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DL Out Of LIM - Why Huge Weight Restrictions?  
User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3214 posts, RR: 13
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14321 times:

Hey all,

Right now, a fellow a.nut buddy of mine is stuck in LIM trying to nonrev home. The last two days he's tried to nonrev on DL's LIM-ATL, both on the 764 on the 772ER, with no success. Both days, the flights went wide open - the 764 had about 25 open in BusinessElite while the 772ER had 45 opening in BusinessElite plus room to spare in Coach.

The agents told him he won't be leaving LIM on DL for awhile, so he's started trying to get out on AA who, over the last 5 days, has left LIM completely full on every flight, both 763 and 757. No denied boardings to nonrevs due to weight limits.

So my question is this... with ATL only about 500 miles further from LIM than MIA, why does DL have such significant weight limits, even on a 777-200ER?? This route is only about 6.5 hours, and yet a 772ER can't go full?? So why the HUGE restriction?? High airfield elevation, short runway, or are there greater aircraft performance requirements or maybe more demanding engine-out performance??

Either way, I'm still a bit perplexed as to how AA 763's and 757's can go full while DL 764's and 772ER's take significant limits.




[Edited 2009-12-31 12:00:15]

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User currently offlineGlobaldude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14285 times:

Bags and Cargo are the most likely reasons for this

User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3214 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14270 times:



Quoting Globaldude (Reply 1):
Bags and Cargo are the most likely reasons for this

A 777-200ER is supposed to be able to go 13-15 hours with full pax, bags, and cargo. LIM-ATL is only 6.5 hours, so there is definitely something else causing this.


User currently offlineThenoflyzone From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 2580 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14239 times:

cargo has priority over nonrev no? LIM is a HUGE cargo route.

There is nothing else causing this. They are picking up cargo before nonrevs.

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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3214 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14212 times:

Quoting Thenoflyzone (Reply 3):
There is nothing else causing this. They are picking up cargo before nonrevs.

At MAXIMUM payload, a 777-200ER's range in 5500nm, which is *well* beyond the 2760nm distance of LIM-ATL.

So even if DL put on a maximum cargo weight, bringing the aircraft to MZFW of 430,000#, it could still fly 5500nm. Again, something else is causing this.

[Edited 2009-12-31 11:42:05]

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3985 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14158 times:
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i've had bad experiences dealing with the CO staff as well. If it was like my experience, they didn't think there was enough time to clear me at the ticket counter to get down to the gate in time for a departure.

Something doens't seem right either......if you can get 2-3 halfweights counted, you can get one person on. Who knows if they are calculating that as well. I'd tell your buddy to be on the lookout for the crew as its coming to the airport and have a talk with them and see what they say. B/C I doubt they are running up against the ZFW or any other limitation.



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User currently offlineDispatchguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14156 times:

Bags and cargo always go before nonrevs, plus on some routes, there are significant terrain issues that can cause a weight limitation.

If a specific route allows all the revenue payload to be carried, but no more, then I am not going to reroute to accomodate nonrevenue payload.

I remember when the 764 operated LIMATL that many routes out of LIM had SIGNIFICANT terrain issues. I cant imagine a B777 to be much better...

As for half weights, when a flight is weight restricted (called Payload Optimized in DL-speak) one thing the station is responsible is getting a very accurate kid count so they can determine the final allowable cabin payload.

My guess, without seeing a release, is the driftdown requirements of the terrain north of the area.

[Edited 2009-12-31 11:45:48 by dispatchguy]


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User currently offlineCAP2008 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14133 times:

Haha, thanks Matt. Glad to see my epic FAIL of getting home making it to CivAv :P

Just a little background info- LIM is basically right at sea level (113ft), temps are consistently in the 60's, as DL 150 departs at 0130 under full cover of dark. The runway is ~11500ft, which is pretty much on par with any other major airport. Most pax do pack heavy on this route, I'd say an average of 1.75 (heavy) checked bags per person.

I'd take a shot in the dark and just say that DL has some sort of exclusive contract for some type of dense cargo. just my  twocents 



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User currently offlineWestern727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 751 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14118 times:

Isn't LIM a high-altitude airport? Perhaps that's a factor?


