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Turkish Orders A319s And A321s.  
User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7358 times:

http://www.boursier.com/vals/FR/eads...mmande-pour-airbus-news-364682.htm

14 A321s + 6 A319s and 10 A321 options.First delivery in 2011.Not really the big NB order expected. I guess another order of the same size will go to Boeing.Half , half.

Not really official , but very near...

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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7337 times:

Turkish Airlines Orders 20+10 A32X (by Flying-Tiger Jan 4 2010 in Civil Aviation)
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User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1791 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7339 times:

Turkish decided to make their A32X fleet the main narrow body aircraft because of the fact that you can easly swap the aircraft depending on the demand du jour. The A319 has proven itself as a good candidate for some Eastern Turkish airports where terrain, runway , altitude or combination of either of these required a better performance. So, I am not surprised to see the 319 orders as well.


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User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4004 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7134 times:

So according to FI, that will be a fleet total of 67 Airbus A32X, including no less than 35 A321.

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4785 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7032 times:

Does anyone else feel that they're expanding a bit too rapidly with all these mega orders which might turn against them in the long term???

User currently offlineHirnie From Germany, joined May 2004, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6951 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 4):
Does anyone else feel that they're expanding a bit too rapidly with all these mega orders which might turn against them in the long term???


Yes, me!

But good for Airbus to grab some more orders for the A32X.

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 3):
So according to FI, that will be a fleet total of 67 Airbus A32X, including no less than 35 A321.

How many B738 do Turkish have in their fleet?


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25416 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6810 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 4):
Does anyone else feel that they're expanding a bit too rapidly with all these mega orders which might turn against them in the long term???

Yes and no.

Quick expansion always has its dangers, however from a market point of view even in toady's depressed global market they are managing strong earnings while growing traffic.

Their home Turkey market continues to grow still, while they are managing to ever increase their connection traffic under Star umbrella without signs of market overcapacity as seen in places like India for example. I suppose it helps, that while Turkey does have some LCCs, they still operate at the fringes leaving the bulk of the market for TK and market continues to be stimulated.

Quoting Hirnie (Reply 5):
How many B738 do Turkish have in their fleet?

51 -800s, 7 -700s with more on the way also.



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User currently offlineCYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 810 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6789 times:



Quoting Hirnie (Reply 5):
How many B738 do Turkish have in their fleet?

They have quite a lot: 51 x 738

Additionally they have
6 x 737
4 x 734 (which I guess, will be replaced soon?)

They also appear to have a few remaining deliveries of 737s NG (4-5 to be delivered within the next year or so)



CY@Uk
User currently offlineTurkishSky From Turkey, joined Mar 2004, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6760 times:

now official from THY.com

Turkish Airlines Decides to Acquire New Aircraft...
04.01.2010

Turkish Airlines to buy 30 Airbus 320 family planes, 20 jets definite and 10 jets are with options.

The Board of Directors of Turkish Airlines, Turkey's flag carrier, said on Monday it will buy 30 airplanes from Airbus, 20 of them definite and 10 of them optional, as part of its fleet-expansion plan of 105 new aircraft that was announced previously. According to the decision of the Board Directors, 14 jets of A321-200 jets and 6 jets of A319-100 will be purchased.

The new aircraft will be delivered to Turkish Airlines in the years of 2011-2012. The Board of Directors has also made a decision to place an order for purchase of 10 planes of A319/A321, all with options, to be procured in the year 2013.

The number of single aisle jets in the fleet of Turkish Airlines will increase to 126 and the number of twin aisle aircraft will rise to 36 between 2010 and 2012 with the procurement of these new jets. The total number of aircraft in the fleet of Turkish Airlines will reach the total of 168 aircraft, 6 of them freight airplane, by the end of 2012.

More information about Frequent Flyer Program is available at www.thy.com/smiles and for more information on Turkish Airlies flights and fares please visit www.thy.com or contact Turkish Airlines Sales Offices.

Turkish Airlines, Inc.
Media Relations



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User currently offlineVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6586 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 4):
Does anyone else feel that they're expanding a bit too rapidly with all these mega orders which might turn against them in the long term???

