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Scandinavian Aviation #1 2010  
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3306 posts, RR: 3
Posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 25561 times:

A new year, with new possibilities within Scandinavian aviation

http://feed.ne.cision.com/wpyfs/00/00/00/00/00/10/4A/FB/wkr0011.pdf

The year starts with SAS selling 18 MD-80s to Alligiant for 200 million SEK. After the sale, SAS will have 24 remaining MD-80s in their fleet

[Edited 2010-01-04 05:29:24]

[Edited 2010-01-04 05:32:36]

[Edited 2010-01-04 05:33:19]

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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 25466 times:



Quoting Someone83 (Thread starter):
200 million SEK

That was cheap was'nt it ?


User currently offlineJohnKrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1399 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 25462 times:
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I just heard the news to, and it makes me sad, those Mad Dogs are the only ones that looks good in SAS livery  Smile


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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3306 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 25440 times:



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 1):
That was cheap was'nt it ?

The MD-80s are cheap :p However, I'm not sure if they got 200 MSEK og they plan to use 200 MSEK to reduce debt.

Of the 18 aircratfs, 13 are MD-81/82, while 5 are MD-87. Thus meaning MD-87 will leave the SAS fleet for good. The 87s will not be placed in traffic but are sold as "scrap" and used at spare aircrafts


User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17051 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 25423 times:



Quoting Someone83 (Reply 3):
I'm not sure if they got 200 MSEK og they plan to use 200 MSEK to reduce debt

Quote from article

"The transaction will reduce the SAS Groups financial net debt by approximately 200 MSEK. There is no capital gain since sales value equals book value."



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User currently offlineCRJ900X From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 25270 times:

Any ideas on if/when we can expect SAS to exercise some more options for the CRJ900's? I believe the 12th and final one will be delivered shortly.

Also, is SAS considering the CRJ1000 jet which may be used on routes larger than the CRJ900's but do not have the load factor to justify the use of the A319/737 series?


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3306 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 25142 times:

A total of 18.087.722 passengers flew over OSL in 2009, -6,5% compared to last year. Jan-Okt all saw a decline in traffic, while November and December was positive


Domestic passengers: 8.627.881 (-4,0%)
International passengers 9.459.841 (-8,6%)
of the Int. pax about 1,1 million were charter

Top 10 destination
Trondheim: 1.542.427 (-5,6%)
Bergen: 1.522.124 (-4,3%)
Stavanger: 1.254.333 (-7,8%)
Copenhagen: 1.106.776 (-14,5%)
Stockholm: 965.955 (-7,4%)
London: 835.027 (-2,7%)
Tromsø: 766.207 (-5,7%)
Bodø: 604.807 (-3,9%)
Amsterdam: 834.652 (-10,5%)
Aalesund: 482.217 (+0,3%)

http://www.osl.no/tridionimages/M%C3...0desember%202009_tcm181-105684.pdf


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3764 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 25111 times:



Quoting Someone83 (Reply 6):

Interesting that some of the largest drops occured between the Scandinavian capitals (and AMS). Is this perhaps because of Norwegian's growth gaining PAX that would normally connect through these airports? Or is it a slump in intercontinental travel?

Cheers
Mats



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User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1238 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 25076 times:



Quoting Someone83 (Reply 6):
Domestic passengers: 8.627.881 (-4,0%)
International passengers 9.459.841 (-8,6%)
of the Int. pax about 1,1 million were charter

Top 10 destination
Trondheim: 1.542.427 (-5,6%)
Bergen: 1.522.124 (-4,3%)
Stavanger: 1.254.333 (-7,8%)

One thing I don't get with Norway, its a very wealthy country, why don't they just do like their neighbour Sweden and build highspeed railways to the largest cities.
I mean go back 20 years in Sweden and passangers were choosing the plane to ARN. these days highspeed trains carries the bulk of the traffic and some destinations almost vanished. GOT saw more than 60% of the passengers opt for the train, Sundsvall even higher etc etc. Dalarna is hardly served from ARN.
Today only the far north destinations are still strong in Sweden and thats due to high-speed rail.
Norway a country that's more wealthy than Sweden never seem to invest in infrastructure.

Highspeed trains to Trondheim shouldn't be too hard or expensive to do, Bergen and Stavanger might be more difficult but if the French can go through the alps I am sure the Norwegians can build through their mountains.



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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3764 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 25026 times:



Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 8):
One thing I don't get with Norway, its a very wealthy country, why don't they just do like their neighbour Sweden and build highspeed railways to the largest cities.

You explain it yourself:

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 8):
Highspeed trains to Trondheim shouldn't be too hard or expensive to do, Bergen and Stavanger might be more difficult but if the French can go through the alps I am sure the Norwegians can build through their mountains.

It is hard, and very expensive. And I'm guessing that the tunnels and train lines through the alps were to some extent paid for by more than one country, (ie Italy, France, Germany, Switzerland).

For some reason, laying tracks even on flat ground is immensly expensive in Scandinavia. I read somewhere that a million SEK was spent for every five metres of track. Don't know how accurate that particular figure is, but at least it gives us a sense of scale. It's ridiculously expensive. Add digging hundreds and hundreds of tunnels on top of that.