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User currently offlinePeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14109 times:

Is your friend a DL employee? Buddypass?
He should be able to get to the source then and find out if there are any embargo's or other travel warnings.
A friend recently told me DL has warned their employees (by memo) about, amongst others, LIM-ATL and JNB-ATL nonrev due to operational limits and extra cargo.



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3214 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14082 times:

Quoting Dispatchguy (Reply 6):
My guess, without seeing a release, is the driftdown requirements of the terrain north of the area.

*facepalm*

I'll pull up a release and see if I can't find out the details. Good idea, haha.

In any case, why would AA be able to go full all the time?? AA has huge cargo contracts to and through MIA, so I'd imagine they carry just as much cargo, if not more, out of LIM.

Quoting CAP2008 (Reply 7):
Haha, thanks Matt. Glad to see my epic FAIL of getting home making it to CivAv

I would say "I told you so", but considering how I personally recommended taking the 777, I don't have much room to talk  

Quoting Peanuts (Reply 10):
Is your friend a DL employee? Buddypass?

He travels on S2/S3, the highest possible NRSA priorities.

[Edited 2009-12-31 11:54:35]

User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1603 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14076 times:

It is likely a combination of cargo and terrain. Although the cargo wouldn't limit a 77E range wise it can prevent the aircraft from achieving necessary altitude quickly enough to safely pass elevated terrains without having to re-route.

I know that DL carries a LOT of cargo out of Lima, I am not as certain but pretty sure that there are some pretty steep mountain ranges in the area.


User currently offlinePeanuts From Netherlands, joined Dec 2009, 1442 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14031 times:

Would it have anything to do with the direction of take-off??? (mountains in the way?) If winds change and a different runway direction is utilized, he may have more luck getting out. I don't know how LIM is set-up.
Gluck CAP2008. New Year's eve in Peru huh. lol.

[Edited 2009-12-31 12:07:37]


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3985 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13988 times:
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Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 11):
He travels on S2/S3, the highest possible NRSA priorities

well, if he would be #1, you calculate 3 half weights, he can get on.........so something seems fishy.



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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2444 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13864 times:



Quoting Western727 (Reply 8):
Isn't LIM a high-altitude airport? Perhaps that's a factor?

No, Lima's airport elevation is 113 ft. Lima sits on the Pacific coast; LIM airport is lower elevation than LAX, which is 126 ft.

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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5199 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13761 times:

I don't get this. KLM flies LIM-AMS daily with a 772ER with a full payload.

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3985 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 13696 times:
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Quoting KL911 (Reply 18):
I don't get this. KLM flies LIM-AMS daily with a 772ER with a full payload

we need to get ourselves a copy of the RLS!!



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5933 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13525 times:



Quoting CAP2008 (Reply 7):
I'd take a shot in the dark and just say that DL has some sort of exclusive contract for some type of dense cargo. just my

you can not emagine how packed is DL with cargo.
Just to get a idea, minimum pivot weight for a LD7 position is 3000kgs / normal in the industry is 1650kgs. The point is that we are currently at the hight season for asparagues, which is high dense cargo, I am sure that the DL 777 goes with average 25.000 to 35.000 kgs of cargo out of LIM.

cheers and regards from Lima.

Avianca



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3214 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13513 times:



Quoting Avianca (Reply 20):
cheers and regards from Lima.

Thanks for the info!!!

Do you know, does AA carry the same, or similar, cargo loads out of LIM that DL does??


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5933 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13491 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 21):
Do you know, does AA carry the same, or similar, cargo loads out of LIM that DL does??

yes, to be honest, in high season all carriers out of Lima are fully loaded with cargo.
Big advantage is that AA carries the big bunch of the cargo on the 767 flight, on morning 757 flight mostly only express freight.

Cheers
Avianca



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User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1134 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13474 times:

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 2):
A 777-200ER is supposed to be able to go 13-15 hours with full pax, bags, and cargo. LIM-ATL is only 6.5 hours, so there is definitely something else causing this.

It could very well be balance issues esp with the 764. If the fwd cargo bin is heavier than the aft end, then NRSA would be left off in business/first class. Since the 764 carries the large pallets only in the fwd bin & heavy with produce, that would explain it. The same problem exists from SCL. One would have to have a copy of the weight data record to see the reason.

