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Allegiant To Acquire 18 MD-80 From SAS  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15428 times:

Airline continues to grow its stable of MD-80s.

-13 MD82/MD83
-5 MD-87
MD-87 will be cannibalized and used as spares.

Quote:
Allegiant Travel Company to Purchase 18 MD-80 Aircraft

LAS VEGAS, Jan. 4 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Allegiant Travel Company today announced that on December 30, 2009 it signed an agreement to purchase 18 MD-80 aircraft from Scandinavian Airlines System (SAS). Allegiant will pay for the aircraft with cash.

Allegiant expects to take delivery of these aircraft during the first three quarters of 2010.
Allegiant expects that the all-in cost of placing each such aircraft into service, including an allocable portion of the acquisition price and required maintenance, paint, seats, equipment upgrades and other necessary modifications will be less than $4 million per aircraft.

Full Story;
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Allegi...-to-prnews-351425761.html?x=0&.v=1


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 15406 times:

G4 must have some fairly aggressive expansion plans in the works. I suppose this means some new destination markets are in the works, but I can't think of many more areas that would fit the mold.

User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15277 times:

Interesting move to buy such old aircraft.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
-13 MD82/MD83
-5 MD-87
MD-87 will be cannibalized and used as spares.

Can many MD-87 parts also be used on MD82/83s, or are these basically purchased as a supply base for their existing (small) MD-87 fleet?

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Allegiant will pay for the aircraft with cash.

In the current economical climate, I can understand the wish to buy aircraft using cash on hand. This makes the order quite sensible.

Does Allegiant have a very seasonable demand curve? When aircraft aren't used as much every day of the year, it actually does make sense to buy cheap aircraft; you don't pay much for them when sitting on the ground, albeit a bit more when flying them.

Is jet fuel cheaper in the USA than in western European countries? It looks like American carriers fly their aircraft a bit longer than their European counterparts: what makes this balance calculation come out different? Fuel, or something else?

FR: 3.0
U2: 3.3
IB: 7.5
AF: 9.2
KL: 10.2
BA: 11.4
SK: 11.7
LH: 13.0

B6: 4.4
CO: 9.2
US: 12.0
UA: 13.4
DL: 13.5 (excl. NW)
WN: 14.4
AA: 15.3
NW: 15.9 (excl. DC9s!)


User currently offlineAlexInWa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15227 times:

Makes me wonder if G4 will be in the market for a new type in the next few years? Some of those MD-80's are getting up there in age. With the Hawaii rumor, and 757's getting older and older by the day (don't think any 753's are available) makes me wonder if some 738's or 739's might fit the bill.


You mad Bro???
User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15212 times:

According to the press release, only 13 will be placed in service in either 2010 or 2011 and the other 5 will be parted out.

At the end of the 3rd quarter they stated they would grow by at least 6 aircraft in 2010 (2 aircraft for 2010 were already purchased and start soon).

So putting 4 or 5 more in service from this new group in 2010 (plus the 2 already coming online) and the other 8 in 2011 is not really out of line with their announced growth plans.

I note this:

Quote:
Allegiant expects that the all-in cost of placing each such aircraft into service, including an allocable portion of the acquisition price and required maintenance, paint, seats, equipment upgrades and other necessary modifications will be less than $4 million per aircraft.



And in terms of growth,

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 1):
G4 must have some fairly aggressive expansion plans in the works. I suppose this means some new destination markets are in the works, but I can't think of many more areas that would fit the mold.

Rumors are they have several things in mind. Some is growth of existing destinations. Then the New York area is one destination that has been mentioned in investor presentations. Then of course Mexico, the Caribbean, etc.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineNetjetsINTL From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15213 times:

Soon LAS will be the Low cost capital of the world, seems every other airplane taking off is a Southwest 737 or an Allegiant MD80. Now this.

good for Allegiant


User currently offlineKrsw757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14944 times:

Any rumors specify whether they'll open more destinations out of punta gorda?

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12475 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14924 times:

Good move for SK as well; get rid of some older aircraft, get some kroner in the kitty (which it badly needs) and also, reduce capacity at a time of recession (and intense competition from the likes of FR.)

User currently offlineElBandGeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14902 times:

Definately good to see G4 doing well, someone in the industry needs to. I don't live in an area where I'll be flying them anytime soon, but it's good to know people in all of the markets they're serving have the option of a real airline when they're going on vacation.

