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Colgan Applies To Fly IAH-MTY With Q400  
User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7317 times:

I guess this means the Q400 is coming to IAH? Interesting.

http://www.regulations.gov/search/Re...#documentDetail?R=0900006480a6d128


-A


What now?
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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7326 times:

Quoting UN_B732 (Thread starter):

yes, the new Q400's are coming to IAH. I didn't think that Mexico cities were goign to be used, but I guess so!! I think its 15 new Q400's will also be based in IAH, just like EWR.

[Edited 2010-01-03 09:34:50]


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User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1302 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7318 times:

Does this also mean the first Q400 to fly US to Mexico?


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7312 times:

I was hoping the next batch of Q-400s were also for EWR.


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User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1302 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7302 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
I was hoping the next batch of Q-400s were also for EWR.

Well, there was the wiki rumor saying 8 Lynx Q400s would fly for CO starting in May 2010. I don't know what this application does to prove or disprove that rumor.



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User currently offlineSuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7057 times:



Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 2):
Does this also mean the first Q400 to fly US to Mexico?

When Horizon started flying to Mexico, there was a lot more work they had to do to get the Q400 certified in Mexico (as the plane has never been there on scheduled service). That was planned as a step after they got their Mexican certificate. Not sure if Horizon ever completed the cert work for the Q400. If not, Colgan may have a bit of certification work to do before they can fly there. However, I am sure Continental has great connections with DGAC to help Colgan along.


User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7015 times:

Does this mean that the SF340 operated by Colgan as Continental Connection to destinations like College Station, Beaumont, Victoria, Tyler, Killeen, Waco and Del Rio will be replaced soon?

If so will Express Jet operate these routes with ERJ 145 or will Colgan operate them with Q400?

I somehow doubt that routes like IAH-VCT or IAH-DRT will be able to fill two Q400s per day (the minimum frequency to make them viable).


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6990 times:



Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 6):

why are you thinking they will be replaced?



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User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6971 times:

I was just wondering whether it makes commercial sense for CO to operate 3 different types of commuter aircraft (SF 340, ERJ145, Q400) out of IAH.

User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6931 times:

not a problem.....already doing it from both EWR/CLE.

Hopefully this will allow CO to increase flights in other markets with some ERJ's opening up with the addition of the Q400's.



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User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6892 times:



Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 8):
I was just wondering whether it makes commercial sense for CO to operate 3 different types of commuter aircraft (SF 340, ERJ145, Q400) out of IAH.

Why not ? At 74 seats, the mission of the Q400 will be very different than either the Saab 340 or the ERJ in IAH. There are certainly routes than can support the aircraft, some IAH-DAL trips or even off peak IAH-DFW. You could also see them on off peak AUS and SAT. Continental is one of the few carriers that has made a science out of positive yield management.



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User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6849 times:



Quoting Falcon Flyer (Reply 10):
Why not ?

Because the SF 340 fleet stationed at IAH is rather small so one might wonder whether the following combinations would be more efficient in the long run?

Option 1

30-40 seats: ERJ 135 (I am aware they are currently in storage at IGM)
40-50 seats: ERJ 145
70-80 seats: DHC 8 Q400

Option 2

30-40 seats: DHC 8-100
40-50 seats: ERJ 145
70-80 seats: DHC 8 Q400


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8408 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6826 times:



Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 8):
I was just wondering whether it makes commercial sense for CO to operate 3 different types of commuter aircraft (SF 340, ERJ145, Q400) out of IAH.

Do you mean that it would be too few, or too many? It seems like quite few to me.


User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6806 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 12):
too many

Too many different types (and manufacturers) given the fact that Bombardier and Embraer offer different "sizes" of their product that can be operated with a single type rating.


User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1319 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6789 times:



Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 13):
Too many different types (and manufacturers) given the fact that Bombardier and Embraer offer different "sizes" of their product that can be operated with a single type rating.

The cost of operating them lay on the operating carrier, CO doesnt need to worry about the pilot training, crewing etc. They simply pay a Fixed-Fee-Per-Departure.



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User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6766 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 12):
too many

Too many different types (and manufacturers) given the fact that Bombardier and Embraer offer different "sizes" of their product that can be operated with a single type rating.

Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 14):
They simply pay a Fixed-Fee-Per-Departure

Thanks for the info. I was not aware of this aspect of these contracts.


User currently offlineNetjetsINTL From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6619 times:

Express Jet already flies IAH- MTY on behalf of Continental. Why is Colgan applying when Continental already has 5 regional jet flights on the route??? is more capacity needed??

That'd be the first Q-400 flight to Mexico


User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1319 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6594 times:



Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 15):
Thanks for the info. I was not aware of this aspect of these contracts

You're quite welcome. The main issue for CO is are they making enough from tickets on each regional flight to warrant the fee they are paying to Colgan, ExpressJet, or Chautauqua. That is why they probably want the Q400 in, because they can still pay a relatively low fee to Colgan and have up to 74 revenue seats.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6585 times:



Quoting NetjetsINTL (Reply 16):
Express Jet already flies IAH- MTY on behalf of Continental. Why is Colgan applying when Continental already has 5 regional jet flights on the route??? is more capacity needed??