As for AA, the 757's should 99.9% of the time never have weight issues & the 763's don't usually have the balance issues of the 764's.

[Edited 2009-12-31 14:27:08]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25720 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13452 times:



Quoting Avianca (Reply 20):
currently at the hight season for asparagues,

 checkmark  and the reason why DL has consistently flown large aircraft down to LIM.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 21):
Do you know, does AA carry the same, or similar, cargo loads out of LIM that DL does??

Yes on its widebodies. The 757s not so much as asparagus is normaly containerized.

To give you an idea of how big this business is, airlines operate 747F down to LIM solely for the asparagus load.



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User currently offlineBinMonster From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13447 times:

LIM - ATL just set a cargo record
On Thursday 03DEC, Delta Flight 150 from Lima, Peru, to Atlanta set a cargo record for the highest number of tonnage carried out of Latin America and Lima with 75,654 pounds of cargo.

The LIM team bulk loaded a 160 bags to make room for cargo.

I checked todays flight, empty seats but only confirmed passengers on-board
over 45,000 cargo today.

Flight 150 is listed on Pass Travel Alert Page.
The flight is being payload optimized


User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14173 times:



Quoting CAP2008 (Reply 7):
I'd take a shot in the dark and just say that DL has some sort of exclusive contract for some type of dense cargo. just my

That's gotta be the case!! I've noticed on DLnet, they've been posting travel warnings for the Lima flight virtually every week warning non-revs not to try these flights due to cargo weight restrictions.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2950 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14142 times:

Yep, the Asparagus I just bought at Safeway says "Produce of Peru". Now I know how it gets here!