Quoting NetjetsINTL (Reply 5):
Soon LAS will be the Low cost capital of the world, seems every other airplane taking off is a Southwest 737 or an Allegiant MD80. Now this.

What about MCO? You already have dominance by WN, FL, and B6. Soon enough they'll be adding G4 into that mix


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14764 times:



Quoting Krsw757 (Reply 6):
Any rumors specify whether they'll open more destinations out of punta gorda?

I haven't heard about PGD, but as I posted in the presentation thread Allegiant says MYR will get expanded.

Also they are going to shift some Harrahs charter time from Reno to Tunica and expand the Harrahs charters from Tunica.



"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7192 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14694 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 1):
G4 must have some fairly aggressive expansion plans in the works. I suppose this means some new destination markets are in the works, but I can't think of many more areas that would fit the mold.



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 4):
only 13 will be placed in service in either 2010 or 2011



Quoting ElBandGeek (Reply 8):
What about MCO? You already have dominance by WN, FL, and B6. Soon enough they'll be adding G4 into that mix

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That's a lot of planes. That's probably a larger net fleet increase than any U.S. airline for 2010. I suspect MCO is going to heat up. Unlike the other airlines Allegiant doesn't move rashly. They are probably devising a strategy to push back AirTran and I bet some of these planes go that direction. It would be interesting if Allegiant went into CAK. That would really send a message.


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 14555 times:



Quoting Joost (Reply 2):
Interesting move to buy such old aircraft.



Quoting Joost (Reply 2):
Is jet fuel cheaper in the USA than in western European countries? It looks like American carriers fly their aircraft a bit longer than their European counterparts: what makes this balance calculation come out different? Fuel, or something else?

I always wondered about this. FR has proven that its cheaper to buy aircraft and sell them before a D check, or even C check maybe. Why do US carriers keep on using 20+ or 30+ year old aircraft? Maintenance and fuel consumption must be more expensive then buying a new one. And then I didnt even mention the cost of upgrading the interior with IFE and modern seats etc etc.

Are they subsidized, or is it that after every chapter 11 they can start again with a clean sheet?

In my opinion SouthWest,Jetblue and Virgin America are the only ones that have a decent product and know how to run an airline and please the customers.

No way I'm gonna fly an aircraft that's 20+ years old, how safe it may be.

KL911


User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14516 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 11):
No way I'm gonna fly an aircraft that's 20+ years old, how safe it may be.

KL911

Well then you may want to avoid Southwest because they have some 737 classics that are in that 20 year age range. Besides it's a bit rash to say you won't fly on an aircraft that is 20= years old.

On topic...Glad to see that G4 is doing well enough to add more aircraft I love seeing their MD80's at IFP.

FX1816


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14456 times:



Quoting FX1816 (Reply 12):
Well then you may want to avoid Southwest because they have some 737 classics that are in that 20 year age range. Besides it's a bit rash to say you won't fly on an aircraft that is 20= years old.

Ï know, but it was just my own opinion.

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 12):
On topic...Glad to see that G4 is doing well enough to add more aircraft I love seeing their MD80's at IFP.

Me too. ( well, about the adding of addditional aircraft, not happy seeing more MD80's )


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14440 times:

The current Allegiant business model could never support new aircraft as they simply do not fly them at near the utilization that would be required to pay them off.

Allegiant can be considered almost a charter operator that focuses flying from a few target markets such as Las Vegas, Phoenix, Florida, Southern California to primarily secondary smaller cities with only few frequencies per week. They are not a LCC providing high frequency service. Additionally besides seat sales, G4 real profit comes from selling services such as hotel packages in their focus markets.

With low capital cost on aircraft all they need to do is really cover the direct operating cost of flights. As the economy or fuel cost takes swings, G4 easily manages to shrink or expand flying with little overhead or aircraft ownership burden to worry.

Quite a clever model, and one that has been immensely profitable, and one of America's best performing airline stocks.



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14301 times:

.
Good to see the back of those Mad Dogs-80, they´ve been around a loong time now.

Bring on some A319/320s....please!

// Mike  bouncy 



Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineSurfdog75 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14250 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 14):
The current Allegiant business model could never support new aircraft as they simply do not fly them at near the utilization that would be required to pay them off.

You're right. Whenever I'm in LV it's like a parking lot for Allegiant airplanes. Strange to be able to make money with your fleet sitting around on the ground baking in the sun most of the time. Probably not going to make that much money with such a low ute rate but I guess any profit is good in this industry.

