Steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1535 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9208 times:
Quoting B595 (Reply 5): Nice to see the Ecuatoriana 707 to Miami....
That was one that jumped out at me. Two others were Eagle's 10x ATR flights to RFD and AA's 4x weekday mainline flights to RST!
In general, the difference in regional service then and today is striking - the 1991 schedules shows virtually no service to major business destinations on regional aircraft. Flights like ORD-CLE and ORD-CVG, which are largely the domain of RJ's today, were entirely mainline back then.
Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 4906 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9088 times:
My guess is that TWA's MCI-ORD was a "ferry" flight for planes going into the maintenance base for regularly scheduled checks.
Here are some mistakes I found. I think in 1991, AA still had a few 727-100s operating out of ORD. They also flew 767-300s out of ORD on domestic routes, mostly to the West Coast.
Delta flew L-1011s into ORD, mostly from ATL. Up until 9/11, the smallest plane for DL on ORD-ATL was the 757, with by variants of the 767 and the L-1011-1. At times, DL also flew the L-1011-500 on ORD-ATL, having flown on the -500 once in 1999.
I think DL also flew the 767-200 on ORD-CVG.
Some of AA's mainline routes went over to Eagle during the recession of the early 90s, such as ORD-MKE. Others went to Eagle, such as ORD-ALB, after the F100s were retired in 2004.
FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3521 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8011 times:
I wish Eagle still served SBN-ORD like UAX does... "no AA at SBN" is a common complaint among folks in the South Bend/Michiana area, IIRC. I wonder if the South Shore trains at SBN eventually killed SBN-ORD for Eagle. Could they make SBN-DFW work like they make FWA-DFW and EVV-DFW?
Oh, and the glory days of:
-FWA-ORD on Air Whisky/UAX BAe 146s and ATPs... ZW had an MX hangar for the 146 and ATP at FWA at the time (now used by 9E for the CRJ).
-From AA and UA mainline ORD-ONT to no service from Chicago-ONT for years (until WN starts service next year on MDW-ONT)? That's incredible.
-Eagle from ORD-LAF, a city with no commercial service today. (Though there is a study being conducted on the feasibility of commercial service at LAF again... maybe we might see Eagle or UAX at LAF.)
I don't work for FWA, their tenants, or their ad agency. But I still love FWA.
JohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1640 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8012 times:
Thanks as always for these - very interesting!
My perception has always been that the reason we no longer see large aircraft on routes that we used to is the infusion of RJs and smaller mainline planes on very frequent headways. To confirm that, I checked ORD-BOS schedules using your 1991 schedule vs. today. My perception doesn't seem to match reality, at least on this route - where have the passengers gone?
The only airlines I could find which operated ORD-BOS service today are AA, UA and JB:
9 daily nonstops: 5 MD80 and 4 738
8 daily nonstops: 4 319, 2 757, 1 E170, 1 320
1 daily nonstop: E190
... versus 1991, which was exclusively AA and UA territory. In 1991, there were 20 daily flights on this route vs. today's 18. However, in 1991 all of the flights were mainline and 6 of the 20 were DC-10.
ER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2343 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7693 times:
Quoting Airport (Reply 10): And according to the guide, United had a DC-10 and a 737-300 leaving within 1 minute of each other on SEA-ORD
They sure did - I was always careful to book myself on the DC-10. They used to fly four or five a day ORD/SEA with a couple narrow bodies thrown in. I have a photo somewhere from around 1990 showing all the DC-10's and 767's lined up at the C gates for the late afternoon bank of departures. If I can find it, I'll post it. It's not of a.net quality, but it ain't bad either
ER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2343 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7003 times:
Quoting Windy95 (Reply 19): I flew ORD-BOS on Nortwest Orient a few times in the late 80's. It was a DC-10
Most likely flt #76 - ANC/SEA/ORD/BOS
Flight 75 went westbound, 76 was the return. I flew #75 ORD/SEA once or twoce myself.
I loved the DC-10, sorry they're all gone now. My last trip on one was HA SEA/HNL about a month before they put a 763 on the route.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 23154 posts, RR: 23 Reply 22, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6829 times:
Quoting 777fan (Reply 1): FWIW, my family was almost flew UA almost exclusively when I was a kid (growing up in Chicago) but it seems that anytime we travelled to Florida, it was on DL. Weird.
Until deregulation in 1979, AA had no traffic rights between Chicago and Florida. Neither did UA. The only carriers with rights on ORD-Florida routes prior to 1979 were Delta, Northwest and Eastern. To get to Florida on UA prior to deregulation you had to connect at CLE or PIT (those Florida routes inherited from UA's 1960 merger with Capital Airlines). AA had no service to Florida untill the early 1980s.
ER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2343 posts, RR: 7 Reply 23, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6759 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22): Until deregulation in 1979, AA had no traffic rights between Chicago and Florida. Neither did UA. The only carriers with rights on ORD-Florida routes prior to 1979 were Delta, Northwest and Eastern.
Yeah, I remember an NW TV commercial when I was a kid that ended with their slogan "Fly Northwest to Florida" and they had a map of the USA flipped upside down so that FL was Northwest of IL. Pretty clever actually.
777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2441 posts, RR: 3 Reply 24, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6676 times:
Quoting ER757 (Reply 18): OK - found that photo. Here's UA terminal one circa 1990
Quoting United1 (Reply 20): My dad used to try and get the family on DC-10 flights whenever possible so I have allot of fond memories of ORD-SEA/SFO/LAX/BOS on the 10.
Funny, we avoided the DC-10 like the plague; one of my father's best friends was a newspaper photographer sent to cover the crash scene of AA191 in 1979. He quit the following day and never discussed what he saw. We flew the -10 when we had to, mostly on UA HNL-ORD flights when the 747 wasn't making the trip.
No doubt - we always flew nonstop from ORD to MIA, PBI and FLL since traveling with two kids was a chore before the advent of TSA, shoebombers, and 31" pitch in Y. I have some fond memories (mostly of three-holers) involving a hotdog kids meal on EA, an exceptionally turbulent ride on a NW 727, and an epic delay due to an engine issue with a DL 727.