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25 CV880 : And the empty seats are in the front end, probably for balance, not necessarily weight. It's the one big disadvantage of a full cargo load on a 764.
26 Transpac787 : Yea but it seems that the AA 763 is able to go out full - at least the past 5 days it has taken nonrevs until there are no seats left aboard. I under
27 Post contains images Transpac787 : By the way, thanks to everyone for all the quick responses. Looks like it's up to AA to bring the nonrevs home
28 Avianca : we are talking about 50.000 tons in high season months, only of asparagus... but the market is not a easy market for the carriers as the rates are go
29 Mir : Keep in mind that if DL fills up the aircraft to MZFW with cargo, they can't put any more pax on. So how far they're going doesn't really matter. -Mi
30 CALMSP : was there any payload remaining? I ended up taking CM through PTY..........try that? no, but are they calculating half weights?
31 Mir : One would hope so if they apply. -Mir
32 WorldTraveler : having seen DL's weight and data records for multiple aircraft types on LIM-ATL, I can tell you that DL fills the a/c to max landing weight in ATL whi
33 DL Widget Head : Don't know if this is the reason or not but when I was at EA, they would tanker fuel into LIM on the L1011 so that they did not have to buy as much in
34 Avianca : yep they had 34067kg of cargo and 35769.76 kg of fuel loaded! on todays flight 31.12.2009 they had 20839kg of cargo and 33150.54 kg of fuel loaded
35 Dispatchguy : if the flight is set to Payload Optimize, half weights are counted as such.... And I would bet money that the LIM station people are fully familiar w
36 CALMSP : my experience has taught me otherwise..............does LIM work their own pilot weight manifest or does DL load planning closeout the flight? okay,
37 Dispatchguy : ALL DAL load planning system wide (including the pre-merger NWA flights) are done from the 3rd floor of the OC2 building in ATL.
38 CALMSP : i dont mean creating the load plan, but finalizing it.................so every station worldwide sends the final pax/bags/cargo numbers to ATL?
39 Dispatchguy : Yes, load planning starts doing the prework several hours before push time, and works with the stations closely when there are issues, such as not be
40 Hugoandres1984 : The MD80 has weight restriction in LIM also. The minimun enroute altitud on any route between Colombia, Ecuador and Peru are very high. If they have a
41 BinMonster : Go to DELTANET then under depts. go to HR then to pass travel and then to pass travel alerts or just do a search for pass travel alerts or pass embar
42 MD88Captain : The non-rev restrictions are totally due to the aircraft being loaded with cargo up the max landing weight (in ATL). They put on the fuel/alternate fu
43 CALMSP : that may be true, however, I doubt that every day can be filled up to exactly less than 180lbs on every flight. You may be a good dispatcher/load pla
44 Deltabobo : Well, it seems you follow me too, Doug!!! Anyways, a 757 (or 767) doesn't need to worry about driftdown. The 757 (powered by PW2037s or RB211-535E4s)
45 Aviationbuff08 : Translation = NRSA are almost certainly left behind to take pictures as the aircraft departs. I am intereested as to what this means.,, as I am consi
46 FlyASAGuy2005 : LIM has consistantly lead DL's station's in cargo revenue. Not very surprising honestly. Happened to me many times...
47 Nethkt : Totally agree. Flights were just simply weight-restricted at MZFW due to large amount of cargo from LIM. It happened many times with VS005/VS006 on L
48 Dispatchguy : American uses something called (well, they did) AEB - additional enroute burnoff, where if a nonstop direct flight plan puts a flight (with all of th
49 SQ773 : Same happened to me this October. I wanted to nonrev on KL LIM-AMS. Y class had 49 free seats. But They took the ocassion to load the maximum cargo p
50 DAirbus : I can confirm that the cargo loads out of LIM are brutal. I worked the International ramp in ATL several years ago and I still remember the K-loader s
51 Deltabobo : Ready for abbreviation explanation? Me neither. Anyways, D/P - Depressurization 1EO - 1 Engine Out (2EO on a 757/767 = LONG DART) PF - Pilot Flying P
52 EASTERN : I got stuck trying to nonrev on this route last March when it was still the 764. No nonrevs got on. Was bummed because I was trying to get home after
53 WorldTraveler : DL and most airlines do not tanker fuel unless there are supply issues. Even in countries w/ currency movement issues, there are ways to work w/o usi
54 AndyGarrett : Since cargo seems to be a reason and asparagus is mentioned several times does anyone know what is so special about said asparagus that we can't grow
55 CALMSP : i understand that, as this is the case at a number of int'l destinations. However, 30 minutes out you can get a pretty good idea on what you're going
56 Post contains links CitationJet : "Peru is one of the few countries where high quality asparagus is produced year round, due to warm and favorable weather, because asparagus plants do
57 Mir : Basically, there are two things that could force an airplane to descend. One is an engine failure (1EO - one engine out), in which case the aircraft
58 WorldTraveler : and no one is saying that DL is leaving a 2000 pound payload margin on the ground. A couple hundred pounds, perhaps; thousands of pounds, no.
59 Transpac787 : AA saved the day - he made it on the 763 to MIA. I appreciate everyone's posts but my question still remains: How is AA able to take nonrevs and DL no
60 PGNCS : The restrictions are almost certainly due to huge amounts of cargo and max landing weight issues in ATL; MZFW issues can also crop up.
61 CALMSP : I'm confused by your statement in reply 58..........even you say that it is filled right up to MZFW/MLW. As are others who are posting. so has anyone
62 Peanuts : I think the answer may be somewhere in here: (different practices between DL and AA)