Cheers
Mats



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3306 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 25001 times:

Regarding high speed trains, not only is Norway rather challenging to build railways in both due to the mountains and our climate, but the volumes are also much smaller as we're only 4,8 millions living here. The total amount of travellers between Stockholm and Gothenburg is much higher than between Oslo and Trondheim, is just that air travel has a much higher market share than the train and roads. Remember that Stockholm is twice as big as Oslo and Gothenburgh three times as big as Trondheim

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3306 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 24988 times:



Quoting CRJ900X (Reply 5):
Any ideas on if/when we can expect SAS to exercise some more options for the CRJ900's? I believe the 12th and final one will be delivered shortly.

Don't know, but the 13th (think that's tha last one on firm order) is to be delivered January 16


User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 24988 times:

Does anyone know what is happening with Icelandair? Are they happy with the Seattle service?
I remember when I was in Copenhagen they had a strong marketing campaign...


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 24965 times:
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Quoting CRJ900X (Reply 5):
Also, is SAS considering the CRJ1000 jet which may be used on routes larger than the CRJ900's but do not have the load factor to justify the use of the A319/737 series?

That would be really cool, but I'm wondering if the CRJ1000 will actually be produced. BBD has been very quiet about the CRJ1000 and there are no pictures of the first production aircraft even though it flew several months ago. Only pics of the prototype are available.



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 24950 times:

I think it is great that SAS is finally getting rid of some MDs.

They are pretty cool but they are getting very worn, and they are not very efficient.

If SAS wants to be competitive, they need modern aircraft.


User currently offlineBmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1796 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 24925 times:



Quoting Someone83 (Thread starter):
The year starts with SAS selling 18 MD-80s to Alligiant for 200 million SEK. After the sale, SAS will have 24 remaining MD-80s in their fleet

Do we have information on what specific aircraft have been sold?


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1666 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 24851 times:



Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 14):
If SAS wants to be competitive, they need modern aircraft.

I think what SAS needs is a new management, a new image and a new more streamlined fleet of aircraft!

SAS is probably one of the worst run airlines in Europe.

- It has failed to make a good profit for a number of years, even in the good economic times
- It runs a fleet of non-efficient, old aircraft (some of which are being retired) but at the same time claims to be environmentally concious (hypocracy!)
- The exisiting fleet is also so mixed that surely training and mx costs must be extorionate
- It offers a LCC service on shorthaul flights compared to LH and BA who at least offer refreshments. Longhaul service is very substandard compared to other airlines in the region.

The list goes on!!

I think was SAS needs is either to be bought by a more reputable airline like LH or be disolved and reformed with a reduced fleet and an attempt to rekindle some standards it lost years ago....



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2373 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 24646 times:



Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 16):

Well I can only say that I agree with the comment.


User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 24642 times:

Does anyone know why a Singapore airlines 777-300ER landed at CPH today? I believe it was flying Houston-Moscow with a landing in Keflavik and Copenhagen.

/Lars



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3306 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 24459 times:

Norwegian seems to be closing CPH-WAW (again) as it's not possible to book tickets after January

User currently offlineAlm1 From Lithuania, joined Oct 2008, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 24443 times:

BT to open Riga-Vaasa-Umea

User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 24376 times:



Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 8):
One thing I don't get with Norway, its a very wealthy country, why don't they just do like their neighbour Sweden and build highspeed railways to the largest cities.
I mean go back 20 years in Sweden and passangers were choosing the plane to ARN. these days highspeed trains carries the bulk of the traffic and some destinations almost vanished. GOT saw more than 60% of the passengers opt for the train, Sundsvall even higher etc etc. Dalarna is hardly served from ARN.
Today only the far north destinations are still strong in Sweden and thats due to high-speed rail.
Norway a country that's more wealthy than Sweden never seem to invest in infrastructure.

Highspeed trains to Trondheim shouldn't be too hard or expensive to do, Bergen and Stavanger might be more difficult but if the French can go through the alps I am sure the Norwegians can build through their mountains.

What I can say is that the Airport train in Oslo cost was 110 million NOK pr. km of tracks and that is a pretty straight forward thing compared to laying tracks outside of Norways urban areas.

Finished and planned highspeed rail around Oslo area:

( Name of route - Route - Stretch in Km - Cost in billion NOK - Build start - build end:

Gardermobanen: Oslo - Eidsvoll 67 km 7,7 mrd. kr. 1994 1999

Vestfoldbanen: Drammen - Sande 17 km - - 2001

Vestfoldbanen: Sande - Nykirke 14 km 4,3 mrd. kr. 2011 2014

Vestfoldbanen: Barkåker - Tønsberg 8 km 1,5 mrd. kr. 2009 2011

Vestfoldbanen: Larvik - Porsgrunn 23 km 3,7 mrd. kr. 2011 2015

Dovrebanen: Eidsvoll - Stange 40 km 6,9 mrd. kr. 2011 -

Follobanen: Oslo - Ski 24 km 11,6 mrd. kr. 2013 2018


The cost of building highspeed rail from Oslo to Stavanger, Trondheim, Bergen etc would be alot more expensive


An interesting fact:


The 30 most trafficated airplane routes in EU and Norway are the routes from Oslo ( Norway ) to Trondheim ( Norway ), Bergen ( Norway ), Stavanger ( Norway ), Copenhagen and Stockholm


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-speed_rail_in_Norway

http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B8yhastighetsnett


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3306 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 24332 times:

Not surprisingly, Ryanair will form April reduce Rygge-Skavsta from 2 to 1 daily due to low demand

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3306 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 24216 times:

LN-NOU, another 737-800 to Norwegian is on its way from Seattle to Oslo

User currently offlineEBGARN From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 24171 times:

I just can't get out of my head, how SAS is losing the long haul battle. There are worrying trends on the TATL side, but let's look at SE Asia.