Consider the fact that IAH-MTY was at one time mostly 737-500s.



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User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1319 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6534 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 18):


Quoting NetjetsINTL (Reply 16):
Express Jet already flies IAH- MTY on behalf of Continental. Why is Colgan applying when Continental already has 5 regional jet flights on the route??? is more capacity needed??

Consider the fact that IAH-MTY was at one time mostly 737-500s.

Or some E145 flights might be switched to Q400.



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User currently offlineNetjetsINTL From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6536 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 18):
Consider the fact that IAH-MTY was at one time mostly 737-500s.

roger that

if CO adds the Q-400 on this route, IAH-MTY might have a chance at surpassing DFW-MTY soon. AA has 3 MD80 flights on DFW-MTY

[Edited 2010-01-03 15:27:01]

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6332 times:

Awesome! I will probably have to book a flight hehe. Good news. It will be fun to have the Dash 8 in Mexico!


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7506 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6308 times:



Quoting NetjetsINTL (Reply 20):
if CO adds the Q-400 on this route, IAH-MTY might have a chance at surpassing DFW-MTY soon. AA has 3 MD80 flights on DFW-MTY

AA is upgrading DFW-MTY to 4x daily starting April 6. DFW-SLP also went to 2x daily.



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User currently offlineJustlump From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6153 times:
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The Q400s should arrive in IAH starting in October of 2010. Initial services should include not just MTY but several other Mexican cities as well.
The Saabs are not going anywhere and the cities that are currently receiving them are not scheduled to receive the Q400.
The Q's will supplement and in some cases displace E145's to short distance/high load factor cities such as TUL,OKC, MAF,BTR, etc. However, no city pairs are currently set in stone.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4745 posts, RR: 45
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6105 times:

Any idea if they plan to operate IAH-ZIH with the Q400?


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25 Steex : It's probably unlikely that they would go Q400 on that route. At 813 nm, it's probably better suited to the ERJ. It's worth noting that the longest r
26 LAXintl : Yes I really wonder what happened there. They continue to send CR7s to Mexico. Seems the Q400 would be really right sized for some smaller markets in
27 WesternA318 : Does the plane even have the range for it?
28 Floridaflyboy : Probably not an economical option. The 135s got parked for a reason. Not much in the way of synergies here, as the Q200s and the Q400s are operated b
29 STT757 : As with EWR Q400 flights the IAH Q400 flights will probably fly no farther than 500nm, in Mexico from IAH that would include.. Monterrey,Saltillo, Sa
30 Alitalia744 : Thanks guys. Not very familiar with CO's ops so didn't know range of routes CO's sked them on. Parent's fly IAH-ZIH/return upwards of 20x year so was
31 STT757 : AS flies the Q-400 on some long segments, but I think the advantages of the Q-400 vs the CRJ or ERJ get diminished after about 550 miles. Colgan/Pinn
32 STT757 : Just checking the schedules CO is running 737-500s and 737-900s between IAH and ZIH on Saturdays.
33 KingFriday013 : Why wouldn't they just use the Saabs? I thought all the Q400s were in the northeast. -J.
34 NetjetsINTL : Somehow DFW always manages to stay one step ahead of IAH when it comes to Latin America IAH-MTY is too big a market for the Saab. AUS or SAT to MTY m
35 LAXdude1023 : Not really. There are very few markets in Latin American DFW has more capacity to. The only ones that come to mind are: MTY CUU SJU PVR SLP (Starting
36 FlyingSicilian : How so? IAH serves more cities and has for some time. DFW played major catch-up in Mexico and Central America, or do you mean deep South America? *No
37 Justlump : Are you serious? CO flies to 39 destinations in Mexico and Central America, AA metal flies to just 21. Perhaps you were including the Caribbean desti
38 Alitalia744 : Yeah, saw that, a nice upgrade in capacity/aircraft. They've upgraded Saturdays for some time now, I believe usually during high-season. The rest of
39 NetjetsINTL : No, I was thinking about the equipment. I'm not arguing with you guys, if you know that IAH is bigger than DFW, then it probably is. Taking Mexico fo
40 LAXdude1023 : AA's Central and South American expansion out of DFW has been alot more recent than CO's out of IAH. Then again, I think alot of it has more to do wi
41 Justlump : Sorry, I thought you talking about the number of markets and percentage of traffic.
42 LAXdude1023 : There are a handful of markets in Mexico where DFW does have a larger market. For example SLP and CUU. I think MTY is pretty close but Im not sure wh
43 ABQopsHP : We have been told that CRP is a likely destination for the Q400, but no date has been given. The market could use something bigger than a 50 seater 11
44 CALMSP : yes, CRP will be a great destination for the Q400, along with the likes of BTR/SHV
45 HAJFlyer : I would not be surprised if the Q400 eventually also ended up on routes to the rio grande valley most likely either MFE or HRL.
46 Fiveholer : We have heard rumblings here about it. Like you said though. Nothing set in stone. We do already do contract ground for Lynx and their Q's. Honestly,
47 Fiveholer : Interesting as well. Have heard from the ticket/gate side of Frontier here that we will probably see the ERJ170 here again. We currently do ramp for
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