Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12932 posts, RR: 34 Posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13775 times:
Dia dhaoibh a chairde agus blian nua shona dhaoibh go leir!
Welcome to the first Irish aviation thread of the 2010s! It'll be interesting to look back on this a decade from now and see just how far we'll have come. We enter the new decade in the grip of an economic crisis and although the world seems to be emerging from recession, we probably have some time to go before we emerge, thanks largely to our banking sector. As the 1st January 2010 dawns, Ryanair is poised to make a third bid for Aer Lingus and Aer Lingus looks likely to ally itself with Aer Arann, in a bid to introduce some smaller capacity onto UK routes and fend off the Ryanair attack.
Transatlantic routes have suffered as a result of the recession and with the spectre of terrorism hanging over us, as a result of the failed terror attack on Christmas Day 2009, we have extra security precuations, which may well have a devastating effect on transatlantic aviation. I'm wondering if Aer Lingus might introduce a Canadian route, or find other ways of taking capacity off US routes.
What will the next decade bring for Irish aviation? Well, I guess that's determined very much by the speed at which Ireland emerges from recession., but I think also by the extent to which the ability of aviation to contribute to economic growth is recognised at government level; I hope to see a new focus on air cargo and to see aviation being recognised as a potential contributor to developing new markets, particularly in Asia. It's vitally important to be aggressive in developing new markets.
How will Low Cost airlines fare this decade (how will their fares fare?); will FR, U2 and others still dominate? How much of a threat to aviation will environmental issues be and will aviation still be very much a "whipping boy" for the environmental movement?
There are massive challenges ahead for aviation everywhere, but what are our hopes for it and its ability to contribute to Irish society and economic growth?
- That aviation will be successful in developing new technologies - minimising CO2 output, using cleaner fuels (or synthetic fuels), being seen as "friends of the environment", not something that's automatically bad - and clearly, that's hugely important for an island economy like Ireland's.
- That the aviation technology can be developed that will make peripheral markets like Ireland much more easily and economically accessible, both for passengers, and also for exports.
- That we complete another decade of zero fatalities for Irish airlines, and finally,
- Go mbeidhimid anseo ag an am seo sa bhlian 2020!
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 28665 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13720 times:
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 5): How's the weather at DUB at the moment?
Not sure if its snowing in DUB? Here on the Down/Louth border its very cold and icy and some black ice. Last night was terrible with storm force icy winds. I know that parts of Wicklow were without electricity and some mobile masts were off air.
Lucky the winds were mostly overnight so dont think it would have caused too much flight chaos.
Teahan From Ireland, joined Nov 1999, 5339 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13712 times:
Happy New Year everyone!!
In Kerry, it's a crip and beautiful night... but absolutely freezing cold outside.
Hoping for many good things for Irish aviation in 2010.
Btw a book about Kerry Airport was recently published: "Kerry in the Jet Age, Kerry Airport 1969 - 2009". An interesting historical background to the airport with photos from the early days. Also a small piece about Concorde doing a flyby at an airshow there back in 1984...
Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
SHAMROCK604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4293 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 13566 times:
Quoting Irish251 (Reply 14): Is being vectored for approach to runway 28 at DUB. SAS4603 from OSL and DLH4CK from FRA also inbound..
Airport back open since 1030am. Things are moving nicely again, with a minimum of slot delays. Several cancellations of early morning departures mean schedules are resuming with a minimum of fuss with everything in the right place.
The snow was also of the pellet variety which when compacted gets nice and slippy.... take care on the roads folks....
and happy new year..
Flown EI,FR,RE,EIR,VE,SI,TLA,BA,BE,BD,VX,MON,AF,YS,WX,KL,SK,LH,OK,OS,LX,IB,LTU,HLX,4U,SU,CO,DL,UA,AC,PR,MH,SQ,QF, EY, EK
Tonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1983 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13485 times:
Happy New Year everyone!