Today, TG is flying some 7.800 seats a week to ARN / CPH / OSL from BKK.

The SAS total is about 1.500. That is nothing but a disgrace and total failure!

[What if] mode ON

The CPH-BKK flight once continued to SIN. They gave it up because of the high cost of the inefficient crew utilization for the BKK-SIN part.

Let's be a bit visionary... Fly a daily (or 6 weekly) A340 from OSL, ARN and CPH to BKK. They all arrive mid afternoon. Let one continue to do a HKG round trip. Send one to SIN. A third stay in BKK for regular maintenance and cleaning (as it is today). BKK is not a high yield destination, but SIN and HKG are.

In this scenario, ARN and OSL are more like outstations, BKK is the hub. Aircrafts are rotated out through the CPH flight. I guess our Nordic unions would never allow for an Asian cabin crew on the add-on legs, but it would certainly add some scale and flexibility in the crew planning.

[What if] mode OFF

I think it's too late now, but waddayathink? Would it have worked?



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25 Someone83 : No, I think they would have lost even more money..... Other news: Continental is increasing EWR-OSL from 7 to 10 weekly flights this summer by adding
26 Mortyman : Will US Airways return to OSL this year ?
27 CRJ900 : Excellent, keep 'em coming. Will DY receive one new 738 every month this year?
28 Someone83 : Yes, they're restarting PHL-OSL mid-May
29 Westjet!Eh! : Doesn't Air Berlin fly nonstop from Helsinki to Hamburg in Summer 2010?
30 LongHaul67 : With SIA flying 3 days a week to CPH I cannot see SK having any chance of making SIN work. HKG would be a better option in my opinion.
31 JU068 : Don't know if this has been mentioned before but Continental is increasing Newark to Oslo from 7 to 10 weekly flights, operated by a 757-200.
32 Flyingfool : Just 5 posts before your own post... Mike
33 Oby : Ayear or so ago there was some rumours about US starting PHL-CPH... any thoughts???
34 Thomas_Jaeger : They pulled out of HAM-HEL this month.
35 LN-KGL : The DY Q4 2009 presentation says 14 new or used 738 will be added and six 733 will be retired in 2010. Next official news about the fleet additions (
36 Someone83 : Austrian will upgrade one of their two daily VIE-OSL flights from Fokker-100 to A319 from March 28
37 Westjet!Eh! : Where did you find this info from? thanks!
38 Thomas_Jaeger : It is no longer available for booking (HAM-HEL), only connections via DUS.
39 Zander : What about PHL-ARN? Somebody knows?
40 Sas767 : Dropped - not coming back...
41 Post contains links CityAirline : As mentioned in another thread, after years of absence LOT resumes serivce from WAW to GOT! Flights will be operated daily with an E170! http://airlin
42 Someone83 : Not sure from when, but it seems like AirBaltic will re-open VNO-OSL with a 4 weekly service
43 Someone83 : Thai will from the Summer 2010 (28 March) go back from a daily 777-200ER to 5 weekly 340-500 on BKK-OSL. Just as when they started the route last summ
44 Post contains links EBGARN : Has anyone got any more info about this very awkward situation at BOM (in Swedish): http://www.aftonbladet.se/resa/article6508325.ab I have first hand
45 JU068 : Cimber Sterling is launching Copenhagen Belgrade route, three times a week on a Boeing 737-700.
46 SKAirbus : How is Cimber Sterling doing?? When their stocks were launched on the Copenhagen Stock Market index they dived instantly and wiped out a lot of the co
47 JU068 : Well I don't know how they are doing generally, but their flights to Belgrade seem to be selling well!
48 Post contains links TeamDA : I did a quick search and found a reference to Wizz Air starting a service from Gdansk in December 2009 But I could see no mention of Katowice (see 16t
49 Someone83 : Widerøe took delivery of another Q400 this weekend aften LN-WDI arrived at TRF from Canada
50 Someone83 : Norwegian will begin flying to Helsinki from both ARN and OSL ARN-HEL will be 12x weekly and OSL-HEL 11x weekly
51 Post contains links SpeedyGonzales : Dakota Norway is complaining after the annual fees for vetaran planes >2000kg jumped from 3k NOK to 41k NOK: http://www.sb.no/nyheter/avgift-tar-he
52 Post contains links KiwiRob : Staffing costs are too high, how can you expect SAS to be competitive when they are a social welfare service for staff, not a business geared to maki
53 B747forever : Interesting to see how this will work out.. The competition is really tough on this route, especially ARN-HEL.
54 Andaman : Norwegian, warmly welcome to HEL! I would say the competition on ARN-HEL isn't tough, there are only AY and SK/KF serving the route and the prices ha
55 JU068 : What is happening on the long-haul market? Are they cutting some routes? What is the most profitable and the most frequent route that they have?[Edite
56 LN-KGL : JU068, I presume you are asking for the SAS flights. The two most frequent routes in the SAS network is actually within Norway, and tomorrow Friday SA
57 JU068 : Ah thanks a lot! What about outsied Scandinavia? And long-haul?
58 Post contains links and images Vadheim : SAS operate longhaul flights from Copenhagen (CPH) and Stockholm (ARN). Copenhagen - New York (EWR), A333, Dx4 Copenhagen - Washington (IAD), A333, D
59 Someone83 : Not a surprise and it was just a question about time but SAS will retire it's 5 remaining Fokker-50 used on the so called "Vestlink" route area along
60 Someone83 : SAS is increasing ARN-LHR from 6 to 7 daily from March 28th ...any idea where that slot pair is coming from?
