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OAG Changes 1/5/10: AM/B6/F9/DL/G4/UA  
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6839 posts, RR: 14
Posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5385 times:

This compares what is for sale this week for the stated period versus what was for sale the prior week...NOT the prior year.

How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airliens are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route

Please take it easy on any typos...

AM
ATL-MEX 0>1 MAY-
ORD-GDL 2/WK>0 MAR-
ORD-MLM 2/WK>0 MAR-

B6
BOS-SJC 0>1 MAY-

CO
IAH-SLP 2>1 MAY-

DL
ATL-POS 2/WK>0 JUN-
SLC-ELP 2>0 MAY-
LAX-GRU resumption delayed from Apr to May
LGA-SDF 0>1/WK APR-MAY (???)
PSP-SLC 2>3 JUN-
SLC-FAI 0>5/WK JUN- (Follows F9)

F9
DEN-DTW 2>3 MAR-
DEN-TUS 2>3 MAR-

G4
The following are deleted from SFB and added to MCO.
MCO-ABE 0>5/WK FEB-
MCO-DSM 0>2/WK MAR-
MCO-GRR 0>3/WK FEB-
MCO-GSP 0>6/WK FEB-
MCO-HTS 0>VARIES FEB-
MCO-LEX 0>4/WK FEB-
MCO-SGF 0>3/WK FEB-
MCO-TRI 0>3/WK FEB-
MCO-TYS 0>1 FEB-
MCO-YNG 0> 2/WK MAR-

LAX-MFE 2/WK>0 JAN-

UA
Most of these increases simply raise flying to the March level because they had planned a reduction in utilization after March that now appears reversed.
DEN-BHM 2>1 APR-JUN
BNA-ORD 4>5 APR-JUN
BOI-DEN 5>6 APR-JUN
CID-DEN 3>4 APR-
CID-ORD 7>6 APR-
CMH-IAD 5>4 APR-
COS-ORD 4>5 APR-
CVG-DEN 2>1 APR-JUN
CVG-IAD 1>2 APR-
DEN-ABQ 5>6 APR-JUN
DEN-DTW 2>3 APR- (WN/F9 BOTH ADDED 1)
DEN-GJT 7>8 APR-
DEN-GTF 2>3 MAY-
DEN-ICT 4>5 APR-
DEN-PHX 6>5 APR-
DEN-TUS 6>7 APR-JUN (F9 ADDED 1)
IAD-CAE 5>4 APR-
IAD-CMH 5>4 APR-
IAD-LAX 7>8 APR-
IAD-MCO 4>5 APR-
IAD-MSY 2>3 APR-
IAD-PVD 4>5 APR-
IAD-SAN 3>4 APR-
IAD-SFO 8>9 APR-
IAD-STL 4>5 APR-
LAX-OKC 1>2 APR-
LAX-ORD 10>11 APR-
ORD-BWI 6>7 APR-
ORD-GSO 4>5 APR-JUN
ORD-IAH 4>5 APR-
ORD-MHT 2>3 APR-
ORD-PDX 4>5 APR-
ORD-PHX 3>4 APR-JUN
ORD-YVR 4>3 APR-JUN
SFO-PHL 3>2 APR-JUN
SFO-PSP 2>4 APR-JUN
SFO-SLC 5>4 APR-JUN
SFO-TUS 1>2 APR-JUN

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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1664 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5246 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
LAX-OKC 1>2 APR-

This route seems to be very seasonal when it comes to frequencies. Nice to see OKC is able to sustain 2x during the summer time.



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User currently offlineSteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1564 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5070 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
LGA-SDF 0>1/WK APR-MAY (???)

These are one-off flights operated by Comair CRJ's for Kentucky Derby traffic. They are operating a single LGA-SDF-LGA trip each on Friday 04/30/10 and Sunday 05/02/10.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6839 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4995 times:



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 1):
This route seems to be very seasonal when it comes to frequencies. Nice to see OKC is able to sustain 2x during the summer time.

I agree. I wonder what causes that seasonality.

Quoting Steex (Reply 2):
These are one-off flights operated by Comair CRJ's for Kentucky Derby traffic. They are operating a single LGA-SDF-LGA trip each on Friday 04/30/10 and Sunday 05/02/10.

OK, makes sense.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3843 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4979 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 3):
OK, makes sense.

yes, in the past CO has also offered service to LGA/BOS/LAX



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User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 972 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4924 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
SLC-ELP 2>0 MAY

That's a little surprising to me.


User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2729 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4809 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 3):
I agree. I wonder what causes that seasonality.

Vacation. I know back a few years ago (when money was still good) our family would go to LAX once every summer. I know of other families/individuals that do the same.

Very good news.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6839 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4468 times:



Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 5):
That's a little surprising to me.

