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User currently offlineGeorgetown From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 243 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9032 times:
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Okay, not trying to do any Delta bashing here but I've gotta say something...

I usually fly about 2 times per week, almost always on UA or AA, but very often CO and US as well. I almost always in Y class. To be fair, I'm usually in Economy Plus on UA, but very often fly regular economy as well. For the purposes of this thread, let's put E+ aside. I fly on all sorts of equipment across these airlines, and generally find the economy seat size about the same with small variations from here to there.

The other day I was in a jam and flew Delta LAX - JFK. I rarely fly Delta, but have always had a decent enough experience when I do. This time I was in seat 43A on one of the ex-TWA 757s (apologies, did not grab the tail #, but it was flight 84 on 12/30). I have never been in a seat on a mainline aircraft with so little legroom, and so little width in all my life. I'm not one to rant, I'm not one to complain, and I'm certainly not one to bash Delta, but this was almost unfathomable. I'm 6'1" and about 195 lbs, so while I'm bigger than a lot of people, I'm nothing out of the ordinary. I was literally wedged into my seat. I'm used to having my knees hit the seat in front of me a bit, but I actually had to scrunch my legs toward me to fit. The armrests on both sides were jammed into my thighs to the point it put them to sleep. It was to the point where I considered getting off the plane before we took off (full flight, couldn't move around) but I decided to grin and bear it. My first guess was that it was just something to do with my row as I was near the very back of the plane; but upon looking around, it seemed that all the other rows looked about the same. If the person sitting in that seat for the next leg of the flight was my size, I truly feel awful, as the destination was Cairo!

Hoping someone could shed some light on this for me as I'm wondering if this has something to do with this particular row/seat on this particular type of plane. The flight attendants and customer service agent I spoke to about this simply said that the seat was a normal economy seat. I can't believe that this would be the case, as it bordered on absurdity. Like I said, I fly Delta rarely (which for me is a couple times per year), and have flown on their 757s and never had this problem.

I actually do like Delta, so I hope this is an isolated incidence!


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8973 times:

According to SeatGuru's section on DL's ex-TWA 752s the window seats have limited legroom and underseat storage because of the IFE box. I don't know why DL didn't put the IFE boxes under the middle seats like they do on the transcontinental 757s. The seat pitch on the 75E in coach is 31" throughout, with the same number of seats as the Transcon 757 (75X). Some rows on the 75Xs are 31" though.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15839 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8924 times:

Well, I flew on one last summer and it was great, but I scored an exit row. I'm even taller than you and I can sympathize. Three hours is about my limit in a non exit row economy seat.

Quoting Georgetown (Thread starter):
I truly feel awful, as the destination was Cairo!

I think that the flight changes to a 767 at JFK. But even going to Europe would be awful in those conditions.



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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1460 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8886 times:

While I do not have the exact interior arrangement (LOPA) for this aircraft, I do know that typically the last two rows of seat in the economy section of a 757-200 are narrower than the rest. This is because the fuselage begins to taper in that area and the FAR's generally require a minimum 20" aisle width. So rather than removing an entire seat and installing doubles in this area, the overall width of a triple seat is reduced.

Since you mentioned 43A, this is the second to last row of a DL ex-TW 757-200 so should be a narrow seat. As for the seat pitch, seatguru lists the pitch for this aircraft at 31" which is most-likely an average, but I am not aware of any large carriers that have economy pitch less than that.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8835 times:



Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 3):
Since you mentioned 43A, this is the second to last row of a DL ex-TW 757-200 so should be a narrow seat. As for the seat pitch, seatguru lists the pitch for this aircraft at 31" which is most-likely an average, but I am not aware of any large carriers that have economy pitch less than that.

Plus, these are slimline seats, which should actually allow for MORE room.



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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1460 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8759 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 4):
Plus, these are slimline seats, which should actually allow for MORE room.

True, but the pitch is still the same. The seat backs are slimmer, providing more leg room and the illusion of greater pitch.