Seems that we're not off a particularly god start with DUB being closed for a period this morning due to snow. Lets hope it is not an indication as to how the rest of the year is going to work out. I think we can all agree that 2009 is a year we'd all prefer to forget for a whole variety of reasons. As always, our own pet interest has been particularly hard hit with swathing cuts at all Irish airports by all airlines. Best we can do for now is look forward to 2010 hoping that things have at least bottomed out during 2009. Anyway, here's to a new year and lots more new things to talk about.
TravelExec From Spain, joined Dec 2007, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13400 times:
Happy New Year to all...
1st flight of the year for me tomorrow - out of BFS... Anybody know how things are faring up there weather-wise? Between the airport, and the M1 to get up there from Dublin, I am feeling a little pessimistic for my chances...
BrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 4033 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13245 times:
Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 21): I see QR are sending A319s to CPH this year, anyhope of a DOH-DUB with A319?
I suppose it is not beyond the bounds of possibility, although I suspect that aircraft like the A319/A320s are used where there is small amounts of high-yield traffic to Qatar itself, surely an airline would need relatively high fares to cover the costs of an A319 on such a long route? I think Nibog is right, EY would eat them for breakfast. Speaking of EY, do they have any 2-class A330s?
Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
That said, the 777-300ERs, of which 6 are in service and 10 on order, are configured for two classes.
As for QR, I wouldn't discount them coming in; I wonder if they might consider flying cargo acft to DUB ahead of pax aircraft. Why be the second with a pax connection, when they can get a head start with freight (although I know, of course, that EY flies plenty of belly cargo on its flights; QR has a fairly decent sized network, bigger than EY by now I think).
: Things seem to be improving at DUB tonight anyway. Just wondering, will Etihad's new DUB lounge be open to all fliers for a cost? I have a feeling it
: I have to agree with you Gosimeon,I really wanted to use them for my trip to DXB in April,yet it worked out considerably cheaper to fly with BA,in fa
: Hope everyone had a great holiday and an great start to 2010! Ouch! that would be a long flight in a narrow-body. But it would be an interesting servi
: Im sure it will out-do other lounges at DUB, although to be fair it would take very little to out-do the BD lounge and not much more the Anna Livia,
: What a coincidence, I just bought that book today. It's good enough-lots of pics including an EI 735 and a FR 732 at KIR together.
: Etihad have fot 2 class A330s, in fact they dont offer Diamond class service to DUB, it was dumped shortly after he route started altough Pearl seems
: I didn't know that DUB is now a two-class service. I don't think there are many destinations left with sustainable demand for F. Perhaps the crew did
: The EY aircraft would have had a two man crew, whereas the DL from ATL would have had a third crewmember.
: Yes I think so also EY would want to keep it exclusive. Will be great to have a top class lounge in Dublin. With good facilities brings other bonuses
: I remember a couple of months ago our 757 flight into KIR being delayed for over 2 hours because they were already expecting another 757 and could no
: Yes the apron is very small, which is why I'm wondering how much FR can possibly expand there!
: I had heard that when EI did DUB-DXB they actually made a profit overall due to the large amount of fright they took on each flight. USA-DUB-DXB was
: Yes, but after counselling and breathing exercises, all the passengers enjoyed the journey! Seriously, though, I can't get over what a dog's dinner w
: I've just come across this fantastic website which shows the live position of flights over Europe, including Ireland: http://www.radarvirtuel.com/ You
: I think a huge part of DXB being pulled was the fact that US open skies arrived shortly after, and EI needed to open up new routes to the US to take
: Fantastic site, thanks for posting the link. Currently tracking a DUB-KIR
: Im not convinced that EI would ever have been as successful as EY are. EY have an impressive hub serving a large number of destinations on the Pacifi
: Thanks for that; I've used that a few times and it's great for t/a overflights. It might not have been as successful as EY, BUT had it been better th
: There's an interesting movement in Shannon tonight - an Aer Arann flight RE4026 with the routing BFS-SNN-ORK. It's on the ground at SNN for 15 minutes
: Arent Munster playing Ulster in Belfast?