61 KiwiRob : I hope Widerøe bring back the Molde Trondhiem route, SAS canned it 1st Feb. I'm happy to see the Fokker 50 go, it's about time.
62 Someone83 : Not sure if it has been mentioned, but MEA will increase its summer route BEY-CPH from 2 to 3 weekly using a A330-200
63 Post contains links BmiBaby737 : I see EC-IYI Air Europa has been wfu, is SAS taking this aircraft back? http://www.planespotters.net/Product...t/Boeing/737/30194,SE-DTO-SAS.php?
64 Tristarsteve : Just heard that Air China is changing to B777 for Bejing Stockholm starting next month. Anyone have any further info, like start date?
65 Post contains links EBGflyer : According to this thread: MEA's Summer Schedule, New Website Launched (by BA Feb 15 2010 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4713853&searchid=4716332&
66 Zander : I have heard that it will be a mix of A340-300 and 777-200, great news indeed! Start date seems to be already on the 2nd of March!
67 EBGflyer : Looking at the expanding route map of Ryanair recently I was surprised to see only 3 FR routes from Västerås (VST) and 1 from Norrköping (starting
68 B747forever : So there will be an increase of seats available?
69 Mortyman : I read somewhere that Air China is really interested in starting up Oslo - Bejing. Anyone heard any news of that ?
70 EBGflyer : Yes, but how much depends on what version of the 330 they are using. They have 2 configs of the A332: One is 12J/271Y = 283 total and the other 36J/2
71 Post contains links Sukhoi : They have another version too 49J/296Y= 345 must be for regional fligths in Asia? Air China will go up to five daily from June 7. http://www.airchina
72 Asiaflyer : Talk about Norwegian to postpone their planned long haul flights to Thailand and US from Oslo. Can anyone confirm?
73 EBGflyer : I think this is obvious. When I heard Norwegian initially announce their plans about this, I thought more of this as a PR gimmick á lá Ryanair. I d
74 Mortyman : Norwegian announced yesterday that they have posponed the longhaul service most likely to next year. However, they are still keeping the possibilitie
75 oykie : It is sad to see the MD-80 go. They look IMO very good. But since these planes were already taken out of service due to low demand, the deal was good
76 Someone83 : Only 1 AFAIK However, another 737-800 for SAS just left the final assambly line in Renton and should arrive Scandinavia in a couple of weeks. It will
77 EBGflyer : So following your logic, Ryanair is not succesful?
78 EBGflyer : True, wouldn't want anyone else to steal their thunder.
79 Doona : Oh come on, that's nowhere near what he said... Cheers Mats
80 Post contains images Tobseren : Are there some that can tell me where SE-KCT is? It flies for Wings of Bornholm/Avitrans Nordic, and I have not seen it in several months, since Novem
81 Post contains images oykie : According to Boeing.com they has delivered 60 737NG to SAS in july 2009. According to a 1998 press release they ordered 41 firm at the time and 35 op
82 Someone83 : I think the market between RNN and Poland is quite limited Supply and demand..... They might still have som options, although they also might have ex
83 EBGflyer : No, I never claimed he did. But the logic behind his reply was that a succesful company (like Norwegian) do not make PR gimmicks, because they don't
84 Post contains images oykie : They may indeed have expired. I wonder if SAS will be able to enjoy the same discount if they do a reorder. As Launch customer for the 737-600 SAS en
85 Navigator : Norway has a difficult terrain with mountains and fjords so building railways can be very expensive. The time consuming travel on ground in Norway is
86 Post contains images Flynorth : I have a question about Malmo Aviation. An airline very often forgotten about but with great service and that seems to be doing good even in this hars
87 Tristarsteve : The first Air China B777 is on its way to ARN B2067 ETA 1825 local nearly 2 hours late.
88 KiwiRob : Mountains haven't stopped the Swiss, TGV also goes through the Alps, I think the bigger problem is the small populations in all cities apart from Osl
89 kiwiandrew : No , but Switzerland has a population around 50% higher than Norway in a nice compact country with around 1/20th of the land area of Norway - this ma
90 Someone83 : 20 largest airlines at CPH in 2009 Rank - Airline - Marketshare - (change from 2008) 1) SAS - 8.873.855, 45 % (-14,3 %) 2) Norwegian (5) - 1.458.048,
91 Doona : And the Swiss didn't pay for all of it either, I believe both France and Italy contributed to that. Cheers Mats
92 bjorn14 : I was wondering if anyone knew of the development status of the Uppsala airport?
93 B747forever : Wow, what a difference. DY is doing really well in CPH.
94 Someone83 : Norwegian is closing CPH-BLL from April 4. I.e. Cimber Sterling wins the first battle
95 Larshjort : I flew the route last sunday CPH-BLL sunday afternoon and BLL-CPH sunday night. I bought the ticket 7 days in advance for 220 dkr. Besides that the r
96 KiwiRob : The proposals so far only go as far North as Trondheim, now if you ditch the link to Trondheim and only concentrated Oslo to Bergen, Stavanger and Kr
97 Tristarsteve : It is still plodding through the planning process. The military have announced that they are going to keep a presence there in the future. This has a
98 Post contains images oykie : I have not heard anything, but personally I would like a Swiss style replacement like the CSeries. The 4 engine Avro requires more maitenance. But fo
99 Someone83 : For Danish Domestic routes the ATRs are an ideal aircraft.
