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Thai To Get Rid Of Flight Attendants Over 45?  
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3701 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12096 times:

THAI seeking a younger image

Older attendants get generous exit offer

Passengers of Thai Airways International (THAI) can expect to be served by younger female flight attendants as senior staff take up an unprecedented voluntary resignation package.

The scheme is the first so-called "mutual separation plan" - or MSP - to be launched by THAI in its 50-year history and exclusively targets female flight attendants aged 45 and over.

The initiative, which has been backed by the airline's union, is part of the management's bid to rejuvenate THAI's brand image and save costs, while giving senior crew the chance to stay on or leave the firm, said THAI executives.

To avoid allegations of sex and age discrimination, THAI plans to make voluntary retirement highly appealing, with flight attendants who have served for 15 years being offered a lump-sum of up to 30 times their monthly salary.

THAI president Piyasvasti Amranand said the MSP would help the airline trim operating costs. Older THAI cabin attendants earn about 100,000 baht a month, while younger colleagues get about 30,000 baht.


Read more here in English:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/...30484/thai-seeking-a-younger-image

In Norwegian

http://www.aftenposten.no/reise/nyheter/article3449958.ece

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21416 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 11961 times:

Bravo.

I say this for many reasons, none of them having to do with age per se. But the older FAs on every airline I have been on seem to be tired of their job, resent pax, and move slower. Not all FAs, but most. The ones who would jump at this package, at least.

Then there's the issue of FAs being there "for our safety" and there is no way a 50 year old FA is going to be more valuable to the aircraft in an emergency than a 30 year old.

Then there's the matter of pay, where at most airlines, the longer you've been there, the more you get paid, meaning lower pay for younger FAs to balance it out, higher fares for pax for no perceived added value, higher health care costs for the airline, higher overall labor costs during furloughs because the oldest and most expensive stay on, and/or losses for the airline due to the higher cost of carrying a 50 year old FA who hates their job and doesn't perform it well.



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User currently offlineATTart From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 11874 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):

Wow, Longan's Run or MTV mentality!!! My Lifeclock is blinking and turned red, it is time for me to retire or quit.

[Edited 2010-01-05 10:08:40]

[Edited 2010-01-05 10:29:10]


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User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 11715 times:

Hi all

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Bravo.

I say this for many reasons, none of them having to do with age per se. But the older FAs on every airline I have been on seem to be tired of their job, resent pax, and move slower. Not all FAs, but most. The ones who would jump at this package, at least.

Then there's the issue of FAs being there "for our safety" and there is no way a 50 year old FA is going to be more valuable to the aircraft in an emergency than a 30 year old.

Then there's the matter of pay, where at most airlines, the longer you've been there, the more you get paid, meaning lower pay for younger FAs to balance it out, higher fares for pax for no perceived added value, higher health care costs for the airline, higher overall labor costs during furloughs because the oldest and most expensive stay on, and/or losses for the airline due to the higher cost of carrying a 50 year old FA who hates their job and doesn't perform it well.

What can I say. I hope when your boss finds you're getting old he fires you so he can have a younger less paid employee with fast legs.  eyepopping  Some of these workers have given their airline their best years. I would suggest he fires himself and lets young blood into management with new ideas.



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User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 11715 times:

Good; if only US cariers could to this; not only would they save on costs by geting rid of costly senior employees, but they'd get better looking F/A's and boy could they use them. Not to mention older F/A's are usually surely and rude and hate their jobs (in my experience). A younger crowd would be more enthusistic and go a long distance in helping customer service perceptions. I doubt this is why SQ is doing it. It seems to me SQ flies mostly males (as with most of the passengers in the world) you cant blame them for wanting more eye candy on a flight Big grin Unfortunately we have to deal with Age discrimination crap in the U.S.

Personally id like to see younger hotter F/A in the US, but thats for purely selfish reasons Big grin

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Then there's the issue of FAs being there "for our safety" and there is no way a 50 year old FA is going to be more valuable to the aircraft in an emergency than a 30 year old.

