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User currently offlineAnshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4910 times:

http://www.timesnow.tv/Passengers-ho...r-12-hours/articleshow/4335552.cms

Just saw this on the news. I'm surprised no action was taken by the security forces in such a delicate situation! Couldn't find more information.

- Anshuk.

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User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4781 times:

Shocking, I'm quite surprised that no strong action was taken by the authorities. The article said that the doors were blocked preventing security forces from boarding but I'm sure if men with MP5's started charging up the stairs they would have moved and started to behave, I know for a fact I would.

Phil
FlyingColours



Lifes a train racing towards you, now you can either run away or grab a chair & a beer and watch it come - Phil
User currently offlineAnshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4714 times:



Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 1):
I'm sure if men with MP5's started charging up the stairs they would have moved and started to behave, I know for a fact I would.

I most definitely would. And 12 hours is no joke. Personally, I feel there is more to this story that meets the eye. But if it's true, its sad that passengers choose to behave like this. There's really not much an airline can do in the case of weather related cancellations/delays.


User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4248 times:

Is this the same airline where its pilots left the flight deck to beat up a steward?????


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User currently offlineGolfOscarDelta From India, joined Feb 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3860 times:



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 3):
Is this the same airline where its pilots left the flight deck to beat up a steward?????

In defence of my national flag carrier:

Quote:
The captain during the course of altercation pushed the flight purser, Amit Khanna, and the air hostess, Komal Singh, out of the cockpit for the safety of the flight and the passengers… this led to the air hostess sustaining an abrasion on her right arm

from: http://blog.taragana.com/law/2009/11/17/womens-panel-rules-out-sexual-assault-in-mid-air-scuffle-16997/

I'd like to point out that the very first few media reports on this case were all sensationalized. The media in India especially like to portray pilots as inpet imbeciles who are always putting the passengers in jeopardy and the report you probably read was inline with this Indian media portrayal of pilots.

Also the AI investigation into the incident unearthed several false harassment charges filed in the past by the same pair of Purser and F/A.


User currently offlineAnshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3682 times:



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 3):
Is this the same airline where its pilots left the flight deck to beat up a steward?????

I think this situation has more to do with the pax and security forces than the airline or crew.


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1583 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3633 times:



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 3):
Is this the same airline where its pilots left the flight deck to beat up a steward?????

 highfive 

Quoting GolfOscarDelta (Reply 4):
I'd like to point out that the very first few media reports on this case were all sensationalized. The media in India especially like to portray pilots as inpet imbeciles who are always putting the passengers in jeopardy and the report you probably read was inline with this Indian media portrayal of pilots.

I am glad you mention this
And media seem to describe CDG as a traphole where pax are starved, beaten and purposedly humiliated
I assume it's in the same "sensationalism" vein then



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User currently offlineOrdflier From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

Thankfully in the US we have a Secretary of Transportation who says airlines can only hold customers onboard an aircraft for up to 4 hours*

* Tongue in cheek for those who didn't notice the sarcasm...



ORDflier
User currently offlineAnshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2285 times:



Quoting Varig md-11 (Reply 6):
And media seem to describe CDG as a traphole where pax are starved, beaten and purposedly humiliated
I assume it's in the same "sensationalism" vein then

Precisely! A routine go around becomes - "Several passengers screamed in terror as the pilot suddenly and with total regard for passenger safety pulled the aircraft's nose up. He later claimed that it was routine, but our investigation shows otherwise. This also brings into question the quality of the ATC which instructed the pilot to do so, putting the lives of hundreds on board and thousands more on the ground in danger."  Yeah sure

Coming back to the topic, it seems that 20 pax held everyone else hostage, although they had been guaranteed accommodation for the night at a five star hotel, before the entire saga. Hmmm.


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1583 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2050 times:



Quoting Anshuk (Reply 8):
"Several passengers screamed in terror as the pilot suddenly and with total regard for passenger safety pulled the aircraft's nose up. He later claimed that it was routine, but our investigation shows otherwise. This also brings into question the quality of the ATC which instructed the pilot to do so, putting the lives of hundreds on board and thousands more on the ground in danger."  

Excellent!
At ORY there was once an SS A332 which had to shut down an engine just after take off and land back to ORY
In the local press it gave: A chartered SS Airbus jumbo jet had to make an emergency landing after an engine was shut down probably due to a fire alarm. Passengers and residents described that the plane was nearly touching the roof of houses on its way back to ORY. A catastrophe has just been avoided as evidently the plane had great pain doing a u-turn on one engine

To come back to the topic, I see AI is promising hotel accomodation after a cancellation due to fog?
I am not sure airlines do it in Europe....Last time I had a cancelled AF flight due to fog, we didn't even have a drink voucher and the guy neraly yelled at us " you won't have a voucher because it's not AF fault, it's the weather!"



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User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1920 times:



Quoting GolfOscarDelta (Reply 4):

In defence of my national flag carrier:



Quoting GolfOscarDelta (Reply 4):
from: http://blog.taragana.com/law/2009/11...-assault-in-mid-air-scuffle-16997/

I'd like to point out that the very first few media reports on this case were all sensationalized. The media in India especially like to portray pilots as inpet imbeciles who are always putting the passengers in jeopardy and the report you probably read was inline with this Indian media portrayal of pilots.

Also the AI investigation into the incident unearthed several false harassment charges filed in the past by the same pair of Purser and F/A.

Well the cabin crew are part of your national airline also. This kind of behaviour is just not acceptable in any department of any airline anywhere in the world!!! It is enough to keep me miles away from ever getting on one of their aircraft!



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User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1832 times:



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 10):
Well the cabin crew are part of your national airline also. This kind of behaviour is just not acceptable in any department of any airline anywhere in the world!!!

If you had read the rest of the thread carefully, you would have noted that media reports of this sort are often sensationalised with minor events blown way out of proportion. So we first need to establish that the behaviour in question was factual before expressing outrage.

Quoting Tonystan (Reply 10):
It is enough to keep me miles away from ever getting on one of their aircraft!

which is certainly your prerogative. Good for you.


User currently offlineTonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1655 times:



Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 11):
Quoting Tonystan (Reply 10):
Well the cabin crew are part of your national airline also. This kind of behaviour is just not acceptable in any department of any airline anywhere in the world!!!

If you had read the rest of the thread carefully, you would have noted that media reports of this sort are often sensationalised with minor events blown way out of proportion. So we first need to establish that the behaviour in question was factual before expressing outrage.

Quoting Tonystan (Reply 10):
It is enough to keep me miles away from ever getting on one of their aircraft!

which is certainly your prerogative. Good for you.

No smoke without fire!



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User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1434 times:



Quoting Tonystan (Reply 12):
No smoke without fire!

Yeah, but you can get smoke from a matchstick as well as a bonfire too. And the smoke in this case is highly questionable.


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