100 EI787 : Does anybody know why SK937, CPH-BKK, on March 2nd (arriving today, 3rd March), was delayed by five hours or so? My granduncle was on the flight. Seem
101 Tobseren : If they got bigger aircraft, there would be less departures/arrivals on the different routes i think. I like that QI have about 6 daily rotations fro
102 Someone83 : SAS increases flights from Stockholm! In addition to increasing ARN-LHR from 6 to 7 daily, the following routes also will see increased frequencies AR
103 Post contains images oykie : Yup, but if they got some Q400NG, on top of that order, they would have a better product to offer passenger. One can dream How about gtting rid of th
104 EBGflyer : I wonder if the tragic murder of the SK flight attendant has anything to do with that. According to one of the newspapers she was supposed to have fl
105 Someone83 : Due to crew rest time (SK927 leaves around midnight) if SK937 gets more than 1 og 1,5hrs delayed, it often has to be delayed to the morning after. An
106 Someone83 : Seems like SAS' flight between CPH and VNO which opened in January are doing quite well as SAS will increase from 2 to 3 daily from May 11th. The two
107 Someone83 : Widerøe is starting a 4x weekly service between OSL and BNN from May using a DCH-8-100. The route will later be increased to 5x weekly from mid-June.
108 ju068 : Well Cimber starts Larnaca somewhere in April, or end of it, and it's just once a week. I know last year or so Norwegian used to operate once a week f
109 Robbie86 : Does this mean that ARN will be served with a first-class cabin? Didn't think that Scandinavia "qualified" forF. Does TG have F on their flights to A
110 Someone83 : LN-WDJ, the 6th Q400 for Widerøe will arrive from Canada this afternoon
111 bjorn14 : Does anyone know if anybody flies a E170 into/out of OSL, RYG or TRP? Thanks.
112 Someone83 : Finnair uses the E170 on some flights into OSL (in addition to E190 and A319)
113 Vadheim : Thai use the A340-500 to Oslo during summer months (mar-oct) and B777-200ER during winter months (oct-mar). I think the A340-500 has F-class cabin at
114 Someone83 : No F-class in the 345 for Thai. Only business, premium economy and economy
115 B747forever : Which runway is usually used for landing at round 23:00 in ARN? I flew in on OS317 (VIE-ARN) Thursday night (around 23:15), but I couldnt see on which
116 Humberside : It's on their routemap along with flights from CPH and ARN
117 ju068 : But I suppose that CPH and ARN are connections through Oslo?
118 Humberside : CPH and ARN (like OSL) are showing in red on DY's route map which are non-stop flights. The ARN flight appears to connect to Kiruna, Umea and Lulea
119 EBGARN : We had winds from the north for a number of days, and the approach was above my home. That means landing on 01L, or runway one from the south. The ta
120 B747forever : Thank you for the help. Appreciate it.
121 Post contains links LIPZ : Due to low bookings City Airline will not begin new GOT-MXP serivice as of April. (Italian only) www.guidaviaggi.it/detail.lasso?id=1...=givi:57008BA1
122 Someone83 : SAS and it's unions have agreed upon further savings, including wage reductions. Most uniouns agreed with SAS some time ago, but as usual, CAU, the Ca
123 Post contains links Andaman : Norwegian to feed Finnair's long-hauls? "March 12 (Bloomberg) -- Finnair Oyj is seeking an agreement with Norwegian Air Shuttle ASA that would funnel
124 Someone83 : LN-RNW, a 737-783, and the last 737 SAS had on ordre just left Seattle for Stockholm, and will arrive tomorrow morning at ARN
125 alm1 : BT announced 4 new routes: ARN-TLL, ARN-Oulu, RIX-Lulea, RIX-Visby.
126 Larshjort : TV2 denmark was onboard the direct trip to ARN and made a piece about it yesterday: " A new planetype for SAS, saving 6% fuel compared o similar airc
127 Post contains images Doona : It's not totally off base, the media assuming that every single aircraft deliverd to SK is a new type, considering the current composition of the fle
128 Post contains links and images LN-KGL : I'm certain we can see the Danish TV2 journalist in this picture More pictures of LN-RNW / Granmar Viking can be seen here: http://www.facebook.com/al
129 Post contains links oykie : Nice picture! Thank you for sharing!! SAS says they will order new airplanes by the end of next year. The MD-80/A330 and A340 will be replaced. IMO t
130 Post contains images bjorn14 : SAS really has to rationalize their fleet. How many other arlines have 10 types? They want to be everything to everyone. Oh yeah, a broke customer is
131 SKAirbus : Interesting... The 737-700 has been in the SAS fleet for years albeit in Norway and Boeing has been delivering it to SAS Norway for some time as well
132 Larshjort : How is the CPH Swift prograssing, I cansee some activity from "kystvejen" but how far are they? And any date on when it will open? Nice picture, btw i
133 Post contains images oykie : Japan Airlines has 12...
134 PM : Apropos of not very much, I feel moved to share with everyone that I'll be flying ZRH-CPH-OSL-LYR-OSL-CPH-ZRH on SK this summer and I'll be on a CRJ90
135 Post contains images oykie : It is indeed an enthusiast airline!!! Sounds like a nice trip. OSL is usually dominated by the 737
136 Post contains images PM : What chance do I have of getting on a -600? I've flown on the -200, -300, -400, -500, -700. -800, and -900 but never yet a -600.
137 Someone83 : OSL-LYR is usually a -700 (sometimes -800). OSL-CPH is a mix but usually -700 and -800 if the flight is operated by OSL based crew or MD-80, 319 og 3
