... ZW had an MX hangar for the 146 and ATP at FWA at the time (now used by 9E for the CRJ).

United Feeder Service flew the ATP's and the hangar MX base was at South Bend

Quoting JohnJ (Reply 16):
The only airlines I could find which operated ORD-BOS

I flew ORD-BOS on Nortwest Orient a few times in the late 80's. It was a DC-10

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 9):
such as ORD-ALB, after the F100s were retired in 2004.

Albany went from S-80's to RJ's right after 9/11

Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 4):
I can tell you for certain I flew non-stop from ORD to SFO on United for a wedding in October 1991. In fact, I think it was a 747 with continuing

I flew that one also in 92. Also for a wedding. It was a 747-400



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5815 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7303 times:



Quoting ER757 (Reply 18):
OK - found that photo. Here's UA terminal one circa 1990

I miss that sight.... Smile My dad used to try and get the family on DC-10 flights whenever possible so I have allot of fond memories of ORD-SEA/SFO/LAX/BOS on the 10.



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2431 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7259 times:



Quoting Windy95 (Reply 19):
I flew ORD-BOS on Nortwest Orient a few times in the late 80's. It was a DC-10

Most likely flt #76 - ANC/SEA/ORD/BOS
Flight 75 went westbound, 76 was the return. I flew #75 ORD/SEA once or twoce myself.
I loved the DC-10, sorry they're all gone now. My last trip on one was HA SEA/HNL about a month before they put a 763 on the route.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24075 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7085 times:



Quoting 777fan (Reply 1):
FWIW, my family was almost flew UA almost exclusively when I was a kid (growing up in Chicago) but it seems that anytime we travelled to Florida, it was on DL. Weird.

Until deregulation in 1979, AA had no traffic rights between Chicago and Florida. Neither did UA. The only carriers with rights on ORD-Florida routes prior to 1979 were Delta, Northwest and Eastern. To get to Florida on UA prior to deregulation you had to connect at CLE or PIT (those Florida routes inherited from UA's 1960 merger with Capital Airlines). AA had no service to Florida untill the early 1980s.


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2431 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7015 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
Until deregulation in 1979, AA had no traffic rights between Chicago and Florida. Neither did UA. The only carriers with rights on ORD-Florida routes prior to 1979 were Delta, Northwest and Eastern.

Yeah, I remember an NW TV commercial when I was a kid that ended with their slogan "Fly Northwest to Florida" and they had a map of the USA flipped upside down so that FL was Northwest of IL. Pretty clever actually.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2480 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6932 times:



Quoting ER757 (Reply 18):
OK - found that photo. Here's UA terminal one circa 1990

Awesome pic.

Quoting United1 (Reply 20):
My dad used to try and get the family on DC-10 flights whenever possible so I have allot of fond memories of ORD-SEA/SFO/LAX/BOS on the 10.

Funny, we avoided the DC-10 like the plague; one of my father's best friends was a newspaper photographer sent to cover the crash scene of AA191 in 1979. He quit the following day and never discussed what he saw. We flew the -10 when we had to, mostly on UA HNL-ORD flights when the 747 wasn't making the trip.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
Until deregulation in 1979...

No doubt - we always flew nonstop from ORD to MIA, PBI and FLL since traveling with two kids was a chore before the advent of TSA, shoebombers, and 31" pitch in Y. I have some fond memories (mostly of three-holers) involving a hotdog kids meal on EA, an exceptionally turbulent ride on a NW 727, and an epic delay due to an engine issue with a DL 727.