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User currently offlineSuperDash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8373 times:

Delta 757s do not pass my laptop test. That includes the Northwest ones as well. I actually I'm planning on trying to avoid Delta this year simply because their coach is so tight. I too can fly E+ on United or get exit row on Continental. I can also do Alaska. Which begs the long time question - should Delta (and others) add Economy Plus on longer haul aircraft? Some carriers like Alaska, I would say no as their NG's pass my laptop test. Delta on the other hand...

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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1460 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8236 times:



Quoting SuperDash (Reply 6):
Delta 757s do not pass my laptop test. That includes the Northwest ones as well. I actually I'm planning on trying to avoid Delta this year simply because their coach is so tight. I too can fly E+ on United or get exit row on Continental. I can also do Alaska. Which begs the long time question - should Delta (and others) add Economy Plus on longer haul aircraft? Some carriers like Alaska, I would say no as their NG's pass my laptop test. Delta on the other hand...

Can you explain your 'laptop test'? Laptop space is not dependent on seat pitch, but on the seat back in front of you and its recline. If the tray itself telescopes or is able to travel aft closer to you when it is down, this can make up for it and provide more room for a laptop screen to avoid hitting the seat back.



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User currently offlineTrigged From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7983 times:

Nothing really to add about the comfort of the seats, but the aircraft in question was N704X.

ACARS mode: 2 Aircraft reg: N704X [Boeing B752]
Message label: Q0 Block id: 6 Msg no: S21A
Flight id: DL0084 [] []
----------------------------------------------------------[ 30/12/2009 02:21 ]-

Thought the OP might like that info and it may be relevant to the discussion.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7914 times:



Quoting SuperDash (Reply 6):

It really depends on what 757 layout you're on. I recently flew ATL-LAS-ATL on a DL 75X both ways and had no issue with the seat pitch of 33" for the bulk of the seats in coach. In fact, DL's seats on the 75X are as wide as the seats are on Alaska's 737NGs. I did find it hard to use my laptop because of the way I type. I didn't want to elbow the guy in the seat next to me (at times when I'm typing, my arms flap as if I were a chicken), so I ended up typing in a position I am not used to.


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7814 times:

DL's seat pitch isn't bad. Even on the ex-NW 757 I was on a month ago it was still tolerable. Obviously exit row or UA economy plus is best but its whatever you can afford/prefer.

Actually on CO I remember their regular coach seats on the 737 are pretty tight. They definitely did not pass my "laptop test" back in 2005, but I also had an unusually large laptop.



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User currently offlineKparke777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7713 times:
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Quoting Trigged (Reply 8):

How does one pick up "ACARS" so that REG #'s become known? What application/software, etc. Thanks


User currently offlineKingFriday013 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 1304 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7179 times:

Quoting Kparke777 (Reply 11):
How does one pick up "ACARS" so that REG #'s become known? What application/software, etc. Thanks

If you work for DL, you have access. Otherwise, you ask here  

EDIT: just came across this link in another thread: http://www.acarsd.org/acars_search.html. Give it a shot!

-J.

[Edited 2010-01-04 15:14:18 by kingFriday013]


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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6852 times:

Do all the domestic DL 757s have PTV?


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6692 times:



Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 13):
Do all the domestic DL 757s have PTV?

Currently, no, only the Transcon aircraft (75X) do, however, this is soon going to change, as DL will be installing PTVs on all mainline aircraft except for the MD-88 and DC-9-50 (and any aircraft DL will be eliminating, including the DC-9-30 and DC-9-40, and possibly the 5500-series NW 752s).



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User currently offlineGeorgetown From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 243 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6663 times:
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Thanks for the responses all. Trigged - thanks for the Reg#. Seems to me it was a function of being in the second to last row...either that or I unwittingly put on an extra 50lbs over the holidays. It really would be a bit of a torture chamber for someone even a half inch taller than myself.


On a side note, I did enjoy the PTVs, and the movie selection was impressive. I do enjoy the overall Y class product on Delta when I get the chance to fly with them.



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User currently offlineTrigged From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 540 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6609 times:

Most welcome. I am a little surprised that the seats are still in the same configuration as they were when TWA's heartbeat went flatline. Do they just recover the seats when they redo the interior colors? Seems as though those birds would have had some replacement seats by now.