They reduced it a few weeks ago and now its gone. I agree it's odd. I would expect it to come back at some point. I was shocked to see DL is still flying SLC-GDL. They announced that days after F9 announced DEN-GDL, but DL remains.

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 6):
Vacation.

Yeah that's usually to Vegas or Florida. It appears California is very seasonal. Is OK just over the Disney World/Disneyland border so people go West?


User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2729 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4234 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 7):
Yeah that's usually to Vegas or Florida. It appears California is very seasonal. Is OK just over the Disney World/Disneyland border so people go West?

After a hot summer day in OKC, a nice 70 degree day on the beach in LA is pretty good. LA also has some good attractions, so it is like Orlando but much better WX in the summer.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32194 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4212 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 7):

Yeah that's usually to Vegas or Florida. It appears California is very seasonal. Is OK just over the Disney World/Disneyland border so people go West?

Disney World attracts from all over the country, since its a resort, and it offers more attractive deals to vacationers - package deals, free dining, affordable hotels on property, free transportation from MCO, etc.

Disneyland is a local's park - it has over 1M annual passholders that account for more than two-thirds of its 15M visits each year. It also doesn't have budget-friendly lodging like Disney World.

It's often cheaper to just go to Disney World, unless you are within driving distance of Disneyland. Out-of-towners to Disneyland typically tie it in with a bunch of other sightseeing, like San Diego, Hollywood, etc.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6839 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3957 times:



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 8):

After a hot summer day in OKC, a nice 70 degree day on the beach in LA is pretty good. LA also has some good attractions, so it is like Orlando but much better WX in the summer.

So in industry parlance, OKC is one of the first "Western leaning cities". I would argue that DFW and Kansas City are Eastern leaning. One of my "leaning" definitions is traffic to NY is greater than or less than LA.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Disneyland is a local's park

Actually I've noticed on DEN TV when I've overnighted that they promote Disneyland more than Disney World.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32194 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3934 times:

Quoting Enilria (Reply 10):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Disneyland is a local's park

Actually I've noticed on DEN TV when I've overnighted that they promote Disneyland more than Disney World.

That very probably is true, especially if the ads were on local television, but roughly 70% of Disneyland visitors are from California, as opposed to around 95% of Disney World visitors who are overnight guests. In the mid-1990's Disney attempted to convert Disneyland into a "destination resort," and they failed miserably. They re-focused on it becoming a local's park again by the mid-2000's.

Allegiant's LA operation isn't based on bringing people to Disneyland. No operation would survive on that; but the Allegiant model can work to bring people to Disney World fom just about anywhere in the country, given the right equipment.

If Allegiant ever gets some used 757s, then connecting some of the west markets to Orlando could be a hit; but I don't think the same could be said for connecting the east markets to LA.

[Edited 2010-01-05 20:50:41]


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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

DEN-PHX down to only 5 a day. WN has really taken this market away from UA. Didn't they used to have 8 or 10 dailys on this run?

User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3945 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3770 times:
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Quoting Quickmover (Reply 12):
DEN-PHX down to only 5 a day. WN has really taken this market away from UA. Didn't they used to have 8 or 10 dailys on this run?

No. As I remember, UA's presence in PHX has been somewhat unremarkable since it went all TED. Actually now, I was surprised to see the amount of 757s UA was utilizing into PHX. I bet their premium cabin travel has gone through the roof.


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3268 times:



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 13):
No. As I remember, UA's presence in PHX has been somewhat unremarkable since it went all TED. Actually now, I was surprised to see the amount of 757s UA was utilizing into PHX. I bet their premium cabin travel has gone through the roof.

Maybe I'm thinking about pre Ted when they had "Shuttle by United" all 737s.


User currently offlineGlobalflyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 901 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

I am so glad to see AM metal back in ATL. But isn't this something like the 3rd or 4th time they have come and gone? Wonder what the reasoning is?


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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6839 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3133 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
That very probably is true, especially if the ads were on local television, but roughly 70% of Disneyland visitors are from California, as opposed to around 95% of Disney World visitors who are overnight guests.

Agreed, but again I always thought it was odd that people in Oklahoma consider L.A. a major vacation destination. Oklahoma, traditionally, has not even had non-stop service to anywhere in Florida. I guess that's part of it.

Quoting Globalflyer (Reply 15):
I am so glad to see AM metal back in ATL. But isn't this something like the 3rd or 4th time they have come and gone? Wonder what the reasoning is?

Given their schedule quality it is probably a typo!


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3406 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2314 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
IAD-PVD 4>5 APR-

This is great news. I can't remember the last time PVD has gotten anything new or additional. I hope the flight does well and it sticks around for a while.


User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6839 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (4 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2308 times:



Quoting PVD757 (Reply 17):
This is great news. I can't remember the last time PVD has gotten anything new or additional. I hope the flight does well and it sticks around for a while.

Yes PVD has been pretty quiet since the Delta Express/Metrojet era...


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