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CO B787, When?  
User currently offlineTraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 353 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6099 times:

According to Continental, they expect to receive their first 787 in 2011. Any idea which line numbers would be for CO and if this is a realistic expectation on the part of CO?

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User currently offlineNws2002 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 891 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

Last thing the employees were told was third qtr 2011.

[Edited 2009-12-31 12:35:38 by srbmod]

User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5611 times:

Most of CO's orders are for the 787-9 anyway. Those will take longer to be delivered.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16858 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5530 times:



Quoting Cba (Reply 4):
Most of CO's orders are for the 787-9 anyway. Those will take longer to be delivered.

They recently changed the order, adding more 787-8s and less 787-9s. The order was 8 787-8s and 17 787-9s, now it's 11 787-8s and 14 787-9s. I'm guessing that they added more 787-8s as some early spots became available.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3939 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5507 times:
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I wouldn't put any money on a delivery in 2011. 2012 seems to be more likely.


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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5331 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
They recently changed the order, adding more 787-8s and less 787-9s. The order was 8 787-8s and 17 787-9s, now it's 11 787-8s and 14 787-9s. I'm guessing that they added more 787-8s as some early spots became available.

Makes sense... they probably want some aircraft sooner for expansion.

The 789 will likely be the real gem of the family however when it is rolled out... much like the 763 eclipsed the 762.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3939 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5225 times:
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I would like to know what the top brass want to do with these now. No need to fly IAH-FCO/MXP anymore, and MAD wont be on the top of the charts with no codeshare on SpanAir set at this point.

IAH-China has got to be on the top of the list.



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User currently offlineFun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5078 times:

The previous schedule was 2 77e's in 2010, 3 in 2011 and then 787's in 2012. There was a rumor that CO cancelled their 3 77e's for 2011 and ordered 11 more 787's. I'd guess we'll know either in early Jan when Boeing releases their information, mid-Jan when CO releases their Q4 information. If CO cancelled their 2011 77e's, then they must have somehow obtained some type of lift for expansion in 2011 guessing it would be 787's. Smisek's first bold move. More to follow...

User currently offlineCO58 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 51 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5049 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 6):
I would like to know what the top brass want to do with these now

Why don't you swing by the Schedule & Planning floor and ask someone?  Wink

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 6):
IAH-China has got to be on the top of the list.

Definitely but CO has to wait around till the next set of route authorities.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3939 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5037 times:
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Quoting CO58 (Reply 8):
Why don't you swing by the Schedule & Planning floor and ask someone?

I can't anymore  Sad

Quoting CO58 (Reply 8):
Definitely but CO has to wait around till the next set of route authorities

of course. With that said, would like to know what else.............codesharing with OS has gone through, so maybe ICN service. Codeshare with NZ will begin soon, but I dont see AKL coming online.



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User currently offlineFun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4910 times:



Quoting CO58 (Reply 8):

Definitely but CO has to wait around till the next set of route authorities.

Is tha true? Can't someone file for US's abandoned PEK slots? Texas to Asia must make some sense as AA tried it at least once.


User currently offlineCOEWR787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4714 times:



Quoting CO58 (Reply 8):
Definitely but CO has to wait around till the next set of route authorities.

What about more non-stops to India? Isn't there open skies between US and India supposedly?


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3939 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4703 times:
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either jeff or Jim Summerford had stated before that they would like to have more india markets, however, that will come once the 787 comes on board.


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User currently offlineBeagleboys From Italy, joined Jun 2006, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3070 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 6):
I would like to know what the top brass want to do with these now. No need to fly IAH-FCO/MXP anymore, and MAD wont be on the top of the charts with no codeshare on SpanAir set at this point.

IAH-China has got to be on the top of the list.

Why not MXP? AZ has left the spot but, correct me if i'm wrong, CO now is a *A member. And a flight to MXP can help the LHI operation.
*A should convince all the Miles&More user of the old AP to fly with them. Actually AZ & AP are giving a good service on LIN with some nice long haul links from FCO, CDG and AMS. LH and *A should create an hub to keep all those people from lombardy fidelized with them. That's why CO, AC & the oriental partner should start a lot of flight on MXP with the help of LHI. We are specking of an area with some of the biggest industries of the world and with HQ for the EMEA area of some of the biggest business(Like IBM).



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16858 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2473 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 12):
either jeff or Jim Summerford had stated before that they would like to have more india markets, however, that will come once the 787 comes on board.

They mentioned Bangalore, Hyderabad and Chennai specifically.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3939 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2452 times:
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Quoting Beagleboys (Reply 13):
Why not MXP

new codeshare agreements and cities that are in STAR could generate more traffic (ICN). With CO's new IAH-FRA flight and LH's existing, should be good enough.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16858 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

How about IAH-BRU, IAH-ZRH.


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3939 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2351 times:
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I wouldn't count on ZRH......BRU maybe with the ability to hit parts of Africa. But with the codeshares of OS, (MS - proposed), the possibility of having a HND slot as well as more India destinations, I think IAH-BRU/ZRH probably wont happen.


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User currently offlineCO58 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 51 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2333 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 14):
They mentioned Bangalore, Hyderabad and Chennai specifically.

Things have certainly changed since then and while I can see a lot of potential with Bangalore, I think Chennai and Hyderabad are extremely risky. For example with Hyderabad, KL quit and LH is starting to day of week their current flight. I am not sure a non stop from EWR would work so well. Chennai is another one of those question marks as it is rather low yielding.

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 15):
new codeshare agreements and cities that are in STAR could generate more traffic (ICN).

ICN makes a lot of sense with the 787 in my opinion.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):
How about IAH-BRU, IAH-ZRH.

I have often wondered about these two routes. I think they are perfect for the 762 however, not the 787. I can see IAH-ZRH having a lot of potential as a FRA alternative but if LH starts IAH-MUC, I think this route is a goner. IAH-BRU could do well for African connections but I don't see a lot of traffic otherwise so maybe its time for CO to consider a Privatair 73G.


User currently offlineConti764 From Belgium, joined Dec 2007, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

Maybe SQ could introduce a regular SIN-BRU-IAH route and CO can codeshare on the transatlantic leg of the flight?

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3939 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1896 times:
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Quoting Conti764 (Reply 19):

right now, SQ is not on the immediate horizon for codeshare. But not a bad idea, however, with them already offering service thru DME, I dont think they would switch or add a 2nd.



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User currently offlineConti764 From Belgium, joined Dec 2007, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1654 times:



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 20):
right now, SQ is not on the immediate horizon for codeshare. But not a bad idea, however, with them already offering service thru DME, I dont think they would switch or add a 2nd.

I mean to have red somewhere that they were planning on introducing SIN-BCN-IAH...

I don't know the market between SIN and IAH, but adding BRU as a stop in between might be a good flight for SQ. The market between SIN and BRU is too small to operate a direct rotation and I guess the market between IAH and BRU is even smaller, so no need for CO to deploy a 762 (the only viable aircraft in CO's fleet for such flight). If they'd be working together though, the combination IAH-BRU, SIN-BRU and SIN-IAH could make it work.

Of course, if such market is really there and sustainable, CO could try it themselves, but then again, it would make two T7's necessary for such operation (since the only alternative would be the 762 and it would barely make it) and I don't think CO has the capacity to use two T7's on this route.

Speaking about CO codesharing... Any news about a possible codesharing with SN when the latter stops codesharing with AA? SN would loose it's link to NYC and although the CEO mentioned JFK as a possible US destination of SN, this would still be years away and a connection to NYC seems imminent for SN...

Or about the already much mentioned second EWR-BRU rotation?


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