User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1551 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6593 times:



Quoting Trigged (Reply 16):
I am a little surprised that the seats are still in the same configuration as they were when TWA's heartbeat went flatline.

They're not the same seats. DL gutted the entire interior of these 752s when they received them. They have new everything on the inside, including the new weber seats, and even new ceiling panels.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6593 times:



Quoting Trigged (Reply 16):
Most welcome. I am a little surprised that the seats are still in the same configuration as they were when TWA's heartbeat went flatline. Do they just recover the seats when they redo the interior colors? Seems as though those birds would have had some replacement seats by now.

Actually, the original Recaro slimline seats in Y were replaced by Weber 5751 slimline seats. The reason for the replacement of the seats was due to the fact that the old Recaro seats could not accomodate PTVs. DL has more recently added winged headrests to the Weber seats.

And strangely, DL replaced the original domestic F seats (manufacturer unknown) with Recaro CL 4420 seats for BusinessElite.



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User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6485 times:

When these aircraft were with TW they had two types of seats.

Some had Weber seats like those on DL's 764ERs, 772ERs and some 763ERs. Very comfortable. The others had terrible slimline seats ... the least comfortable airline seats I've ever sat in. Unfortunately you had no way to know what you were going to get.  Sad

When these were still with TW I had the misfortune of being in the middle seat, last row next to a very large, handicapped woman on one of these aircraft. Certainly one of the least-pleasant flights I have ever taken. I was flying standby (my original flight was cancelled) so I was happy to be on a flight home, but I was even happier when the flight was over....



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User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6250 times:



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 14):
Currently, no, only the Transcon aircraft (75X) do, however, this is soon going to change, as DL will be installing PTVs on all mainline aircraft except for the MD-88 and DC-9-50 (and any aircraft DL will be eliminating, including the DC-9-30 and DC-9-40, and possibly the 5500-series NW 752s).

Thanks man, I'm nonreving next week either ATL-SEA or DTW-SEA, will those be the 757s with PTV? (I hope so lol)



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6245 times:



Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 20):
Thanks man, I'm nonreving next week either ATL-SEA or DTW-SEA, will those be the 757s with PTV? (I hope so lol)

Possibly old monitors above the aisle, that was what I got on the two DL 757s I flew in September.



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4977 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6214 times:
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Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 20):
will those be the 757s with PTV?

Check the seat map. If there are 26 or 16 seats in the premium cabin, then they will have PTVs at every seat.


User currently offlineSectflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6214 times:

If you go ATL you should almost definitely get PTV. DTW you wont, as they use NW equipment that has yet to receive the PTV install.

Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 20):
Thanks man, I'm nonreving next week either ATL-SEA or DTW-SEA, will those be the 757s with PTV? (I hope so lol)



User currently offlineIliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6193 times:



Quoting Panamair (Reply 22):
Check the seat map. If there are 26 or 16 seats in the premium cabin, then they will have PTVs at every seat.



Quoting Sectflyer (Reply 23):
If you go ATL you should almost definitely get PTV. DTW you wont, as they use NW equipment that has yet to receive the PTV install.

Thanks guys. Will have to choose ATL then, and yes checking on travelnet it shows 26 for first class.

My parents are leaving Saturday, I'm going Monday. Anyone know if they upgrade medallion on transcon? (because first looks good for now, but either way with PTVs shouldn't be that bad haha)



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25 Viscount724 : Slimline seats can also provide more legroom even at reduced pitch. When LX replaced their old seats on their A319/320/321s a couple of years ago wit
26 TZTriStar500 : This is true. If the airline chooses to reduce pitch, a slimline seat can provide more leg room and allow for more seats. My point was that educing p
27 Sectflyer : When you nonrev do they put you in first if available?
28 IliriBDL : I believe so, it's my first time with DL, since now I work for them, used to fly only US before. I did the listing on travelnet and you automatically
29 DeltACTO : If you are nonreving, you get first class based upon your pass priority and seniority date. Medallion status does not apply when nonreving
30 IliriBDL : I know, I was just asking if medallion are upgraded, I knew it was domestic wasn't sure for transcon. Asked because if they do that means less seats
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