138 B747forever : Doesnt ARN see the most of the 736s?
139 Post contains images Someone83 : It's plenty of them at OSL too
140 Post contains images B747forever : Yeah, but still, I think ARN gets more 736s Seriously though, which of the three airports ARN, OSL and CPH see the 736 the most?
141 Someone83 : If I remember correctly, before SAS went back to one AOC, 16 -600 was based at ARN and 12 at OSL. I guess it still about the same. CPH only sees -600
142 TeamDA : Looking at flights with LH from Bergen it looks like they are swapping from CR7s to E190s from April. LH3126 and LH3128 on various dates that I have c
143 Larshjort : I see several 737-600's a day when I'm taking photos on a saterday or sunday. I believe some flights to Bergen or Stavanger is flown on 736 but I can
144 Someone83 : Slightly outside Scandinavia, but SAS has in some way managed to get hold of another LHR slot pair, which they will use to increase HEL-LHR with Blue1
145 Post contains images PM : I know and I tried but the timings didn't work out.
146 AF022 : According to SK press release, SK and ET will start cooperation on ET's ADD-ARN flights on 29 March. Another site shows ET going to daily to ARN this
147 B747forever : Well that was about time. Still clueless why they havent cooperated on this flight from the beginnning.
148 Post contains links SpeedyGonzales : TRF got its licence renewed for 20 more years. They have full freedom to set their own fees, no traffic limits, owners and local authorites can decedi
149 EBGflyer : Could you provide a link to the press release? I don't see it on the SAS website.
150 Post contains links Sukhoi : http://www.flysas.com/en/EuroBonus/News/EthiopianAirlines/?vst=true Will they codeshare too, SK + ET?
151 ETStar : Yes sir. Takes effect on March 29, both ADD-ARN and FCO-ARN. ET goes daily to ARN starting June 2010.
152 ju068 : ...Cimber Sterling starts their first flight to Belgrade tomorrow. Twice a week on a 737-700.
153 bjorn14 : Does anyone know if a WF Dash 100 flies out of OSL/TRP? Seems they are only up north.
154 Someone83 : Yes, the use them on a few routes from Oslo, to Sogndal, Sandane, Førde og Florø
155 Someone83 : Sun Air will close AAL-OSL from April 5th
156 Post contains links Andaman : And it could be the SAS family is trying yet an other new a/c type... according to the Finnish YLE News Blue1 (SASFinland) probably replace their fiv
157 EBGflyer : Anybody know how the first flight from CPH to DOH with QR went today in terms of load? Regards,
158 ju068 : Could someone tell me how did SK finish the year (passengerw ise) and how they have been performing in 2010... And is there anyone who could tell me w
159 Post contains links B747forever : So far a loss before tax of $138 millions http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...su26SpSuxARa6eCSaliAnmZsQD9EOUKH80
160 Post contains images Someone83 : It was overbooked by 2 pax from what I heard
161 Someone83 : I guess it makes sense. The MD-90s are slightly too large for Blue1. And after the collapse of Quantum Air, SAS has 4 or 5 717s sitting idle somewher
162 Post contains images tristarsteve : The first? Royal Falcon B734 arrived at ARN today. JY-RFF parked on F28 and leaving at 1800. Seems a long way for a B734? Flight number RL101/102. [Ed
163 Post contains links Someone83 : SAS Group's March 2010 traffic figures . SAS Group's traffic (RPK) increased by 3.4% during March and seat capacity (ASK) was down 8.8% vs same period
164 EBGARN : I have a question for you: SAS homepage states that IST is a SAS destination from ARN, but I cannot find any flights... How is that? Is it bi-weekly o
165 Post contains links Someone83 : http://www.sas.se/sv/erbjudanden/erb...nationer/?WT.mc_id=X14279&vst=true According to this, twice weekly (mon, fri) from 2/7 to 20/8
166 Someone83 : The major Scandinavia airports have now released their March passenger figures CPH: 1.775.794 +17,4% OSL: 1.574.307 +6,7% ARN: 1.424.246 +4%
167 Someone83 : Up to and including 21/4 SAS predicts their vulcano losses to be MSEK 460, while Norwegian assumes a loss of MNOK 100
168 Someone83 : Norwegian will this summer operate a weekly flight Trondheim - Antalya
169 Post contains links GrinddalCPH : CPH has released 1st quarter figures, they show a passenger increase of 11.4% Link in Danish Only, http://www.cph.dk/CPH/DK/PRESSE/Nyheder/2010/Foerst
170 Post contains links speedygonzales : TRF made a 53 MNOK profit last year, link in Norwegian: http://www.sb.no/nyheter/jubelrop-fra-torp-1.5225409
171 Someone83 : Transwede has ceased to exist
172 Someone83 : OMNI has (temporarily???) establish a base at OSL, meaning we see a lot of DC-10s and 767s these days, carrying US troops from the US to the Middle Ea
173 Someone83 : The traffic figures for CPH, ARN and OSL for April was heavily influenced by the ash cloud as seen from the figures CPH: 1.315.812 -19,2% ( -312.488 p
174 david_itl : Something a bit "different": BE is to operate a weekly MAN-OSD charter service from December 19th to February 27th. How many Britons head to Sweden fo
175 prebennorholm : Probably more than most people would imagine. When I left KTT in Finland on a Sunday afternoon in late January a couple of years ago, then three Brit
176 Someone83 : Air France is making som changes on CDG-OSL from the Winter 2010/2011 timetable. While the route is "downgraded" from 318/319/320, to E-190, the frequ
177 bjorn14 : In Norway, same at Fagerness (VDB) lots of weekend charters to the area ski resorts from a few Brit towns. OSL also becoming a jumping off point for