Agreed. Though i personally think that whole "here for your safety" crap is just to make the F/A's not feel like they are inflight waitresses (which is what i think they are) after all how much good will a F/A do if the plane crashes...not much id think.


User currently offlineATTart From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 11680 times:

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 4):
Agreed. Though i personally think that whole "here for your safety" crap is just to make the F/A's not feel like they are inflight waitresses (which is what i think they are) after all how much good will a F/A do if the plane crashes...not much id think.

Oh really, I would like to see a waiter or waitresses pull your a@@ out of a burning restaurant.
Here are just some examples of FAs doing their job. The Air France Crash in 2005 Toronto, the USair Flight Hudson River and the the FAs on the NWA Flight Christmas Day. Oh yea my three friends on the UA flights 9/11 that died doing their jobs.

[Edited 2010-01-05 11:48:41]

[Edited 2010-01-05 11:50:53]


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User currently offlineStarguy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11600 times:



Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 4):
Though i personally think that whole "here for your safety" crap is just to make the F/A's not feel like they are inflight waitresses (which is what i think they are) after all how much good will a F/A do if the plane crashes...not much id think.

What an ignorant thing to say. I don't know any restaurants that train their waitresses how to perform CPR on a customer who had suffered a massive heart attack, or on a baby who has stopped breathing, let alone insist that they retake their exams every year just to be able to keep their jobs.

Sure, it's not rocket science, but god forbid you ever suffer a heart attack while on a flight, if you do, I can guarantee that your view of these inflight waitresses will change when they potentially save the life of either yourself, or your loved one.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21416 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11473 times:



Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 3):
What can I say. I hope when your boss finds you're getting old he fires you so he can have a younger less paid employee with fast legs.

If I wasn't performing my job as well, I'd expect it.

Not to mention that most people go through multiple careers in their lifetime. Why should an F/A expect to be applauded for spending 45 years at a job they stopped liking 30 years ago?

Please, please, please show me any evidence that a 45+ year old FA does a better job and is worth the extra pay compared to a 30 year old? You can't because most don't. Most do a worse job, and get rewarded with higher pay and job security. It's a backward system, not one I think should be applauded.

There are some GREAT older FAs I've had over the years, and they deserve to stay on and be paid. A merit based system would allow this (and there is no indication that Thai would summarily dismiss high value older F/As). Most of the "older elite" are international FAs who are running their cabin and keep everything running smoothly, or are purser and run the ship, and still love their job and remember why they started flying in the first place.

But I'm talking about the angry, frumpy, should have found something else to do with their lives people that populate USA carriers on domestic runs, keeping young, enthusiastic people from even getting a job. My holiday flying on DL/NW was chock full of these winners. Some surly or apathetic, some providing ridiculously slow cabin service, some simply forgetting to do things their job requires of them, some giving the wrong jacket or wrong drinks to customers, etc., etc.

My take is: if you'd rather be somewhere else, then by all means, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, and stop making the flying experience such a chore...



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User currently offlineATTart From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11449 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
My take is: if you'd rather be somewhere else, then by all means, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, and stop making the flying experience such a chore...

That I can agree on!! But that can be said for all worker in all work places. Also at the same time, there has to be work out there for them to go to.



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User currently offlineLuvfa From United States of America, joined May 2005, 439 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11388 times:

So its all about attitude or is it looks? At my carrier, some of the best FA's we have are our 30+ year DAL based crews, (some have been here since day 1). They are fun and energetic and still work that hectic Texas-two-step. On overnights they are fun to hang out with and if you've been on one of their flights, I'm sure it was typical Southwest fun. They are also anywhere from 50-60 years old but look and act like they are in their 30's.

On the other hand, I have worked with some young new-hires who lack the maturity and work ethic that some of our older FA's have shown. I have also witnessed younger FA's "flip out" on passengers just as much or more than our older, more mature FA's do. Don't get me started on comparing the two during Medical Emergencies and IROPs.

