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Joan Rivers Bumped Off Flight In Costa Rica  
User currently offlineATTart From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17469 times:

Got to laugh about this!!!!

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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7710 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17465 times:

How ridiculous. Another victory for paranoid dunces all over the world.


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17463 times:

Maybe she threw a pen and hit someone in the face like she did in NY. She is a loser. Good job Costa Rica!

User currently offlineType-Rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17359 times:

That woman has a temper! I would not like to have been the one that told her the news!
I wonder who she flew back on? Did the agent not know that she is a world renowned entertainer?


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1026 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17303 times:

They probably thought she was hiding her own personal scalpel in her purse.


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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5201 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 17121 times:



Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 3):
I wonder who she flew back on? Did the agent not know that she is a world renowned entertainer?

Does that matter if a flight is oversold? We are all equal right? Famous or not. FF elites ofcourse do go first, but the others are all the same to me.


User currently offlineEgcarter From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 17006 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 5):
Does that matter if a flight is oversold? We are all equal right? Famous or not. FF elites ofcourse do go first, but the others are all the same to me.

The issue wasn't about being oversold...it was about her identity.

And yes, a world renowned person should be relatively easy to identify.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 16833 times:

That is so stupid. The whole issue with the name matching is to make sure you are who you say you are. It is 100% obvious that she is who she says she is, being an internationally known comedian and flying a USA based carrier. She obviously put both names on the ticket because some IDs have her married name and some have her professional name. This is a problem for a LOT of women, and to applaud CO/the agent in this case is really a smack in the face to women who face this problem all the time.

Not to mention that she's 76 years old and hardly a threat to the aircraft, even if she did win "the Apprentice."

I once saw her on my plane traveling with her dog. Bought her dog her own F seat next to her. She was very nice to staff, and dog didn't make a peep the whole flight.



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User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1603 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 16532 times:

I think that one will cost

Quoting KL911 (Reply 5):

Does that matter if a flight is oversold? We are all equal right? Famous or not.

Shouldn''t passengers paying a first class fare have priority? (I assuming she paid first class, but I think it is a safe assumption)

Also, being a celebrity brings unwanted attention to CO, so I certain that CO views her has a special passenger (both for the premium revenue and the notoriety - do you want to be the carrier that flew Joan Rivers or the carrier that denied her boarding?)

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
That is so stupid. The whole issue with the name matching is to make sure you are who you say you are. It is 100% obvious that she is who she says she is, being an internationally known comedian and flying a USA based carrier. She obviously put both names on the ticket because some IDs have her married name and some have her professional name.

I agree. Even if this particular in Costa Rica didn't know who Joan Rivers was, I'm sure a simply phone call could have cleared it up quickly.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25409 posts, RR: 86
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 16498 times:
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Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 8):
Also, being a celebrity brings unwanted attention to CO, so I certain that CO views her has a special passenger (both for the premium revenue and the notoriety - do you want to be the carrier that flew Joan Rivers or the carrier that denied her boarding?)

So I wonder which airline did allow her to board the next morning.

A different airline? Or still Continental but a different agent?

mariner



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User currently offlineTraindoc From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16330 times:

Most likely due to the new TSA requirements. CO could be fined for letting her on the plane without positive ID.

My wife had the same problem in ATL a few years ago. She uses her original name (not married name) on tickets, but her passport shows her last name which is hyphenated with my last name. The gate agent denied us boarding (in BusinessElite to Europe) because of that.
I was going to go to a service desk for help, but at the last minute he changed his mind.

Incidentally, we are going to SJO next week. Glad to know about this so we can be prepared.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19927 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16169 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
That is so stupid. The whole issue with the name matching is to make sure you are who you say you are. It is 100% obvious that she is who she says she is, being an internationally known comedian and flying a USA based carrier. She obviously put both names on the ticket because some IDs have her married name and some have her professional name. This is a problem for a LOT of women, and to applaud CO/the agent in this case is really a smack in the face to women who face this problem all the time.

I agree. And in this situation, I'd say that this qualifies as unjustified denial of boarding. CO owes her some serious butt-kissing. Celebrities like her have a big voice and they can definitely sway public opinion for an airline.

What I want to know is why Joan Rivers only had $100 in cash and no credit/ATM card. Come on, Joan, you're old and rich enough to know better than that!


User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2130 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16162 times:



Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 3):
Did the agent not know that she is a world renowned entertainer?

She might be a pop culture icon in the U.S. but not necessarily a celebrity in other countries.

Quoting Egcarter (Reply 6):
And yes, a world renowned person should be relatively easy to identify

People with an attitude tend to be cold-shouldered down here, no matter who they are or think they are.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16161 times:



Quoting Traindoc (Reply 10):
Incidentally, we are going to SJO next week. Glad to know about this so we can be prepared.