[Edited 2010-01-04 11:35:52 by surfdog75]

User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 664 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14243 times:

Looks as if it's time to start begging for FAT-SAN.

User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14244 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 11):
In my opinion SouthWest,Jetblue and Virgin America are the only ones that have a decent product and know how to run an airline and please the customers.

No way I'm gonna fly an aircraft that's 20+ years old, how safe it may be.

Looks like you don't really care about their product you just like hip marketing. And your last sentence proves your comments never cease to amaze me


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2751 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 14225 times:



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 7):
Good move for SK as well; get rid of some older aircraft, get some kroner in the kitty (which it badly needs) and also, reduce capacity at a time of recession (and intense competition from the likes of FR.)

Indeed. Unexpected, but good news. SAS has parked 14 MD-80, so getting some money from these planes seems like a good idea. Even though they are getting old, SAS MD-80 are well maintained by the airline. I wonder if this will raise enough money to become a co launch customer for the Cseries?



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 14099 times:



Quoting Joost (Reply 2):
Interesting move to buy such old aircraft.

That is what they do, and it is actually very smart. The cheaper MD-80s allow them to work in their low utilization model and the price difference can buy an awful lot of fuel.

Quoting Joost (Reply 2):
Can many MD-87 parts also be used on MD82/83s, or are these basically purchased as a supply base for their existing (small) MD-87 fleet?

Sounds like it will be a spares supply. The existing MD-87s are only used for charters I believe.

Quoting Joost (Reply 2):
Does Allegiant have a very seasonable demand curve? When aircraft aren't used as much every day of the year, it actually does make sense to buy cheap aircraft; you don't pay much for them when sitting on the ground, albeit a bit more when flying them.

It doesn't seem particularly seasonal, but they don't utilize their planes nearly as much as other carriers. G4 is fundementally different from most other airlines.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 11):
Why do US carriers keep on using 20+ or 30+ year old aircraft?

Because they can still fly.  Wink

Quoting KL911 (Reply 11):
Maintenance and fuel consumption must be more expensive then buying a new one. And then I didnt even mention the cost of upgrading the interior with IFE and modern seats etc etc.

That is just it, MX and extra fuel in many (at least for G4 and NW) isn't more expensive than a new plane. For those airlines, the note on a new plane would be a serious drag on the operating economics. Especially Allegiant, that flies very low yielding routes, it is imperative for them to have the lowest possible costs. There will come a day when it is no longer worthwhile to use the older planes, but it hasn't come yet.

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 12):
Well then you may want to avoid Southwest because they have some 737 classics that are in that 20 year age range.

...which tend to fly shorter routes where they give up little to newer planes.

Quoting FX1816 (Reply 12):
Besides it's a bit rash to say you won't fly on an aircraft that is 20= years old.

Kind of bordering on ignorant I would say, but that is just me.

Quoting Surfdog75 (Reply 16):
Probably not going to make that much money with such a low ute rate but I guess any profit is good in this industry.

Not if you have new planes to pay off, but if you get Mad Dogs for $3 mil each, it becomes very profitable.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 13953 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20):
Especially Allegiant, that flies very low yielding routes, it is imperative for them to have the lowest possible costs. There will come a day when it is no longer worthwhile to use the older planes, but it hasn't come yet.

FR is flying only low yield routes with brandnew 737's. Why are they different. Just curious.


User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 13832 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 21):
FR is flying only low yield routes with brandnew 737's. Why are they different. Just curious.

The main difference would be that FR has much higher aircraft utilization and, as such, receives a lot more revenue from each bird to cover the additional cost of a newer frame. Additional costs due to fuel and maintenance are amplified with a higher utilization rate since the bird is flying more often, so additional flying essentially lowers the "break even" point for a new aircraft.

However, G4 is a lot less demanding of its aircraft and sees more financial benefit from a cheaper plane than from a newer, more efficient one. As alluded to earlier, this is the same reason NW stuck with its DC-9 frames; it was better economically to run the old owned birds that use slightly more fuel on short stage lengths. They found that the cost to purchase/lease a new frame was more than the cost of extra fuel on a less efficient, old frame.


User currently offlineContinentalFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 13797 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 21):
FR is flying only low yield routes with brandnew 737's. Why are they different. Just curious.

