Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6137 posts, RR: 13 Posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5148 times:
Delta will add SLC-FAI in June. They have not flown the route since 2008. The service will be 5 per week which is one more per week than F9's just announced FAI-DEN service. F9 starts a few weeks earlier, but they both end on virtually the same day (Labor Day).
This is prettty clearly a response to F9 which is interesting in that DL code shares with YX which isn't even an airline any more, but is actually a cobbled together fleet of Republic and Frontier aircraft. This would imply that the relationship is not so cozy in that this is how they treat AirTran, for example.
Mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9197 posts, RR: 14 Reply 1, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5095 times:
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter): This is prettty clearly a response to F9 which is interesting in that DL code shares with YX which isn't even an airline any more, but is actually a cobbled together fleet of Republic and Frontier aircraft.
I don't see where YX is a codeshare partner, any longer....I see AS, American Eagle, China Airlines and Royal Air Maroc. This is from Delta.com
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Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 8): I have a feeling that MSP FAI will take a hit in favor for the new SLC FAI service since DL will have to 'right size' these flights.
Probably, which is why I think this is definitely retaliatory. The MSP services makes more sense/cents. Clearly they didnt even fly it last year so it must be worse than MSP and now it has competition from F9...and lower fares. So this is not a decision made with profitability as the primary goal. Maybe AS will jump into DEN-FAI just to make it more fun.
Crosswinds21 From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 684 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4608 times:
Quoting Mayor (Reply 7): Good luck with that. Not sure how the flights are, out of MSP, but trying to non-rev to ANC or FAI out of SLC, in the summer, is miserable.
I was easily able to non rev to and from FAI this past June...took AS SEA-FAI there and DL FAI-MSP back. Both flights we half empty and DL even gave me an F seat. Although, I was told later by several people that the FAI-MSP flight being that empty was an anomaly.
Yet another DL response to another airline invading their turf?
DL has flown to FAI in the past, first as part of the WA merger until the late '90s, then recently, a SLC-FAI seasonal summer flight since 2004 (or maybe it was 2005?) This is not a new route, and certainly not a response to F9.
GentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2074 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4317 times:
I think DL untimely announcement of seasonal service is their attempt to pardon the pun, kill two birds with one stone. Lets not forget AS inaugurated service between SEA-ATL in late October. Even though DL and AS are code-share "partners". All is fair in love and war.
A few pro's and con's I see. F9 offers IFE for until the satellites quit receiving, about two hours from FAI. F9 service from DEN will roughly be an hour longer DEN being on the opposite side of the Rockies on smaller A319-A320 vs DL 757. The flying public will decide, After price it will ultimately be about service. My wife was not thrilled with her last DL flight.
Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 8771 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4290 times:
Quoting Crosswinds21 (Reply 16): Although, I was told later by several people that the FAI-MSP flight being that empty was an anomaly.
Getting up to FAI this past summer was pretty easy - coach went out full, but First had about 8 passengers in it - I was on a coach award ticket and was easily upgraded into F. This was mid-June at summer solstice, so pretty much peak time.
ANC-MSP on the way down wasn't bad either - I again cleared on an award ticket upgrade, and an AS MVP (not Gold) was sitting next to me down to MSP, and we had a few opens in the back.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 8771 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (3 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4217 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 22):
They added it 10 days after F9 and didn't fly it the prior year. Who is drinking the Kool-Aid?
Given that it was being flown 2x daily out of MSP in a year when the economy was in the absolute tank, and it's back now on approximately the same basis as it was before hand with an improved economy, it's not a huge surprise.
The MSP hub competes quite well with most of the markets that Frontier will be connecting. The SLC service adds in some connectivity from the Rockies area, but not a whole lot of extra traffic. In addition, it can connect some of the West Coast in, as SAN/LAX-SLC-FAI isn't a horrible routing (though AS via SEA will still be the preferred option).
This is about giving more options to FAI for Delta - if Delta's seeing good loads on it's current MSP-FAI bookings, then they could do three options:
(a) Upgauge MSP-FAI to a 757-300 (which might not be the most effective use of that plane, given that there might be other markets that need it more)
(b) Add a third frequency to MSP-FAI
(c) Resume SLC-FAI
Assuming an upgauge isn't the best option (limited number of 753s and MSP-FAI-MSP is a long turn, looking at 12 hours minimum), adding SLC-FAI and adding new markets to connect into FAI is much preferable on paper than a third MSP-FAI frequency.
Delta is also the second largest carrier into Alaska - 8 flights into Anchorage during the summer, 3 now into FAI for 11 daily flights (as well as 3 year-round flights, two more than any other non-AS competitor), plus the code-sharing/FFP arrangements between Delta and Alaska will drive customers to Delta as well.