The point is, its a matter of who can do the job, not the age. The age is simple "window dressing"

BTW- The few carriers that are hiring here in the US, are hiring more seasoned me and women to be FA's. They like their better work ethic, maturity and experience when dealing with the public. Many I have worked with: are retired teacher's, nurses, Police officers, Fire-fighters, military etc. Some have even owned their own businesses at one time, knowing full well about
accountability and serving their customers.


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11341 times:



Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 4):
It seems to me SQ flies mostly males (as with most of the passengers in the world) you cant blame them for wanting more eye candy on a flight Big grin Unfortunately we have to deal with Age discrimination crap in the U.S.

News Flash: Many of us males just want to get to our destination! We have lives!

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 4):
Personally id like to see younger hotter F/A in the US, but thats for purely selfish reasons Big grin

My advice: Join a health club  Smile


User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11217 times:



Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 13):
News Flash: Many of us males just want to get to our destination! We have lives!

Many people in the 60's and 70's also just wanted to get to their destination; didnt stop the airlines from only hiring hot young women; can a guy be blamed for wanting the flight attendents to look decent and not like they have one foot in the grave? The Asian carriers dont seem to think theres anything wrong with hiring only good looking F/A's: yet another reason besides poor inflight service, and mean hatful staff, that i always try to choose an Asian carrier to Asia; even if it means not getting FF miles or apaying a bit more. At least theres something nice to look at Big grin So im happy SQ is doing this.


User currently onlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2216 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10535 times:

I understand the measure given the regional climate but, often the older workers may be more dedicated, more detailed, more loyal to the brand and service nuances, etc. Maybe TG should look at also putting older FA's on promotion tracks that lead to say being a purser, cabin service director, lead FA, FA trainer...

30 months lump sum severance is very nice though.



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8202 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10483 times:

Some of you are just being mean. Believe it or not, plenty of 50 year old ladies are better looking than plenty of 30 year olds. Thai is making a decision for their own business here, but there is no need for some of these negative comments.

Some of us dwell on FA conduct and appearance way too much. Personally I never had a problem. Having done more flying than most people.


User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1217 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10332 times:

Hey cool down this one a little bit, opinions are opinions and should be respected even if you don't agree with them.

If TG wants to reduce their costs by giving everyone over the age of 45 a early redundancy package that is a fair move on their part.

The fact that a lot of their competition enjoys to hire people on time limited contracts with detailed specifics for looks, beauty and behaviour for the same job ensuring that their flying staff remains young and attractive (clauses in the contract about clothes, make-up and weight etc etc is what i am referring to) might also influence their decision but at the moment we dont know that.
What we do know is that TG is doing this primarily to reduce costs.
TG is otherwise not the typical SE Asian carrier in terms of age on its crew, they tend to have more older crew compared to MH, SQ etc. And of course compared to competition from the gulf carriers.

Its the eternal discussion about the profession being a lifelong career or a profession you do when your young and beautiful. Opinions seem to be set about this already and there is little point in doing another round about it.



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User currently offlineThirtyEcho From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 1639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10183 times:

I flew on a flight recently with an all-female flight deck. We should have nothing but hotties up front, retire them at 45 and replace them with 18 year-old cheerleaders who are Miss Teen America contestants.

Stupid is as stupid does.


User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2784 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10143 times:



Quoting ThirtyEcho (Reply 45):
I flew on a flight recently with an all-female flight deck. We should have nothing but hotties up front, retire them at 45 and replace them with 18 year-old cheerleaders who are Miss Teen America contestants.

It doesn't have to be that extreme. There can still be some 20 - 30 year olds who have tons of experience. It's not like we will replace them all with the blond chick clones who know nothing.


User currently offlineTennis69 From Qatar, joined Apr 2007, 392 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10091 times:
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Employement at any company is conditional on the fact that the employee meets the requirements set out by the employer. If your employer makes age limits on your job then you have two choices; comply or seek employment elsewhere.