63 CALMSP : i'd say bad planning on DL agents in LIM. Until someone can provide some numbers, I'd say this is all there is to go by. CO carries large amounts of
64 WorldTraveler : I'd say that you are making an assumption that cannot be backed up... if anything, DL is operating on a more strict system but then that shouldn't co
65 CALMSP : personal experience what are you trying to say.......... so, the company has layed out a process for employees to fly, stations can't just make up th
66 LAXtoATL : this ignores that fact the company (at the corporate hq not the LIM stattion) has issued non-rev travel advisories at the corporate level warning aga
67 Transpac787 : Well, considering how AA consistently leaves with full cabin and what I presume to be full cargo (if not more cargo contracts than DL), it seems DL i
68 ArmitageShanks : I don't know about you all but I'm really starting to hate asparagus.
69 WorldTraveler : which is a fraction of what the whole situation includes, isn't it? you're absolutely right.... stations can't do what they want to do and people up
70 CALMSP : you truly dont understand the point I am bringing up by your posts. Do you have any experience in dispatch or load planning? if you can provide some n
71 CALMSP : not when i have almost daily experience
72 WorldTraveler : would you like to tell us why you are commuting from LIM to ATL on a daily basis? OTOH, If it happens multiple days on the same trip, it simply tells
73 CALMSP : never said I commute out of LIM your statements are leaning toward the idea that NO NONREVS ARE ALLOWED OUT OF LIM!! All we're asking for is some inf
74 Dispatchguy : For all we all know, there are facilitation issues at LIM, where like someone else said, since they cant preclear them at the ticket counter upon che
75 Post contains images CALMSP : yes, this can be a problem, as this happened to me the first time I was down there years ago. This can be the problem like you said, in other places
76 Ocracoke : I think that this is probably part of the AA answer (as to why AA can take non-rev's while DL can't). According to the quote above by Avianca, almost
77 Avianca : they have of course also cargo contracts but is it much more easier to get ad hoc space on AA than on DL out of LIM, as DL has sold nearly the 100% o
78 Mayor : On DeltaNet, you've got to look on the Employee Connection page and from there, go to "Travel"........on the left side of that page, it shows the fli
79 Dispatchguy : Thanks Avianca, That is extremely impressive - I hope the Cargo Sales manager that runs the LIM Freight operation got a very good holiday bonus. Not b
80 WorldTraveler : will the numbers below do or do you want detailed data for each of the flights you were apparently bumped off of? All of this confirms that DL is a G
81 CAP2008 : Indeed, spent new years sitting on AA918, about 15 mins prior to push :P Me too, my new year's resolution was to not eat asparagus in 2010 The funny
82 CALMSP : where are the numbers? this thread has turned into a cargo shipping topic. Some would like to know payloads.......what amount of payload is DL leavin
83 LAXtoATL : LOL, I wonder where they got it from?
84 Post contains links Avianca : In my opinion DL should look into the possibility to charter freighters for the high season, they could fill without a problem a 2 x weekly 747F (mos
85 CALMSP : can anyone with access to DL's computer tell us all how much payload was remaining when the LIM-ATL flight left?
86 Eugdog : But why is the so much cargo from Lima to the US. I could understand Hong Kong or Japan may have loads of cargo. I mean how much cocaine can you put o
87 Avianca : as before mentioned mainly asparagus, also other perishable items and a lot of clothes, brands like Abacomby etc... are producing down here in Peru.
88 Transpac787 : Same as you, it would seem
89 MGASJO : AA Flight 918 today carried 5,154kgs of asparagus, 7,826kgs on the 1st, none on the 31st and some 2,400kgs on the 30th all connecting to LHR. That do
90 Frostbite : Somewhat off topic...but does anyone have any insight as to DL's use of 767-400s on ATL-CCS over the last year or so? This seems like a lot of capacit
91 BinMonster : Passenger demand and US exports to CCS
92 Avianca : important to mention that cargo can not be the factor why they use the 764 on the route. DL does not even sell on the northbound, and does not move a
93 Frostbite : Interesting, thanks for that info. CCS must be one of the few SouthAm-USA markets with little cargo business.
94 CALPSAFltSkeds : Could it be that AA has better passenger loads from LIM and plans to carry only the cargo that will combine with a full pax load? Then NRs could get o
95 Yellowtail : Then why was the AA overrun flight in KIN the other day tankering fuel? No supply issues there last I checked. Airlines routinely tanker fuel to BZE
96 LAXtoATL : I'm pretty certain that was a passenger aircraft and not a tanker involved in the AA KIN incident.
97 Mayor : Do you know what "tankering" is?? It's when an airline puts an extra amount of fuel on board a flight at the origin, so fuel won't have to be put on
98 Jimbobjoe : I was curious to know what you had against it. Or do you believe that the AEB does not reasonably meet that FAR section quoted.
99 Dispatchguy : I dont think that telling the crew to "go burn it somehow" is a smart thing. Crew'll forget, land over MLDW, and now you have a plane at an outstatio
100 LAXtoATL : Apparently I did not know what "tankering" was. Now I do. I thought that tankering fuel was the process of carrying fuel as cargo. (I was aware of th
101 CALMSP : so 6 days later no one is willing to give information as to how much payload remaining the flight is leaving LIM with?
102 Mayor : Anything on a flight plan or weight/data record MIGHT be considered proprietary. I'm not sure....just a thought. It has been my experience that DL's
103 Avianca : yes and not only to the US, the second biggest cargo player out of Ccs (AV) has a aproximate cargo loadfactor of 19% ... so you can immagine....
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