As stated above, volume, volume, volume.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 13665 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 21):
FR is flying only low yield routes with brandnew 737's. Why are they different. Just curious.

Ryanair average fare per passenger is quite a bit more then that of Allegiant($86 vs $67) Ryanair still gets a fair number of business or higher paying flyers. Allegiant is very heavily for leisure holiday vacation passengers. (think UK operators like Monarch, Thomas Cook)

Secondly and the bigger difference is Ryanair flies planes from morning to night. Allegiant operates them much less, matter of fact as I recall they almost have no flights on Tuesday at all. Their utilization is much more tied to vacation package schedules then traditional airline schedules. In the last available quarter (3Q2009) Allegiants aircraft utilization was a mere 6.0hours daily.

Its definitively a different model, but one that is certainly very profitable.



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25 BMI727 : Exactly. A new plane will cost the same whether it is in the air nonstop, or just 6 hours per day. It wouldn't work for Allegiant, because that same
26 Viscount724 : All Ryanair passengers pay the same fare, based on when they book. Like most LCCs they don't have multiple fare categories and booking designators to
27 LAXintl : My point is Ryanair gets suit and ties, which by their nature provide higher revenues as they tend to book peak hour flights, and quite late in. Alle
28 Amsspot : I think it's a shame SAS is getting rid of them. Flew in one of their MD-82s last week and I really enjoyed it. Maybe they are "old" but the one I fle
29 GSPSPOT : I hope this bodes well for GSP getting more NON-Florida destinations. I'm glad they fly to all their Florida cities from GSP, but geez, I wish they'd
30 DLDTW1962 : Look out Caribbean. G4 is on its way. I can see them going into MBJ, CUN, CZM, Saint Martin, Aruba, SJU, NAS. All flying out of MCO or PIE. They have
31 AlexInWa : I thought that was look out Hawaii??? Any news on the 757's and the Hawaii service? Starting LAX service last year seems just right for Hawaii servic
32 Dalmd88 : Most of the componets are interchangable. From the cockpit they would look the same.
33 Kevin752 : I have noticed that G4 does keep their a/c sitting around alot. Whenever I fly in and out of LAS I see quite a few a/c parked by the D concourse. I am
34 BOACCunard : It will be sad to see fewer examples of the rare MD-87 flying around. I have plenty of experience with the MD-81, 82, 83 and 88 but never the 87. Oh w
35 Md80fanatic : Why buy a new type, when this "old" type does so well making a profit? When you can get 18 perfectly good aircraft for $72m US, why in the world would
36 Md80fanatic : Oops, mis-read OP. Still though, aquisition costs dwarf new birds, even with expensive fuel. It's nice that a handsome profit can be made with older p
37 JMackey : Think G4 would do any better on the route than ExpressJet did ? Or was ExpressJet plagued by other issues besides CASM and Load Factor ?
38 SANFan : Dear Allegiant: please, please, please, please [repeat as necessary.] Is that a good enough start? In fact, I figure it's time to start begging for t
39 JMackey : And that would be a challenge for the schedulers for sure. As far as new service from FAT goes, though, I am still hanging on to hope that DL brings
40 CFMitch56 : What do you think G4's fleet will look like in, say 10 years (assuming they keep their same business model)? Would it make sense to old 737NG birds or
41 JMackey : IDK, but I would like to see Saudi Arabian's MD90's come stateside, when they are replaced by new narrow-body Airbus aicraft.
42 Gdg9 : Steer clear of many Northwest/Delta routes out of MSP/DTW then!
43 Gdg9 : I thought Delta was buying a slew of these... in addition to China Eastern's MD-90s. I'm sure I've read threads on that, just too tired now to search
44 Irobertson : Provided they still exist, I think you could see one of two things - either acquisition of Click or Qantas' 717s, or EasyJet Airbuses. Total shot in t
45 MMEPHX : I keep reading this quote and still can't figure the logic behind it. if I wanted to be irrational and illogical I'd be keeping away from brand new 7
46 BMI727 : Those probably do not have enough range to operate some of the longer flights from LAS.
47 FX1816 : Hey I didn't say that, I was just referencing it from another person. FX1816
48 TSS : That's the beauty of fully-owned and cheaply acquired aircraft: Since they're already paid for in full when they enter the G4 fleet, all it costs for