User currently offlinePBIflyguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9808 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Then there's the issue of FAs being there "for our safety" and there is no way a 50 year old FA is going to be more valuable to the aircraft in an emergency than a 30 year old.

WOW! Still processing this one...... Think of it this way. It's all about maintennance.

One 757 enters service and is meticulously maintained and one enters service and is NOT. Which one would you rather fly on 20 years later? Age is not an issue here, it is about physical condition.

( Now granted I'm male) but I am 48 years old, workout 4-5 times a week and am in excellent physical condition. I have been flying for 26 years and I have been trained and trained and trained. Are you trying to say that if I ( or a female FA) tried to assist you out of the cabin in an emergency you would refuse our help? Not only could I get you to an exit, but I could probably toss you out head first if I wanted to. I also know a few females that could probably do the same. Some chippy who weighs 105 pounds and has 3 or 4 years experience might not react in the same manner.

Thai's decision is about marketing and it is sexist, but they aren't trying to hide that fact. I do not think they are considering safety or the ability to operate in an emergency.

If that were the case, what is next? nobody over 45 years of age can sit in an exit row because a 30 year old pax could open an exit and assist the crew better?

I will give you the point that there are some FA's ( male and female ) who could use a few visits to the gym... but I think your statement is a bit over generalized.......


User currently offlineQantas777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9657 times:

Thank goodness. I say this because this is a service job that one of the criteria should be based on age. God forbid we do this in the USA, we would not want to offend.

This is a service job that should be based on many factors and age is def. one of them. Kick em out when they hit 40 I say.


User currently offlineTootallsd From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9227 times:
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Quoting Qantas777 (Reply 49):
Thank goodness. I say this because this is a service job that one of the criteria should be based on age. God forbid we do this in the USA, we would not want to offend.

This is a service job that should be based on many factors and age is def. one of them. Kick em out when they hit 40 I say.

This is the crux of the discussion. If FA is a service job only then a best by date that expires at age 35 may be appropriate. But I guess then we also need to make sure the crew is all female and be sure to exclude men, particularly fey men!

The alternative view, an official position of the FAA for example, is that this is a safety position. In that case, my feeling is that an older experience crew member is more likely to be able to respond to any situation with the grace and skill gleaned by having been through the situation before. Could be a choking situation, heart attack, anxiety, with recalcitrant IFE system etc. In the case of a catastrophic situation, I value their skills and experience.

I have nearly 3 million American miles, over a million on Delta and 500K on United plus dozens of Southwest segments. I have seen lazy young and old FAs. I've been treated poorly by young and old. I really don't see much correlation between age and service level.


User currently offlinePeteinmiami From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9108 times:

I just have one thing to say, hopefully they will be one day in the 40' s and in the 50's too!! Brace yourself, life is tough, I could use another word here!!!

User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1581 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8858 times:



Quoting Tennis69 (Reply 47):
If your employer makes age limits on your job then you have two choices; comply or seek employment elsewhere.

It depends if it's legal in your country
In the EU it is not legal anymore except with justified obvious physical fitness reasons (= active Police, Firesquad, Militaries etc) and FA don't match with these reasons.
Because a FA "looks tired" and "moves slowly" is no reason to kick them all after 45!

Quoting Tootallsd (Reply 51):
I have nearly 3 million American miles, over a million on Delta and 500K on United plus dozens of Southwest segments. I have seen lazy young and old FAs. I've been treated poorly by young and old. I really don't see much correlation between age and service level.

I agree with you
I'm nearly flying every week AF intra EU and often long haul: there are dozens of "old" female FA very good looking, smiling and happy with their jobs, either female or male by the way...some are grumpy but so are younger ones!!!!!!!!