178 B747forever : Which one is the extra flight?
179 Someone83 : I think you need to change "lots", with "some".... Right now is OSL-CDG with AF this AF1275 06:35 AF2375 15:45 So with the new timetable, they add a
180 B747forever : Okay, thanks. Good that they added AF2074 (CDG0940 – 1205OSL) as a lot of US/Canada flights arrive in the early morning so the pax can connect to O
181 EBGflyer : According to Danish news site ekstrabladet.dk,Vice President for Qatar Airways in Europe, Paul Johannes points out CPH-DOH as one of the most succesfu
182 Post contains links GOT : As per this post http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4823334/ and this article http://www.arabianbusiness.com/58922...co
183 EBGflyer : Yes, you are right. ojas started a separate thread on this 1 hour after my post. I'm wondering when the change to the daily A332 will actually take p
184 Tristarsteve : Depends which A330 turns up!! We have seen all possible QR cabin configurations since the start. A330-200 and 300, some with First class seating. The
185 EBGflyer : Interesting. QR has 3 versions of the A330-200 with different cabin configs and 3 versions of the -300 as well. According to Seatguru.com each versio
186 EBGflyer : BTW, Delta begins flying from ARN/CPH today to JFK. Anybody know how the loads are on these first flights?
187 Tristarsteve : They don't sell first class.
188 B747forever : Well the first flight from ARN departed about 2.5hours late!
189 Tristarsteve : BA are operating a B744 Freighter to ARN on Thur 3 June. ETA 1225 ETD 1425. Its a one off to move cargo left behind due lack of B767s during the Cabin
190 Someone83 : Easyjet will from September 10th begin a 6 x weekly flight between CPH and CDG and from Spetember 6th daily flights between LGW and GOT[Edited 2010-06
191 Post contains images cityairline : I also just read about this, great news indeed! Good for CPH to get more destination from EasyJet. Fantastic for GOT to finally receive Easyjet! It w
192 EBGflyer : To my understanding it's not 6x weekly, but daily (Saturday departure time is different though). The schedule looks like this: EZY3827 CDG 13:50 CPH
193 Someone83 : My mistake.....the Saturday flight "disappeared" in my overview
194 Someone83 : Ryanair will close down Rygge-Skavsta (or Oslo-Stockholm as they would say) from June 30. The route was started with 2 daily flights in October last y
195 FlyingBird : The LF on the route is 10-15%
196 Post contains links and images SAS A340 : Hi everybody! Does anybody know what type that will replace TG,s daily 744 at ARN later on? And when we now are in Gothenburg,don't for the world miss
197 alm1 : Skyways ends ARN-VNO on 2 July. There will be no direct flights left between Sweden and Lithuania. Maybe Ryanair could use free slots after demise fli
198 Someone83 : Don't think even TG knows that.......
199 B747forever : What do you mean, will they change the equipment soon?
200 Post contains images SAS A340 : Don't think so...some time ago there was some pictures that showed 380-800 markings at the tarmac in ARN and i got the impression that TG,s 744 fleet
201 LipeGIG : I just don't understand why SAS do not try again to fly to South America. Recent investment made by Norway (mainly) and others lead to an increased nu
202 Post contains images B747forever : I doubt that the markings really mean anything, but I hope for the best
203 Tristarsteve : It must have been a publicity shot. The only gate sized for A380 is F36. There are no markings on the ramp any more, just A B C and D, but in the jet
204 robbie86 : Rumors had it that both ARN and CPH is possible A380 routes for TG. But after all, it's just rumors...
205 AF022 : Isn't there tons of capacity available on LH and AF?
206 Post contains images traveler_7 : Or perhaps OV can open one more route out of VNO?
207 Post contains links okAY : Finnair will return to Stockholm Bromma Airport, after 48 years of absence. The route will start in August of this year. The route will be flown with
208 B747forever : Fantastic news. I love that I now will be able to see AY in BMA.
209 cityairline : Great news! Will this affect the ARN frequencies? IIRC Finnair recently added another flight to ARN aswell? //Alex
210 okAY : Found this press release from Finnair. There it is mentioned that AY flies 50 flights per week between the two cities. Mentions nothing about frequenc
211 Someone83 : It seems like Delta is planning to reduce ATL-CPH to a seasonal route as it no longer can be booket between October 30th 2010 and March 28th 2011
212 Post contains links G2Scandinavia : Hello LipeGIG Well you are absolutely right concerning the traffic between Norway and Brazil. The loads to/from Brazil from the Norwegian market, is
213 ju068 : Could SK operate CPH-OSL-Brasil?
214 EBGflyer : No reason to really fly one of the big birds via OSL when they have 10+ flights a day between OSL and CPH. Mind that not the whole Norwegian market o
215 Post contains links Andaman : [quote=EBGflyer,reply=214]I'd rather see SFO, PVG or HKG being launched! Would be cool, but they propably not planning long haul openings... Their CEO
216 Someone83 : A total of 1.670.335 passengers used OSL in May 2010, which is a 9,1% increase from the same period last year. domestic traffic was up 5,0%, while int
217 GrinddalCPH : I Strongly doubt this, as CPH has no Runway wide enough to fit the A380, due to safety precautions! Daniel,
218 Post contains images Mortyman : Thats OK. They can move the A380 operations to OSL