: Pretty good. There is also the Google Earth add-on for the Irish skies here: http://ei7dar.com/aircraft.html On a clear sky like today, lots of fun w
: Aww say nomore. Why did they pick BFS as opposed to BHD though?
: Yes they are. Bringing the Munster team back home after a nice beating .
: They actually flew into BHD this morning, but are departing from BFS. Im assuming the aircraft must of positioned up after arrival in BHD, probably d
: Speaking of sports related flights, I see WX are flying football charters now Glasgow Cityjet WX337 03-01-2010 18:55 Manchester Cityjet WX335 03-01-20
: I was a little dissapointed not to see a photo of the TAP A310 which is said have landed in Kerry in the mid-1990s. I know a photo featured in a loca
: They have been for a while. With LCY closed for much of the weekend, there must be a good bit of aircraft downtime to use up.
: Didnt realise that, just noticed those 2 flights on the DAA website an thought it was interesting.
: Back in work after a nice few days off over the new year! Bad start had a BD waiting an hour for their bags and 2 BYs wating 40 mins. No nasty passeng
: Sorry, what's a BY flight? (I thought it might be Britainnia's flight code, used by Thomsonfly, but wasn't sure if they're still using this?)
: Hovering over the BY code suggests NEW: Thomsonfly (United Kingdom). you are quite right though, I haven't seen the IATA code used on departure scree
: Just think guys, 2010 is gonna be a very tough year for Shannon isn't it? After the end of March, all they will have in terms of year-long routes will
: I was down there this morning and the place was packed. There was 8/9 EI check-in desks open for what must have been very full flights to JFK, BOS an
: I hope not Im flying out Fingers crossed it passes over DUB without dropping.
: Definately. Just to put Summer 2010 in contrast with Summer 2007 (which was the busiest year for SNN), there's a huge difference: 2007 AGP - 3x weekl
: That is frightening. Time to revisit our airports "policy" in this country. Its great for FR to have them all fighting over his business - not so gre
: I think so, unfortunately. I think it's fair to say that travel as a whole has taken a massive hit in Ireland as a whole, but SNN has taken a much to
: Nice catch Kaitak - Is BA001 bookable from SNN? First flight of the year yesterday - U2 from BFS to AGP. 1 hour delay. In the end, the M1 was grand a
: SNN had an impressive range of US destinations when you look back - ATL, BOS, JFK, EWR, ORD, PHL and YYZ. It does indeed seem like an age. Britannia
: I think it would be great to go back to the SU days of IL's and A310/B767/TU154. SNN was like a mini hub for SU.
: "The planes with the weird writing" as I used to call them. I was too young at the time to recognise the significance of SU at SNN. I'm sure many mem
66 Aer Lingus
: interestingly I think the opposite. While i do like U2, i much preferred their 73G's to the Airbus. I have never sat on anything more wooden-like tha
: I remember them well; I recall going on a school trip down to SNN in Feb '85 (my God, that's 25 years ago next month!!), and I wrote to them to see i
: Even two dailys to ORD! Twas like a dream come true. Course it was way too much capacity but still That reminds me, on one of my monthly "airport day
: LOL... when I was growing up it was Greek with the E round the wrong way Has been discussed on her a few times about the SU days. Its an era that we
: The thing that amazes me is that in 23 years the A320 has been in service the cabin has changed very little, from an aesthetics point of view. The A3
: I know there were some Irish staff and some Russian staff, I remember the Russian staff at the gate. Also we were one of only a handful of passengers
72 Aer Lingus
: I believe I read somwhere the BA1 crew check-in at LHR and then trek out to LCY so the transit time is considered part of their duty day. As a result
: Really??? Thats interesting. How long is a duty-day, for most carriers? I the situation also an overnight at SNN for cabin crew? looks like a 3/4 day