I believe this obsession about younger female attendant is a shortsighted MTV like reaction where only good looks and being "cool" is important



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User currently offlineB767300ER From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8784 times:
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Age should never be a determining factor for a F/A or any position. Job performance should
be the determining factor for retaining ones position. Being a F/A is not a beauty contest.
Tell the passengers aboard AA flight 331 that their F/A were too old after seeing that all the
passengers were safely off loaded when the aircraft split in three pieces on landing.


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1581 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8724 times:



Quoting B767300ER (Reply 54):
Age should never be a determining factor for a F/A or any position. Job performance should
be the determining factor for retaining ones position. Being a F/A is not a beauty contest.
Tell the passengers aboard AA flight 331 that their F/A were too old after seeing that all the
passengers were safely off loaded when the aircraft split in three pieces on landing.

I can't agree more
You don't buy a plane ticket to have eye candy smiling to you and staring at you in the eyes with a plundging view (= next requirement to be an FA maybe?)
This fashion comes from some airlines and favor a male view on society verging on sexist and discriminating.
Why not ban male FA because they annoy male businessmen wanting to be served by pinups?



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25 NIKV69 : Yea those laws are such a paing aren't they? Not all FAs over 45 are as bad as you say. If this was this country Thai would never get away with this
26 L1011Lover : Exactly!!! Well said! Or tell the passengers on US1549. All three F/A's were in their 50's!
27 Zvezda : The idea that a more experienced FA should earn more than three times what a less experienced FA earns makes no sense to me. They don't do three times
28 L1011Lover : But they've dedicated three times more of their lives to the company! That means they've done three times more work over the years! Period! The more
29 L1011Lover : And comments like that show how the world has changed for the bad... Employees are no longer treated fairly and looked at as an asset... they're only
30 Luvfa : [e] That was the point I was implying on my previous post, but you said it so well. However I am not implying that all younger FA's have a poor work
31 ThegreatRDU : Solid move by Thai...they want to look younger like their main competitors
32 1stfl94 : You have to remember who Thai's biggest competitors are. This is pretty standard policy at most Asian airlines and it will save them a ton of money by
33 SA7700 : A lot of posts had to be deleted from this thread, due to various forum rules violations. Kindly stick to the topic at hand or this thread will be loc
34 Post contains images L1011Lover : No job should be based on age. Age is definitely NOT a factor when it comes to jobs. As long as someone is mentally and physically fit enough to perf
35 Mariner : Or you could just buy a Playboy magazine if you are having so much trouble finding the real thing. mariner
36 JRDC930 : But why, if airlines like TG are willing to replace the older surley FA's with nicer looking younger equally competent FA's. It seems like people her
37 Mariner : I can't answer for Thai - except to say that I find the practice sexist and offensive on Singapore Airlines - but I haven't found all older women "su
38 ASFlyer : I don't think it's a matter of equating young and good looking FA's with incompetence. It's more a case of people here not necessarily agreeing with
39 Ryanair!!! : Tsk tsk tsk... Why can't you people in the western world just accept that things are done a little differently here in Asia before labelling us like
40 LesMainwaring : Imagine how much sharper (and cheaper) a younger, less experienced cockpit crew would be. No reason to stop with the flight attendants, is it?
41 Mariner : I do accept that. And I still find it sexist and offensive. What I mostly dislike is the commercial sexing up of the culture. I worked in Langkawi wh
42 AirStairs : I have wondered recently, aside from sexist or ageist concerns (I don't hold any), if US carriers could reasonably adopt a policy similar to this or o
43 ThegreatRDU : Honestly, plenty of companies offer severance packages and incentives....and what's wrong with trying to have a more youthful appearance? That's why
44 ASFlyer : . Says the teenager.