219 B747forever : Some of that traffic is probably because of Eurovision song contest.
220 Someone83 : Don't think that much extra traffic was generated due to that. A few extra thousand I would guess, but the growth is in line with the tendencies from
221 bjorn14 : I'd laugh if I didn't think it was sooo sad. I think the unions will kill any takeover deal (esp. the Danes) SK will be a social jobs program until t
222 Post contains images GrinddalCPH : HAHA, yeh, I never understood why CPH does not have the facilities to have visits from the 380, it puzzles me, must be one of very few Main hubs in t
223 oykie : That may have been the case before, but after pressure from the Scandinavian governments to make the unions agree to a deal with SAS this spring they
224 Someone83 : Neither OSL is ready for the A380. Yes, it visited OSL for freezing fog testing 1,5 years ago, but they needed a special one time permission to do th
225 CO38 : Does anybody know how City Airline's MD-87 ops is going? AFAIK they have 2 MD-87 + 1 on order (think its getting its paint job done these days) on a w
226 Mortyman : Yes, but I'm sure the airport is large enought to handle the A380 on a regulare basis.
227 LipeGIG : Thanks for the comments and confirmations. Norway to Brazil has become a very premium traffic with lots of oil & gas, government and shipyards es
228 Post contains links Someone83 : Not sure, but they are using them. However, their big expansion plans was cancelled when th company was sold a few months ago due to large losses bec
229 bjorn14 : As reported in ATW Daily: SAS Group airlines flew 2.38 billion RPKs in May, up 4% year-over-year, while capacity fell 1.6% to 3.15 billion ASKs. Load
230 EBGflyer : I'm not convinced that your numbers hold up. The oil industry that you are mentioning would have a lot of traffic going out of SVG not OSL, which wou
231 bjorn14 : I would suggest a 332. IMHO, I think it needs to leave from CPH-GIG. Virtually every important oil city (ex. EBJ) SK has in the Nordics connects ther
232 g2scandinavia : Well i can guarantee you that the numbers are correct. The statements provided by LipeGIG are correct and in line with our in-house data. Aprox 20% o
233 LipeGIG : Agree that mostly of the oil industry is in SVG as well as Lysaker. I just used an official number of workers visa and estimated the number of visito
234 EBGflyer : Of course there would be more traffic between OSL and SVG than to CPH. No need to point that out. My point is just that part of the market to Brazil
235 Someone83 : CPH can report a passanger increase of 11,9% i May to 1.897.202. Details: Domestic: +29,7% International: +10,0% Transfer: +12,2%
236 LipeGIG : It is the wrong direction, but they do have traffic and as i just pointed out, for example, Hydro will have a new Brazilian operation due to the Vale
237 SAS767 : Let me throw in some fresh CPH rumours instead of this "theoretical" OSL-Brasil discussion among the OSL dreamers. * Ryanair base from November when C
238 B747forever : And those carriers would be? EK will probably serve CPH soon, but I doubt it will happen anytime this year. Most likely before next summer.
239 speedygonzales : Replace CPH with AMS, and you have today's situation. I don't see anything that will dethrone AMS as Norway's biggest intercontinental airport in the
240 hardiwv : Totally correct. The Scandinavian market is nevralgic for AMS hub and for KLM network with special consideration for the Norwegian market. KL network
241 g2scandinavia : First of all, I think it’s sad that CPH leaks information about the upcoming release of the slots for 2010-2011 (winter). This is information that
242 EBGARN : I'd suggest you use the words a bit more carefully. SAS is up for sale, and almost irrespectively of who the buyer will be, CPH will no longer be an
243 LN-KGL : The oil industry in Norway is spread out along the whole coast from Kristiansand in the south to Hammerfest in the north, in addition to offices in a
244 Post contains images g2scandinavia : Well EBGARn, I suggest Hi EBGARN I thought you knew that silence is the best way to oversee statements with an obscure address By the way, congratulat
245 SAS767 : Who says this information comes directly from CPH? I can tell you that this is not the case - it's "just" rumours from different sources independent
246 hardiwv : You made an important point about the fact that the oil business in Norway is not concentrated in OSL but rather spread along the Norwegian coast fro
247 g2scandinavia : Well I’m flattered by your concerns but, I must say that I really think it’s up to us if we want to reveal our analysis and dialogs on airliners
248 g2scandinavia : Hi Hardiw. You are absolutly right. The KL 0791 is a popular choice to Brazil from Norway. As i wrote earlier, 76% of the Norway - Brazil traffic ori
249 LN-KGL : KLM doesn't cover four important oil/gas related airports on the west coast of Norway - KSU/MOL/AES/HAU. But still AMS is a better hub for westbound
250 MillwallSean : What airline other than a charter airline would start any service between Brazil and Scandinavia? Even more so Brazil and Oslo? Who is the airline tha
251 LipeGIG : As well as paper/pulp. And as said before exports of codfish to Brazil are very strong. Thanks, no matter what seems that OSL is a very good option.
252 Post contains links LipeGIG : At this point, with 251 posts, we will lock the thread # 1. Please continue with the discussions here: Scandinavian Aviation #2 2010 (by LipeGIG Jun 1
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