Funny, I feel the opposite in some respects. For many years, in fact a couple of decades I always felt that TK was a little slow out of the blocks but it became evident that this was due mainly to their conservatist approach rather than poor business vision (some might disagree) and as a result they operated in a very busy domestic market and a rapidly growing European market with a relatively small fleet for many years up till recently. This inadvertently helped them as the post 9/11 downturn affected most other airlines yet left them virtually unscathed, coupled with the fact that it was also ideally placed geopolitically to ride out the downturn.

So, it was no surprise to me that TK had a major push last year to sign up different routes and get a foot in the increasingly busy international market now that there's a slight upturn now and acquiring more short/medium haul aircraft is probably again a conservatist yet wise approach by TK as it could always use them with the anticipated high load factor Turkey foresees with the continued increase in tourist activity in the coming years so I see it as a win-win situation to be honest.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4435 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6510 times:



Quoting CYatUK (Reply 7):
They also appear to have a few remaining deliveries of 737s NG (4-5 to be delivered within the next year or so)

I haven't heard this one. Any sources?

About the choice of 321/319. 321 is not my favorite, but lets see if these arrive with dedicated 2-2 J seating. 319s I like, very versatile, not only for domestic routes they are the ones to start brand new thin routes to test the waters. I wonder if TK will return 4x leased 319s it has now since 2 were to leave in 2012, the other two 2014.
Congrats to TK and Airbus!! I can see a livery change within a year!

A few words about the Turkish domestic market; TK is becoming more and more dominant with bases in IST, SAW and through AnadoluJet and Sunexpress at AYT, ADB and ESB. Also other players in the market like Pegasus is ordering new planes also ( 34 738s on order). Tons of room to grow domestically with the population going up to 80+million next decade.
In terms of the international travel, Turkish citizens are limited to visit a lot of countries because of visa requirements. On the other hand many other countries are going to get a huge amount of Turkish tourists and businessmen in the next decade because of waiving visa requirements such as Albania, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Bolivia, Bosnia, Dominica, Equator, El Salvador, Morocco, the Philippines, Gambia, Guatemala, Croatia, Honduras, Hong Kong, Jamaica, Japan, Kazakhstan, Colombia, South Korea, Costa Rika, Macedonia, Maldives, Malaysia, Nicaragua, St. Lucia, San Marino, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Chile, Thailand, Trinidad Tobago, Tunisia, Uruguay, Vatican, Egypt, South Africa, Argentina, Kenya, Monaco, San Marino.


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2976 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6162 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 10):
About the choice of 321/319. 321 is not my favorite

I think the 321 is the ideal aircraft for their summer Germany traffic. they could send the 321s to every single German destination and they would fill them up to the last seat (during summer of course...). do you know the MTOW of TKs 321s? as a matter of fact I know that for example the newest 321s of LH have a lower MTOW (around 5to) which of course effects the maximum load capacity during hot summer.

as mentioned the 319 is a really nice aircraft and I'm sure this counts also for the pilots. I think they all like the baby-bus due to the performance.


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6141 times:

I only flew the TK 321 once and the seat pitch felt much tighter the rest of the fleet.. Was it just me or is it the case?

I believe TK also still has some leased 320/321s from LX etc. Some of the new orders should replace these...



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User currently onlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4739 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6130 times:
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Quoting TurkishSky (Reply 8):
now official from THY.com

Turkish Airlines Decides to Acquire New Aircraft...
04.01.2010

Turkish Airlines to buy 30 Airbus 320 family planes, 20 jets definite and 10 jets are with options.

Well good news for Turkish and Airbus. A good start of the new year to all of them.  Smile


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4018 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6072 times:
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Is there any chance we'll see TK order any 739ERs?

User currently offlineTHEENGINEER From Germany, joined Mar 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5687 times:



Quoting Behramjee (Reply 4):
Does anyone else feel that they're expanding a bit too rapidly with all these mega orders which might turn against them in the long term???

I definitely agree

They are expanding like crazy


User currently offlineSam the Lab From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 232 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5600 times:

May I ask what is the seat configuration of the Turkish A319, A320 and A321, please.

Thank you.


User currently offlineCaryjack From United States of America, joined May 2007, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4787 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 10):
Quoting CYatUK (Reply 7):
They also appear to have a few remaining deliveries of 737s NG (4-5 to be delivered within the next year or so)


I haven't heard this one. Any sources?

According to Boeing's Orders and Delivery site TK ordered and received 49 of the B-738s, the last one delivered in Dec of '08.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm User Defined Reports

Quoting Sam the Lab (Reply 16):
May I ask what is the seat configuration of the Turkish A319, A320 and A321, please.

