Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6575 posts, RR: 13 Posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5131 times:
This compares what is for sale this week for the stated period versus what was for sale the prior week...NOT the prior year.
How to read:
ABE-MDT 3>2 APR means a reduction in one roundtrip from 3 to 2 for April only
ABE-MDT 3.8>2.7 APR-JUN This is the raw format of the data which sometimes I'm too lazy to retype. It means that over a month they were averaging a little less than 4 trips per day and now it's a little less than 3 per day. So, basically they cancelled 8 flights per week or so. Airliens are doing A LOT of non-daily ops now, so these fractions are pervasive.
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY- means an increase from 4 to 6 roundtrips starting in May and continuing
ABE-MDT 4>6 MAY-JUN, 5>6 JUL means the change is only for the stated period May to June and then a different change for July in the same route
Please take it easy on any typos...
ATL-MEX 0>1 MAY-
ORD-GDL 2/WK>0 MAR-
ORD-MLM 2/WK>0 MAR-
BOS-SJC 0>1 MAY-
IAH-SLP 2>1 MAY-
ATL-POS 2/WK>0 JUN-
SLC-ELP 2>0 MAY-
LAX-GRU resumption delayed from Apr to May
LGA-SDF 0>1/WK APR-MAY (???)
PSP-SLC 2>3 JUN-
SLC-FAI 0>5/WK JUN- (Follows F9)
DEN-DTW 2>3 MAR-
DEN-TUS 2>3 MAR-
The following are deleted from SFB and added to MCO.
MCO-ABE 0>5/WK FEB-
MCO-DSM 0>2/WK MAR-
MCO-GRR 0>3/WK FEB-
MCO-GSP 0>6/WK FEB-
MCO-HTS 0>VARIES FEB-
MCO-LEX 0>4/WK FEB-
MCO-SGF 0>3/WK FEB-
MCO-TRI 0>3/WK FEB-
MCO-TYS 0>1 FEB-
MCO-YNG 0> 2/WK MAR-
LAX-MFE 2/WK>0 JAN-
Most of these increases simply raise flying to the March level because they had planned a reduction in utilization after March that now appears reversed.
DEN-BHM 2>1 APR-JUN
BNA-ORD 4>5 APR-JUN
BOI-DEN 5>6 APR-JUN
CID-DEN 3>4 APR-
CID-ORD 7>6 APR-
CMH-IAD 5>4 APR-
COS-ORD 4>5 APR-
CVG-DEN 2>1 APR-JUN
CVG-IAD 1>2 APR-
DEN-ABQ 5>6 APR-JUN
DEN-DTW 2>3 APR- (WN/F9 BOTH ADDED 1)
DEN-GJT 7>8 APR-
DEN-GTF 2>3 MAY-
DEN-ICT 4>5 APR-
DEN-PHX 6>5 APR-
DEN-TUS 6>7 APR-JUN (F9 ADDED 1)
IAD-CAE 5>4 APR-
IAD-CMH 5>4 APR-
IAD-LAX 7>8 APR-
IAD-MCO 4>5 APR-
IAD-MSY 2>3 APR-
IAD-PVD 4>5 APR-
IAD-SAN 3>4 APR-
IAD-SFO 8>9 APR-
IAD-STL 4>5 APR-
LAX-OKC 1>2 APR-
LAX-ORD 10>11 APR-
ORD-BWI 6>7 APR-
ORD-GSO 4>5 APR-JUN
ORD-IAH 4>5 APR-
ORD-MHT 2>3 APR-
ORD-PDX 4>5 APR-
ORD-PHX 3>4 APR-JUN
ORD-YVR 4>3 APR-JUN
SFO-PHL 3>2 APR-JUN
SFO-PSP 2>4 APR-JUN
SFO-SLC 5>4 APR-JUN
SFO-TUS 1>2 APR-JUN
They reduced it a few weeks ago and now its gone. I agree it's odd. I would expect it to come back at some point. I was shocked to see DL is still flying SLC-GDL. They announced that days after F9 announced DEN-GDL, but DL remains.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31750 posts, RR: 73 Reply 9, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3958 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 7):
Yeah that's usually to Vegas or Florida. It appears California is very seasonal. Is OK just over the Disney World/Disneyland border so people go West?
Disney World attracts from all over the country, since its a resort, and it offers more attractive deals to vacationers - package deals, free dining, affordable hotels on property, free transportation from MCO, etc.
Disneyland is a local's park - it has over 1M annual passholders that account for more than two-thirds of its 15M visits each year. It also doesn't have budget-friendly lodging like Disney World.
It's often cheaper to just go to Disney World, unless you are within driving distance of Disneyland. Out-of-towners to Disneyland typically tie it in with a bunch of other sightseeing, like San Diego, Hollywood, etc.
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6575 posts, RR: 13 Reply 10, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3703 times:
Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 8):
After a hot summer day in OKC, a nice 70 degree day on the beach in LA is pretty good. LA also has some good attractions, so it is like Orlando but much better WX in the summer.
So in industry parlance, OKC is one of the first "Western leaning cities". I would argue that DFW and Kansas City are Eastern leaning. One of my "leaning" definitions is traffic to NY is greater than or less than LA.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31750 posts, RR: 73 Reply 11, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3680 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 10):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 9):
Disneyland is a local's park
Actually I've noticed on DEN TV when I've overnighted that they promote Disneyland more than Disney World.
That very probably is true, especially if the ads were on local television, but roughly 70% of Disneyland visitors are from California, as opposed to around 95% of Disney World visitors who are overnight guests. In the mid-1990's Disney attempted to convert Disneyland into a "destination resort," and they failed miserably. They re-focused on it becoming a local's park again by the mid-2000's.
Allegiant's LA operation isn't based on bringing people to Disneyland. No operation would survive on that; but the Allegiant model can work to bring people to Disney World fom just about anywhere in the country, given the right equipment.
If Allegiant ever gets some used 757s, then connecting some of the west markets to Orlando could be a hit; but I don't think the same could be said for connecting the east markets to LA.
LACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3876 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3516 times:
Quoting Quickmover (Reply 12): DEN-PHX down to only 5 a day. WN has really taken this market away from UA. Didn't they used to have 8 or 10 dailys on this run?
No. As I remember, UA's presence in PHX has been somewhat unremarkable since it went all TED. Actually now, I was surprised to see the amount of 757s UA was utilizing into PHX. I bet their premium cabin travel has gone through the roof.
Quickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2478 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3014 times:
Quoting LACA773 (Reply 13): No. As I remember, UA's presence in PHX has been somewhat unremarkable since it went all TED. Actually now, I was surprised to see the amount of 757s UA was utilizing into PHX. I bet their premium cabin travel has gone through the roof.
Maybe I'm thinking about pre Ted when they had "Shuttle by United" all 737s.
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6575 posts, RR: 13 Reply 16, posted (3 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2879 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11): That very probably is true, especially if the ads were on local television, but roughly 70% of Disneyland visitors are from California, as opposed to around 95% of Disney World visitors who are overnight guests.
Agreed, but again I always thought it was odd that people in Oklahoma consider L.A. a major vacation destination. Oklahoma, traditionally, has not even had non-stop service to anywhere in Florida. I guess that's part of it.
Quoting Globalflyer (Reply 15): I am so glad to see AM metal back in ATL. But isn't this something like the 3rd or 4th time they have come and gone? Wonder what the reasoning is?
Given their schedule quality it is probably a typo!