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25 Isitsafenow : Wasnt that about the time TW was pulling out of ORD(sold gates to AA) and moved to MDW? They came back to ORD a couple of years later. That was the M
26 Cba : Spotting was so much more fun in those days... I miss the variety in aircraft types. These days half of the airports you go to are full of only 737s a
27 ER757 : Had a friend who was in the press at the time and I saw some slides of the photos he took that were too graphic for publication. Gruesome indeed - I
28 AFORMSGUY : I flew from St Louis to O'Hare in November 1991 just to spend the day planespotting. I flew up on American and hung out at the big window on the end o
29 KingFriday013 : What surprises me is that ORD had AA A300 service. I looked at the detailed schedules, and there were two daily flights to MIA (as well as three other
30 Type-Rated : And NW was also a big player in the ORD-Florida market. I remember their ads, "Fly Northwest To Florida" and below was a picture of the U.S. turned u
31 Viscount724 : In the April 1, 1974 OAG there were 28 daily ORD-Florida nonstops each way, all DL/NW/EA, including 7 widebodies (2 DL 747s and 1 NW DC-10 ORD-MIA, 1
32 IndyWA : Maybe the ATP but I don't think it was a HS748!!
33 AFORMSGUY : ATP, Oh thats what that thing was called. Well at least I didn't say Nord 262.... I went back to O'Hare in October 1992 via United and noticed that Co
34 United1 : One of my cousins was on that flight. I never felt unsafe on the 10 and my dad, as a UA employee, never seemed to have any hesitations of flying them
35 Carpethead : Happy New Year to everybody. It ended in 1998 as result of UA doubling up with the 744 and AA with MD-11 on the ORD-NRT route. It was also much more n
36 777fan : My apologies. I got over the stigma as well (most of the -10 incidents predated my earliest memories and flying experience) and had no problem flying
37 JBAirwaysFan : Wow, the days of UA mainline between ORD and HVN. UA doesn't even fly to HVN anymore. As for no ORD-SFO, there were 3x ORD-OAK consisting of 2x 757 an
38 Ckfred : AA used to fly mainline on ORD-HPN. The main aircraft were F100s until they were retired. Then AA put 738s on the route, but then the 738s were pulle
39 Post contains links N702ML : Actually both Air Florida and the original Midway served HPN with mainline jets: Air Florida served (at various times) Washington, Chicago, Boston an
40 Tommy767 : its funny how even back then AA was flying S80s between LAX-ORD. UA was flying 733s between the two as well!
41 JMackey : Just have to give kudos to you on a great website ! I am checking it out thoroughly, and find that it's a great resource.
42 ORD2PHL : Indeed - I grew up in the NW suburbs, very close to O'Hare and can remember many nights on the ball field and in the backyard with 32L international
43 DCA-ROCguy : Those were the days---nine to ten daily mainline flights on ROC-ORD. All through my high school and college years, and into the 1990's, UA flew five o
44 JMackey : And today, UA is using A319's LAX-IAD ! I do miss the days when capacity was up more on North American routes.
45 MAH4546 : Coincidentally, yesterday was the last day of S80 ops on LAX-ORD.
46 JMackey : I wonder if there were any gate space issues along E and F, especially as UA added more and more flights out of ORD. Were there specific banks of depa
47 Tommy767 : Wow that is VERY interesting. Remember back in 2006 when AA on LAX-ORD was all S80 and 1x 763? Ugh yeah the A319 is the jet you just love to hate but
48 WA707atMSP : From the late 1960s onward, most airlines at ORD (with the possible exception of Eastern and TWA) had gate space issues at ORD. Ozark, for example, r
49 Isitsafenow : I think you meant AA took over the G except for the Air Canada gate. I never saw a UA bird or or gate on the G in all the years I used ORD. safe
50 JMackey : WA707- You cleared up my big question here and I appreciate it. Must have been tough on UAL in the late eighties-1991 to deal with gate space restrict
51 Uaord2000 : UA flew ORD-HPN until recently. 2004ish? I actually was on the last flight from HPN-ORD on a 737. Just can't remember the exact date!
52 Post contains links and images SLCUT2777 : This is the best aerial image I've available of ORD at about that time. UA had their concourse up and running by that time. Hence the reasons for bui
53 AEroc : I noticed that MKE is the only ORD AA market with shared AA/MQ operations. Did AA employees work the Eagles or the other way around? Did MKE have DFW
54 JMackey : I would think that it was Eagle working the mainline flights, with their lower pay scale. It may have allowed the MKE Eagle station to offer more peop
55 WA707atMSP : On the departed flights website, there are two ORD terminal diagrams from 1986 / 87. The 1987 diagram shows that UA had gates G2, G4, G8, G10, and G1
56 Cubsrule : I'm curious about HPN-ORD in the early 90s. The 1991 timetable on departedflights shows all of the service as 733s. I flew the route the following ye
57 Centrair : When did NW do ORD-NRT? I flew that in 1993.
58 WesternA318 : Becasue at the time, it was just another city to them, the hub was originally Eastern's (kinda) then Midway's, which US got into it after Midway fail
59 WA707atMSP : NW flew Chicago-Tokyo nonstops from 1977 until 1998.
60 AmricanShamrok : Is there any way you can view the international flights (outside of North America) from ORD in 1991?
61 Milesrich : Prior to the Deregulation, EA was traditionally the largest carrier between ORD/MDW and Florida, DL was 2nd and NW was 3rd. (DL may have had more ser
62 Post contains links Airport : http://www.departedflights.com/ *sigh*
63 Type-Rated : In 1974 I flew FLL-ATL on UA, it was a 737. I connected in ATL to NW to ORD as UA didn't fly ATL-ORD at the time. Ah, the fun of being able to make up
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