I have in my Costa Rican ID card (and my long expired Costa Rican passport from 1987) two surnames (the first one being my father's surname, and the second is my mother's, like throughout most of Latin America), and to make matters worse, the idiot who wrote my birth certificate wrote my first surname right, and so it appears with a double S. On my brandnew German passport, I only use one surname (and because of problems in my birth certificate, it delayed my being issued the passport in the first place), the surname of my father, and in my passport that surname is written correctly, with only one S.

Given that I'm only travelling on my German passport, and that my reservation was made with my name as it appears in my German passport, I constantly fear that immigration could give me trouble when they see I'm born in Costa Rica and yet don't use a Costa Rican passport (besides, it would now be too late to get a new one anyway), and if I do show them my ID, they'll start asking questions over the typo in my Costa Rican papers, which I never got to fix because the national citizen's registry at the Electoral Authorities doesn't even have information on how to perform a proper name change to fix it.

This news, while funny because it involves Joan Rivers and she got a lesson in humility for once, does make me a bit more nervous about passport control (even if there's no real exit control in SJO). Also, even though this involves a gate agent refusing entry, don't mess with Costa Rican immigration either, because they CAN treat you like a criminal if you even forget the slightest thing (like the time 16 years ago when they detained my mother, a citizen herself, for allegedly not paying the exit tax).


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 16026 times:



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 12):
She might be a pop culture icon in the U.S. but not necessarily a celebrity in other countries.

Is she really even a "pop culture icon" in the US?

My first thought when I saw this thread was "Didn't she die like 10 years ago?" -- If you just told me the name there's very little chance my mental "Oh, that's a celeberety flag" would pop and I couldn't tell you what she looked like -- even in the vaugest of terms (tall/short, hair color, skin color, skinny/fat).

In fact, as soon as I post this I have to go over to Wikipedia to figure out what elevates her to "celeberty" status -- I think she sold some crap on one of the shopping channels a few years back or something, but I don't get why that would make her any more worth knowing than anyone else.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25409 posts, RR: 86
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 15969 times:
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Quoting Lincoln (Reply 14):
Is she really even a "pop culture icon" in the US?

Does it matter?

She is a US citizen with a valid US passport and she was denied the opportunity to fly back to the US.

If it can happen to her it can happen to anyone - and may be happening to others:

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/05/joan-rivers-airport/

...."but the New York Daily News notes that many New York-area travelers are reporting similar horror stories"

I think she should have gone straight to the US Embassy or nearest Consulate.

mariner



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User currently offlinePlaneAdmirer From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 15938 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 15):
If it can happen to her it can happen to anyone - and may be happening to others:

It's a little worse than that. Look what happened to Michael Yon at Sea-Tac. He was handcuffed for not answering who he works for and how much money he makes:

http://biggovernment.com/2010/01/05/...etained-by-tsa-in-seattle-airport/

This is absurd on so many levels.


User currently offlineMASTYC From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15798 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
What I want to know is why Joan Rivers only had $100 in cash and no credit/ATM card. Come on, Joan, you're old and rich enough to know better than that!

Ummm...She was in Costa Rica. She probably spent all her cash on some "work". I think that's the funniest part of the story. No wonder they couldn't identify her.


User currently offlineLAXtoATL From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1603 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15753 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 15):

I think she should have gone straight to the US Embassy or nearest Consulate.

You can bet she will extract her pound of flesh for this. She was probably in shock initially and just wanted to get home. If CO does not immediately appease her, which I am guessing they already have, she can at any time hold stage in front of thousands (even millions depending her venue of choice) and bad mouth her experience with CO and Costa Rica (exaggerating I am sure). Because of her unique access to broad media am certain she will be coddled dearly by those she feels slightly by.


User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15712 times:

While I understand this may be an issue for women, surely you put whatever name is on your ID on your ticket? Madonna wouldn't just put her first name on the ticket, but Madonna Ciccone/Richie or whatever it is in her passport. While I think Joan is amusing, it's entirely her fault.


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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4545 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15684 times:



Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 8):
Even if this particular in Costa Rica didn't know who Joan Rivers was

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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
The whole issue with the name matching is to make sure you are who you say you are. It is 100% obvious that she is who she says she is, being an internationally known comedian and flying a USA based carrier. She obviously put both names on the ticket because some IDs have her married name and some have her professional name.

These works are being developed by locals and Joan Rivers is not very known in Costa Rica.
Due to recent events, the safety procedures are being improved and her identity did generate confusion and doubts for the gate agent. That's all.


Regards.



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User currently offlineClemsonaj From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15500 times:



Quoting MASTYC (Reply 17):
Ummm...She was in Costa Rica. She probably spent all her cash on some "work". I think that's the funniest part of the story. No wonder they couldn't identify her.

You might have just hit the nail on the head there.