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Tur...s/Turkish_Airlines_Airbus_A321.php
This is Seat Guru but I'm not sure of its accuracy.

Thanks,
Cary  smile 


User currently offlineYodobashi From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 237 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4528 times:



Quoting TurkishWings (Reply 12):
I only flew the TK 321 once and the seat pitch felt much tighter the rest of the fleet.. Was it just me or is it the case?

According to www.seatguru.com ....

All ecomony class figures:

TK A321 : 30-32.0" pitch 17.5" width
TK A340 : 33-34" pitch 17" width
TK B738 : 31" pitch, 17" width

So in temrs of pitch, it may well be tighter but as far as width is concerned, the seats are actually wider (albeit only ½ inch) on the A321 than others in the fleet.

Quoting Sam the Lab (Reply 16):
May I ask what is the seat configuration of the Turkish A319, A320 and A321, please.

Again, seatguru shows:

TK A319 : 126 economy (3/3 config)
TK A320 : 15 business (2/3 config), 128 economy (3/3 config)
TK A321 : 32 business** (2/2 config), 146 economy (3/3 config)
** flexible business class, similar to the BA product, where 2 business seat can be converted to 3 ecomony so with no business class, the aircraft could carry 194 in ecomony only.

Bear in mind that the new orders could be configured differently ....

 Smile



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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2642 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4347 times:
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Have they announced any new routes, where do they plan to use all these planes?

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4018 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3875 times:
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Quoting JU068 (Reply 19):
Have they announced any new routes, where do they plan to use all these planes?

Might the 321s be placed on routes like LHR that currently sees 330s which would allow them to add additional frequencies (slot permiting). It's a good thing to have a flexible Airbus nb fleet as it allows them to adjust capacity quickly from day to day.

Any thoughts about TK buying the 739ER?


User currently offlineSpeedbirdegjj From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3440 times:



Quoting Yodobashi (Reply 18):
Again, seatguru shows:

TK A319 : 126 economy (3/3 config)
TK A320 : 15 business (2/3 config), 128 economy (3/3 config)
TK A321 : 32 business** (2/2 config), 146 economy (3/3 config)
** flexible business class, similar to the BA product, where 2 business seat can be converted to 3 ecomony so with no business class, the aircraft could carry 194 in ecomony only.

Bear in mind that the new orders could be configured differently ....

This info isnt quite correct and i had told Seatguru about this.

The JM series of 321's have a Kingfisher interior, and a genuine 2+2 in the business cabin.
I flew in J on one 2 weeks back DXB-IST and it was very comfortable, the standard JR series one i flew on the outbound was far worse from a confort point of view in business class.


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3391 times:

Will the TK B738 crash in AMS last year have played a role in this choice? I know TK wasn't happy with Boeing at all back then.

KL911


User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3364 times:



Quoting Speedbirdegjj (Reply 21):
The JM series of 321's have a Kingfisher interior, and a genuine 2+2 in the business cabin.
I flew in J on one 2 weeks back DXB-IST and it was very comfortable

TK recently stated that they are going to change the business class of the 320s and the 737s with a standard product (possibly similar to the one you mentioned). So, I suppose these new birds will have comfortable business class cabin.

BTW, personally I was expecting this order to be a Boeing order, I guess I should have believed my insider sources when I was told a couple of weeks ago that the order would be an Airbus order  Smile



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User currently onlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3129 times:

I can't remember where I read it but I saw somewhere that TK are going to install genuine business class 2-2 seating in all of their narrow body fleet over the next few years. They are apparently going to install PTVs in their 737/A32X fleets. It was in an interview with the TK CEO, I'm guessing it was in Airline Business but can't find the article now.


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25 TK787 : I guess having 20+ 321s in its fleet and ordering 14 + options pretty much kills 739ER as an option. I am not even sure if we see a 737 order after t
26 Stylo777 : if they are able to get some slots I think its better to operate 5x daily LHR with 321 instead of 3x with one (or two) operated with 332/333/343/77W.
27 Post contains links Asiaflyer : This order was signed on Dec 30, according to Airbus website, so it will hit the 2009 orderbook. http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...0_01_05_a320_t
28 LAXintl : United's annoucement was not a formal order. It was simply and LOI. The carrier will negotiate with Airbus and Boeing with a goal of reaching a forma
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