49 OyKIE : SAS has retrofitted the interior and bins on all their MD-80 airplanes, so they are similar to the bins introduced to the MD-90 as well as the 717. N
50 BrouAviation : So, it seems we can't compare G4 to FR. What can we actually compare them with? Tuifly? Monarch? Just to get an idea, I have never flown G4. Well, KL,
51 Peanuts : In this day and age, anyone can easily express themselves. Anyone can also make themselves look like a fool more easily... These birds are beautiful
52 BMI727 : Those are somewhat similar, but to be honest, Allegiant is one of the truly unique airlines out there and nobody has really replicated them. Perhaps
53 Paulcaz : I think I read somewhere that the Saudia MDs had different cockpits so would not be used anywhere else?
54 OyKIE : The cockpit are similar to the 717. So in theory it might fit better with mixing crew that flies both the 717 as well as Saudia MD-90? Or some day DL
55 GSPSPOT : And this is the main reason I see for G4 to add a new type to their fleet - range.
56 Airbazar : Have you ever looked at the financial situation of US carriers? You don't see a correlation? Threre's too much short-sightedness in US business and t
57 Tobseren : It is kind of sad they are going Will there still be any MD-80's left in the SK fleet or is this the rest? I always thought that the MD-80's were the
58 02hilliert : There is no way that LAS can or MCO can claim to be the Low Cost Capital of the World. Given the power of LCCs in Europe, there is no doubt that ther
59 Someone83 : They will still have 24 MD-80s left in their fleet
60 Solnabo : Last time I read the SAS news 24 is the whole fleet of MD-80s, so there´s 6 to go...
61 Someone83 : That's wrong and if you read the press release from SAS regarding the sale, it says:
62 Affirmative : Great move by SAS! Will most likely help them with cash flow this year and boost the finances. Hope they can find a way to off load the rest of the MD
63 STT757 : Trenton Mercer Airport (TTN) would fit Allegiant's network perfectly, flights to Tampa, Orlando, Fort Lauderdale.
64 Someone83 : SAS has cut their production quit significant this year and thus are having some spare capacity. This combined with a few new 737NGs and some CRJ-900
65 Post contains links OyKIE : According to ATW Online they are the built between 1985 and 1991. http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=18937 Also of interest is this art
66 TWA1985 : Any expansion plans for RFD?
67 KcrwFlyer : You might as well quit flying. You probably have and didnt know it. Your list is missing AirTran but aside from that....pretty much.
68 Someone83 : AFAIK, they received 1 737-800 (LN-RRJ) and 1 737-700 (LN-RNU) during 2009, with another -700 (LN-RNW) to arrive in January[Edited 2010-01-05 15:33:0
69 Sflaflight : Yes, I think SAS could have easily replicated NW in Europe by keeping those Mad Dogs flying. Relatively same geography, weather, etc.. I don't have s
70 OyKIE : Thanks for the update. Do you know if SAS are taking any more? IIRC they have som optiones left?
71 Someone83 : I don't think they any more on order after LN-RNW i delievered.
72 JBirdAV8r : Well with all due respect Allegiant must be pleasing someone as they are one of the only airlines in the United States turning a legitimate profit. A
73 Post contains links Affirmative : According to http://www.sasflightops.com/fleet/md_registration.html the latest was delivered in June 1992. And also converted from MD-81 to MD-82 dur
74 Larshjort : THe MD-80 sold is primarily aircraft already parked, and they plan on flying the MD's until 2018 so theres still a few years left. /Lars
75 American 767 : American and Delta still have a lot of MD-80's left, especially American. I'm sure they both plan to fly the MD's till at least 2015. I believe Alita
76 Larshjort : They got rid of those several years ago, they were sold/leased to blue1 /Lars
77 Someone83 : However Blue1 = SAS as it's a 100% owned subsidiary. 5 of the MD-90s are with Blue1, while the 3 remaining are with Hello
78 JU068 : What is the longest flght of SAS's CRJs?
79 BrianDromey : I think some of the Hello birds went to DL? Brian.
80 GSPSPOT : Not only that, but it's about the only mainline single-aisle a/c that two people travelling together can sit together in by themselves, which is a BI
81 Affirmative : In my frequent travels between GOT and ARN I flew the SK MDs quite a lot and I really prefer them to the 737-6/7/8 that flies the route. The 6.40am f
82 GSPSPOT : Cool stuff (if a little OT) Thanks for sharing!
83 YNGguins : I hope this eventually means more flights out of Youngstown-Warren!
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