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2889 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14768 times:

This is so absurd its crazy.

Surly with photo id such as a valid US passport and both names listed, you don't have to be a genesis to work out who she is !!



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14638 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 11):
Celebrities like her have a big voice and they can definitely sway public opinion for an airline.

This has to be the funniest thing you have posted. Nobody cares what Joan Rivers has to say. Once your are on "Celebrity Apprentice" your pretty much irrevelant. CO won't have to do anything. They are one of the best airlines in the world and probably the best in the US that won't be derailed by some plastic surgery nightmare shoving microphones in real celebs faces.


User currently offlineHotelDJRomeo From Canada, joined Dec 2009, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14553 times:

It really is kind of scary.

With all the technology, passports that get swiped, multiple secure IDs, etc etc....

If we can't tell that Joan Rivers is Joan Rivers, how the hell are we going to identify people who are trying to hide their identity?



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25 Seafleet : Quote HotelIDRomeo It really is kind of scary. With all the technology, passports that get swiped, multiple secure IDs, etc etc.... If we can't tell t
26 Jetjeanes : Yes joan is older, but haveing met her, i can not think of a more foul mouthed person especially considering her age. Ive been around the block a few
27 Pellegrine : When it comes down to it: The gate agent was an imbecile, untrained, or very inexperienced. AKA in a passport is not exactly rare. Whenever someone is
28 NorthstarBoy : I'm sure someone will be fired over this, and not someone at CO. Having done travel for celebrities before, these people never travel alone. Typically
29 RussianJet : Just by the by - do you expect every single agent, immigration officer, security officer, etc, to be personally aware of every single claimed celebri
30 Peergynt : Ok. I have mixed feelings about this. I don't know this woman. Never heard of and I doubt that anyone living outside of the US knows her. With that sa
31 Jimbobjoe : I'm Costa Rican (born in Costa Rica) and never had issues travelling on my US passport. Neither has anyone else in my family who has US citizenship.
32 EZEIZA : Right, cause terrorists tend to show multiple id's with different names ... I've said it in other threads: Paranoia!
33 Airport : No matter what your opinion is of her, she is a US citizen, as some have stated already, and evidence points to that she was wrongfully denied boardin
34 Peergynt : "What I do care about is when a US CITIZEN is wrongfully denied boarding rights. If it could happen to her, it could happen to anyone, and it probably
35 CODC10 : Joan Rivers does a lot of flying with Continental, usually in paid F. I've seen her before at EWR, and am 100% certain that she travels as Joan Rivers
36 MD80fanatic : Most celebrities have assumed names, WTH? And as always, I am completely shocked at how some posters applaud ridiculous actions taken by security. Wha
37 ExFATboy : Well, if she can't come back we'd be rid of her, and that's a good thing, no? In all seriousness, this is taking security theatre to the level of the
38 Gatechae : I totally agree with you on this and to add I'd say that a majority of married women in the United States change their surname when they get married,
39 ATTart : Since I have to sit here while we wait for our plane to be towed to us. Let's check a-net I too have worked with many Celebrities. I use to work as a
40 2travel2know : This incident just put Costa Rica in the news, all thanks to Joan Rivers. All that free advertising Costa Rica got is incredible. Bottom-line, people
41 DAL763ER : How come I've never heard of her if she's SO international? I'm 18 and had no idea who the thread was about when I read the title. Maybe the agent ju
42 LAXtoATL : It's not good if people are afraid they won't be allowed to leave.
43 Slider : Even with all that plastic surgery? YIKES I could make another crack about plastic surgery, but it’s too easy, haha… This is much ado about nothi
44 Mariner : And she followed the rules. She had a ticket and a valid US passport and was there on time. What other rules should she have followed? mariner
45 MasseyBrown : According to other reports, the name on her passport (Joan Rosenberg) did not match the name on her ticket (Joseph Rosenberg).
46 Airport : Did you even read the article? Did you even read any of this thread or the replies? It's nice to see members totally jumping to conclusions and makin
47 Mariner : She had a ticket in the name of Joseph Rosenberg? How did she ever leave the US? What was the TSA doing? mariner
48 LTU932 : When the hell did Joan Rivers become an A-List Celebrity? Hopefully it will apply for me as well. Immigration can be tricky at times.
49 71Zulu : That was the point she made on Larry King last night. She said realized when she got to the airport that the ticket had the first name of Joseph, but
50 Caribb : Well we know her in Canada but I'm not sure people outside North America or let's say outside the English speaking world would. I even doubt my Frenc
51 DashTrash : Maybe she ought to buy a NetJets share.
