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FedEx 77L On PVG-MEM  
User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5821 times:

I noticed on FlightAware that FedEx 92 operated PVG-MEM yesterday with 77L equipment, 12:57 in duration and arriving just after midnight into Memphis. It appears the 777 has been doing PVG-ANC-MEM since December but that's first entry I can see for nonstop PVG-MEM - although perhaps it's operated before with a different flight number. At any rate, an interesting route for a great new airplane for FedEx.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/F...2/history/20100104/1753Z/ZSPD/KMEM

Looks like FedEx is beginning to use these things in anger at last, as MEM-NRT went out this morning with a 777.

[Edited 2010-01-05 09:39:56]

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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5997 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5801 times:

12:57 That sounds like some good tail winds. UA #850 PEK-ORD is scheduled at 12:57 and I'd think that they follow a similar flight plan from Beijing to Chicago.

[Edited 2010-01-05 09:41:32]

[Edited 2010-01-05 09:42:09]


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21416 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5763 times:

The point is to be able to go 5000nm with full payload, right? That sounds like a bit further than that, but FedEx has low density, so maybe it was an extra low density shipment.


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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4611 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5626 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
The point is to be able to go 5000nm with full payload, right? That sounds like a bit further than that, but FedEx has low density, so maybe it was an extra low density shipment.

In reply 23 of the link below I estimated that Fedex could carry about 75t by volume non-stop CAN-MEM an ESAD of about 6800nm.
Subsequently in another thread that I can't immediately link, Fedex were quoted as saying that the capacity for this route was 171K pounds which is ~ 77t.
By my book this is an ideal match of capacity , payload and sector length.
I wonder if the flight plan is on Flight Aware ; 12-hrs +- for usual 14 hr flight suggests high tail winds and a less than usual TOW assuming all space was filled.

FedEx 777F - What Routes? (by Jawed Nov 16 2009 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4610334&searchid=4611260&s=SunriseValley#ID4611260


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29680 posts, RR: 84
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5601 times:
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Didn't FX buy the 77F specifically to fly non-stop from China to their MEM/IND hubs? I was under the impression the ANC stopover was for crew familiarization reasons.

User currently offlineRonaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5512 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
I was under the impression the ANC stopover was for crew familiarization reasons.

That's right. Nonstop-flights between MEM/IND-CAN/PVG etc. will be a common sight from now.


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4611 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5490 times:



Quoting JohnJ (Thread starter):
I noticed on FlightAware that FedEx 92 operated PVG-MEM yesterday with 77L equipment

I see FedEx 90, a 77F is presently en route PVG-MEM. Todays time will be a little over 13-hrs. The flight plan shows the max latitude at ~ 35N . Average ground speed at 496K some 10K less than yesterday..


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21416 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5265 times:



Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 5):
That's right. Nonstop-flights between MEM/IND-CAN/PVG etc. will be a common sight from now.

I think nonstop from China will be common, but it will still be one-stop heading west due to winds. And Fedex has the luxury of stopping eastbound if needed, if they decide to contract a heavier load on any given day.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29680 posts, RR: 84
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5154 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
I think nonstop from China will be common, but it will still be one-stop heading west due to winds.

I wonder how heavily-loaded FX's birds will be westbound? They might be able to make it non-stop.


User currently offline413X3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5143 times:

Most of the cargo is coming from Asia, thanks to the trade imbalance not a lot going out of the states

User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1208 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5058 times:

The 77F can go for 10.5 hours at MZFW, which equates to a payload around 106.5 tons. With 75 tons payload, max. endurance is in the 14-15 hour bracket.

She's a beast!



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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4611 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4693 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
I wonder how heavily-loaded FX's birds will be westbound? They might be able to make it non-stop.

Assuming an ESAD of about 7000nm MEM-PVG and a load density of 150kg/cu.m and space use efficiency of ~ .8 the payload will be ~ 73t. You would wonder if it would be worth a stop over in ANC to top up with 4t of payload to achieve a max. volume load.
Of course if a load was more dense than the average then other options are possible. It would be helpful to find a westbound flight plan MEM-PVG and see what it shows.


User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4254 times:



Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 11):
Of course if a load was more dense than the average then other options are possible. It would be helpful to find a westbound flight plan MEM-PVG and see what it shows.

I've been watching FlightAware for a few days now and have seen no MEM-PVG flights. What I am seeing is MEM-NRT, then PVG-MEM. I wonder if there's a NRT-PVG leg being tacked on that's not visible on FlightAware.

Looks like they also are getting daily turn in on MEM-IND with the 77L.


User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4130 times:



Quoting JohnJ (Reply 12):
What I am seeing is MEM-NRT, then PVG-MEM. I wonder if there's a NRT-PVG leg being tacked on that's not visible on FlightAware.