45 ThegreatRDU : Stay classy...if you take some words written down in a forum to heart that's your problem....
46 AirStairs : I am fine with having a perfectly charming, professional FA whether he or she is 30 or 60, male or female (or anything in between). I don't need "hot
47 Kevi747 : What, on earth, does that have to do with anything? (This should be good. )
48 Post contains links Viscount724 : Should also keep in mind that average life expectancy in Thailand is about 10 to 13 years less than in most western countries and several other Asian
49 Mariner : That's fair, but according to the link you provided, Thai women live longer than Thai men. So why are male f/a's excluded from the new 45 plus concep
50 M11Stephen : Yeah since it was a miracle that the F/As on AF358, TWA843, CO1404, US1549, NW253, (I'm going to bed soon, I don't have enough time to write down all
51 JRDC930 : i dont get it? Well i suppose it really is a matter of opinion; perhaps i should not generalize; however BASED ON MY experience this has been the cas
52 Post contains links Lawair : " target=_blank>http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demograph...h.htm This is actually an interesting point to bring up, but I don't think it's quite relevant
53 Varig md-11 : Look, I like SQ and TG a lot and I find them really great airlines and very nice people to work with at CDG station. But without willing to impose an
54 777236ER : What archaic, discriminatory views on this thread! A civilised society shouldn't allow employers to discriminate on age. How about discriminating on o
55 Pellegrine : We are in complete agreement, if many of the staff improved their dress appearance and service mannerisms, they would be unbeatable. Unfortunately wi
56 Ohsopc : As a Thai and a frequent traveler on TG, I'd like to say that many of these senior FAs are actually pretty good. Although they may be older and not as
57 Brilondon : I agree with you. I think that this has struck a nerve with you. I don't see any problem with what is being done if it is voluntary, but to force a p
58 1stfl94 : Another thing to remember is that in Asia, a Flight Attendant is considered a more prestigous job that in Europe and especially North America which me
59 JRDC930 : Did it ever occur to anyone here; that if for some reason such a program were allowed in North America, with as good of a package offered as this that
60 Mariner : Then make it available to the men as well. Just as you seem to want hot young chicks in uniform, there is a percentage of the traveling public that w
61 M11Stephen : The US also has a much better safety record than Asia... The F/As on CO1404, US1549, NW253 all performed extremely well. These could have easily been
62 Aviasian : The operative word in this latest move by Thai Airways International is "reducing cost" and taking out higher paid long-serving cabin attendants becau
63 JRDC930 : Maybe older flight attendants are only rude when working for U.S. legacies; it seems that they arent quite as nasty in more friendly and service orien
64 1stfl94 : Tell that to the family of the FA who went back into the burning wreckage to rescue passengers and lost her own life in the process. Asian carriers p
65 L1011Lover : Sorry, but I highly disagree. That's such a common but misleading generalisation. And especially in regard of safety not true. I'm not saying Asian F
66 M11Stephen : Thank you for sharing this with us. I'm glad to hear what an actual, experienced F/A has to say about this subject. I thank you for taking the time t
67 Mariner : I hope this is based on an official survey, because I find it extraordinary set of generalizations. How do you know this? I have seen Asian (female)
68 JRDC930 : Youd be one of the few i think who would see it that way. I cant have a conversation with MOST U.S. FA's; its like dealing with some one at a governm
69 Ryanair!!! : I am struggling to contain my anger at this. It is so easy to generalise what happened when you weren't really there. Regarding SQ006, I lost one col
70 Lawair : My guess on this is that people come off sounding robotic because they're not speaking their native languages. I don't know about SQ FA's, but based
71 Post contains links L1011Lover : That's actually what I wanted to suggest a while ago. If you hate the US carriers so much, then please don't fly them. In your own interest and for y
72 JU068 : Asian or not, the best f/a are by far on Lufthansa and British Airways. With Lufthansa they tend to be a bit colder at times but once you are nice to
73 Elite : The hierarchy situation you described is true, because I have heard it from many people who had had experience in this area. However, I believe it is