52 Viaggiare : You are supposed to enter/exit the country with your CR passport, and identify yourself as a Costa Rican citizen with your valid cédula de identidad
53 Slider : Obviously you didn't. Her name didn't match. Got it? Her identity was not corroborated with the ticket she purchased...got it? Identification has to
54 Type-Rated : We are all concentrating on her effort to leave Costa Rica. But somehow she arrived in the country without incident. So why is it such a problem for h
55 LTU932 : Then why did you tell me a few years ago that it's OK if I enter Costa Rica with my German passport and only show them my Costa Rican ID card if requ
56 Mariner : It was accepted at check-in the US. It was accepted by the TSA at whichever US airport she departed from. She says it was accepted at check-in and se
57 LTU932 : Just to make it clear to everybody else: It was the agent at the gate in SJO who refused her entry.
58 EDICHC : Joan Rivers is hardly WORLD renowned. In fact outside the english speaking part of the world she is probably unknown. Too many so-called celebrities
59 Viaggiare : Because no Costa Rican citizen can be denied entry into the country. No se podrá exigir a los costarricenses requisitos que impidan su ingreso al pa
60 Solair : I am changing the names in this to protect the person's identity, but a friend of mine had this happen to her at JFK. She's an Irish Citizen, but had
61 FrmrCAPCADET : TSA has made the assumption a person has only one name. It has never been true, and it probably never will be true. A married woman can go by any one
62 Bahadir : Damn!!! We were so close to getting rid of her Seriously, if she is that rich and famous , she should have chartered a plane .. Coming on TV and claim
63 HotelDJRomeo : My point wasn't that anyone should be able to recognize who Joan Rivers is. I should have been more clear about that. My point is that security could
64 ETinCaribe : What a waste of perfectly good minutes on a meaningless 'celebrity' Joan was on Larry King last night and was she livid. She ripped the female agent w
65 EDICHC : Name on ticket did not match the name on passport = no case of wrongful denial of boarding. Quite clear evidence actually. Citizenship is irrelevant,
66 Mariner : So please explain how she got to Costa Rica, flying Continental, in the first place. mariner
67 Robbie86 : I liked her comment... "I wouldn't but a bomb in a Chanel bag!"
68 Jimbobjoe : Ehh...crap. That makes things a bit more complex. I've never been more than a tourist in Costa Rica, and my last time there was in the late 90s. It w
69 Type-Rated : That's the point I was trying to make in reply 54.
70 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : The attached press release in Spanish taken from a Costa Rica newspaper states how the local authorities have increased their safety procedures due to
71 LTU932 : That is what I mean with contradictory information. One says yes, even as a Costa Rican citizen I can leave with my foreign passport, the other says
72 FJB : Why didn't she just fly out of Costa Rica on her broom?
73 757luver : I totally agree with you. If this would have been your average joe and would have been allowed to board without proper id it would be all over the ne
74 Post contains links Viaggiare : Sometimes regulations —particularly those involving diplomatically sensitive matters— can be purposefully vague. To illustrate my point, here's w
75 Pellegrine : If her boarding pass didn't match ANY of the names in her passport, then I would retract my comments about the gate agent. The initial story didn't in
76 Jimbobjoe : A lot of that is because there simply isn't any law. There isn't any law in the US regarding dual-citizenship, so there's not much to say about it. B
77 LTU932 : Germany's Citizenship Act doesn't really allow, or at least encourage dual citizenship. Most of the time, you'd have to surrender your previous citiz
78 EZEIZA : In Argentina's case, if I'm not mistaken, it depends on the other country. There is dual cirizenship for countries such as Italy and Spain, but I'm n
79 LTU932 : I'm sure that, given the cultural links, Argentina may also allow dual Argentinian-German citizenship.
80 EDICHC : Good point, but that is a question for CO not me. IMHO she should not have been permitted to board outbound provided of course she was not travelling
81 Jbernie : You would be surprised at how many time I have seen her on Graham Norton via BBC America, she was just on for the new years eve show, and Graham's sh
82 Mariner : Legally, her name is Rosenberg. She can be Mrs. Joseph Rosenberg or Mrs. Joan Rosenberg, or, as her passport also showed, Joan Rivers. It is also a q
83 EDICHC : Therefore she should be travelling with a ticket named Joan Rivers. Rules for most carriers state name on ticket must match the name on the passport
84 Kaiarahi : Care to elaborate on how it is "all but encouraged". Anyone who travels with a ticket and passport in different names is asking for trouble.
85 Mariner : But Rosenberg is in the passport. mariner
86 GayStudPilot : But... her passport also states: "THE BEARER IS ALSO KNOWN AS JOAN RIVERS." So, both names are on her passport.
87 Mariner : That's right. And as discussed in post #56, many, many woman travel in their husband's name. Jackie Kennedy Onassis had several legal names - Mrs. Jo
88 LAXtoATL : I would have to agree with you. Especially considering that even after the agent in question made the discovery, she was still permitted to leave the
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