FA is faulty and unreliable to track FX 77L's. Currently FX 015 heavy NRT-PVG is a scheduled MD11F. They are subing the 77L's currently in between NRT, PVG, & PEK for Check Flights.

FX 049 MEM-NRT is coded MD11F and subbed 77L for proving and check flights.



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User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7127 posts, RR: 87
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4084 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Didn't FX buy the 77F specifically to fly non-stop from China to their MEM/IND hubs?

 checkmark 

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
I was under the impression the ANC stopover was for crew familiarization reasons.

 checkmark 

Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 13):
Currently FX 015 heavy NRT-PVG is a scheduled MD11F. They are subing the 77L's currently in between NRT, PVG, & PEK for Check Flights.

 checkmark 

Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 13):

FX 049 MEM-NRT is coded MD11F and subbed 77L for proving and check flights.

 checkmark 

CAN and HKG aren't in the circle of training right now, but will see revenue flight.


User currently offlineFX772LRF From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 675 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3829 times:



Quoting JohnJ (Reply 12):
Looks like they also are getting daily turn in on MEM-IND with the 77L.

Is there a training purpose behind these flights? An MD-11F is completely capable of doing it, and I don't see how the 77L has any more cargo space than the MD-11.

Also, I looked around on flightaware, and couldn't find any evidence. Has the 77L been scheduled from IND to CAN/PVG or anywhere else? It seems like it's only going to MEM from IND.

-Noah  wave 



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User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2254 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3794 times:



Quoting FX772LRF (Reply 15):
Is there a training purpose behind these flights?

Fellows settle down a little. I'm not flying the 777 but a couple of buddies are. There's a WHOLE bunch of crews that are being checked out. Every flight is IOE for someone. Yes it's going to CAN. ANC was the first of the inaug trips. It's proving to be all that was expected. I wouldn't put much trust in FA. Eg. an MD-10 will be shown as a DC-10.


User currently offline413x3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

isn't MD/DC not separated only because the FAA doesn't consider them different types? Otherwise FA is pretty accurate

User currently offlineFX772LRF From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 675 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3746 times:



Quoting CosmicCruiser (Reply 16):
Fellows settle down a little. I'm not flying the 777 but a couple of buddies are. There's a WHOLE bunch of crews that are being checked out. Every flight is IOE for someone. Yes it's going to CAN. ANC was the first of the inaug trips. It's proving to be all that was expected. I wouldn't put much trust in FA. Eg. an MD-10 will be shown as a DC-10.

Ah, okay. Do these training flights carry cargo? I'd assume that they would because it's another place to make revenue.

Also, how many 77L's does FX currently have? I thought it was two, but I'm not completely sure.

And what does IOE mean?

-Noah  wave 



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User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3606 times:



Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 13):
FA is faulty and unreliable to track FX 77L's. Currently FX 015 heavy NRT-PVG is a scheduled MD11F. They are subing the 77L's currently in between NRT, PVG, & PEK for Check Flights.

Can you elaborate on this? I use FlightAware frequently and am well aware of its limitations, but anytime I've questioned this FA fanatics have been quick to put me in my place by explaining that FlightAware simply repeats data fed to the FAA. Are you saying that there are flights showing as having MD11 equipment on FlightAware that are actually operating with 777 equipment? If not, can you explain why FlightAware is faulty and unreliable to track FX 77L's?


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7127 posts, RR: 87
Reply 20, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3539 times:



Quoting FX772LRF (Reply 18):
Do these training flights carry cargo?

Non-revenue; training only.

Quoting FX772LRF (Reply 18):
how many 77L's does FX currently have?

three

Quoting FX772LRF (Reply 18):
And what does IOE mean?

Initial Operating Experience


User currently offlineCosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2254 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (4 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3372 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 20):
Non-revenue; training only.

They ARE revenue flights carrying cargo. Every time a crewmember is checked out in a new seat or jet the last phase ot trg is IOE, as FXramper explained, which means he/she is flying a real live revenue trip with a Line check Airman in the other seat. Since the 777 is new and a lot of crews have completed their ground school and sim all the flights will be conducting IOE. I know there's 3 but a 777 friend told me the other day there may be 4 now but I'm not sure. Yes CAN is a trg flt too. My buddy just returned from CAN on IOE.

I doubt if they will be making a stop in ANC, heck the MD-11 can do that. I can't imagine they'll be leaving freight behind, especially int'l priority.


User currently offlineJohnJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1642 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

Press release on the China 777 routes this morning:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/FedEx-...hances-bw-2736879690.html?x=0&.v=1


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7127 posts, RR: 87
Reply 23, posted (4 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3021 times:



Quoting JohnJ (Reply 22):
Press release on the China 777 routes this morning:

MEMPVG because current contract won't allow for MEMCAN; yet. Pays the same as MD11; go figure.  Yeah sure Not too many guys checked out on 77F yet either. I smell a draft already.  Silly


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