74 JRDC930 : I have treated them with respct and quite often been disapointed. Yes, but just because it is my country doesnt mean i cant criticize it. Ill emphasi
75 L1011Lover : Criticizing is one thing. But you are not only criticizing. You seem to be frustrated, you've said nasty things, you're saying things that are simply
76 JRDC930 : I dont believe i have; at least not on the posts still left on this thread; i simply have eexpresed the way i feel, and i have not i dont think direc
77 Mariner : If that were true, they would be applying it to the male f/a's as well. mariner
78 IndyWA : I don't even know where to begin with this....go to Hooter's if you want to look at women, go to a strip club, go to a gym! So everyone in the servic
79 JRDC930 : I can dream cant i? You disagree, fine, but im not going to give up my desires because they arent Politicaly correct. Besides, just because i WANT it
80 M11Stephen : I am so sorry for your loss. An F/A being a trainee isn't an excuse though. Being a trainee isn't an excuse. If they can't properly perform their dut
81 777236ER : Says it all really. You seem to be one of those bizarre little men who like to oggle young girls when flying. Society shouldn't pander to people who
82 JRDC930 : whats wrong wuith this attitude? if its not against the law its not illegal yes; and they can do so WITHOUT degrading then passenger; i suppose FA in
83 Cws818 : It is beyond rude.
84 Kevi747 : Gee, I wonder why some flight attendants have been rude to you. Here's a little hint: Try dropping the arrogant, sexist attitude and you might find t
85 MadameConcorde : I really don't see why TG would get rid of FAs aged over 45 if they are fit for the job. There are FAs on Singapore Airlines much older than that. I h
86 Kaiarahi : More customer-service oriented does not mean an entire culture is "more friendly". Then, based on your posts, you will need to spend a lot of time up
87 Kaiarahi : It's a voluntary buyout, with generous conditions. Very different from "getting rid of".
88 Pellegrine : I hope not Mme Concorde. Give me some hope for the future!
89 Elite : So it appears that Thai is not getting rid of them, but merely offering lots of incentives for them to retire after the age of 45. That's very differe
90 Varig md-11 : Again that might be cultural differences but "2-3 years salary and out" is not considered over here as "lots of incentives"... And also about ageism
91 Lawair : Doesn't matter how appealing the package is. The FA's have a choice about whether they want to take it or not. They can still stay on the job until 6
92 L1011Lover : Sorry to say, but that statement says it all! It IS wrong, and it IS a BAD attitude. Would you like to be talked to like that? Never do something to
93 Kaiarahi : Certainly not a management job at SQ, who are as demanding about the professionalism of their managers as they are of their FAs and front-line staff.
94 M11Stephen : Like I said before, I board my flights with a great attitude and have never encountered a rude, surly, or mean F/A on a US carrier. In fact, the vast
95 JRDC930 : Look; if your so perfect, i assume you never have typos do you? This is an internet blog; not a thesis; i use the spell check but im not going to wor
96 777236ER : Now you're just descending into bizarre sexist ranting. You're humiliating yourself.
97 JRDC930 : No, im just responding to L1011Lover's claims. I really dont care; im not chaning my opinion because YOU consider it to be humiliating to myself.
98 Airtechy : If you read the classified section of the Bangkok Post any day, you will find help wanted ads that have very specific age requirements....usually 25 a
99 M11Stephen : The salaries for my local Police Officers come from my taxes yet I know not to have an attitude with them or else I'll end up in a jail cell.
100 Solair : That would quite simply be totally illegal here. The employer would end up being fined and paying massive compensation to the employees for age-discri
101 Pellegrine : In the Jim Crow southern US pre-1965 "that's the way it was". It took decades to change and finally a presidential/congressional intervention. There
102 Westjet!Eh! : Hahahahah! this is the funniest comments I've ever seen!! I don't see anything wrong with old flight attendants as long as they are healthy and strong
103 TreeHillRavens : At least they are given a good severance package. Besides, it is not that all of them must leave as soon as they reach 45. They have the choice whethe
104 Srbmod : Since this warning was not heeded, and to delete all of the posts that violate the Forum Rules and any posts that reference them would gut the thread
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